Thinly veiled Gnostic moments in media.
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>>218167926Isn't literally EVERY film out of Hollywood a Gnostic allegory? And not thinly-veiled at all, but absolutely in-your-face about it?I just think it's really hilarious that literally EVERYBODY with an IQ above room temperature is like, "Okay, all I know is that I know nothing, but the one thing I DO know beyond the shadow of ANY doubt is that this universe was created by a being motivated by equal parts Satanic malevolence and insensate ignorance. This I know in my heart."
>>218168181Sometimes Liam Neeson is just saving his daughter form sex traffickers.
>>218168241Man is relegated to the use of gross physical means to defend innocence from a callous and evil world where ruthless violence is both the currency of the realm and the lot of every being to suffer. Good try, but do try again old chap.
>>218168393If you wanted to, you could abstract any piece of media to mean anything you want. This is more about direct metaphor. Some films are way more gnostic on the surface, like Dark City. “Suffering exists” isn’t necessarily enough to go off of.
>>218168181The Matrix is the most direct unblinking in your face Gnostic movie and yet not a single person seems to talk about it in this way, they just say "uhh Neo is like, Christ? uhhh maybe it's about being heckin trans?" They ALMOST get there with "dude DUDE we like... live in a computer simulation!" Astounding it's still one of the most talked about movies but everyone has a massive blind spot for what it is unequivocally about
what movie is this shrimp from?>>218168594Christ is a part of gnosticism, they just totally misrepresent Him and His purposealso no one genuinely believes The Matrix is about trannies
Dark City is pretty horrifying in retrospect.
>>218168683happy feet 2
>trying to glue two pieces together>pick up gnostic glue>it doesn't stickFUCK YOU DEMIURGE
>>218168683>christ is a part of gnosticismI understand this, I'm saying everyone stops at "neo is christ" and they get no further.
>>218168594Demiurge claws typed this.
Not veiled at all. This is as explicit as it gets. https://youtu.be/sNj8mJq65i4
>>218168700anon if you're just fucking with me it's not even fun because i can't tellisnt that the australian singing penguin movie?
>>218168594>uhh Neo is like, Christ?I like the fact that most people miss the part that clearly shows Neo isn't the "One" to begin with. Cypher's the one meeting The Matrix and eating steak without needing to get paged in or out. I mean, if we ignore the direct sequels that reveal that Zion is just another level of the Matrix so it doesn't matter anyway whether Neo is the One or not.
>>218167926demiurge on the right, enjoying tormenting those trapped within a realm beneath her (tapping glass)artificial prison of mortality on the left, a shallow and finite planesalvation through a pelican (traditionally symbolic of christ)the dentist would be the monad, busy running the business (universe) with indifference to the conditions of those within it
>>218168824nta but the carnivorous mammals in Happy Feet are portrayed as evil monsters and there are several "scary" scenes with them, so I assume the sequel is similar.
>>218167926>>218168007Didn't they confirm these shrimp are a gay couple?
The flying snake in that screaming android show.
>>218168893But gnosticism never adresses the indifference of the Monad. And WHY would you want to rejoin it if it doesn't stop the Demiurge?
>>218168991a moe-nads?whats that? some kinda fish?sorry i just got reborn to this hellish existence whats a demiurge? is that a fish too?
>>218168751geg
>>218168181>I just think it's really hilarious that literally EVERYBODY with an IQ above room temperature is like, "Okay, all I know is that I know nothing, but the one thing I DO know beyond the shadow of ANY doubt is that this universe was created by a being motivated by equal parts Satanic malevolence and insensate ignorance. This I know in my heart."gnostic fags really are the new fedorathiests
>>218167926Honestly the whole barbie movie is a gnostic allegory
*achieves gnosis*
in toy story 4 where forky is forcibly spawned into existence and immediately just wants to revert back to mundane trash.
>>218169302>guy whose only spiritual reference is gnosticism: "I'm getting thinly veiled Gnostic moments from this media!"
Isnt blood meridian also interpreted as gnostic?
>>218169606ur mum's bloody period is gnostic too
>>218169558It's literally about escaping an artificial world controlled by a malevolent entity
>>218168957Huh
>>218168751le sad demiurge
>>218168957nothing thinly veiled about that showit was just straight up "baby's first gnosticism"ridley is a hack
>>218170188Raised by wolves.
