>>218201203
quark

>>218201203
DS9
>hierarchy
>meritocracy
>self-improvement
So not woke.
Also, all of these examples are meme-tier non-canon.

>>218201203
>>218201254
It's literally Rom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87NQ5LC1uGk

>>218201203
Star Trek has always been communist fantasy

>>218201276
>Also, all of these examples are meme-tier non-canon.
In what way is Kira Nerys not a bisexual terrorist?

>>218201290
how the FUCK is that a himbo

>>218201316
He's fucking retarded but he has big lobes so he gets all the bajoran bitches and scored himself the hottest wife

>>218201203
what a fucking tourist thinking non-Mirror Kira was bi and Bashir and Garak were fags
I have no fucking clue who the "communist himbo" is. by the process of elimination I guess Worf. makes no fucking sense.

>>218201329
>non-Mirror Kira was bi
The mirror universe makes you gay?

>>218201300
Is this why For Bread and Circuses proves Jesus exists and Kirk brings the US Constitution to savage civilizations?

>>218201290
I need to rewatch DS9

>>218201345
Among other things.

>>218201309
Kira is one of the weakest parts of DS9 so it's not really a defense of the show to bring her up.

>>218201358
I mean you just hate women so I don't know why you're watching a show with women in it and then crying

She wasn't a bisexual...

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>>218201345
The Mirror Universe is the sexy fan-service universe and it has been since TOS.

>>218201203
>heh DS9 is so woke
>so you approve of this thinly veiled and poorly executed jesus metaphor?
>no religion is stoopid I just think it might make my political opponents mad
Every day I wake up and I thank God for making my enemies this retarded

>>218201386
Which god? The god of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel?

>>218201346
Jesus exists in the Family Guy universe and they talk about muh constitution too. Does that mean it's not a shitlib show?

>>218201386
Most people that aren’t raised with religion can appreciate the Bible from a literary and historical perspective. It’s the Christians turned atheist that have a problem with religion.

Dax is quite literally the opposite of a "transperson", btw.
Dax assumes the gender of their current body. Not once did she say "I'm a man, actually".
Also the Dax symbiote, and Jadzia are distinct individuals, who form a composite individual.
Good job understanding the characters in this show you haven't seen.

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>>218201399
>Abraham
>Israel

>>218201203
Star Trek has always been progressive, she's not wrong on that count. That's what has given Star Trek its trademark bland and limp-wristed quality.

>>218201411
Yeah, only people raised christian have a problem with jew worshippers trying to impose their death cult on humanity and take away our liberties in the name of a semitic cow deity.

>>218201203
>2022
>Literally Who: I have an opinion
Fuck off

>>218201409
Family Guy making fun of Jesus and Star Trek having Jesus save an entire planet from slavery is not the same thing.

>>218201418
Oh, so you reject Abraham and Jacob/Israel? Wonderful! Let's hear it.

>>218201346
The Federation is literally space socialism.

>>218201300
Point me to the troon character of tos then?

>>218201429
What I’m saying is that people born atheist just see religion as a dumb thing that exists and they’re capable of judging the people participating in the religion on an individual basis. Thinking “this person was born within religion, so I can’t blame them for believing” is different from “I saw the lies, why can’t these retards?”

Also, Benjamin frequently calls Dax "old man", in a way that's written off as quirky.
That's a micro-aggression, by modern standards.

>>218201443
Why are the space socialists anti alcohol? Drinking is a commie’s favorite activity.

>>218201371
Kira is a boring and dumb character among a cast of well written, thought out, and acted characters. She is a sore thumb sticking out just like you CC foid.

>>218201375
Evil universe episodes suggest as much as if the butch haircut wasn't a give away

>>218201443
>no wealth redistribution
>socialism
based retard

>>218201448
Trannyism wasn't even a thing until like 2010. Leftists made fun of them before that. Saying 20th century people weren't 'communist' because they weren't into trannies is insane. There were entire communist governments around that weren't into trannies.

>>218201203
>Black Jesus
Who is also a hardass military leader
>Bisexual terrorist
Who is also a devout space christian
>Trans Worm,Doctor Twink and Fashion Lizard
Just actual fanfiction, the only way you describe these characters like that is if you only have a passing knowledge of the show
>Traumatized Goo
How is that woke? Also, he's a literal fascist who only didn't have curfews and stricter security because Sisko didn't let him
>Communist Himbo
If you count Rom as a "himbo" the word means nothing at all
>Pro-Union Irishman
Who is also an actual racist
Yeah, super woke guys.

