Prequels: >Darth Maul >Jango Fett >Count Dooku >General Grievous Sequels: >Kylo Ren >Captain Phasma? >... >...Everything George touched turned to gold. Every character design a story. Meanwhile nobody even remembers Phasma existed
>>218182226now if only these characters had any semblance of a story IN THE FUCKING MOVIES they wouldn't be such an ordeal to sit through
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>>218182250abloobloo
>Darth Maul >Jango Fett >Count Dooku >General Grievous None of these characters got to do shit, and were quickly cut down and forgotten about.
>>218182226you can tell disney is reliant on the prequels, they even had to bring back Ashoka, and all of their best movies take place between 3 and 4. disney should apologize to prequel fans.
>>218182226>Darth MaulBoring shit with literally no personality that people only remember because he looked cool>Jango FettLiterally a copy of Boba Fett>Count DookuA lame Dracula rip off that has no development and has absolutely no development or build up>General GrievousAn asthmatic pussy that runs away from every fight and does fuck all.>inb4 you like the sequelsFuck those movies. They're fucking garbage. That doesn't excuse the shit fucking writing and characters of the prequels
>>218182292The prequels have the interesting part of the worldbuilding of SW.If you actually look at the OT, all you really have is wilderness planets, military installations, and some very vague notion of how galactic politics, and the Jedi and Sith operate.
>>218182314In what way is Dooku a Dracula ripoff other than wearing a cloak and having the same initials?
>>218182442And when you look at the old EU, you can see they very quickly ran into walls with this stuff.How do you expand on the original trilogy? More Stormtroopers, I guess. Maybe you go hard into Boba Fett, because he was about the most interesting character presented that we didn't really know much about. Maybe you allude to the Clone Wars, which was one throwaway line in ANH.
>>218182459he'll say because it's Christopher Lee, except Christopher Lee plays Dracula completely differently to Dooku.
>>218182459Dressed in a dark cloak, was named COUNT, played by the guy who played Dracula from Hammer Films.
>>218182460In the Thrawn trilogy you seen them grappling with the idea of Luke being a full Jedi now, but having little material to work with on what Jedi actually do.>oh, I guess they keep the peace, because that was a line in the movie, so we'll include a scene where Luke has to de-escalate a fight in a casinoIt's all slightly clunky.
>>218182226Yes, shitty movies made with a semblance of passion are superior to soulless corpo-slop. That still doesn't mean those shitty movies are any good tho.
>>218182250They had the same amount of story Vader had in ANH. More, in Dooku's case.
>>218182274>Jango didn't get to do shit
>>218182226>Meanwhile nobody even remembers Phasma existedThe movie makers forgot she existed too.
I KNEEL, GEORGE
>>218182716>Maul was angryHe really wasn't. The film never shows him acting completely enraged. Hell he's more calm an collected than Obi-wan is in their fight>Count Dooku is a fallen jediSo? They do absolutely nothing with this aspect of his character. We don't see any conflict with his decisions to betray his order and he has no sort of unique characterization to even show how a Jedi might fall.>Grevious is a cyborgAnd that's literally it. You could unironically remove him from the film and nothing would change.
>>218182251>redditjakyou’re not doing a good job at fitting in, sukhdeep.
>>218182314you like the sequels
>>218182752>He really wasn'tBro he growls while he fights and seethes at Qui-Gon while they're separated and the latter meditates.>So?It's like poetry, it rhymes.>And that's literally itAnd he's cool and memorable.
>>218182226SW is just dumber version of LOTR.Everything george did, Tolkien did first and betterFall of Republic is just vorse verrsion of Fall of NumenorFall of Anakin is just dumber version of fall of Sauronman or any nazghoulAll the darths and general evils are just worse version of Orc's and NazghoulsOP is just a faggot
>>218182716Subhumans just ripped off interpretation of LOTR>Sauronman is evil Gandalf, but with nuances>Golum is evil Frodo, but with nuances>Nazghoul are evil Aragorn, but with nuances
yeah, I made a typo - vorse rather than worse.I just have allergic reaction to faggot ops
>>218182314Oh wow I wasn’t expecting a Sequels Fan in 2026. You know how common it is to see arguments for indefensible things that insist, “well both sides are evil.”
