>>218104237
Because he thinks it's funny. You know those people that make sims just to torture them to death? That's God.

>Father, who is God, who is also me, why have I abandoned myself???
Kino

>lines that goyim will never understand

>>218104237
He was making a reference to Psalm 22:
>My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
>Why are you so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
>O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer;
>and by night, but find no rest.

>>218104237
What did he mean by this?

I'm waiting for his new film from Mel Gibson.

Sacrificed himself, to himself to save humanity from himself. HE IS HIM.

Is it canon that Jesus will go to hell to fight demons?

>Me...why have I forsaken myself?

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Can someone explain the trinity in a way that is not heretical and doesn't require the need for newly invented words that were made just for the purpose of explaining it? I've heard so many people online try to call others retarded for saying how the trinity is confusing and that it is totally logical, but I have never heard of an explanation that isn't one of the many heresies that other Christians are eager to call out

With how many people fail to give a straight answer, I feel more comfortable acknowledging it as a mystery that does not require logic because reality doesn't always need to conform to our sense of logic

>>218104811
God is basically schizophreniac with multiple personality disorder. He killed himself, to save humans he created, because of the mistake of his own design, which he knew in advance would happen because he's omniscient.

>>218104856
I want an answer from someone who genuinely believes in it and is not snarky or smug about it

>>218104354
It may have been written by jews but in a way it's much more gentile in nature (pseudo-polytheistic), which might have been the point.

>>218104237
Why would Yeshua say this if it was all according to keikaku?

>>218104237
>STFU I'm busy you stupid shit!
yehweh, not a very model parent

>>218104712
me after jerking off to tranny porn

>>218104811
the simple explanation is that christians are polytheists, but they don't want to be called polytheists.
so they have to invent a lot of words and do incomprehensible mental gymnastics to reconcile this paradox.
at least muslims have the balls to admit that their prophet was just a powerful local warlord, while christians cant accept that jesus was just a wise sage and preacher, raising him to godhood solves the blasphemy issue of his worship, he's more popular with them than actual god.

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>>218104811
>>218104905
The long and short of it is that you will not get a single correct answer, only interpretations. One interpretation is the literal, that god is the father, who is also the son, who is also the ghost; when one mentions any one of them (in this interpretation) they are referring to god. Another interpretation says that the father, the son, and the ghost are aspects of god, meaning that they "complete" god but they are not in and of themselves god (as in, the father is not god, the ghost is not god, the son is not god, but put together they complete god. If you want a modern analogue, think of the latter as Exodia.

>But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

how can god know something jesus doesn't know if they're the same?

>>218104811
>I, a mere mortal, should easily be able to understand the workings and nature of God, a completely omniscient and eternal being, using my tiny human brain and limited understanding of my own world's physics, nevermind the physics of the universe itself
You're just retarded

>>218105187
Do you know what you had for breakfast last Tuesday? Some part of your brain has it stored, but you may not immediately recall it.

>>218104905
Nta but you cant reason with god. The closest thing, or interpretation if you want, that we as human could categorize to him is schizophrenia. Because no sane being or individual that could make something as schizo as god

>>218104811
This video is a good starter.
https://youtu.be/LgKI5pu9s7M
Also look into church fathers and official catechisms on the trinity.

Early Christians did not believe Jesus was God because that is a ridiculous thing to think. The first 3 gospels make much more sense when you read them with that in mind. Jesus talks to God, calls him father etc. etc.

John is the only gospel in which Jesus hints that he and God are the same and that was written probably 80+ years after the other gospels.

>>218105211
God is omniscient though that's his thing

>>218105388
Literally the First Chapter of Mark, the earliest of the gospels who scholars claim has the lowest Christology, proves Mark believed Jesus was God. John the Bapist is the voice calling out in the wilderness to prepare the way for God(Jesus), in reference to the prophecy in Isaiah 40:3.

>>218105493
>calling out in the wilderness to prepare the way for God
No, the messiah. Jewish understanding of the messiah is/was completely different

>>218105487
>You can continue to be omniscient when shoved into a human shell with a tiny human brain
Maybe Christianity just isn't for you. Maybe try a religion more your speed. I hear Islam is pretty easy to follow. How do you feel about raping children?