>>218201494
literally a different character.
Mirror universe Kirk was a murderous warlord. Kind of the point of the mirror universe.

The politics of Star Trek is the belief that liberalism, people making their own judgments and choices, is compatible with socialism, prioritising group concerns for greater benefit for everyone. It depends on people being good, hard working, caring people like the ones depicted in Star Trek. Current woke communism is an authoritarian anti-liberal ideology that depends on forcing white people to care for and act like equality exists between them and spiteful niggers and ungrateful spastics through shame and terror. The fact these people act like they can't see the difference between classic Star Trek and new Star Trek makes discussion with them impossible which is what they want because they're only intended in shaming and terrorising people into compliance with their ideology.

>>218201535
You can tell Star Trek ds9 is leftist fiction because the characters are imperfect.

Why do Americans always confuse communism and liberalism?

>>218201530
I was reliably told that wasn't real communism.
Communism is trannies and immigrants, you cannot be against those things and be a communist.

>>218201300
The federation is the 19th century British empire minus the genocide and warmongering and with endless resources.

Star Trek also never claims that political ideology ever had any impact on the improvement of mankind, it's all the result of technological progress.

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>>218201590
Communism is a purely fiscal philosophy. Contemporary idpol has nothing to do with it.

>>218201569
Because communists love to claim the ideals of liberalism as long as it benefits them.

>>218201553
So STD is not leftist because characters are perfect?

>>218201634
It’s has less in common with other communist literature for sure.

>>218201629
Not really. Shaping society into fitting into said fiscal ideology plays a huge part in it.

>>218201569
Ever wondered why the term "classic liberalism" exists, implying it was the original liberalism? And the "liberalism" Americans know is the total opposite of it? It's like calling a cat "dog" and a dog "classic dog".

>>218201624
I genuinely don’t think that any other economic system would work for a massive spacefaring species. What stops a disgruntled worker in a capitalist space empire from suicide ramming a ship into a planet at lightspeed?

>>218201624
Aliens have been here for years, and they put chips in people, and steal cow anuses for some reason

>>218201642
What is the other communist literature, Ivan?

>>218201629
Things change, as a progressive, you'd think you'd understand that.

>>218201548
So it's just gaga brain childish fantasy.
>When we have communism everyone will live in total abundance and will just do the right thing all the time and we've all be in peace and harmony!!
Also the idea that communism or any form of leftism has ever been about freedom and letting people do what they want is retarded. You are just typing up vomit.

>>218201203
Why cant the left understand the difference between something being forced or not? This shit just wasnt being pushed constantly in the in the 90s, so no one cared if it was on tv. You dumb idiots and your crybaby chung tears messed up.

>>218201629
LMAO
Try actually reading marxs drivel you imbecile.

>>218201661
Because workers under communism are known to be less disgruntled or something? The fuck are you even trying to say?

>>218201629
You don't see how the belief in the abolition of social classes has become a belief in the abolition of racial and sexual categories as distinct also? You may refer to some old book of true and pure communism that supports your belief there, but if you speak with the people who actually identify as communists, you're talking rubbish, and that's what matters: what the people using the label actually believe.

>>218201645
The assumption is that a lot of the work works itself out when the fiscal issues are addressed. Sure it’s more complex than that, but the priority is the fiscal position.

>>218201673
yeah, the "let everyone do what they like" ideology is Libertarianism, which hard leftists despise because they don't believe in taxes or social programs.

>>218201569
There is no difference. All "communists" believe every bit of woke shit, all the way through. They just want slightly higher taxes, but everything else is the same.

itt: retarded lefties thinking post-scarcity utopia is "socialism"
kek

>>218201516
They quite literally have free food, healthcare and housing and jobs granted by the state. They are a utopian socialist society that can use their advanced tech to generate free shit at the cost of energy they have vast amounts of. Thats why they are always shocked when they go to more primitive societies where resources need to be allocated in ways that don’t provide for everyone.

>>218201624
>>218201661
You have actual shit in your brain. Communism is hell on earth wherever it has existed.
>The le disgruntled le worker!!
That is the least of every problem that anyone has ever faced. Workers were much happier under capitalist systems than communist ones, btw.

>>218201679
We’re talking about a hypothetical functioning society, not a real one. Space capitalism would still have a disgruntled space underclass of wage slaves.