>>218182869both prequels and sequels are shit. Return of the Jedi is also borderline bad.Out of 9 movies, only two are good and of those, one was made by other people than Lucas. Out of 4 sw movies that lucas made, only one is ok - but only because he drew so much from other movies
>>218182226Star Wars villains have always sucked. They had cool designs, but that's it. Only Darth Vader got to have some depth and story, because Lucas decided that Star Wars needs to be the story of Darth Vader, and everything else is subservient to it. Everyone else is a non-character, merely an irrelevant plot device/obstacle, and it took hundreds of hours of cartoons and thousands of pages of fanfiction written by other people after the fact to make a small portion people care. But from the movies only, they are all paper thin, boring and downright pathetic. I am sick of Star Wars and its fans at this point. It's all vanilla kiddy shit for 12 year olds made to sell merchandise, and you people just endlessly argue about the gradations of shit, failing to see that it's still shit nonetheless.
>>218182442replace sith with 'bad guys' then sure. the word 'sith' doesn't appear in the OT at all
Kylo Ren never gave kino like this, enough said:https://youtu.be/d1yQnKzppL8?si=ey2CNbmLy_3PhXY1
>>218182314>a copy of Boba FettHe's Boba but actually, you know, good.Boba Fett:>captures Han for Jabba>stands around doing fuck-all for half an hour>when Luke starts killing people he decides it's a great idea to use his jetpack to *fly into melee range* so he can get his rifle cut by a laser sword>no rockets, no flamethrower, no nothing>*a blind man with a stick* manages to defeat himJango Fett:>recruited by a man called Tyranus, on one of the moons of Bogdan>assumed from the above that he must've been the best damn bounty hunter in the galaxy if he was chosen to be *the* man for the job by Dooku and thus Sidious>becomes the template for the entire clone army>beats the shit out of a Force user in Obi-Wan using a wide variety of tools: flamethrower, blasters, grenades, hand to hand, gauntlet spikes, you name it>kills Coleman Trebor>oneshots a Reek>gets a ludo PS2 videogame>his blasters produce the sexiest SFX known to manhttps://youtu.be/f3SJoXFhZfY?t=25Jango won.
>>218182898>one was made by other people than LucasOh no, he fell for internet bait.
>>218182898It’s fascinating how you can talk yourself into thinking an entire movie series is shit.
>>218182226>wahhh my toys are better than those toys
>>218183479He's not wrong though. The prequels are shit, the sequels are shit, and ROTJ is incredibly flawed.
>>218182226The villains in the prequels were all pointless. Why does Grevious even exist? Sell toys?
>>218182226>Kylo has more development than all prequel villains at the same timeDayum
>>218183479Why the fuck not?What’s so special about this garbage that I should lie to myself and say it’s good?There are dozens of much better sci-fi books, many better sci-fi movies, and hundreds of kino sci-fi episodes.
>>218183691>Kylo has [...] developmentlmao
>>218183814Yes, Lucas is a terrible writer.
>>218182226>Darth Maul >Jango Fett >Count Dooku >General GrievousExcept Dooku all of them were one-dimensional one-liner jobbers with cool designs and fight scenes (in the movies at least)
>>218183841What development does Kylo have? And I mean actual development, informed by events on-screen, not constant flipflopping depending on which director is making which movie.
>>218182274>takes on two Jedi at once, killing one of them>literally just a dude with a huge arsenal of tools and weapons that he uses to go toe-to-toe with a Jedi knight, coming very close to succeeding, with the Jedi barely slinking away with his life>formed a large alliance of shady actors into a unified resistance against the predominate government in the galaxy, constructs a neverending army of murderbots, and takes on 3 Jedi in a row before escaping Grievous is the only dud in the group, but he gets a pass anyway for looking cool as all holy shit.
>>218183874Well you see, first he's evil then he's good then he's evil then he's good then he doesn't know what he is then he kisses Rey then he dies.
>>218183926Don't forget being beaten by Rey "no training" Nobody after he had trained for 15 years under both Luke and Snoke. I kneel, J.J.
>>218183874>is divided between power and legacy>tries to kill legacy by killing his parents>realizes this is only destroying him, returns to light
>>218183676>Why does Grevious even exist?To be the fall guy for Sidious as the CIS leader and the general of the droid army.
>>218183957>Ignores he was shot in the gut>Ignores he was bleeding out>ignores he already exerted himself knocking out Rey and fighting Finn>Ignores he got stabbed by Finn>Ignores he's fighting in a freezing blizzard>ignore he's clearly not fighting as well as he did at the beginning of the film when he can hold back a blaster boltLook I fucking hate the sequels but at least be accurate with your criticisms.
