>>218054964
it's how you win an argument

>>218054982
>I've sniffed things *you people* wouldn't believe
>all these smells will be lost like... cinnabons... in a mall
>damn I kneel
lmao

>>218054964
This was written by Matt Damon when he was 19 and you're still talking about it while I've already forgotten this post.

>>218055054
we're on /tv/
this is a place where people talk about films and movies
hopefully now you are educated on this

>>218054964
If you had ever actually met smart people you would know exactly what he is trying to say. Just because you're smart doesn't mean you're smart. Lots of high IQ mfs waste their lives and talent

>>218055080
>Just because you're smart doesn't mean you're smart
"just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you're wise"
Uh ok what the fuck kind of point is that?
>actually I haven't seen you at a lot of parties not sure you should be solving math problems bro seriously you need to sniff some chapels
>??????

>>218054964
He wasn't wrong.
If you weren't a midwit yourself, you would easily understand what points he's making with that speech.

>>218055103
>Zoomer can't grasp a simple concept of "All your smart-ass antics is just cramming a lot of books, but lacking any kind of life experience, for you are a 20 yo lost with his own life"
If I were you, I would go check if I'm mentally challenged. You could get a dole for how dense you are.

to be honest it smelled mostly of sweaty german tourists

>>218055103
It's not that. It's like when someone can't speak a word because they've only read it in a book or paper. People think that's a good thing but it's actually not. Now expand that line of thinking to all of their actions. They basically think they know everything when they don't know shit
You basically end up being a dickhead like Sheldon Cooper and going through life thinking you're right about everything

>>218055103
It's exactly the kind of thing an obnoxious young dickhead needs to hear. I wonder if that's why it causes so much seething here.

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>>218055000
>In my headcanon *SNIFF* Will is ze bottom, definitely-- just like Strangher Thinks *SNIFF* This is a film possibly more homosexual than even Top Gun

>>218055106
>>218055125
>>218055141
>>218055146
>listen you might be good at solving unsolved math problems but you don't know what it's like to go to a led zeppelin concert checkmate I bet you feel stupid now huh?
Midwits lol

>>218055141
Its kinda like how engineers design shit that works on paper but is impossible to manufacture

>>218055103
>>218055193
Oh there's a midwit in this thread alright

>>218055146
>you think you're so smart well why aren't you or your parents generationally wealthy huh idiot?
lolololol

>>218054964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ1pXh1x71E

>>218055209
>actually you aren't very smart if you didn't take a trip to italy
L O L.
I've been all over Europe and the rest of the world. Seeing some shit in person is about 1% different than seeing it in a book. With google maps it's about .5% different.

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>>218055230
>you like big cocks?

>>218055243
You do realise that by latching onto one specific thing he said you're proving that you know you don't have a leg to stand on, right?

retard line, every post above this line is a retard
_________________________

it's a metaphor for experience - you don't understand until you get older, that's literally the point, you just don't understand the value of experience until you get old and realise the value of it. it doesn't matter if you are a giga IQ genius at 21, there's shit you won't be able to learn until you've lived it, that's it, that's the point of the scene

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>>218055274
>>218055269
>it's a metaphor for experience - you don't understand until you get older, that's literally the point, you just don't understand the value of experience until you get old and realise the value of it. it doesn't matter if you are a giga IQ genius at 21, there's shit you won't be able to learn until you've lived it, that's it, that's the point of the scene
"actually you can't understand that it's about robin william's character confusing wisdom/experience for intelligence unless you're very smart"
"I'm a midwit and this made me do a big think"

>>218055193
>Continues to miss a point this obvious and blatant
Here, grab a (You)

>>218055288
How miserable one must be to pretend (and I sure hope you are pretending) to be retarded, all just for the sliver of human attention and interaction. I sincerely pity you.

>>218055334
I was a gigaIQ genius when I was younger and now I'm older and
>*eXpErIenCE*
is a fucking meme outside of being "street smart" and not walking near niggers in NYC or whatever.
You can't actually explain how in one circumstance experience changes mathematical proofs, for example.
The value of "experience" to an intelligent person is limited to learning that most others are rote-learning/script-following jackasses who think and exist as movie characters in their own minds.

>>218055218
That's actually a pretty good question:
If you are so smart, why are you poor?