>>218169532He was the only one in the hunt that didn't worship Lucifer in some way and that's why Lucifer picked him. If Corso worshiped anyone it was himself.
>>218169230Nah, they’ve been full cringe for 2,000 years, if anything they’re the OG’s of huffing your own farts
>>218168181>Satan>A Jew deity>The Christian devil>GnosticismYou have zero idea what you're even talking about hylic.
>>218168594The matrix is a biblical allegory. Again, Hylics need to shut up, sit down, and listen.
>>218167926whats the deal with gnosticism?
Guys. Fuck the Demiurge. Seriously. What a cunt.
>>218170539Calm down demiurge worshipper.
>>218170652It's a meme Christian sect that died out 1500 years ago.
>>218170652It's an idea so powerful it eventually consumes all who seriously engage with it.
Captchas and having to click off cookie bullshit all the time is the D's handiwork. Anything to shit up even 5 seconds of your time.
>>218168007fpbp
>>218170652Some people have a soul, others don’t. If you have a soul and don’t go to heaven, you get reincarnated Christians are soulless monsters that blindly serve a false deity
>>218170652Gnosticism is christianity if god was bad and also there were gods above god.
>>218170946*God
>>218170946>if god was badThe creator is not God
>>218170968Yes but the god of the Bible is the demiurge. I’m speaking in a way that someone unfamiliar with the subject matter can understand.
>random movie is a gnostic allegoryOkay, and?
>>218170946Sophia, Jesus, and Monad are good. Old Testament God is bad
>>218170652It’s a meme that schizophrenic retards obsess over online.
>>218168594Truman Show, Blade Runner, and Alien all heavily lean into it
>>218170539Gnosticism was lost/unknown for like 1500 years, nerd
>>218170946It kind of makes sense. YHWH's scale and domain in the Old Testament seem insignificant given what we know about the universe now.
>>218170539Most people choose it when the hypocrisy and juxtaposition of Christians becomes too much to reason with in good faith
>>218171247Enjoy Hell.
>>218171266I don’t believe in Hell, but I’ll let you know that cowards go to the worst places there
>>218170652Christians attempt to answer "if God is good, why do bad things happen to good people?" and not being satisfied with the answer in the Book of Ecclesiastes and Job
>>218168594it's better to keep the big secrets out in the open where no one looks for them.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds
>>218171311Nobody is good. We all deserve eternal torment. Only through God's grace and the blood of the lamb is our wholly corrupt and sinful nature forgiven. This is Christianity 101 people.
>>218171377>our wholly corrupt and sinful natureIf that's the case why did God make us that way?
>>218168594It's just incredibly derivative of gnostic work such as Philip K Dicks. There's not a single idea in it
>>218171377Why did God make Adam and Eve without letting them know what good and evil are?
>i-is that a fucking SYMBOL?! This is gnostic freemason illuminati satanism!!!!!!
>>218171377This is correct.>>218171429>>218171546These are seething atheists who will not be excused at the Great White Throne.
>>218171377correcteverybody will go to heaven, good or bad doesn't matter: you make more Good by doing evil things and make people suffering actually
>>218171377any "god" demanding blood sacrifice is not to be trusted
>>218171377You're correct, I meant "God-abiders" perhaps, since praying doesn't stop evil 100% of the time
>>218167926>Record scratch>You're probably wondering how I got here
>>218171906Found the Muslim
>>218171377>We all deserve eternal torment>be born without consent>YOU DESERVE TO BE TORTURED FOR ETERNITYWhat a loving god.
>>218171987prove you didn’t give consent
>>218171778You can't just thump on a Bible without presenting a logical argument derived from the points and associations made within it in a thread concerning Gnosticism and expect people to not just laugh you out
>>218171987You think God requires your consent for anything. Such arrogance.
>>218171987This is the one thing that fucked me up a bit. Why does God not offer the same choice he did Adam for all of humanity? Why are we forced to be born into sin? Is one man's choice supposed to represent every man's choice without ever being given a chance themselves?
>>218172080Your chance is to worship God and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior. This is very simple.
