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>>218022027nigga u gay
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>>218021987Wesley Crusher, Tom Paris, Harry Kim, Icheb and Q Jr are relentlessly handsome.
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What's up with the Klingon foot horn thing?
>>218022260If I pull your shoe off will you die?>It would be extremely painful
>>218022096Can I say something…
>>218021994thread cursed
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>>218022298Worf got his removed.
There's a rhythm to /trek/, a cadence, and when it is disrupted, the mental stress on anons is greatly exacerbated.
>>218022260It's an iguanodon thing
>>218022102Kira, I loved her, I loved her, DAMNIT!
>>218022357
Sure, it looks like fun to be Riker in OPs pic, but just remember you have to spend like 6 days a week with fucking ACTRESSES, the absolute worst form of woman ever conceived. Just look at what a pussy Frakes turned into due to years of contact with these harpies. Let him cop a feel, for tonight he dines in hell.
>>218022071star trek neelix feet
>>218022096I wonder if we would have still had this "You just hate smart women!" discourse if 1987 if Wesley was cast as Dr. Crusher's daughter instead.
>>218021987It was a fi if a saw ti
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>>218022531star trek neelix feetthe footfags say it's neatit makes me feel elitestar trek neelix feetstar trek neelix feetit's why I beat my meat it makes me go skeet skeet star trek neelix feetstar trek neelix feetmy orgasm's completemy climax is quite fleetstar trek neelix feet
>>218022677Why did they ever allow him near an intoxicant?? Don't they remember the last time he was drunk?
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>>218022747Data cannot "get drunk".
>>218022651you're dismissed
That Borg who called Data obsolete was objectively wrong.
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>>218022817Are we contrarian enough to start calling the Borg based?
>>218022847Data basically has superpowers.
>>218022882It depends to be honest. A true collective that operates on a principle of complete openness and transparency of all data/information, would in fact statistically make the best decisions. Similar to how a democracy is the best form of government if there is a truly informed and educated electorate.However any imbalance in the flow of information and data will rapidly lead to whatever the transhuman equivalent of demagoguery will be and will reinforce a hierarchical system (say, under a queen) which devotes significant resources to propagating its own power structure. So, in theory, the Borg can be based if they use a quorum-based peer to peer information sharing system where all data is considered by all nodes before voting on course of action using a ranked choice system.Under all other circumstances, Borg are authoritarian commie scum
>watching Enterprise for the first time>in the pilot T'Pol and Trip start rubbing each other's half naked bodies with some sort of decontamination gel after getting back from Rigel 10>He literally rubs against her ass crack at one pointwhat is the point of that scene exactly? Is it because of how sexy Seven of Nine was they felt they had to introduce SEX SEX SEX into the new show too?
>>218023025They're basically just computers.
>>218023035The ENT writers knew that fans have needs.
How is it that Rom went from a vicious snake-like retard trying to kill his brother to a stammering genius with a heart of gold who brings about the communist revolution and leads the free ferengi world?
>>218023035>was they felt they had to introduce SEX SEX SEX into the new show too?TV was becoming highly sexualized around that time, all culminating in the TITS N' DRAGONS hour in 2011.
>>218023035Yes, people will cope but it was pure desperation from Berman and co at the time. Berman liked fake titty bimbos as evidenced by the "hot extras" he would use for things like the Q girls, Dabo girls, etc, so he thought getting some bimbo with collagen lips and fake tits would = ratings.He was wrong.
>>218023088>vicious snake-like retard trying to kill his brother>communistI don't see the problem
>>218023025Good point plus the borg queen is gay as hell. I think a better integration was done by Halo with the flood/the hivemind. Maybe if Star Trek ever gets rebooted they can start from scratch and add more lore to the Borg and how they calculate decision-making
>>218023098I am not a gay but I feel like as someone who's had the internet at his fingertips all his life, gratuitous licentiousness is a bit off-putting desu.
>>218023053>They're basically just computers.They're computers that are networked but each node has been trained on a data set that is an individual personality and lived experience. Therefore each node has biases – e.g., and this is only broadly speaking, a Klingon might choose conflict over diplomacy in any given scenario, or a Tellarite would be more likely to appeal/argue an existing path of action – and thus you need the Law of Large Numbers to apply across all nodes which have been homogenously exposed to all information essentially simultaneously. With transwarp data transmission and effectively magic processing power this might be possible. In the real world it wouldn't because the central core cluster of nodes could act faster than those on the outskirts of the Borg polity; or conversely, something that happens on the frontier might not make it to the rest of the Collective before the emergent event is OBE. So with real world physics, the Borg can only work to the degree that light speed transmission lag isn't faster than compute lag, AND when the system is developed with truly egalitarian information sharing.