>>218055368
I'm not kek (but speaking mathematically it's mainly just luck)

>>218055365
>t. under-25 child trying to play adult and trying to be hardcore at that
We can talk when you will be 30, then 40. Just remember to show up here by then and grab the thread from the archive.
Until then - toodles!

>>218055243
>ve been all over Europe and the rest of the world. Seeing some shit in person is about 1% different than seeing it in a book
yeah I totally believe you lmao

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>>218055381
You're not smart or you're not poor?
And if you are smart, what luck has to do with anything.
Could it be - wait for it - the whole experience thing?

>>218055391
Midwits refusing to engage because they can't actually say anything of value is their most boring and annoying trait.
You wanna talk about the actual facts of the matter, I'm in.
But you don't wanna do that, do you sport?
You're terrified that you don't actually have *anything to say*.
Your move, chief.
Your play, buddy.
The ball is in your court, bucko.
Hey pal, it's your turn to respond-o.

>>218055411
>Refusing to engage
Nigga, this ain't your high school discussion club. I have no reason to engage an edgy teen who is looking for a quarrel

>>218055400
>actually if you see the lookie-lookie men under the eiffel tower it's 100% different than not seeing them in photos where they kick them out for the professional photographers
forrest-gump ass boomer take

>>218055427
>Nigga, this ain't your high school discussion club. I have no reason to engage an edgy teen who is looking for a quarrel
Bro used the biggest word he knew and it was "quarrel". Yeesh.
No you just don't have anything to say.
I find you inchoate. (see you don't know that word go look it up it's a cool 1)

>>218055430
ebin troll my dude, you're so good at pretending to be a retard to farm (You)'s

>>218054964
The point was that Will was trying to experience life through avenues that felt safe to him rather than putting himself out there, any attempt to do so was met with hostility, diversion or indifference from him. Fortunately Matty boy spelt it out for people like you
>But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine and you ripped my fuckin’ life apart. You’re an orphan right? Do you think I’d know the first thing about how hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you?

>>218055447
>>218055441
You don't even know what inchoate means.
I understand the point that the robin williams character is *trying* to make, but it's not a good point even if it was made in a better manner.
>b-but no... you can't disagree with it!!!
>you'd ONLY disagree if you didn't... le understand... it!!!!
^ see this is midwit shit, disengaging because you can't conceive of someone objecting to a nonsense argument because it's already "convincing" to you such that there can be nothing which supersedes it.
You're like some farmer telling me the steam engine is "superior to those crazy combustion engines!" as if I don't perfectly understand both.

Midwits are so sad and weird when they do this.
If you think I don't "get it" then simply explain what I don't get. If you can't do that, you're asshurt that I'm right and you're wrong.
Cry about it I guess.
Or sniff a chapel lmao.

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>>218055365
Experience is paramount you moron. All things being equal and one guy being experienced and the other being a newbie guess who wins the fight or gets the job?

>>218055462
>The point was that Will was trying to experience life through avenues that felt safe to him rather than putting himself out there, any attempt to do so was met with hostility, diversion or indifference from him. Fortunately Matty boy spelt it out for people like you
He has no fucking point it's a young person that's every fucking young person. He was seething because he got destroyed intellectually and had to make it about another arena where he would fare better. His ONLY choice for this is to say
>dude you never had someone die in your arms, HUH HUH fAGGOT HUH?!?!?!
>or sniffed a chapel, HUH?!?!?!
Why not just say "you never drove a Ferrari you can never say you actually ever drove a car"
Which is fucking ludicrous. Of course there are levels to any kind of experience but to indicate that because you haven't had a wide breadth of experiences... what... pre-20 years old in this movie?... that you are supposed to never intellectually be above anyone else?

What a crock of shit. It's comfort-cope for morons.

>>218055487
You think you've worn a watch before?
If it wasn't a Rolex you never really wore a watch and you can't say ANYTHING ABOUT WEARING A WATCH!!!
>wow that sounds like a good argument to me!
Lol really?
Because I drive a nicer car than you do... you've NEVER EVER driven a car because of that!
>that's fucking stupid
Yeah that's my point it's fucking stupid.

I've smelled it too and it was like tourist BO and floor cleaner. So what?

