>retake various key positions in the kingdom like Osgiliath and Ithilien>disrupt Sauron's forces and hold him off from the rest of Middle Earth>some shmuck from nowhere lays claim to the throne>you remember the last time someone did that, he caused a bloody civil warhe literally did nothing wrong
Is he as blatantly evil and retarded in the books as well? Is the>hurrr I'm gonna burn my son alivething there, too?
>>218200955The book explains that Denethor had been mindfucked and demoralized over a long period of time by Sauron via one of those orbs
>>218200955In the books, he's written more sympathetic. His interests really are with Gondor. The last person who claimed he was the heir of the throne started a civil war that ended in a lot of bloodshed.That being said, he did want to burn himself, alongside Faramir. He's stopped by Beregond, who fights his way through the guards to stop him. A character that never appeared in the movies.But Denethor never said to flee, to abandon post, nor did Gandalf beat him with a staff. In the books his mind was slowly being corrupted by a palantir, this took years. Something to respect in lore because a Maiar got instantly corrupted using one.Denethor also didn't like Aragorn because Aragorn served his father, and was the better captain. Causing Denethor to get the faramir treatment. In the books he never was a shitbag to his son either.
>>218200955>I'm gonna burn my son aliveI thought he was dead already?
>>218199932He is practically an amalgamof kreon and croesus
>>218201084Boromir was dead but Faramir wasn't
>>218201097NTA but Faramir was in a coma type thing, no? I also thought Denethor presumed him to be dead
>>218201052Based reader, would sit by the fireplace and read with.I had a probably over a 10 year gap between reading LotR for the last time, and watching the trilogy for the first time (last year, if you believe it). I did not remember all details from the books at that point, but Denethor's treatment in the movie never sat well with me.Just finished re-reading LotR again a couple of months ago by the way.
>>218199932>>218200955Broadly speaking, he was possessed by a devil/deamon. His mind was not his own.This leads to another question. Gandalf used exorcism on Theodoen, so why not on Denethor?
>>218201127>Gandalf used exorcism on Theodoen, so why not on Denethor?His brain was rotten. But to speak in theory, Rohan was a kingdom of a bunch of peasants and farmers that loved horses. Denethor's guard was made up by gigachads with numenorean blood with decades of fighter experience. They'd murder Gandalf on the spot if he tried to do the same thing with Theoden.
>>218201155Sound reasoning but eru wouldn't let gandalf die unless it was his fate to die at that time
>>218201155>They'd murder Gandalf on the spotCome on, there would be a flash of light and all their armor and weapons would instantly heat up to 1000 degrees
>>218201109He was severely injured from a failed suicide mission to retake Osgiliath
>>218202565>failed suicide mission>still aliveFaramir really was a fuck up wasn't he
>>218200955No, in the books he is competent. He lights the beacons himself before Gandalf and Pippin even get to Gondor, and has civilians evacuate the city
>>218201127The palantir doesn't possess people who use it. They just get demoralized bc Sauron can show them anything he wants
>>218200955No. He basically gets dripfed demoralisation by Sauron for 40 years straight until the blow at Pelennor Fields where he believes his last son is dead and the forces of Gondor cannot defeat the massive host which mindbreaks him. He held on for decades and was the man effectively leading the forces of Gondor and commanding them and had the belief he would be the one to finally defeat Sauron. His distrust of Aragon is that he might nuke Gondor and they would lose.
>>218201016Going by the dates it is possible that he saw a halfling (Frodo) getting captured.
>>218199932>he literally did nothing wrongHe ate cherry tomatoes in medieval Europe before they had been brought over from the new world. Fuck him
>>218203953These were vegetables that are related to tomatoes, not actual tomatoes, just as potatoes hobbits eat are another plant of the nightshade family that is translated as potato because of convinience.
>>218203953ME is explicitly not medieval Europe and conflating the two is a mistake
>>218201052>In the books he never was a shitbag to his son either.He still does the whole 'It'd been better had you had died rather than Boromir' shtick mind, even if it's not as poignant
>>218203953the tomatoes came from Valinor
Bump
>>218202635https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SSOTm0hEDQ