>>218023035Enterprise in extremely "horny" and filled with Fan Service for about 2 seasons.The reason is because 7 of 9 got insanely popular so they wanted to up the sex appeal. It was also a UPN show, aka Proto-CW.
>>218023142We still don't know how the Borg started.Who's Species Designation 001?
>>218023174Go on.
>>218023147There's a fine line with sexy stuff in Star Trek.In TOS, it's part of the setting and is as natural as any other part of the background. But you can't have all of the trappings of Berman Trek and then have gratuitous decon chamber stuff on top of it or it feels jarring. TNG did a good job in those early seasons as well of making the skimpiness feel like a part of the universe as a whole.It would be far less jarring if the Mirror Universe Starfleet uniforms were standard instead of the like, formless astronaut coveralls that everyone is wearing.It seemed out of place to me.
>>218023201wat
>>218023209I saw Encoutner at Farpoint earlier today and Troi's skirt is literally 1 inch below her hips lmao
>>218023172She certainly had enduring popularity.
>>218023109He went from a capitalist retard to a commie retard
>>218023283As with 9/11, another monkey's paw prediction brought to you by the gift of apollo
Power rankings as of DS9:Romulan Star EmpireUnited Federation of PlanetsEveryone else
>>218023209It's because its blatant pandering and it's a whole "mechanic" in the show. It's not a random one off of women kissing. It's not a single scene of the female cast in spandex stretching. It is something that shows up in a lot of episodes and feels like an excuse to have the cast in their underwear. Atleast there is some kind of excuse, unlike Academy where there are just random footshots all over the place.
>>21802336760 year old feet to boot
>>218023174Interesting questions, but remember not everything has to be outright answered and explained. Sometimes it’s good to let mysteries remain mysteries, or introduce even more interesting things. Maybe the borg don’t even know who patient zero is, but there are clues for starfleet to go search for…
>>218023263God Bless St. Roddenberry
>>218023088Wasn’t rom trying to kill quark because of how quark treated him? And then they addressed those issues?
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>>218023439He was trying to kill Quark so that he could get his bar. Rom was a completely different character at first. Many such cases in DS9.
>>218023439Quark didn't address shit.
>>218023367>unlike Academy where there are just random footshots all over the place.We need a complete and total ban of footfags in the director's set until we can figure out what the hell is going on!
At this point what would it take to fix Star Trek? Is it even possible?
>>218023488My answer would probably get me arrested so my lawyers advise I don't speak my mind on this issue
>>218023488Star Trek is fine, they stopped making it 20 years ago
>>218023488They'd have to go the knight of the seven kingdoms route.
>>218023488In any creative venture, it's all about the team. Any new team could be better than this, and yes, possibly EVEN WORSE.
>>218023521>the knight of the seven kingdoms routeComputer, elaborate
>>218022260made to explain why their boots have the claw on them, even though we know it's part of the boot and not their biologyartist was silly
>>218023147>licentiousness
>>218023543Anons are giving it big ups. Might be a franchise saver.
>>218023488All sci-fi is kinda fucked until they let autstic white men back into creative positions. Until then every show and movie is just going to be a therapy session disguised as a piece of entertainment.
>>218023488Stop making everything gay and lameThat's all it would takeBut this is an impossible task in 2026
>>218023488Has Gary or Drinker spoken on this?
>>218023579I've posted this before and someone pointed out that Star Wars now has this with dave filoni. I think that's only a part of the solution. Really you need some sort of wozniak-steve jobs duo. One who is autistic and has crazy good ideas a la Dan Aykroyd, and some sort of tard wrangler to make sure things don't get too out of hand
>>218023521That’s the mandalorian route. Smaller low stakes self-contained stories. Oh wait that’s actually Star Trek.
>>218023228nothingburger posts like "Go on." and "That's enough." are automated bot posts, I swear to god
Star Trek needs someone who is just gonna gatekeep the fuck out of it like Rick Berman did
>>218023263only when she's sitting
>>218023543I actually bothered to ask ComputerGPT about it.The whole thing is a bit long but it basically boils down to>hire people who actually like philosophical sci-fi instead of niggers who want to chase drama moneylmao
>>218023696she should always be sitting on my face
>>218023628You know Drinker always waits for a consensus to form before agreeing with in in his videos. If his fans like something, he praises it. If his fans dislike the thing, he calls it woke garbage.
>>218023339She's aged well.
>>218023669They're manuals
>>218023675Kind of, Berman shouldn't have had as much control as he did. He did a mostly-okay job. But it could have been way better.And yes it goes without saying that even at his worst he was lightyears better than the shit we are being awarded now
>>218023638love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe
I want to fuck both draxI want a holodeck program where they eat each other's pussies
>>218023488>At this point what would it take to fix Star Trek?Arbeit macht frei
>>218023773Die
Are private holodeck programs legally protected?