>>218055498
How can you say anything about autism if you've never been autistic in the Sistene Chapel?
You think just because you make a post on /tv/ you understand autism? Have you ever lost a speedrun by 1s to a new tech after practicing for months on the old tech?
>boomers clapped and farted at this

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>>218055514
no, it's some FAGGOT on 4chan talking to about driving because he's been playing Forza for the last 15 years but DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A FUCKING LICENSE you FAGGOT, making up incorrect metaphors doesnt make you correct btw NTA

>>218055534
Well.... now we can talk about Michaelangelo. Because otherwise it would have been hard without you having a little sniff of the sistene as a reference.
>ok what does that information add to the conversation
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck welll uhhhhh

>NO YOU JUST DONT GET IT DUDE HE SNIFFED THE CHAPEL AND UNTIL MATT DAMON GIVES IT A SNIFF HE CANT TALK ABOUT ART
>OR SOMETHING

>>218055514
That is not every young person, Will was traumatised and was hindering himself due to this. Partaking in behaviour that was limiting his potential. Most young people are supported and encouraged, and it's often why a great many go to university at 18 instead of struggling along like Will was.
>He was seething because he got destroyed intellectually and had to make it about another arena where he would fare better.
He was appealing to experience and the emotional side of Will rather than the intellectual, which you can make the argument Robins character recognised he could not outwit Will and so levelled with him on a level he knew he couldn't be outdone on.
>Why not just say "you never drove a Ferrari you can never say you actually ever drove a car"
Some people do say
>You've never drove a real car until you've drove X car
>Which is fucking ludicrous. Of course there are levels to any kind of experience but to indicate that because you haven't had a wide breadth of experiences... what... pre-20 years old in this movie?
Again, the point was Will was drawing conclusions on matters through an avenue he felt safe with. He was using his intelligence to substitute his emotions, by applying his logic he would draw unfounded conclusions. And, for Will this meant he was forgoing his potential for fear of being rejected or hurt.

>>218055556
>>218055606
Ok so imagine Matt Damon does all of the things that Robin Williams lists.
It changes LITERALLY fucking nothing about anything Matt Damon already said and it's just cope and seethe that Robin Williams doesn't have shit to say in response.
If Matt Damon's parents were like rich Bostonians or something, then he probably *would* have been to Italy before and a bunch of other shit. Making all of Robin William's points meaningless.
Beyond that it's just like
>UGH YOU HAVENT BEEN MARRIED YOU CANT UNDERSTAND WHY IM A FUCKING PLEBE
Being a fucking plebe because you're married isn't magically somehow not making you a plebe.
Watching only Game of Thrones for 5 years because your wife likes it doesn't make you a film appreciator and someone not having the context that it makes your *relationship better* or some shit doesn't mean when they call you a /tv/ pleb that you're secretly some arthouse master-appreciator.

And that's the point EVERYONE misses is that no shit, the older character has *more experience* but even if you have those experiences or MORE experiences, it doesn't change base facts.

And moreover it doesn't change that the Robin Williams character says all of that shit to have a fagtarded forrest-gump 'epic boomer moment'. Sadly he's a fucking moron.

>>218055527
... why are you screaming so much?

>>218055606
>Partaking in behaviour that was limiting his potential.
Kek like what drinking and getting into fights?
That's exactly what Ernest Hemingway experienced and we got amazing literature out of it.
>well wait not like that...
Or Mozart, who basically also just drank and lot and clowned on everyone and created and amazing music.
>wait that makes my point sound stupid
Yeah it is.
>>218055641
Make a point you feminine nitpicker.

>>218054964
Is he bullying the guy for being too poor to travel to Italy? Like the earlier rich kid who talked about skiing resort?

>>218055658
Yeah. He's basically saying "shut up you're poor, and also, you haven't been married because you're 19 so you can't talk about how I'm a retard because I'm married and you're poor."
>you talk about how you hate your wife... but have you ever had a wife to hate?
*WOOOOAHHH*

>>218055103
>be Issac newton
LOOK YOU FUCKING CHUD, YOU MAY HAVE INVENTED CALCULUS AND THE LAWS OF MOTION BUT HAVE YOU EVER TRAVELLED OR WATCHED A LOVED ONE DIE? NO! THEN FUCK OFF CHUD

>>218055620
You're taking it too literally, Robins character is not saying to go to the Chapel. He's saying that Will is trying to live his life and infer experience through books, but there are things that you cannot experience through books and Will has to put himself out there and do the things he doesn't want to do, which is be vulnerable and open to rejection to and by others. Will's approach to life is harming him, and Robin's character is trying to make Will see the flaw in Will's appeal to his intellect and logic in regards to how he approaches his life. Will being as intelligent as he is, yes he can ascertain "base facts" but to truly reach his potential he must appeal to a side of himself he doesn't want to entertain because it's scary for him.