>>218172073I wouldn't mind accepting that. Not like it would make a difference if I did or not, but how can God be called Love and Good and True when people are forced to undertake the nature of the sinful world with no choice. That is no kindness, it's a meaningless display of shame
>>218172111>worship me and you shall live forever >woah, shit? Really? That's bananas. So what, I'm just, like, immortal now?>well, no, you still have to die and-
everything is a "Thinly veiled Gnostic moment" if you're down religious hole far enough
>>218172111And what of the virtuous pagans, saracens and atheists? Their lives are lived with such vigorous devotion to their beliefs and spirituality but because they worship a different god or concept of a god then they are worthy of eternal suffering. Where is the goodness in that? Where is the mercy from the merciful God?
>>218172125Anon there are a few thousand years of christian apologetics and philosophy dealing with those questions. Go read some Aquinas.
>>218172197They burn in Hell. They did not accept Christ.
>somewhat related pastaA girl turned to her father and asked:“Daddy, will we go to heaven when we die?”He looked down and said with a gentle smile:“Well honey, there’s no such thing as Heaven.”A proud atheist and above all else a pragmatist, he was never fond of entertaining the fantasies of children, believing it best to direct their imagination towards the tangible. But faced with the now tearing eyes of his daughter at this revelation, this black gospel, he buckled his proclamation slightly with the tender tact good fathers share. “Honey, when we die, we go to sleep forever.”The words rang in her ears, echoing loudly in that void she now grew to fear. Her throat tightened. For what five-year-old could hope for comfort at the thought of oblivion? He sensed the terror growing in her heart.“But it’s alright, there’s no pain, no sadness. In fact, you can think of it as how it was before you were born! You don’t have to be afraid. After all, there won’t be any fear to speak of, or hate to throw around. It’s... well... in this light, I guess you could call it Heaven.”Her face softened, eyes darting to the ground, the fears not quite yet quarreled. The glowing embers of terror were stoked with one final question. After some thought, she brought it to him:“Then... where is Hell?”
>>218171911Because anon, god isn't going to intercede in problems without you. Divine intercession is something that only happens when you've expended your physical ability. If you get 99.999% of the way, then maybe god would give you that .000000001% to push it over the edge.
>>218172209No. I don't care what some old faggpt who decided that he understands what God actually meant better than anyone else schizoposted.
>>218172348You're genuinely a stupid person.
>>218172447Not so stupid as to kneel to a kike zombie carpenter
>>218172312Sometimes miracles just don't happen anon. The answer, of course, is in Job as I mentioned before. God simply says that the universe and everything in it is out of our control. Regardless of whatever fate or circumstance befalls us, we need to place our trust in Him and the ultimate promise of salvation
>>218167926I often have haruhi moments where I wish the supernatural was real but life is disappointing
>>218172518You just need to find the magic in other areas of life that are genuinely interesting, anon. There's value in the here and now
>>218172565The here and now part is the main aspect of my sadness. The chaos of life and intelligence is so amazing, I never want to lose that. I always want to learn and discover new things.
>>218172479>dude how come [thing]>idk stupid faggot why not read the people who spent their lives studying [thing]>REEEEEEE NOOOOOOO I REFUSE TO LEARN ANYTHING! MY MOMMY SAID I'M A SPECIAL SUPER SMART BOY! REEEEEEEEEEYou can be stupid. You can be arrogant. You should never be stupid AND arrogant.
>>218172505The point 'hope' is a christian virtue, but no where in the bible does god tell anyone the problem is they didn't WISH hard enough.
>>218172618>I never want to lose thatGood, the archons need that loosh.
>wot if god was the devil? mental innit?
>>218172668Dude, calm down.
>>218172832No one is upset skippy.
>>218172853Walk away from your computer, take a few deep breaths, and relax.
>>218172736No, certainly not. The three answers God gives to any request made of Him are either yes, no, or wait a while. People just are disappointed when the answer seems to conflict with their idea of love, justice, and mercy. Hence the first point I made. It's easier for people to accept the concept of the Demiurge than try and rationalize and/or convince themselves to trust in God and that He is Love and Good regardless of the state of the world in sin
>>218172832Lol the gaslighting commences. It only took us 100 replies
>>218168893Even as little kid I felt there was a creepy subliminal message with the whole dentist setting. The giant girl torturing the fish and the dentist not caring or not seeing. Creepy
>>218171377If a baby dies at birth does it go to Heaven or Hell?
>>218168594John Wayne should have been Neo
>>218169644The blood (of mankind) escaping its confines ruled by an evil entity (women, demiurge) and achieving physical shape within the material plane (sentience), robbing the entity of sapience and sanity. Yep, checks out.