>>218023773>drax>pussiesgo surf on a train, poojeet
>>218023773>I want to fuck both draxThat's Babylon 5
>>218023796In what sense? Like copyright protected? Probably.Protected from privacy? Fuck no
>>218023669Yes, and?
>>218023773jadzia looks like a man
>>218023798I'll get her to shit out the symbiote and then just fuck the symbiote
>>218023831/trek/ is supposed to be an organic thread where anons contribute and engage in real dialogue.
>>218023796They have as much rights as (lower case d) data.
>>218023869Elaborate.
>>218023508Maybe you could tell how you would do it . . . in Minecraft.
Reading comprehension at 4%!
>>218023174I prefer the Star Trek Legacy idea that it's an offshoot of the V'Ger probe.
I have the latest episode of Academy downloaded but I don't know if I have the strength.
Who do (You) have a holoprogram of? Pic related. I made this one so I can hang out with my gay Chinese best friend whenever I want.
>>218024002You, of course! We have so much fun together.
>>218024002I have a /trek/ program that's just rituals on repeat.
>>218024002Aragorn so I can ask him about his tax policies. He told me that there are no taxes and then asked me why he the largest landholder in his kingdom would even need taxes in the first place. I'm trying to come up with an answer for him to give during our next holo sesh.
It could be anyone...
>>218023995No one is blaming you if you can't do it kek even libfags like angryjoe and redditors are claiming they don't intend to do a full watch through
>>218023869Please expound.
Thoughts on Mike and Rich doing a DS9 series?
>>218023053>>218023025I think that the Borg are best summed up by the alt-Riker when he said "the Borg IS everywhere". The Collective is not many minds forcefully pushed together, nor is it a hierarchy of slaved bodies. The Collective is a rapid, transcending gestalt. That is to say, when one is assimilated their mind becomes the Collective. All the assimilated knowledge of the Collective instantly is available to them. Their mind engorges to the size of a galaxy, and their body swells to become the sum of every single Borg nanoprobe and sphere and Cube and transwarp conduit, and every single Drone. And somewhere in all that vast mind and body, is what was once their ONLY body, completely forgotten, in the same way that you do not control your individual cells.That's why the idea introduced in later TNG that "individuality" destroys the Borg from within is complete bullshit. Individuality is irrelevant to the Borg, not because it is suppressed, but because the Collective is BEYOND individuality. Every particle of the Borg infrastructure IS the Collective. Hence why Drones can go inert and become seamlessly part of their Cube, as per Q Who, in order to regenerate it, and why Borg simply read as Borg on scans.>>218022817The statement is absolutely correct if one considers that the ultimate "root directive" of the Borg is to erase all distinction of mechanical and biological. Locutus did not say WHAT was obsolete about Data, simply that he had no place in the coming order(of life).
>>218024278They need to finish TNG + the movies before getting into DS9. I do love their comfy retrospectives but I hate how much they jump around.
>>218024002>whoSigns of small mind. The ideal holoprogram would be an immersive simulation of a cosmic event with safeties on, so you could be in the center of a star as it goes supernova or fly through a massive storm like the Great Red SpotYour imagination is lacking and you are defective.
>>218022792Fuck you, Im dismissed when Im good and fucking ready to be dismissed
>>218024322I doubt they'll go back for more TNG just because they basically already went over the top 20 between the both of them. I feel like there's potential for them do the movies though, even though they hate them.
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>>218023488Retcon literally everything released after 2005Hire the Oroville guys
>>218024308>Every particle of the Borg infrastructure IS the Collective. Hence why Drones can go inert and become seamlessly part of their Cube, as per Q Who, in order to regenerate it, and why Borg simply read as Borg on scans.These things... are not mutually inclusive, or exclusive. I don't even think it's accurate.
>>218022747Data was fully functional by design. Data was, among other things, a dildo
>>218024451There’s enough content for them to do season reviews of every season of TNG+ DS9. That’s 14 seasons cut into 28 videos. 32 videos with the TNG movies. You know they have enough autistic nitpicks for hourlong videos On each season.
>>218024514If you watch the scene from Q Who where the Away Team is on the Cube, Riker explicitly says that the Borg have stopped reading as individual beings, because they have so completely interfaced with the ship. And Data states that a certain part of the physical Cube is being repaired by the Borg. Therefore, the physical infrastructure of the Cube and the Borg drones themselves, along with all their organic and inorganic systems ARE simply one Borg.It's also partly why, I suspect, quite a few Borg drones in Q Who are seen to not have "useful" eyes, since they have issue "blindly" navigating the Cube, as the Cube is them and they are the Cube. The Collective is all one single "borganism", which sub-components being like tissues and organs and organelles in a body.