>>218201345
only when its hot, like a dominatrix in tight latex raping sex slaves

>>218201696
But anon, some of them are occasionally racist!

>>218201681
No that's not the assumption at all. Every leftist revolutionary instantly starts with working on social issues (and mass graves) in order to make the desired economy make sense.

>>218201703
>A hypothetical society where communism works
At that point you might as well throw everything out and just say that it's a hypothetical world where people aren't selfish or greedy or every do anything wrong at all. What's even the point?
>Space capitalism would still have a disgruntled space underclass of wage slaves.
Again, this is communist fiction, not reality. Was the boomer underclass 'disgruntled'? Did that cause massive problems?
No, it didn't. More marxist fiction that fails the reality test.

>>218201696
That's not a socialist system at all, it's just a system where economy stopped being important.

>>218201696
So no wealth redistribution, then? Then no socialism. Sorry, chud.

>>218201309
IIRC only the evil version of her from from the alternate universe was bisexual.

>>218201703
And space communism would have millions of impoverished workers slaving for the buerocrats, just less effectively.

>progressive values
>woke
they still don't get it do they

>>218201728
Anon, capitalistic systems are built on the concept of growth and short term gain. It’s innately unstable. You couldn’t possibly believe that a space faring capitalist society would survive its own expansion?

>>218201673
>>218201683
Libertarianism is a left wing ideology.

>>218201758
I would agree, but modern day leftists are determined to bundle it up with the right wing.

>>218201745
We’re talking about a world with replicators. A post scarcity system. A capitalist system would invent scarcity.

>>218201734
Yes, it’s a post scarcity society where they’ve advanced enough to where their tech can replicate anything. They use that tech to provide socialized, universal services. It’s not Marxist in the sense that classes still exist, but it is at the very least a form of socialism.

>>218201739
They generate wealth from energy. They don’t need to redistribute what they can quite literally build on a molecular level

>>218201203
I like how half this shit is about sex.

Because that's what leftist politics appearently are about these days. Getting to ejaculate into someone.

>>218201757
>Under my communist lies, capitalism must fail soon!
Capitalism can last indefinitely. Marx predicted it would collapse within decades. Centuries later, it's still going, even shackled by parasites as it is.

>>218201758
It started as a left wing excuse to attack the right.
When the left got in power, they abandoned it in favor of regular old tyranny.
Now, nobody believes in it, it's been fully falsified at made irrelevant.

>>218201776
>A capitalist system would invent scarcity.
Same with communism.

>>218201802
> Capitalism can last indefinitely.
AI is already causing a crisis as most companies will no longer need actual workers. 50% of the economy is going to be one shot in the next couple decades and there’s no actual solution.

>>218201776
>>218201795
You can't just go "socialism is when good things". Socialism is an economic system meant to distribute resources. When there are no resources then there is no socialism.
Star trek is spiritually closer to a free market system where the value of almost everything has dropped to zero.

>>218201795
>it’s not socialism
>but it is socialism
Just shut the fuck up, retard. You're bending over backwards because you want to believe your precious genocidal system worked that one time, even if that's pure fiction.

>>218201203
i think the most important difference is back then it was a formerly white civilization that still had the discipline required to self perpetuate, now it doesn't, and so it is collapsing. its only truly comfy to rebel against the system when the system provides for you.

>>218201824
The people AI replaces aren't "workers".

>>218201824
>le durr durr durr durrr durr
First of all you're an idiot
Second of all farm machinery did not 'end capitalism' despite putting most people out of work
Capitalism finds a way and adapts

>>218201837
It’s a “free” market where nothing costs anything and people work because they like to. It sounds like a communist west dream.

It's really funny how the only people who think gommunism works are pasty sheltered faggots while people that lived through any kind of communism like romanians or poles immediately start punching you in the face for suggesting communism 2.0 should be tried

>>218201203
>Wormhole alien rape baby
>Turbo bitch alien terrorist
>Symbiotic parasitic worm
>Womanizing Doctor
>Zesty Kardasian
>Abandoned shape shifter
>Literal commie retard
>Irishman who married a cunty chink

>>218201203
Never seen DS9, does it measure up to the gigakino Babylon 5?

>>218201810
Why?
>”inb4 muh corruption”
We are talking about idealized incarnations if these systems. Nowhere does communism require material scarcity to function.

>>218201873
Plenty of browns keep thinking communism works
They vote in communists, their country goes broke, they starve and die, repeat

>>218201873
It is interesting that Commjnism is the ideology with the highest ratio of white people.