>>218184293>Ignores he was shot in the gut I thought dark side users get stronger through pain?>Ignores he was bleeding out He doesn't bleed until he punches himself in the gut. Again, because feeling pain makes him stronger.>ignores he already exerted himself knocking out Rey and fighting Finn You're telling me Anakin's grandson trained by both the best light side and dark side Force users in the galaxy for 15 years who can hold a blaster bolt in place for an indefinite amount of time was exhausted by... Force pushing once and defeating a dude that never used a lightsaber in his life?>Ignores he got stabbed by Finn But he didn't.>Ignores he's fighting in a freezing blizzard ...so is Rey. You know, the chick wearing desert clothes while Kylo's dressed all in several layers of black.>ignore he's clearly not fighting as well as he did at the beginning of the filmYeah that's the issue that I highlighted, anon.
>>218182570Maul legitimately had less dialogue than the average Stormtrooper. Nevermind having "a story", he barely deigns above the level of plot device.
>>218183676>Sell toys?Mainly yes- hence why the brief for the miniseries was to make him actually cool- but also because Obi-wan needed something to do in the second act so he didn't just disappear off the screen until Mustafar, and George at that time primarily wrote around action setpieces.
>>218183968>divided between legacy and power But his legacy *had* power. His uncle is Luke Skywalker. His grandpa was the Chosen One. Dude was ""seduced by the dark"" but unlike Anakin we don't ever actually find out how and why almost as if the reason was cut because it came from George's version of the ST.
>>218184409>He doesn't bleed until he punches himself in the gut.The moment he shows up he's bleeding. Anon shut the fuck up. You're ignoring shit just to have a reason to hate one of the only non-shitty plot points of the film.
>>218182226>Prequels:>>Darth Maul>>Jango Fett>>Count Dooku>>General Grievousno one gives a FUCK about any of that
>>218184409>This faggot unironically thinks a dude that got shot in the gut is going to be able to fight as well as in his top conditions I bet you think you drive as well drunk as you do sober.
>>218182946im sure sheev used it in rotj saying how the sith shall rule the galaxy and then we shall have peace
>>218184690Maul played his role as an enforcer, a tool; a young brash Sith to go toe to toe with Jedi for the first time in a millennium, who speaks more through actions than words. He's an extension of Sidious' will, not an agent with a will of his own like Vader is revealed to be at the end of Empire.
>>218182250fpbp
>>218184826That's a nice pic, now show the action Kylo does literally four seconds before the camera pans down you disingenuous retard.>>218184862>this faggot unironically thinks it makes sense for a desert rat that's fought off a couple drunk dudes here and there with a staff could defeat a someone that has trained in the Force and lightsab combat for nearly 20 years
>>218185003Anon a kid with a new license is gonna drive better than a drunk with 20 years experience.
>>218183691bad development.>dude, I have a bad dream and my uncle tried to kill me>so I killed all my classmates, and I joined the empire>but the empire are nerds, so I'm going to destroy the empire actually>JK, now I'm leading them>now Luke is here to kick my ass and tell me he hates me, even though this is all kind of his fault, and he should probably apologise >also I love Rey, maybe. No real reason. I knew her for two seconds>was I a good guy in the end? NoWhat a great character.
>>218185082(1/2)>she isn't trained and he is>but he is wounded!>but he is angry and talented>but she's (some-fucking-how) learned a lot!>but he's trained by Luke and Snoke>but she's used a staff before(?)But you can SEE, in shots like https://youtu.be/FJTz-ahXyyI?t=127 and for the next minute that despite Kylo's injury he is clearly fully functional in the fight and pushing Rey back. Is it fair to say the wound is slowing him down at all? Would you not say he is using it to his advantage? If anything, the idea that he's weak here is not very wellfounded, it's just what people cling to because it is absolutely needed to have the scene maintain *any* coherency at all. Rey's constantly on the defensive and Kylo pushing her to the edge of a cliff locking sabers.Rey, at this point, has been told the *name* of the Force. Until yesterday, she though Luke Skywalker was a myth. But because the Star Wars theme plays in the background and she closes her eyes really really hard, she can beat Luke's protegé, Snoke's apprentice, the master of the Knights of Ren and (as of next day) the Supreme Leader of the First Order. The scene comes across as Rey being handed even more power to defeat a guy who has trained for potential decades with two of the most powerful entities in the universe, while Luke three years after ANH still had to heavily concentrate to get the lightsaber off the ice or his ship off the swamp. Training? Natural growth? Consistent power levels? What's that? Rey wins by doing something she has nocontext for.