>>218024462Yes but will you sing your greatest hits?>WHEN I WAS>A YOUNG BOY >I WENT TO>THE SURGEON >TO HAVE A NEW SLIT MADE>HE SAID >ILL TRY>MY HARDEST>BUT DON'T HOPE >FOR THE BEST>IT LOOKS LIKE A CONCH'S BEEN FLAYED
>>218024595*have no issueIncidentally, I would also like to add that the idea the Borg cannot assimilate Data into the Collective is stupid. They can easily subvert and coopt Federation computer systems, and synthetic life forms would be no different I think.
>>218024595...or their tools simply cannot make the distinction yet because they haven't encountered anything like the borg before. you can literally see the borg in their little cubbies, and if you vaporized one with a phaser, you wouldn't be vaporizing all the borg, just an individual
>>218024278Are they brave enough to ever re-watch ENT and serious discuss it? I think not, and I won’t care until they do
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>>218024595So what you’re saying is that if I have sex with a Borg they all feel it?
>>218024722They won’t bother with ENT because it holds no nostalgic value for them.
>>218024680No, Riker explicitly says that the scanners couldn't even detect individual lifeforms at ALL, after they had attacked the Cube. Because before, they knew there were beings around the Cube. Then, during regeneration, they couldn't detect anything but the Cube. The Drones had integrated with the "organ" of the Cube that perfectly.And further, yes, you're correct if you destroy one Drone you do not destroy the Borg. But likewise, if you destroy one cell in the body, the body will not die. Yet, the cell IS the body, and the body is the cells. Your point illustrates exactly why the Borg find individuality to be irrelevant. To the Collective, we are essentially the nomadic bacterium that eventually became our mitochondria. We become drones, in the same way the mitochondria became parts of our cells. It's not a perfect 1:1 analogy, but in that specific way, it serves to illustrate. This got fouled up in BoBW, and I will forever rue that two-parter for that alone, since it set up the possibility of the Queen and of Hugh.
>>218024766Also it's kind of garbage and led directly to JJ trek.
>>218024754>So what you’re saying is that if I have sex with a Borg they all feel it?And when you never call back they'll feel it too.
i don't trust what Mike has to say about DS9 after he got such an easy trivia question wrong
>>218024754Remember what Q said, "not a he, not a she". Borg drones don't have any gender at all anymore. They are rewritten down to the deepest level, that's how far the violation penetrates. I suspect you don't have chromosomes, as a Borg, you have "borgosomes".Thats my issue with Seven of Nine, even if I do like her. Being de-assimilated after that long as a drone should have been an entire season's worth of painstaking recovery at the bleeding edge of Federation medical science.
>>218024828She had a lot of humanity stored in her chest region, the Borg can’t subvert that no matter how hard they might try
>>218024872THAT is very true. Only the finest chesticulatory perfection.
>>218024774>No, Riker explicitly says that the scanners couldn't even detect individual lifeforms at ALL>...or their tools simply cannot make the distinction yet because they haven't encountered anything like the borg before
>>218024723Kek Ive read that posting in /co/ :3
>>218024828We find out in Unimatrix Zero that she has a strong subconscious retention of her individuality and this feeds into her quick recovery. Certainly quicker than the dudes in Descent and anyone mentioned in (ugh) PIC. Seven is exceptional, the Doylist reason being we need her to be for plot purposes and the Watsonian reason being her retained humanity as expressed in her being Annika in U0.
>>218024909The point you're making is sort of moot. The fact that the Drones and the Cube simply read as one proves my point. Data then says that the Borg is using its group-thought to physically repair the ship. Data also earlier says that, when slotted into the alcoves, each drone "no longer reads as SEPERATE life forms".In other words, the Borg drones and the physical Cube are not actually truly different, but are both Borg, and the Borg is them.
Anyone else becoming more and more sexually attracted to Janeway over time? I always thought she was fine, but the more I rewatch Voyager, the more I find her tantalizing. Every moan, grunt, and eyebrow raise has got me like diamonds now. She's quickly making a run at Kira for the #1 spot for me.All I can say is that Chakotay was a lucky man
>>218024939Unimatrix Zero was only added after the Queen was re-introduced(sadly). But my point isn't that the individual is obliterated. That is not the objective of the Borg. Its that the individual body is forgotten, because it simply ends up as a cell in the Collective. When one is de-assimilated, they are shrunk back down from the size of a galaxy, into a single tiny body, which was still "theirs" as the Collective, but now is their ONLY body again. Hence why Seven said she felt "small". My overarching point is really that the Borg were at their peak, conceptually, in Q Who, and for every good bit added in later appearances, 2 bad bits were added. I don't mindlessly hate everything Voyager did with the Borg, I just think it was part of the trend of bad decisions that conceptually diluted and reduced the Borg to a zombie bug-hive.
