is method acting a form of mental illness?
How did he stay up for three days? Did he just go on a coke binge?
>>218198497>(((hoffman))) probably some super secret jewish medication
>>218198368It's cope for a lack of talent
>>218198368>I want to experience what this character goes through to better inform my acting Haha, what a loser, imagine actually trying to get experience so your portrayal is more authentic
how was one day not enough
>>218198368
Why is his name pronounced Olivi-AYE when it spelled like Oliver?
>>218198945This is as retarded as saying that in order to portray a meth addict in a movie, you need to do meth yourself. Genuinely, how fucking stupid are you?
>>218199184In my 20s I would've been an extremely convincing alcoholic masturbater. Uncanny really
>>218199184Doing meth is its own reward really.
>>218199135Because it's not spelled like Oliver but Olivier? That extra "i" makes a difference.
>>218198368All I know is that the loss of a degree of stylization in acting, even minimal, made movies worse and more boring
>>218198497Jews are liars. It was probably one night of coke.
>>218199135It's French.
>>218198368>>218198497the way I heard the story is Hoffman right before shooting a scene ran until he was panting in order to act like he was out of breath from running. That's when Olivier said "my dear boy, why don't you try acting."
>>218199135You wouldn't understand because you don't eat snails, loser.
>>218198888why do method actors make up the vast majority of exceptional actors then?
>>218200848They don’t, method actors are reddits favorite actors though.
>>218199184Man I could go for some meth right now
>>218200091Tbf: acting like you're out of breath sounds sillier and harder than just taking a short sprint.
>>218200848They don’t. They get a good press bump though because people think that doing stupid shit like living in the woods and eating nothing but bark and semen for three months is impressive. It’s an anecdote that creates buzz because people think this bullshit is evidence of “dedication”. Soft brained tards buy into the hype and think the pageantry = good, but it’s all just marketing.
>>218200997Tbf: being able to do it convincingly so it doesn’t seem silly despite not actually being out of breath is what separates good acting from bad acting.
>>218202895>like living in the woods and eating nothing but bark and semen for three monthstbf if that's not dedication then i don't know what is
>>218199184That’s a good point. Other actors have also pointed out that method acting is often an excuse for people to act reprehensibly. Jared Leto uses it as an excuse to send used condoms to cast mates, but he didn’t get addicted to heroin for Requiem For a Dream. I’d almost (almost) respect him more if he had. It seems more like a get out of jail free card for being a creep.
>>218200091That’s the story I’d heard too
I think all actors do what was considered the method. At first it was "what would I do if I was in that situation" then it was "I will research my role so I know what it's like". Being in role for 24/7 is just fucking stupid. I understand talking in a certain accent so that you don't slip, but even with that you're pretending so why not just learn the lines with that accent so it's just unnecessary work.
>>218204782Also do you really need to know what it is like, if you can just do what it says in the script. It's not like actors who kill someone on screen kill someone in real life to know what it's like. You're just trying to show an emotion, doesn't matter if you actually feel it or not. You might be thinking about what you're going to eat for lunch and make your face look like you're feeling something.
>>218198368>is method acting a form of mental illness?if it was mental illness, it wouldn't be acting anymore (method or otherwise), would it?now on to the bonus situation...
>>218200997Right, that's what makes it bad acting. Olivier was based.
>>218198945there is a difference between authenticity and delusion... just look at Klaus Kinsky, he's delusional alright but authentic? he plays himself for fuck's sake... there's a difference between "authentic" and "playing yourself" as the latter is just a "one-trick pony authentic"same with Udo Kier>>218199184>in order to portray a meth addict in a movie, you need to do meth yourselfprobably yes, multiple times, or at least hang out a couple of months with meth addicts
>>218198368I honestly can’t imagine how insufferable it must be have to work with a method actor.
>>218204956>can’t imagineif you've met IRL criminals, you cansame thingin their head they aren't even lying, just "acting" (I read this in actual surveillance transcripts)... if everybody says "it's all a game bro" know that they'd sell you out for a bottle of sods... or just for lulz
>>218204956>oh NOOO I have to dress up in a costume and say words and this guy isn't taking out his phone when the camera stops, h-h-he's...reading a book and smoking a pipe?!?!?!?!
>>218198368If you aren't willing to commit then I won't take you seriously and you need to get another job.