>>218172197The Divina Commedia says they go to the first circle of Hell, which is basically just Earth again but solely inhabited by fedora atheists. They get rejudged every few millinea to see if they move up to Purgatory, only if they've accepted God.
>>218168181Hawk the Slayer, The Princess Bride, Goodfellows, the Care bears.
>>218173189Happy Thanksgiving Pilgrims!
>>218170652This>>218171067I fucking hate online GnOsTiCs
I think you guys just like writing gnostic over and over
>>218173129According to the Bible, if it's conceived from sin the baby goes to hell.
>>218171067It goes hand in hand. The problem is sometimes its contagious. Read pic related and ask yourself "How self aware is this book?" as you're reading it, then you'll start to feel like you're on the inside of the book looking out. Seriously though, great book if you're a PKD fan and have already made it through Ubik and The Three Stigmata... and wanted something that was even more of a mindfuck.
>>218173129Catholics had to invent the concept of purgatory just to tap dance around it.
>>218173700WTF is this Pokémon shit?
>you mean a vaguery about there being some evil guy who controls everything is easily projected on stories that need an antagonist to make a plot?!Bruh
>>218171546If they remained innocent, they could never sin. The same way an animal can't sin.>then why did He let them lose their innocence?Because the burden of that knowledge and the capacity for sin is necessary to ascend. Animals can't do the 'right' or 'wrong' thing, they just do things. Humanity can choose the right path.
>>218170652it was a christian offshoot in the east where they believe god is a rejected god in a greater universeIt's so heretical it may as well be a completely unique religion that adopts christian imagery. It's kind of like mormonism except has legitimacy because we found text dating back to 150 AD, a couple decades after the oldest letters of Jesus
Not many movie recommendations here.
>>218168181Pretty much.
>>218170603>muh Freemasonic dicksuck defense of indoctrinating children into LuciferianismYou disgust me.
>>218167926MOON CHILD!!!!
>>218171377so god punishes people for being born… got it
>>218174978once you've finished the game a first time you can play in nightmare mode
>Demiurge tries to temp me with his material realm of bread and circuses>See past the veil and achieve gnosis with easeGG no RE
>>218171377>This is Christianity 101 It's catholicism 101, sure. If you actually study early church history and examine the Bible from a historoliogical perspective instead of assuming all of Catholicism's precepts, then it's pretty clear Jesus never said or intended any of that.
Most of written religion is just vagueposting what were meant to be relatively simple teachings on how one oughta live their life
I just don't wanna not exist. How do I get there?
>he thinks there is escape from the cycle before he has learned his ultimate lessonOh no no
>>218175411well you can't, so better to just end it now so you don't spend the next 60 years worrying about it
>>218175474
Why are threads that discuss religion always filled with 99% people who don't have even basic knowledge of theology and ask things like "If God real why bad thing happen?".
>>218175411Its dipshits in 21st century that are so fucking clueless at how to live in the world as it is, they go back to early failed arab civilizations from the bronze age for their crude attempt at a moral code for urban living. Abd they can’t make any better sense of that either, but at least they get to worship a humanlike god in their own image and tell themselves they’re part of a grand tradition, even though they don't know shit about that tradition, and they don’t have to study philosophy or ethics with all their difficulties. Its low effort trash for low effort tards, mostly concerned with outdated breeding and property rights to solve selfish squabbles in desert tribes from the ass end of the earth.
>>218175579You have to ask questions in order to reach answers. When you ask “why do bad things happen” and assume a worldview where a gif exists, you come to the conclusion that god allows for bad things to happen. The dumb thing is to allow yourself to believe in a world that’s self contradictory.
>>218173677You detestable and wicked liar. The only example we are ever given IS of a baby conceived in sin and it is noted that David (his father) will see him in heaven
>>218175543>bro thinks this is his final cycle>the fact that he even had something as his favorite outs him as Cycle-letWho's gonna tell him
>>218170652Gnostics extend the concept of sin to cover the entire material world and reject materiality itself. They also believe in esoteric readings of the Bible where secret information is given to select individuals because the collective mass is unready for certain revelations. It's like a logical completion of certain Christian themes that most Christians are unwilling to make because of how radical it gets.