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>>218105526
Did you even read what I said? John the Baptist in Mark claims to the voice calling out in the wilderness. Go read Isaiah 40, it says THAT voice(the Baptist) would be preparing the way for Yahweh(Jesus). Also you mentioned the Jews didn’t believe the messiah would be God; even though you changed the topic away from gospel Christology, I’ll bite :)
Which group of Jews are you talking about? Judaism, like today, was not monolithic back then. There were different groups of jews with different traditions. Do you know what they all believed?

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>>218105544
>meanwhile the Catholics

>>218105682
No you read it

> The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah
Messiah
> At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.
Why would God be baptized?
>After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. 15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”
Jesus was preaching that the Kingdom of God was coming. He was the messiah here to announce that, not God himself.
>What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”
Not God. Of God.

>>218105493
How to reconcile this with Paul claiming that Jesus was a man who became/was appointed God through the spirit of holiness and his resurrection? (Romans 1)

>>218105341
Feel like every Christian falls back on this, "uhhh its BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION OK, it lacks logic because its God DUH." They do the same thing with Creation, God made something from nothing, how do you make something from nothing? UHHH lil heretic its GOD, he can do everything beyond your understanding. You cant even truly understand nothingness so who are you to say something cant be created from nothing? also the bible specifically breaks creation down into days... why the fuck would you do that if nothingness is beyond your comprehension, why even bother breaking it down?

I feel like people explaining it like different forms of water -- water, ice, vapor -- coming from the same source is better than "UHHH you just cant comprehend it, actually"

>>218105716
Completely ignored John and his connection to Isaiah 40………..
don’t know if you’re the same guy but give me a break.
>>218105731
What is there to reconcile? I would need clarification on how you think this contradicts the Trinity before I can properly respond.

>>218104811

I am not a Christian, but did some Christian theology during my first 2 years of college for easy A's before majoring in Economics.

The best way it was explained was with partners and children. Imagine you have a wife and husband who love each other. They have a child. Now, are the wife and husband exactly the same as the child? No, but all three of them are human. They create, they love, they innovate, they plan, they are conscious, they get jealous, they are aware of their surroundings, and they can manipulate them.

It's similar to the trinity. They are each God (infinite, all-loving, all-knowing, etc.), but distinct.

>>218105904
>Completely ignored John and his connection to Isaiah 40………..
It's a reference to Isaiah sure. Making way for the lord is not literally referring to God coming down and walking around on earth, nobody would have read it as that then. You are reading it that way 2000 years later already assuming Jesus was literally God which isn't what the author of Mark believed.

>>218105929
That's one of the heresies though

>>218105904
It's not supposed to be a gotcha or anything it's just something I and many others have wondered about/studied. If Paul had read any Gospel he would probably be reminding everyone that God incarnated himself through virgin birth (Jesus was born God/is God and not a Holy Man made Son of God through his deeds/resurrection. It points to a church/Christology timeline that is difficult to make sense of.

Why God need to impregnated a someone's wife to birth his son? Why didn't he just...."created" him?

>>218104811
3 different aspects of the same god. The same diety expressed in 3 different ways. That's basically it. I'm too lazy to try describing what's different about them. I leave that for the christfags trying to play missionary for the retards on 4chan

>>218106091
That is interesting actually. It was made up (obviously) to connect Jesus to and older Bible verse

>Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

but whoever did that clearly didn't even read the entire original verse because it's referring to a war between Judah and Assyria ending and nothing to do Jesus

>>218106091
because cuckoldry is a white man's religion

>>218106208
They also need him to be a descendant of David which is done in the most ridiculous of ways.

>>218105957
> Making way for the lord is not literally referring to God coming down and walking around on earth
It says in Isaiah 40 they would see the Glory of God, and to say no one read it that way is crazy when Isaiah in chapter 9:6 literally say God would be born on earth. Also Mark 100% believed Chrst was God, see Mark 12:35-37 and how it connects to psalm 110:1, Christ blantanly tells them David was inspired by the Holy Spirit when writing the psalm to recognize and worship the messiah(Jesus) as his very own Lord who God(The Father) exalts to sit enthroned at his right hand. There are more examples but I don’t think I can go as indepth on this website.

>>218104354
kek

>>218106208
Mad how whenever a hint of historicity enters mythology via reference to another nation (see, Thebes and the Cycle of Atreides, Deukalion and Pyrra and the deluge) it always has to do with coming into contact with a foreign people and being influenced by them. And jewish mythology is BY FAR the one mythology that utilises so many references to other nations.