>>218055689
YEAH YOU MIGHT HAVE FIGURED OUT F=MA BUT HAVE YOU EVER HAD A FRESH WARM CINNABON FROM THE MALL?
OR BEEN SAD ABOUT A GIRL?
NOT SO SMART NOW, HUH?

>>218055658
Williams' character was poor himself. I am not sure how poor but he sure didnt go to Rome on his parents' money since his dad was abusive and he went there after serving in Vietnam.

>>218055709
he's saying all of that in response to book facts that the Matt Damon character says
Literally Matt Damon makes Robin Williams look like a stupid plebe and his response is:
>yeah I'm a stupid plebe but you are poor and haven't even had lots of experiences yet because you're young
Which is not a fucking point.
If I tell you that your math is shit in a proof, and you respond with "WELL YOU'VE NEVER LOST A WIFE TO CANCER" that doesn't make your math proof good.
Only boomers think that stupid shit.
>yeah you might be smarter than me, in every way, but I walked Bob Dylan up on stage and smoked drugs with jimi hendrix
It's not a fucking point. I get it, I get why they do it, and why people engage with it, but it's mostly because they're just stupid.

If Matt Damon has *some* experiences he'll still be smarter than Robin Williams and then have more experiences too, so ostensibly, he would just have owned him even harder if they sit down in another 10 or 20 years.

So what's the fucking point here?
>yeah you booty-blasted me and made me look like a fucking idiot, but if you do it later it'll just be easier for you and I'll look like more of a jackass

>>218055655
Hemingway blew his brains out and often had long bouts of no writing or inspiration due to his destructive behaviour, but Hemingway was a talented writer before his escapades not because of them. As for Mozart, he died at 35 lol. Yes of course people can be talented and be raging drug addicts, but for Will it was hindering and he was going to have a life destined for nothing.

>>218055774
Most geniuses are like that. Not all of them are remembered.

>>218055774
>Hemingway was a talented writer before his escapades not because of them
That's the point if he's metaphorically Matt Damon and he's like "I kick ass at writing fuck you" and then someone seethes at him, it doesn't mean shit because he's still objectively kickass at writing and the other person would still be shit.
>y-you haven't even sniffed a chapel, Hemingway!!!
Who fucking cares?

>>218055773
>If I tell you that your math is shit in a proof, and you respond with "WELL YOU'VE NEVER LOST A WIFE TO CANCER" that doesn't make your math proof good.
It's not my favourite line of the monologue, but the point was sometimes you're going to lose but it's worth it. If Will applies his logic and intellect to that he would choose not to play a hand at all, but this deprives him of playing anything it means he will play no hands because he will always assume the worse.
>If Matt Damon has *some* experiences he'll still be smarter than Robin Williams and then have more experiences too, so ostensibly, he would just have owned him even harder if they sit down in another 10 or 20 years.
No, because Will would not have going out of his protective shell, which is why he shits the bed when Skylar asks him to go to Cali.

>>218055620
>>218055709
If Will did have a rich dad taking him to Italy, he would have been a different person with a different issue, and Robin Williams would have engaged him differently, or at least with a different topic, like bringing up experiences rich kid wouldn't have.

But still the idea about engaging the person with authentic and honest experience is the same.

>>218055830
>he shits the bed when Skylar asks him to go to Cali.
he does that because he's poor

Robin Williams' argument hinges on two things:
Matt Damon is poor (and therefore can't take major risks without financial security, hehehe fuck you poorfag!)
Matt Damon is young

He doesn't have a point beyond that. Neither of which are solved quickly outside of generational wealth or sheer luck in the first case.

>>218055655
I already did. You proceeded to fuss about it and scream, for no other reason than refusing to accept it.
Unironically grow the fuck up, for now you are a picture perfect example of what that monologue was about.