>>218175630So original sin isn’t a big deal
>>218175579Probably because they find the standard Christian answers unsatisfying.
>>218175656God is merciful enough to look past it for children. Those who never had a chance to ever hear of Christ also seemingly have a different but also unknown criteria they are judged upon, or at leat Paul implies so.
>>218175712You’d think the smart thing to do would be to delete christianity entirely if it meant everyone got to go to heaven.
>This much talk about jewish fairytalesHumanity deserves to suffer and be enslaved. You're all inferior.
>>218175656Why did he do it. He knew it would happen as they were his creations. Was it the original ragebait?
>>218175622>>218175689>erm, but WHY is 2+2=4?
>>218175802Mm-morty *buuurp* I'm so fucking euphoric morty.
>>218175772Oh it most certainly wouldn’t mean that at all. We don’t know the criteria but I see no reason to presume that it’s an automatic “I’m saved” button.It’s entirely possible that these people simply aren’t saved, but instead their culpability and therefore suffering in God’s judgement are greatly reduced. Maybe God simply knows those who would never consider Him no matter what, and perhaps as an act of mercy he positions them away from Him so their punishment is less terrible thanks to ignorance >47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Never forget that it's been proven that a lot of these threads have muslims and hindus in them.
>>218175872If god is going to make the people that don’t know of him suffer at all, that’s ridiculous.
>>218175923Would He be just if he let their evils go unpunished? Would the victims of the Aztecs, beaten and tortured and eaten and sacrificed to false gods, be given justice if no punishment is wrought? The victims of the billions of rapes and murders throughout history? The victims of those Chinese emperors that would skin alive whole villages in a whim?
>>218175859I'm not an atheist; I just hate jews.
A Dark Song has some nods to Gnosticism.
>>218171906Ascension into Heaven is about enlightenment. Only when you can achieve a state of existence independent from sin can one elevate themself to God's direct presence.It just so happens a person capable of doing this fits our perception of "good." While the sinner who needs sin to perpetuate will never be able to achieve Heaven for his heart desires sin over the Lord, and one need only ask a substance abuser to determine if sin will reward him with eternal happiness come the unending yoke of eternity to weigh it by.
Gnosticism is gay and whiny.
>>218168594Nobody knows what a Gnostic even is apart from the 10 Gnostics on /x/ and the small minority of Christians that are still mad at a 2000 year old extinct splinter group
>>218171546You won't know that fire is hot and snow is cold until you touch them.
>>218171429Because that's an inherent element of having Free Will.
>>218173677>subversive liar shows up and literally just talks shitEvery time with you Anti-Christian faggots.
>>218174090>If they remained innocent, they could never sinSo they are innocent of the original sin since they could not know it was wrong?
>>218175579Because the overlap between the people that currently use 4chan and teenage Redditors going through their "Fuck Capitalism!"-phase is larger than anyone wants to admit.
>>218175543This is less a demonstration of Zen-like acceptance & "moving on" from things you can't change and more just an example of low-IQ lack of Object-Permanence. Being able to just seamlessly pretend & convince yourself that something you & your memories KNOW existed but is gone now simply NEVER existed is just a demonstration of capacity for Orwellian Double-Think. A healthy, natural human brain is wired to recognize & remember loss, because that's necessary for ever being able to apply & appreciate "value" for literally anything.
>>218176589No, babies aren't innocent of the original sin. They can still die from cancer or congenital defects because of this. God cursed humanity with mortality because Adam and Eve disobeyed him.
>>218175579There are always new users on 4chan. The turnover rate for users is very high because of low engagement.
>>218168181>Isn't literally EVERY film out of Hollywood a Gnostic allegory? And not thinly-veiled at all, but absolutely in-your-face about it?Not every but a lot of them, I'm not sure how gnosticucks cope with this.
>>218175653Isn’t the finale of the show Finn and Jake in the afterlife, and one of them has the capacity to escape the cycle, but goes bodhisattva in order to help the other one, who is still stuck in the cycle of reincarnation?
>>218176707It’s a lack of attachment to the material.
>>218168594The Matrix is a movie The Matrix would make about itself.