>>218025082I've always been sexually attracted to her. But I will never fap to her, that is just disrespectful. Whats really freaking me out on my 40th or so voyager rewatch is becoming sexually attracted to neelix...........
>>218025082I was more attracted to Janeway than Seven of Nine who was obvious horny bait.
>>218024525that's because he and Lore were made to fuck Dr. Soong in the ass
>>218025082I want Mommy Janeway to step on my cock and balls and call me mean things
>Congratulations, you are now dilated to 10 centimeters. You may now give birth.Kek I love the moments when worf is so matter-of-fact
Kinda fucked Janeway just straight up kills her entire crew to solve a paradox. There were like 10 viidians aboard and a thousand different ways they could turn the tables
there was a "the crew hallucinates/manifests what they're thinking about" episode in TOS, TNG, DS9 and voyagerFOUR such episodes
>>218025578There’s got to be more than that. It happens at least as often as being mindraped by energy
>>218025578controlled release of real powers
>>218025578It's called the writers have a little fun. Same with every series having some shitass mirror universe episode
TNG Shades of Gray, 99% of it is just fucking flashbacks. Real good stuff guys, wow
They should’ve come back to the ex-Borg co-op in Voyager and they’re literally just Borg again, demonstrating anarcho-communism’s eventual slide into authoritarianism
Wow this new Starfleet Academy™ show is so witty and funny, said absolutely no one ever
>>218025691I think that would've been interesting. Not for the political reason, but simply to show that the Borg is ultimately NOT a faction, and arises from the fundamental nature of itself and from a certain architecture of consciousness. Like a fractal, when a small Collective arises, it inevitably comes to behave exactly like the main Collective, until the two are no different. And become one Collective again.What would've been very cool is if that Collective was actually coming unglued, due to its small size, between the still-conflicting individualism and the arising "borgism" within it. Terminating in a huge, dramatic collapse of the nascent Collective. But leaving the audience with the horror of the idea that the Borg can arise just about anywhere at any time, from even beneficent motives, as long as a certain technology and mentality is present.
>>218025769tl,;dr
The Borg should have been the UFP from the 34th century traveling back into time
>>218025807When be like Borg, become Borg, even if not want be Borg.
>>218025826I disagree. The Borg should not have an explained origin, or even an established extent or limits.
>>218025418The absolute terror on Dorn’s face sells it too. He has never been that afraid before or since, even during mass casualty events.
>>218025861we can beat around the edges though perhaps a species in the top 100?and an explanation as to why the ferengis are in the top 200? how did they end up in the delta quadrant so early?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPHHWmmQhCgI thought this was supposed to be the most feminist star trek
>>218025578it happens IRL too you know
>>218025950I doubt that the species designations have anything to do with a timeline of encounters. It's more likely they are derived from some esoteric classification system we cannot understand as non-Borg.At least, that's what I think.
>>218026043Ferengi anomaly aside, it does track quite strongly with delta quadrant proximity
>>218025950Close to them I reckon
>>218026032This, but the head is Nick Mullen, the body is Alexander Skarsgård circa True Blood Seasons 3 and 4, and the accent is Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
>>218026063hmmaccording to this Kirk and the gang travelled 25,000 light years in Star Trek 5 when they went to the centre of the galaxy.That's 35% of Voyager's journey.According to Voyager that should have taken them 25 years and yet they did it in just one film.How CURIOUS.
>>218026060But not proximity to possible Borg origins(which, again, I think would be a terrible idea and strip away the last mystery left in the alpha canon about them).
>>218026032gross
yikes
>>218026032This but the head is Tawny Newsome and the rest is also Tawny Newsome.
>>218026228The Star Trek family is a literal mafia where they all protect each other. Once you’re in, you’re in.
>>218026296unless you're shatner and have the audacity to think kirk is more of a star than sulu
>>218026365Shatner is so fucking based hahah
>>218025031you seem to be not understanding that the tools are clearly limited in what they can doyou can use your eyes and see that what they're telling the characters is not 100% accurate, because the borg are so alien
>>218026365Lower Decks wanted Kirk for one of the few serious parts in addressing how you deal with the death of friends and family, and had to settle for Sulu instead, so you can't say they didn't try.
I think Q Who depicted a much creepier version of the Borg than in their following appearances.
>>218026617>so you can't say they didn't tryI can, they should have tried to write a script that wasn't so embarrassing only someone like Takei would do it.