>>218185082>>218185360(2/2)And how does it result in her beating Kylo? He has shown again and again that he has insane power. It's forgotten here. And the excuse is what?>He's bleedingEven when one of the most enemy dismantling uses of the Force he has committed to (pushing Rey up a tree and knocking her out) was after the bleeding. Again, look at https://youtu.be/FJTz-ahXyyI?t=127. How is the bleeding doing anything to make him worse than someone who's never operated a lightsaber? Kylo, the dude characterized in part for being almost obsessed with beingtrained with attaining power. Rey's the one lacking any experience in this format. The decision to have her win essentially every fight against him only ever helped bring down his standing and cause incongruity for who *wasn't* supposed to be a laughing stock moving forward. Her winning was simply in aid of a result.There is nothing to make Rey vs Kylo satisfactory from a narrative standpoint. Rey should have lost this fight or have it break with the separation of land or bring in someone to save her. You cannot have her defeat Kylo without substantial changes. The story you have built to this moment demands her loss. Instead, we have her standing triumphant over the evildoer for the sole reason that good guys win, ending it with a strike to his face, which in reality just like Finn, happens to not really do all that much damage at all. She managed to cut a shallow line that far across his face with a lightsaber, and it ends up doing near nothing by the time we travel mere hours forward.How incredibly lucky for him. How incredibly lucky for everyone involved.Directed by J.J. Abrams.
>>218182250Maul didn't even need a story other than scary sith dude who kills your master.
>>218185473Maul is effectively there to just be the most straight forward depiction of a Sith lord that you can have.He's black and red, and evil, and a super tough fighter.If you think about it, all we had to represent the Sith up to this point is Vader (who is Jedi turncoat and a half fucked cyborg), and Palpy (who is a withered old man). We actually didn't really know what a "normal" Sith looked like.
>>218185513Also important to add that George wants new viewers to watch Episode 1 first. So yeah, the purpose of Maul is literally to just establish the idea of the Sith. So you have a frame of reference when Anakin then becomes one two movies later.
>>218182314>First three minutes of the filmPadme: “there’s a powerful politician standing in opposition to my goals within the Republic named Count Dooku. I’m certain he was the one who just tried to murder me.”> ominous mystery and curiosity intensifiesWindu: “That’s impossible, m’lady. Count Dooku was once a Jedi Knight, he would never do that. He’s just a bit. . . extreme in his beliefs.”> curiosity intensifies tenfold>Dooku finally appearsObi-wan: “Dooku!? By God, you’re behind this? You’ve become a DARK LORD OF THE SITH?”>curiosity intensifiesDooku: “Nonsense, Obi-Wan. I would think you would trust me since I was the one who trained your former Master Qui-Gon Jin on how to be a Jedi Knight. If only he were here now to stand by my side as I know I would be able to convince him to. Let me explain the Emperor’s plan to you in detail and cause shit to really hit the fan from this moment forward.”>curiosity intensifies tenfold>After shit has hit the fan and Dooku proves himself a badass and curiosity intensifies againDooku: “Yoda, my former Jedi Master. So now we fight to the death.”Yoda: “Fuck your shit, I will.”>curiosity intensifiesHe was handled beautifully
>>218182274>>218182314Dooku is the most important person in the story and an incredibly interesting story mechanic, you’re just not appreciating it for what it was at the time or in what Lucas trusted you would think about afterwards.Dooku is interesting primarily because the concept of a Jedi being able to quit the order or hold some kind of political office, let alone go rogue and become a Sith was really unconfirmed at the time. Only the latter thing had ever happened before and it seemed like Vader could’ve been the only one, so seeing Dooku brought a lot to the world. You also get a lot of cool context for the characters as you realize the reason Qui-Gon was so unlike other Jedis is because he had Dooku filling his head with his own disillusionment with the Jedi order, and it’s scary to think if Qui-Gon was still alive he may have possibly defected with Dooku. It also vicariously makes him responsible for Anakin leaving Tattoine in the first place because no other Jedi would’ve ever thought to bring a child that was too old to start training off the planet with them to force the Council to accept him as a Padawan.You also see how even one of Yoda's apprentices can be corrupted by the Sith, something that was a common complaint about: "Well, why wouldn't Yoda just train Anakin? Then he'd never go evil." and what it’s like when a Master Jedi turns to the Dark Side. You have to really read their dynamic but you can tell Dooku gets way too powerful much quicker than Sidious anticipates, so he has to quickly kill him off without Dooku realizing what he’s doing at the beginning of Episode III because he can now potentially kill Palpatine himself or at least expose him, and being an established Master at his prime is too mature to bent to Sidious's will, forcing him to placate him as though they're "business partners."There’s a lot of great material there to dig into. If the IP was in better hands he laid the groundwork for many amazing stories.