>>218055838
>like bringing up experiences rich kid wouldn't have.
"you've never been poor, huh?"
Lmao the most fucking retarded boomer shit.

>>218055794
A lot are, but a lot of it is romanticised by people that believe they're smarter than they are.

>>218055808
Yeah, the writing is simple but the point is supposed to be easy to grasp. It's why Matt literally makes Robin's character explain himself, in real life Will would get the point and Robin's character would have no need to explain.

>y-you haven't even sniffed a chapel, Hemingway!!!
>Who fucking cares?
No, but you could probably make Hemingway either cry or beat the shit of you by reminding him about his mother and how he could never write a story of a loving mother lol.

>>218055863
>I already did. You proceeded to fuss about it and scream, for no other reason than refusing to accept it.
"I can't make a point so I'll try to pretend I did and that you were really mad about it... or something"
Boomer logic in action.
You didn't say fucking ANYTHING. No one is "screaming" you fucking niggerlicious faggot, first of all you're on 4chan.gov, a Sudanese silkworm forum, and secondly everything is just text.
No one "shouted you down" because it's just text replies, you big faggot.
Now unbunch your panties and try writing something that isn't a tacit admission you're asshurt and mute in the face of prowess.

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>>218055911
Ok

>>218055859
>was and is poor
>throws away CIA coder job
because he can't trust people other than his construction site foreman for handing him cash?

>>218055893
>No, but you could probably make Hemingway either cry or beat the shit of you by reminding him about his mother and how he could never write a story of a loving mother lol.
That doesn't logically mean anything though and it wouldn't make Hemingway less right if he called Robin Williams a shit writer.
Again, everything the Robin Williams character says is pure asshurt without logic.
>well if you can't win an argument just try to bully the other person
Lel-fucking-mao.
Peak boomer logic.

>>218055911
>Now unbunch your panties and try writing something that isn't a tacit admission you're asshurt and mute in the face of prowess.
Peak irony

>>218055950
SAY SOMETHING THAT ISN'T A MARVEL QUIP YOU FUCKING IDIOT
>stop shouting
ITS TEXT YOU FUCKING IMBECILE
LMFAO

>>218055204
name 700 examples
you sound like the typical factory line worker that complains about the genius designer not having thought something through while continuing your mindless 70 iq job

>>218055000
kek

>>218055859
No, he does that because he's afraid Skylar will reject him, Will uses wealth as a means to attack Skylar and project his an image of her that makes her easier to reject. Will is poor but that doesn't really focus the story because it's clear his intellect will guarantee him a wealthy life, it's more how his childhood experiences are limiting him. Keep in mind, he's doing all this so he doesn't go to prison and quite possible end any chance he has at achieving his potential.

>>218054964
>sniffed the sistine chapel

Walking into a building with your parents isn't an argument.

>>218055911
>You didn't say fucking ANYTHING. No one is "screaming"
Nigger, what do you think Caps is for?

>>218055880
>ok you have smelled inside Sistine Chapel. But you don't know what it's like to save up a year of wage just to get there.

>>218055944
The point was that Hemingway focused and specific themes that were often born out of his experience, because he didn't experience a loving mother you would be able to tell he was writing one poorly should he have ever tried. In a way because Hemingway didn't, Hemingway must have accepted that because his experience didn't warrant it he didn't write it. You talk of Hemingway's escapades, Hemingway used his experience to often infer his writing. Which goes against your point that experience doesn't count for much?

>>218055969
It's for making the words big so you read them with emphasis. If you interpret this as screaming that's just FUNNY to me and I IMAGINE that you have Gilbert GOTTFRIED as your NARRATOR in your BRAIN and it sounds like he's reading WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU. NOW GO SNIFF A GOD-DAMNED CHAPEL.

>>218055365
I know this is probably a sharty incursion, but the speech was specifically delivered in response to his criticism of his art.
not having an appreciation for something often comes from lack of experience - and if someone did just repeat canned opinions, you'd call them plebbit.
so in the conversation, both of them were plebbit, the boy for being a canned parrot, the man for being a butthurt wall of texter.
you for making this thread
everyone in it for responding.
but then, you've never had a proper shitposting fest, you were around in the beginning of this site, you don't know what it was like to deal with constant gore and sickness on every board with no filters. you weren't even born before this place existed, you don't know what the old internet was, to have your dick in your hand for thirty minutes while one image of a topless Pamela Anderson loaded in 300x240 pixel format, you're just a kid.