>>218205040>>218205065>
>>218198945Imagine lacking the native capacity for cognitive empathy
>>218200091>In an interview on Inside the Actors Studio, Hoffman said that this exchange had been distorted; that he had been up all night at a nightclub for personal rather than professional reasons, and Olivier, who was aware of this, was merely jokingIt was a joke
>>218200091>Hoffmanis that the actor who went full retard?>Top 10 Method Actors who NEVER RETURNED to Real Life
>>218205405>cognitive empathywhile you are theoretically right, practically an actor does not have the time to experience everything he or she should before commuting to a role (and not even afterwards)otherwise there would be TONS of actors and EVEN MORE character actors... yet in reality the number of half-decent actors, both film and theater, is incredibly small
>>218200958I hear that
>>218199184Methed acting
>>218206530Cheesed to meth you
>>218206091Perhaps you should google the definition of cognitive empathy (vs affective)
>>218204822>do you really need to know what it is likeI think method acting is bullshit, but being able to really put yourself in the headspace of a character will help sell a performance. Simply reciting lines and "acting scared" (assuming that's what the scene calls for) is what shitty actors do and one of the reasons their performance isn't believable. Really great performances tend to be when a character is able to reproduce extremely subtle things that people actually do when they're afraid. Everyone tends to think this is easy because they've all FELT afraid, but they don't understand the nuance of how their voice actually sounds, how their body moves, etc, when they're afraid. They know what it feels like, and they know what it looks like, but they don't know how to reproduce those mannerisms on command in a way that tricks people into thinking they're actually feeling that emotion. Method acting is one way to go about harnessing that, but I'd argue it's far more impressive when an actor can really examine themselves plus study other people to understand all the things people do when they are feeling a specific emotion, and then use bits and pieces of that strategically to elicit specific emotions from viewers. Method actors need to actually be afraid to play fear. Actual actors can just pull that shit out on demand.
>>218207996if acting is so le hard...why is there child actors? Hollywood glorifies actors like if they were these 200 IQ professionals when in reality they should barely above thieves and prostitutes in the social hierarchy scale. certainly not above merchants
>>218199184I mean, if you want to be convincing, you should at the very least talk to a real methhead. Nicolas Cage became an alcoholic for Leaving Las Vegas.
>>218199135>His great-great-grandfather was of French Huguenot descent, and Olivier came from a long line of Protestant clergymen
>>218207191perhaps you should recognize the fact that you are mentally retarded
>>218198368The irony here is that in his youth Olivier was known for doing ridiculously dangerous shit on stage, like falling backwards off a high platform and trusting his castmates to catch and dangle him by the ankles with zero safety measures in place. In the movie version of Othello he faceplants in a way that looks incredibly painful and not at all simulated. This is the guy who chastens you for going the extra mile?
de niro, hoffman, ddl, etc are talentless actors that's for sure, idk why this is a controversial opinion
>>218211323if he had stopped at his peak (taxi driver) he could have inspired thousands of actors, no wait millions, to stop at their peak... and stop ruining movies
>>218199621Example?
>>218212243not that anon and not necessarily about acting but I agree with that anonlook for example at the Dollars Trilogy: everything from acting to montage is loosey-goosey but the result is tight as a drumin contrast, modern film-making (which has "do 9999 takes and tinker with it forever" enabled by default) has every individual component overcooked while the result is loosey-goosey
>>218198368Yes, but it can also work as a publicity stunt.
>>218211480Ruining movies by being exemplary in them? You let your magafeefees get in the way of your brain functions, fatchild.
>>218202942Acting specific things takes research. You could gather material, watch a bunch of out of breath people, and practice until it comes out naturally. Or you could just take two minutes before shooting and actually be out breath. It seems like such a useless particular skill to develop.
Marathon Man is a terrible film btw don’t waste your time
>>218204956Val Kilmer made his custard wear a ring because of some background he made. The ring wasnt even visible. It was on that lex luthor podcast.
>>218209176I have seen how unnatural people get when the camera points to them. It is a skill and talent.
>>218212412This guy doesnt fuck.
>>218212599lmao. no its not. you literally just act human. WOW.
>>218209176Because they need to portray child characters. They're still agreed to be generally terrible.
>>218212499Val used to be really fucking intense. The Zucker Bros figured it was bc like a lot of method actors, he came from the stage where there werent so many fucking insane things to knock you out of character every 2 seconds everywhere you’d look in every scene, to contend with, but after shooting with them & all their crazy Top Secret antics, he was like holy fuck i need to do anything and everything to stay in character and maintain continuity bc this shits nuts.And they actually loved him rather a lot.
>>218212384>fuck your movie, i'm going to be EXEMPLARY in ityeah, I think you got the idea
>>218199184>implying that someone who's been a meth addict wouldn't be better at portraying a meth addict than someone who's never done drugs
>>218205977Rainman did NOT go full retard, you missed the point of the joke.
>>218213582he did, he spoke like a retard during his oscar speech