>>218168594How many normal people do you think even knew the word “gnosticism” back then?
gnosis
All Keanu movies are gnostic
>>218168181I believe most of them are about Existentialism, in a Liberal way
Reddit gnosticism is to the early 2020s what reddit atheism was to the early 2010s
>>218167926>thinly veiledheh
>>218177290That extends to video games as well. Cyberpunk 2077 is extremely Gnostic. Towards the bed of the game you end up in a hotel that’s literally called the “Pistis Sophia”
>>218170652It's a mode of thinking that infects religions. When some angsty asshole wants to feel smart and in control he can say that knowledge will free you and that everyone but me and mine are asleep, if you wake up with me to the truth we will go beyond reality and have heaven if not here and now in the next life when we die. kikbala is gnostic jews, gnosticism is christian, marxism and it's offshoots are an atheist version.
>>218177950Lol this. Just the laziest "deep" position to hold. And most of the people talking about it have never read a single gnostic text.
>>218175579because only autists actually care and study these matters, normal people feel anguished, ponder it for a minute, swallow some bullshit and move on
>>218178057How is the pursuit of knowledge not tied to freedom? They are objectively right in that regard. In order to be free you need to know your prison.
>>218178096What if you can never know it all or even know enough? It's just a mode of thinking that loans itself really well for manipulators and narcissists of all kind to form cults and feel superior and take control. It's useless to read too much into it.
>>218178144Part of the pursuit of knowledge is understanding when to let go.
>>218177950I don't know about reddit but openly acknowledging the physical universe is evil is a good step forward for all of humanity. Every other world view only tries to cope its way out of what's always been in front of them and it's pathetic. People should face reality head on even if it kills them because there is nothing else worth living for
>>218170652some women like to get deep into astrology or wicca or some other surface level occultism so they can feel like they comprehend the worldthat's basically gnosticism but male schizo flavored
>>218178220Astrology is interesting. Not personal astrology, but astrology in relation to historic events. Like Uranus entering Gemini, symbolizing the revelation of truths and lifting the veil. What have we gotten in that time? The department of defense was renamed the department of war. We learn about the Epstein sex trafficking ring and the elites involved. People see Israel for what it is. Etc.Its only a passing interest of mine, but I am slightly compelled to believe there is something to it.
>>218173679I'll give it a rey since I loved the keano pkd film.
>>218170652The QRD is if you spend any ammount of time studying theology through an objective lense, (using Christian terms here) God did mot create the Earth or humans, Lucifer did, and this was the crime that got him kicked out of heaven. God created angels in his image, Lucifer creates humans in his. The snake in the Garden was actually God feeling pity on humans and giving them the gift of knowledge. And Jesus is then God giving us a way out of Lucifers grasp.Why do you think the old testament ""god"" demanded blood sacrifice, constantly killed hmans in floods, and whatnot? And now after the complete 180 through Jesus, he no longer interacts with us? Because the old testament and new testament god were never the same.And yes this means that Jews worship Satan.
dude did u kno????? finding out is a refrence to GNOSIS i recently experienced GNOSIS by finding out my WIFE is FUCKING my neighbor
>>218178411I know sis
>>218171377Feels like a blasphemous oversimplification
>>218178396This is a retarded version of Marcionism
>>218178545All of Christianity is an oversimplification because Christian’s are generally too retarded to look into the nuance of their own theology. A majority of them wouldn’t even like Christ.
Why leave the krill swarm?
I Gnos.
>>218177061>Dude, status-quo good
>>218175543Based Jake. I live the same way.
>>218171311>Job>bad things happen to good people because God makes bets with Satan to prove a pointIf you're satisfied with this you might just be a psychopath.
>>218168991Indifference is better than evil I guess.
>>218173413>>218172209I find it a bit worrying being told I need to find the truth in fanfiction writing and the philosophical musings of people who were basically considered heretical in their own time.
>>218176486That doesn't mean people who are effectively gnostic don't exist. There are many.
>>218175579I find they're more infested with what seems to be the dregs of self-taught theologians.it's a bit like when you discuss economy with someone who has spent 10.000 hours reading communist literature and can quote a hundred dusty theories and 'great' thinkers you never heard about, but if you ask them a question that a 5 year old would think of - like 'how do I start a business and hire employees under your proposed system?', then they completely collapse.When I asked my priest these kinds of questions when I was 13, he hit me with the standard 'God's ways are not for us to know' type stuff. Anons will instead make fun of you for not having read random heretical writings of various medieval scholars and 19th century philosophers. It's very funny.