>>218106049
Why would he need to remind them about that specifically in that letter when primarily he was writing to rebuke the judaizers in their midst and to correct their understanding of God’s grace. It just seems like a highly specific parameter where he must mention the teachings you mentioned like the virgin birth in romans, completely ignoring the rest of the NT.
But I’ll humor you and stay in romans anyway. From romans alone we see Paul equating Jesus to God.(romans 9:5)

>>218104811
Creator.
Matter.
Spirit.
It's a philosophical puzzle about the nature of our reality.

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>>218104811
The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.

The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.

Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.

Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.

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>>218104712
>>218105187
The Trinity is not Biblical. It's a pagan doctrine adopted by the Catholic Church to convert pagans.

>>218106091
Because he promised Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David that the Messiah would come from their seed.

>>218104905
Answered >>218108015

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>>218104811
If you played Kingdom Hearts it's like how Sora, Roxas, Venitas and Vanitas are all made from parts of each other and look similar because of the way all four are connected to each other in different ways.
They're all the same thing in a sense, but at the same time they're also all not the same thing.

>>218104237
ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF DEATH

>why have I forsaken me?

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>>218104856
>guys trust me god is like we are! we fellow humans! with le schizorino and le beard and le retarded brainlet thoughts

Why did he go to hell after the pagans?

>>218108223
kingdom hearts just like most japanese things it's literally inspired by Christianity.
Even the key is a reference to Peter's key, to enter kingdom of heaven, which in kh is kingdom hearts.

>>218104363
>be a man on the cross
>your final words are not an expression of your grief and agony but an intellectual reference to scripture
I would doubt it if it weren’t so very Jewish

>>218108476
>be a man

>>218108517
yes. in all the debate about the divinity of christ the plain facts of the incarnation are swept under the rug
jesus took dumps.

>>218104811
Imagine you have one ball of clay, but then you separate it into three different balls and sculpt each one into a different person. They would be three distinct sculptures/persons, but made of the same substance. In the case of the Trinity, the substance is "God", and the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit are the three Persons made from that one substance.

The Trinity also makes a lot more sense when you realize that "God" isn't the proper name of an individual like most people today think. Like they think of God as one guy and then say "But how can one guy be three guys??" The point is that God isn't one guy, God is the unique substance which constitutes the three guys.

>>218104309
I ask myself this every day ;_;

>>218108417
>God isn't a person, bro. He is some incomprehensible entity or substance. Just ignore the bible and believe in my greek-persian inspired fanfic.

One of the arguments for Jesus having been a real person who existed is it doesn’t seem like anyone making up a messiah would include him doubting himself at the last moment

It's interesting that people will talk about this until the end of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostatic_union

>>218104363
>about to die
>time to quote my book and prove I predicted everything

>>218108927
I covered that here>>218108015

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>>218108927
In the OT, Genesis 1,
>Let us make man in our image
and
>The Angel of the Lord, who is also The Lord
and many other examples, proves the Trinity. Yes there is Greek influence but the Trinity is (OT) Biblical. I don't need to be lectured on Christianity by a JW cultist though tyvm.

https://trinities.org/blog/podcast-239-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-1/

>>218108640
>god tells you to live a certain way
>gives you the free will to not live that way
>atheists pretend they can't understand they are the kid in the marshmallow experiment

>>218109361
>Let us make man in our image
He was talking to other gods, not to himself

>>218109418
It's as simple as that, if someone goes to hell that means he sent himself there. Hell was not made for us. God doesn't want that for mankind, he wants us all to be with Him.

>people have been having the same debate over and over again, all over the world for two thousand years
really bakes the noodle

Reminder that these threads never talk about Islam or other religions.

>>218109553
What do you want discussed in a thread such as this? Look at the OP again.

>>218109553
Which is a shame because the plagues of egypt are more interesting as a my god can beat al of yours battle of gods

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>be devout Christian
>get isekai'd
>see this
>wat do?

>>218104710
No he goes to hell to enjoy the smoke of their torment (Rev 4:10-11)

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>>218104811
God is primarily a spiritual entity. We struggle to understand the trinity because our entire experience is one soul and spirit inside of one physical body. God can have more than one physical body. He can also spiritually dwell inside of more than one body. I think that about covers it? Hope that helps.

>>218104710
Satan and his demons are "opposed" to God but creation is not a duality where you have war between God and the Devil. Light doesn't need to "fight" darkness, therefore no demon can harm Jesus, however Jesus' mere presence harms them.

>>218110106
Nice fanfic