>>218185360>>218185381>Writing all of this just to cope that you unironically think Drunk drivers are better drivers because they have experience
>>218186012I will accept the concession, fren.
Why the fuck are ppl arguing about garbage. Irl knights, Samurai, martial artists etc train since childhood. Pilots usually train for few years before going to war.Both like and Rey are garry/marry sue
>>218182460Hacks with no imagination:> Luke with a small band of Jedi maybe a dozen strong> Grappling with trying to train them all, since he's the only one left, but Jedi are supposed to be trained one on one not as a group and he got a fast tracked crash course on top of it so it's quite a struggle. > Worried about screwing it up and sending some half cocked novice off into situations they aren't prepared for with tools they don't understand while simultaneously having to push baby birds out of the nest and trust them to fly. > Struggling to find a balance between: "no worldly attachments/trust in the force" and "feels too strongly/impose my will"> Jedi have to prove themselves to a galaxy that's forgotten them and carve out their niche in a world no longer designed for them that's also rewriting the rulebook on how it works now that the Empire is destroyed. > Jedi acting as special agents/US Marshalls and pursuing their own agenda while power vacuum causes much infighting among temnants of the Empire, various gangster factions, indifferent Outer Rim planets, and even splinters within the New Republic. It's perhaps the most interesting setting in the entire franchise yet no one seems to realize it.
>>218185923"He's a political idealist, not a murderer"
>>218183121The Jango videogame was so kino
>>218183968> I killed my parents but I realized that was dumb so let's all just forget about that lolThis is one of the problems with the Sequel Trilogy's writing. It's asinine and doesn't take itself seriously. Why would anyone trust this guy and anyone who could actually murder their parents is a messed up person who isn't coming back from that. He's never even upset about it or like: "what have I done?">>218184293If only he could just choke people with his mind...
>>218185082> a kid with a new license is gonna drive better than a drunk with 20 years experienceDisagree
>>218186012They are. I could drive better drunk than a kid who hasn't ever driven a car before. That's why it's legal to drink with a certain amount of alcohol in your system but not legal to drive without a license.
If they're all shit why does it matter? Who the fuck wants a darth maul or jango fett series. Lame ass niggers.
>>218187804>Who the fuck wants a Darth Maul [anything]Me
>>218187804Jango and Boba need way more good shit that isn't Jango being a lame faggot and Boba being a literal faggot (fuck BoBF). 1313 looked good but got canned for being too basedMaul is overrated and you have plenty of good EU content with him, TCW bringing him back was a mistake
George understood that he could get away with his autistic love stories and bad dialogue if everything else looked 10/10 fucking cool. Disney apparently lost that memo that this shit needs to all be spectacular to look at. The lightsaber isn't cool because its like the mythic ligjtsaber its cool because its a glowing sword that sounds like a muscle car when you turn it on
>>218185360The force awakens is a mess, kylro ren is overpowered to the point hes basically unstoppable, until the ending, where he's suddenly not strong enough to kill, rey, finn. Remember he's able to put people to sleep with a wave of his hand.
>>218187804>Who the fuck wants a darth maul or jango fett seriesLiterally everyone? It's hard not to like them after all the EU did to expand on them.
He sure turned those action figures into gold for himself.
>>218187969I thought we all agreed the villians looked cool but were lame. George has a fetish for writing lame villians. Look at what he did to Vader in the prequels just a lame bitch in the end.
>>218182226How long do you plan to fixate on children's entertainment? At some point you have to grow up.
>>218182226For me it's Durge, though he's only on the extra materials. Thriving EU was the biggest sign that Prequels definitely had a fertile soil for other creators to work on.
Who was he pre-retcon?
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>>218186565>People are unironically defending drunk driving to shit on the sequels
>>218182226It's funny how some random ass stormtrooper that fought Finn in TFA completely outclassed Phasma as a memorable, badass character.