>>218055980
>ok you know what it's like to sniff a chapel and you saved a year's wage to get there
>you don't know what it's like to go there on a couple's date

>>218055963

In fact Will could have come up with a smart retort instantly if he wanted to. "It's just a moldy old church it doesn't mean anything". But he didn't because at that moment he agreed with him. Even for a wrong or incomplete reason.

>>218056045
>you've never sniffed a DSFARGEG
>or had your cock mongled
>or seen just how happy negros can be at seeing watermelons
>you've never shooped a whoop
>or held a cat in your arms just to see how long it was
>You're terrified of what /tv/ might say
Your move, chief.

>>218056053
I'd say it's more like he didn't expect the guy to try to fuck with him in another way instead of admitting he was wrong. It's like when you say something (like NIGGER) that triggers a retarded/lowIQ person into a combat experience out of nowhere. That's probably like... surprising if you don't anticipate people to be asshurt, lowdown, jackass, cowardly backstabbing fucks, but you learn that is how 95% or more of people are fairly quick.
I don't think that trick would have worked on him twice.

Robin Williams' character is an intellectual coward, completely dishonest about who he is and how to be in the world, and seethes like an asshurt jackass at... a 19 year old being smug.
If he was actually worldly and wise he wouldn't have felt the need to show the kid up with what is essentially, again, just
>haha you're wrong because you're young and poor try having a wife and sniffing her in the Sistene Chapel or you lose the argument or I'll fucking fight you because I'm mature
What a jackass.

>>218056064
>you think I know the slightest thing about you just because I saw a preview for broke back mountain, does that encapsulate you? I dont know the first thing about being faggot
>sure you might have whacked off to Hunter shafer, you might have even made a few fakes of him, but you don't know what it's like to be in a thread with linetrap, when all your instincts told you it was a girl at first, then you find out it's a guy and that guy is mocking you and you still would, and you're covered in your own seed because the term "refractory period" simply doesn't apply to you
>you're just a kid
>your move chief

>>218056092
>>218056053
This isn't to say that "Matt Damon is right, Robin Williams is wrong", but rather that they're both just fucking stupid in some ways. However, Robin Williams really fucks the pooch because he could have just made that point gracefully and said "well you're right about me in some ways intellectually but it's because of my wisdom and experience that I have certain tastes and likes... you never really grow out of appreciating some things even if they aren't obscure or perhaps lesser-known. Some things, like love, or sadness, are spoken of by men great and small alike because of the great depth they have within them, how, like an ocean, each reflects to the soul to depths and degrees that others can't see. In some ways you can be right intellectually but without the experience of knowing that mere intellectualism isn't the end-all-be-all, you'll be left incomplete", etc.

Instead he gives like a weird-ass "fuck you sport, your move chief, I've got a blade on me buddy pal" boomer seethe speech
it's just fucking weird. it's like the prelude to a chimpout.

>>218055103
No, his point is being able to spout quotes from a book doesn't make you smart because you don't actually know what you're talking about.

>>218056129
>you're just a kid
>your move chief
I'm feeling this will be the first big meme of 2026 so far.

>>218055954
>Retard so angry, he replies to wrong post with his nonsensical cries
Kek

>>218056145
it was a meme a decade ago

>>218056136
It does actually make you smart though that's what university and school is. That's what they give you grades for.
>repeat the thing from the book on the paper
That's... what it is.

>>218056157
>education is all about repetition and parroting
Are you by chance an alumni of American or American-styled education system? Sincere question

>>218056053
>It's just a moldy old church it doesn't mean anything

Sophomoric nihilism isn't an argument either. You're not even in the same zip code as the cleverness you think you occupy, moron.

>>218056157
No, it makes you educated. Programmed. There is a huge difference, something those very some college students learn the hard way when they get into the real world.