>>218179263Literally every one of those movements have been disastrous for society.Change can be good, but never the kind that calls for the total destruction of established order. Progress and Revolution are not the same thing, and naive people not knowing the difference is the cause of most man-made suffering.
>>218180819An evil system collapsing from revolution is objectively progress.
>>218180880There are no examples of this in history. There are examples of evil systems improving incrementally, but no examples of society being overturned and replaced with something better. The revolution creates untold misery, and is replaced by anarchy, or a totalitarian hellscape, since it's always the worst people imaginable who are sucked in to fill the vacuum.The revolution that ended the Russian Tzars caused more misery than centuries of tzarist dictatorship, and replaced it with something worse.One of the biggest propagandistic tools of the communists during the uprising was blaming the Tzar for the famine of the 1890's that killed about 100.000 people (the famine was natural, mind you, the Tzar was blamed for an inadequate goverment response to help the afflicted).15 years after the Tzar was deposed, the new government killed 5-8 million people in manmade famines, created through a mix of malice and incompetence.
>>218181002Sounds like you’re approaching this topic from a political bias and not a neutral position. It’s hard to take you seriously.
>>218179674If that's your takeaway from Job then you're clearly not looking closely. God did what He did to Job for several reasons we can easily infer.>killing the idea that if you suffer it is because you have wronged God - very prevalent at the time, people thought any and all hardship a person faced was from personal sin>showing up Satan>challenging and sharpening the faith and apologetic of future worshipers (if you can understand and accept and defend Job then you can probably do the same for any part of God's Word)>strengthening Job's walk with God, who (if you read the subtext) can be inferred as someone who greatly followed the law but did not necessarily walk with God as say Noah or David did>showing Job a vision of a dinosaur (behemoth) and therefore proving that He created them as wellAnd several more I probably can't list without breaking wordcount.Another strong theme of the story was - after Job questioned God as to why all of it happened - God telling Job in a roundabout way that His plans, purposes and actions are so far beyond human conception that even if God was to tell Job everything he could never understand anyway. So you just need to trust in him, because in the end this world is so harsh and chaotic that sometimes that's all you can really do anyway.Ecclesiastes also communicates this strongly.
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>>218168181>Isn't literally EVERY film out of Hollywood a Gnostic allegory?not if they don't touch on that topic
>>218170652that the world we inhabit is flawed and illusory and there are truer realms and entities beyond this one
>>218170652ever played morrowind?
>>218174090ascend where? eden was already heaven
>>218173129there are evil babies too you know. just put a few of them in a play pen and you will find out
>>218179263>it isn't just because... it isn't okay??
>>218181029I always love seeing these cop-out posts. >I can't be arsed to formulate an argument, but I'm also too petty to leave the conversation without having the last wordI was replying to a post dripping with political bias, so it's hypocritical to boot.
>>218181002The American revolution?
>>218181052>showing Job a vision of a dinosaur (behemoth) and therefore proving that He created them as wellBruh ...Also, did the trials strengthen the bond between God and Job's 10 children as well? It always seemed a bit odd to me that Job is so important that God is fine with dozens of innocent bystanders dying as collateral damage.
>>218181338yep there is no heaven, it will only exist if we make it.
>>218181633I was initially going to mention it in my first post, but decided against it. The American revolution was not destruction of the system. It was a regime change and reformation, but America kept the laws and structures that held society together and simply built upon them. It's more of an example of a system progressing and evolving towards something better, albeit there was violence involved.If things had gone differently, you could have had a total system breakdown, but the founding fathers walked the golden path, basically.Many European countries threw off absolute monarchy in the 1840's in peaceful and gradual transitions towards more democratic governance, that happened without any need for massacres or sweeping overnight changes. These are examples of systems progressing, and are in pretty stark contrast to what happened in Russia or China, for example.
>>218170652>>218181263It makes sense metaphysically speaking if you acknowledge non duality. > iykyn
It amazes me that people don’t understand the Bible is just a metaphor to try and do good things in life. No the Garden of Eden wasnt real, or Noah or Moses or any of that shit. Jesus was a real man though and he basically brought to life the metaphors of the Old Testament.
>>218173414Proved him wrong there with solid examples of non-Gnostic hollywood films
>>218183176God is the Universe and morality is his law. That's why the people who live by the law of God always create the strongest societies