>>218025672there was a writer's strike and they blew all their money on the sherlock holmes episode. it's the only clipshow in i think the whole series
Bane, his size big
>>218026589What I was saying is that the scanners ARE accurate, its the interpretation of the scan results that was flawed. The Borg IS focusing on repairing the Cube, instead of dealing with the threat, and the Drones are part of that process. And, it seems, regardless of their status, the Drones read as just part of the Cube anyways. The sensors aren't the limit, its that the Federation hasn't expanded its ability to properly interpret the data, until they had met the Borg.
>>218026633How would you do the Kirk/Sulu scene then?
>>218026637You mean Paramount didn’t have Victorian era sets and costumes laying around?
>>218026662It doesn't matter, I'm not paid to write good Star Trek scripts, they are. I leave plumbing to the plumbers and I leave writing to the writers, doesn't mean I can't notice there's a problem when the water starts leaking.
>>218026653(you), this made me chuckle slightly
>>218026662NTA, but I would cancel LD, and start over with a better animated series that doesn't look like Rick and Morty.
>>218026687>I say it sucks but will not offer a better take.So you're just complaining for the sake of it, gotcha.
>>218026684you have to pay people to build the set and show up as extras and tailor the costumes to fit the actors and a million other things
>>218026744the "better take" is to write a better script, but you're not ready for that
>>218026744I accept your concession.
>>218026787>>218026801>Get asked what his script would be>Refuses to give it.And thus the flow chart goes back to "So you're just complaining for the sake of it, gotcha."
>>218026657to be desu I think it lost a lot of effectiveness later on, in Voyager, when they'd say "sensors detect 47,000 Borg drones on this cube"
>>218026653CIA, his flight plan filed!
>>218026816and thus the flow chart goes back to>It doesn't matter, I'm not paid to write good Star Trek scripts, they are. I leave plumbing to the plumbers and I leave writing to the writers, doesn't mean I can't notice there's a problem when the water starts leaking.hire better writers, it's that easy
Lower Decks fans are like one step above ponyfags, if not the same level. I barely consider them to be sentient.
>>218026826Like I said, Voyager really reduced the Borg. Everything "alien" was either lost or seriously eroded, to the point that the Borg ended up basically just being really powerful Kazon, aka, brutes with guns.
>>218026841I accept your concession
>Anti is a horse fuckerThat explains everything.
>>218026880I have more respect for fans of Naruto.
>>218026889Yeah sadlyDark Frontier was the last time they really leaned into the horror aspect of the Borg (and then they're defeated in a very anti-climactic way)
>>Anti is a horse fuckerI said you're no better than the horse fuckers.
>Horse Fucker is exposedLOL
>>218023439>>218023456Standard Ferengi behavior
>>218027075What the fuck are you talking about?
>>218027106NTA but it looks like they're talking about horse fucking
Being exposed
MLP is a far better show than Lower Drecks. Far more popular too.
>>218026991I hate Dark Frontier for re-introducing the Borg Queen, and for really degrading the Borg.For example, the entire plot point of the Borg(specifically the Queen CONTROLLING the Borg) wanting Seven back so badly. Just a terrible, terrible episode, with regards to the status and nature of the Borg. Prior to Dark Frontier, Voyager was handling the Borg alright. But after Dark Frontier they REALLY took a nosedive, and the Queen persisted to further ruin the Borg until the final episode of Voyager.
>>218025082I love Kate Mulgrew's roguish charm. That little smirk she does when the going gets tough...it gets me going.
>>218027151Who was exposed and how? That guy said Lower Decks fans were worse than people who like MLP. How does that mean the Anon who said that likes MLP? I am so confused. Did I miss something?
>>218027175Horse FuckersNot even once
Old, busted, broke and tired: horse fuckersNew, trusted, bespoke and inspired: cow kissers
>>218027185With Dark Frontier it feels like they created the (admittedly awesome) visuals first and then added the plot.When the Borg Queen says that she always meant for 7 to be a spy on Voyager (why?), but doesn't elaborate on that. Then it gets completely dropped.
>>218027219I feel the same way about Lower Decks fans so I completely understand.
Presented without Captain's Log
>>218027288It doesn't even make sense why they would need Seven as a "spy". That is only invoked because the Queen is literally considered to be a real person who actually runs the Borg, and that's an official statement by the writers.In reality, if the Borg wanted to spy on Voyager, they could easily find someway to upload an invasive program into Voyager's systems, a worm that would wind through all sensors and quietly and covertly subvert ship systems to gather data on the ship for broadcast to the Collective.The writers were hacks, who were unable to think creatively about how a gestalt biomechanical/cybernetic intelligence might really behave. That's WHY they re-introduced the Queen, thus cementing her and First Contact in the canon forevermore. They couldn't even conceive of a way to write the Borg other than "evil faction with evil leader who is evilbad". It's tarded and I hate it immensely. That being said, some of the imagery was cool, but that's a pretty low bar.