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>>218055054
Matt had a rough idea of this Will character but he had only written one or two scenes by himself

He showed them to Affleck and it was Affleck who came up with the Robin Williams role and really hashed out the actual plot with the love interest and Will's character arc and all that, and the two of them working together to come up with the dialogue

Affleck said he added the Robin Williams role because him and Matt both knew that if they could get a big name actor interested in playing it then getting the money to make the movie would be easy - all because Affleck knew that's how Tarantino ending up getting Reservoir Dogs made - Tarantula got a copy of the script to Harvey Keitel and thanks to him wanting to star in the film Quentin was able to get a proper budget

>>218056183
>There is a huge difference, something those very some college students learn the hard way when they get into the real world.
Please give a concrete example because as someone out of college and in a job I have very little idea of what you mean.

>>218056092
I'm having trouble thinking down to this blue collar reduction.
HE GOTS DEM AN DATS WHY HE AINT SAY WHAT HE AINT DON DID
WAT A JAKAS

I always refused to watch this movie for the same reason I refused to watch Bareback Mountain, that is I don't want to watch to faggots being faggots for the entire duration of the movie, but from the few clips of scenes that I've seen over the decades I always assumed it was about two writerfags and the old one was schooling the young one that you need actual experience of things to be able to write about them, since "Write what you know" is one of the base rules of writing. So I was confused as fuck about all the faggots in this thread arguing about math and geniuses and shiiiiiet. I decided to read the first paragraph of synopsis on wikipedia and the movie was actually about two MIT math nerds. LMAO. You faggots are arguing over two ivory tower math nerds discussing anything about "real life". KEK. Fucking retards.

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>>218056053
This scene should be considered together with the earlier scene of the rich student. They both challenged Will by mentioning a tourist experience but for different reasons, and Will would accept one while refusing the other.
The rich kid brought up skiing just to call Will poor, assuming that he will never get there. On the other hand Robin Williams knew that Will can find his way to Sistine Chapel, and he knew that if Will travels there he is not just to brag about it but to verify the things he read from books.

>>218056199
OP here that's exactly my fucking point: Matt Damon is like a math whiz, corrects Robin Williams on some math shit and art shit, and then Robin Williams seethes at him about not sniffing chapels.
Meanwhile they do motherfucking math. It's so weirdly beside the point.
>you'll never know what it FEELS like to add 2+2 !!!
the fuck lmao

>>218056206
>if Will travels there he is not just to brag about it but to verify the things he read from books.
"I gotta make sure all of these different books aren't part of an elaborate lie between thousands of people to prank me"
lmao what

>>218056199
name your profession

>>218056255
>name your profession
*raises spear with right hand 3 times in the air*
AWOO
AWOO
AWOO

>>218056206
the first challenged him for being poor and stupid, so matthew D'Mone decided to make rare use of his abilities in public and humiliate the guy that way.
for the williams part, it was his mentor finally tough love mentoring him, and giving him a reflection on how young and clueless he is about life, and motivating him to take things seriously and show some respect if he wanted continued help - which was consistent which the whole path of mentorship.
matthew not taking it seriously, being flippant, and wanting to revert to throwing his life away as a janny because he was too terrified of both the real world and his own abilities - something williams was trying to introduce and help him come to terms with in both areas.
i know it's just a retarded thread, but that's the idea behind the truth of it.

>>218056278
I don't get the reference.
i also hate everyone on here who has a job they like and feel proud of, and anyone who's become successful or wealthy

>>218056194
Nta, but the classic example is construction engineering:
You get a kid fresh out of the school who knows the whole theory of doing this thing, but has ZERO experience at managing the project, handling people, meeting schedules, adjusting for logistics, adjusting schedules... All they know is how to calculate the data needed for the construction and what are the general principles of handling the issue, but that's about it.
And if anythng is non-standard, they literally have no idea how to handle it, because they, again, lack experience
From the very top of my head - land surveying. I'm in hydro engineering since 2002. I need to just eyeball the terrain map and ask handful of questions to the surveyor to know what's up and what to expect. A kid fresh from school (and by now, those are people who were born when I was entering this business) will need to consult the entire survey, because they don't even know yet which data set is the most important for their job.
And they will only get there from experience, not from cramming
And this is not to devaluate education. The thing is, you need both good theoretical background and practical, on-hand experience with using that knowledge and also repetition via practice to get good at something. Finishing school is just the first of the three ingredients.

>>218056278
also
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>>218056278
kek

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>>218056316
someone clever enough studying for long enough and in a good enough environment from qualified enough professors would have most of the answers anyway.
big standard rubber stamped engineer isn't the same thing.
somekne intelligent can absorb, process and extrapolate information and develop scenarios without much effort. but then again engineers are relatively low iq and so the range you'll find will be technically poor anyway.

>>218056175
The thing is, Will at that point, did behaved like a nihilist. He dismissed the rich kid and everyone applauded. But he also dismissed the college (students and professors) for a public library card, and the math Stellan Skarsgard studied, and all the therapists he met. any of those therapists can give him the same advice, but he found a way to embarrass them all to stop the session. He was about to attack Robin Williams using his wife. That was actually mean.

There was no sign that Will didn't want to marry his gf though. So Robin Williams argument about not having a wife is weird.

>>218056366
will was seething because matt had a young, pretty girlfriend.
that was the whole point of the film.

>>218056364
Sure, why not.
Except the point of education is to take average Joe, provide him specific theoretical knowledge in specific field and then put them into said field.
If the world relied entirely on the brightest and the most intelligent, rather than improving the general lot, we would be still Iron Age civilization (which is usually a bottleneck for those - insufficient number of trained and educated people to keep things going beyond random brilliance).
So in the end of the day, of the class of 100 engineers, maybe 5 of them will be the guy you are describing (and that's very optimistic). And even those will still need on-hand experience how to handle things - but instead of spending 10 years on it, they will be good after 2

>>218056366
>Will Smith defended his wife by choking

>>218056364
>t. mad math PhD who didn't get his 300k starting

>>218055936
It is a big change for him though.
The job interviews he had really all came with some packages that requires him to change.

>>218055274
I’m not sure what is more bizarre and it’s hard for me to explain but it’s like getting old and realising the effects of our passage through time, and somehow it doesn’t seem to affect some people that much. I’m assuming this sorta stuff would hit people eventually as a handful of friends “get it” and others mainly seem ignorant or too proud based on the shit like “I can’t be wrong.”
It’s as terrifying and hilarious to simply exist and every year that feeling accentuates further. Every year lessons are learned that were derived from the silliest of things and I’ve found myself regretting some ideas my parents tried their best to convey, ideas ive tried in recent times convey to friends as well. What’s worse is that a lot of stuff only made sense after getting older and holy balls the simple brick shitting thought of what I don’t know that will only make sense later on, and how much will I change as we wade into the undying future

>>218056493
Midwit take on life lmao

>>218056420
>we would be still Iron Age civilization
no, it's a common mistake to think that a society depends on raising the dregs. the top ten percent is what is important to the success of the country, the others are mostly incidental within certain boundaries.
the true innovators throughout history have been a mere handful whose discoveries changed civilisation and understanding completely.
the rest are just filled in as tools, which is more or less what you said. but tools being thick or slightly less thick doesn't make much of a difference besides the amount of overseeing the truly clever person needs to do. hierarchies of thought don't need many at the top, nor many at the next rung or the next.
education now is mostly a waste of time for the vast majority, and has become a compliance proof. most make little use of what they're taught, and end up in jobs where they are a very small piece of the puzzle, whether engineers, biochemists or otherwise. it'd work better to specialise in 1 year degrees and churn people out faster without excess, and leave other education to the top 5-10% in each field.

>>218055054
this movie was saved by kevin smith and birthed his career, damon and afflect fumbled

>>218056474
I stayed up half the night thinking about what you just said. and then I realised something and I fell into a deep, peaceful sleep.
you might know all there is about green texting single lines making fun of my life, but you've never swept a corridor after exam day, only to find your bristles are too worn down to pick up all the dust. sure you might have read all the generals on /trek/, but you've never looked through a three hundred year old telescope and then found that evening you've been walking round with a big circle of ink round your eye.
your'e just a kid

>>218056288
THIS post solved the whole thread and it lay BURIED for minutes

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>>218054964
> If you ever disrespect my wife again, I will end you
>Will shuts up and comes next time quietly
Might makes right.

>>218056659
I didn't fully buy him being a tough guy though, especially because matt was part of the bourne program at that time

>>218056601
Kek

>>218055076
Films AND movies?!? I am now educated, thank you.

>>218055080
No such thing as a waste of life, just different experiences. Life is inherently valueless.