>>218027315And they went out of the way for you.Unless you're a home wrecking Bashir x O'Brian ghoul. For shame.
>>218027315Ohhh baby All along you were a snobby twat?And to think I let you in my bedTry to be someone you're notOH SHIT YOU CAST A SHITPOST ON ME NOW IM DEAAAAAAD
>>218027345I want a Psi Corps hat
>>218027345Crazy how he looks exactly the same but also very very old at the same time
>>218027402This is actually a main reason why I don't like the show. It was just unfunny fan pandering with no actual substance. I felt gross watching it.
>>218027402Why are their uniforms in different shades of blue? Multiverse thing?
>>218027315Are the starfleet undershirts supposed to be blue? Or gray?
>>218027447Periwinkle.
>>218027435The Bashir is actually a hologram Garak made or some convoluted shit. Don't think too much about it, it isn't worth the braincells.
>>218027462I prefer the MechaB.A.S.H.I.R. spinoff
>>218027435They do come from different universes but those are just the Generations and First Contact Uniforms. >>218027431>He didn't like TAS references
>that one psycho who tries to monopolize bfags's attention by spamming unhinged stalker postsAny Star Trek episodes for this? Besides that one where Geordi rapes a hologram.
>>218027494>MechBashir looks like a teenI care not for this.
>>218027494I can tell you aren't a mecha fan, very weak.
>>218027398I love the Queen's diamond ship. I love the Unimatrix. I love the new way the Queen's head attaches to her body. I love the scene where that whole species gets assimilated and you can hear them screaming and see their limbs get hacked off.But none of it ends up making any sense. Why would she say that she meant for 7 of 9 to be a spy? What kind of spy things does she even do? What kind of information is the Borg gathering?Why does she let Janeway get away so easily?
>>218027575>What kind of spy things does she even do? What kind of information is the Borg gathering?Well tbf at the time Voyager had developed weaponry beyond what the Borg had which is why they formed an alliance in the first place
>>218027575She wants to know how humans have sex
>>218027634I volunteer as tribute
>>218027536Dude doesn't even know what an Aura Battler is baka.
>>218027575And another thing. VOY writers used to be a lot more careful about how far they've gone in the DQ, and how far they have left to go, but suddenly the Delta Flyer can just open up a transwarp conduit and fly all the way BACK to Borg space (from the "Scorpion" two-parter) and then fly ALL the way BACK, but they come up with the excuse "oh, well the transwarp core burnt up".Take hold, Borg space was thousands of light years BEHIND them at that point.It's like with Michael Piller leaving at the end of S2, and then Jeri Taylor leaving at the end of S4, all logic and continuity was thrown out of the airlock.
Give me one good reason why Star Trek doesn't have space fairies ONE GOOD FUCKING REASON
>>218027720How else did the Borg get to Federation space?
>>218027575Nothing about the episode makes any sense. If the Borg wanted to, they literally could tag a Cube or Sphere to just follow Voyager literally wherever they went, and constantly scan them, its not like Voyager could outrun them. That's exactly the kind of strategy that the Collective would use. It would be irrelevant to them if Voyager knew they were being watched. Awareness is irrelevant. But instead Seven is going to be a spy?? Like you said, it makes no fucking sense.But that's the kind of boneheaded writing that happened with the Queen, and why she is a terrible character that should not exist.
>>218027723Because Tomino sexually harassed the VA. That's why Beltorchika wasnt in CCA and also why he quit working with Nagano.
>>218027741I like the implication that the cube in TBOBW was the same one as in Q Who, and it took over a year to reach Federation space.
>>218027741The Borg are masters of transwarp. Another example of how Voyager ruined them, the very idea of a transwarp hub is fucking stupid, because it once again gives the Borg one giant "weak point to hit for massive damage".
>>218027749What would watching Voyager accomplish? They wanted actual information from within the ship. TNG invented the Queen anyway.
Okay, I've decided now that Voyager is up there TOS, TNG and DS9.
>>218027789Narratively when you have something so powerful it needs to have a crippling weakpoint
>>218027802>reddit frog>shit takeA duo like Kirk and Spock
Yeah sure you can complain til’ the cows come home that Mayweather was a boring and underutilized character, and they should have done their due diligence to write him better—but are you brave enough to say the same about Riker?
>>218027775So what you're saying is that Tomino is Japanese Roddenberry
>>218027802Up there with what, all the bad episodes?
>>218027845Riker was better written than Mayweather (or in this case he was actually written whereas Mayweather was not) but yes Riker is sort of a wet fart excused by the raw screen charisma of Frakes.
>>218027846Yes, and Anno is Japanese George Lucas.
>>218027866>Anno: I think so too.That ingratiating shit will never not crack me up.
>Dominion take DS9>founder spends entire time having sex with Odo>obvious spies and federation agents run around the station with total lenience >boss is obsessed with getting terrorists to like him>liaison to the dominion getting weirdly existential>wormhole aliens plot device the whole fleet away anyways suffering, to be damar
>>218027789>the very idea of a transwarp hub is fucking stupidThe fact that the damn thing had an exit practically in the Sol system and they never just sent a handful of cubes to deal with the Federation was lunacy.
Anyway if you ever want to watch some good sci-fi sit down and watch anything made by this homicidal pervert.Anything except Xabungle.
>>218027799>What would watching Voyager accomplish? They wanted actual information from within the ship. That's why I said, constant, intrusive and invasive scans. Or uploading malware that gives the Borg every last iota of data in the computers of Voyager. Or if the Borg were absolutely desperate to seize Voyager, they could have very easily simply sent a dozen Cubes, hell even five Cubes, to take the ship by force. Voyager relied on the Borg being the Borg and just not really caring that much about their one irrelevant ship. But the Queen ruined that by making it "personal". And mind you, I blame BoBW for making that possible with Locutus.To add, remember that the Enterprise only escaped assimilation in Q Who because of Q. And in BoBW, the Borg were completely disinterested in the Enterprise and made a beeline for the heart of the Federation. Which is exactly what a incomprehensibly vast and transcending intellect like the Collective would do. Taking one single Federation vessel would be childsplay for the Borg, and in Scorpion Pt1 we see how quickly Voyager was overtaken by the Cube squadron, and how utterly unprepared for it they were.>TNG invented the Queen anyway.No, First Contact did. The show itself did not. The Queen was clumsily shoved in to give the big dumb action movie a big dumb villain. And in the process destroyed one of the best Trek antagonists ever.
>>218027939Wtf is wrong with you? Xabungle is legit
>>218027741>>218027788Yep, I believe this was original intention and makes the most sense. The first time we really see the Borg is when they're scooping up UFP and RSE colonies in the neutral zone, and generally finding their technology unremarkable. I always liked the idea that the Romulans had an Area 51 with a Borg Cube (which existed in the fandom long before Picard), and maybe that's where it came from. But in any case, they know the UFP doesn't have the ability to reach them. Then Q flings them into the Delta Quadrant and the Cube unexpectedly encounters the Enterprise where it couldn't possibly be. That's why the first thing they do is beam into the engine room and start reviewing the ship's propulsion, trying to figure out what they've missed. They don't find anything, but while the Enterprise is fleeing the gaining Cube, Q flings them back to the Alpha Quadrant - which from the Cube's perspective must have looked like the Enterprise suddenly accelerated a thousand times faster than the Cube's top speed. So they head in a straight line on that same trajectory until they eventually hit Federation space and begin scooping up colonies again, looking for engineering samples they can review until they finally encounter Enterprise and immediately divert course to investigate it. Riker asks "is that the same vessel we faced at J-25" and Data confirms the dimensions are precisely the same. Very likely the same Cube, which again immediately opens the encounter by asking the ship to surrender, and cutting out a chunk of the engineering section to be reviewed. By the time they've assimilated Picard and realized what really happened they decide to see how far they can push it, maybe to see if Q will intervene again, but after that point they know it's not technology they missed and can go back to just farming them occasionally.
>>218027940Scans wouldn't do shit though>No, First Contact did. The show itself did not. Now you're just being argumentative
>>218027953You have to ease people into it. They aren't ready.
>>218027345>protruding pierced nipplesabsolutely offensive
>>218027935Exactly my thinking. The Borg, could have easily pulled an Arturis, and sent a hundred Cubes to assimilate the entire Solar System in days. And no one could have done a single fucking thing about it. And the Collective would have essentially not broken a sweat. In TNG, the transwarp hub was not a thing, and the Borg just didn't do that since the Collective wasn't actually "personally" invested in Earth or the Federation, only curious.
>>218027967That makes a lot of sense, genuinely good job
>>218027720I love Voyager, I love the characters, I love a lot of individual episodes, but it seems whenever they'd do big important plot episodes it would often be the most retarded shit ever.It's true that the whole production staff collectively gives up around season 6 (though the signs were there in season 5)I'll never forget where I read in this one book how they were going to have these gay crew members and they were going to adopt Naomi and be her two gay dads. Because her mom died in the Flotter episode, right. Then someone went; no, she didn't die in the Flotter episode. And the other guy went "oh".
>>218027967cool movie plot could’ve been like the Borg trying to assimilate a hibernating Q or something
>>218027999They may have forgot Naomi's mom was alive but at least they didn't character assassinate Dukat, and by extension their entire story, for being too popular with fans
See? If you ever want my attention that badly just bring up coffee or 80s mecha anime.