>>218201837
There's the value of people's labour and there's no sense in Star Trek that anyone is receiving recompense for their work beyond their own self actualisation. It's a socialist liberal utopia where people choose to do it for free because they want to develop themselves and help others.

>>218201866
You realize we can recognize you by using curved apostrophes and quotation marks, retard?
Meritocracy is the opposite of communism. No communist system in history relied on it. More often than not, meritocracy was persecuted under communist regime.

>>218201624
Based Posadist
Onwards for the fifth, and final, Workers Internationale, the Intergalactic One

>>218201851
They earn a wage with which many of them use to support a family. AI’s main appeal is that they won’t need to pay any of these expensive goyim anymore
>>218201861
Farm machinery still needed people to work it. AI doesn’t need anyone besides a couple imported Indians to maintain the servers. That’s why people fucking hate all the data centers popping up and jacking up electricity prices for little community benefit.

>>218201882
>Let's argue about some abstract thing that could never happen and means nothing
Get a life

>>218201892
Hard to make it work when the CIA exists. Why does the CIA even bother if these countries are going to collapse regardless?

>>218201882
>Nowhere does communism require material scarcity to function.
ROTFL. So USSR, Cambodia and other hells on Earth were not communist, right? kys, fag.

>>218201905
>Farm machinery still needed people to work it. AI doesn’t need anyone besides a couple imported Indians to maintain the servers. That’s why people fucking hate all the data centers popping up and jacking up electricity prices for little community benefit.
God shut up it's not going to put that many people out of business
Again, the MAJORITY of the population went from being farmers to like 1%
That's WAY more than whatever you imagine AI will do, which in reality will be much less

>>218201837
Anon, they literally have SOCIALIZED medicine, food, and housing. It’s provided free at the point of service by the federation.

>>218201882
But scarcity is just a fact of life.
The fact that you can unironically say "communism doesnt require the absence of unicorns, that makes it superior" without suffering a stroke is shocking.

>>218201910
Shut the fuck up you idiot moron
>It's the CIA's fault our bad system that failed every time failed!!!!
Go try it again, just not in my fucking country this time.

>>218201910
>Pol Pot failed because of CIA

>>218201838
>it’s not socialism
I never said that though. Reading comprehension wasn’t your strong suit in school was it champ?

>>218201696
>free food, healthcare and housing and jobs granted by the state

That's state-annointed reproduction of labour, it existed in the capitalist west and in Russia during the 3rd/"Cold" world war

>>218201942
Yes, the west adopted socialized services as a concession to their labor movements. What’s confusing here?

>>218201838
>genocidal system

Colonialism? Fascism? Capitalism in general?

>>218201938
Look at cia secret ops and come back. Yeah man, if the most powerful country in the world doesn’t want you to succeed, you won’t succeed.

>>218201203
The audicity to try and draw comparisons between DS9 and whatever shitass flop nutrek show this nigger is talking about.

>>218201329
>Bashir and Garak were fags
Uh bro did you not watch DS9? the actors have even said the studio made them cut a lot but they were absolutely gay and all the post show media that mentions them mentions them as a couple.

Like how do you miss the gayest gay shit in all of science fiction television? and by a country mile too. I mean what next you gonna be surprised Kirk smashed pussy like a total whore?

>>218201940
How about you stop being a manipulative cunt instead? This is what you wrote:
>but it is at the very least a form of socialism.
Then allow me to use the same argument. It relies on merit, therefore it's a form of capitalism. There.

>Post scarcity civilization with magic machines that can make anything and the purpose of living was to better yourself
>Nu Trek turned them into violent miserable race communist junkies

We should bring back private fire departments and private law enforcement.

>>218201837
>Star trek is ideologically closer to my projected unto it doctrines.

>>218201927
> God shut up it's not going to put that many people out of business
The entire pitch in investor meetings is that it WILL put that many people out of buisness. Telling us to ignore our eyes and ears and that it isn’t actually that bad doesn’t make the problem go away.

>>218201957
They did want communist countries to succeed, you absolute idiot. Look how much they poured into the USSR. Look how much they supported Pol Pot.
You are an idiotic child. I hope you get addicted to drugs.

>>218201963
>umm ackshually the actor said
nobody cares

>>218201824
>most companies will no longer need actual workers

That's not how profit works

>>218201971
Yeah but nu trek is garbage because the writers don’t care about optimism and hope.

>>218201668
Lad i dont know how to tell you this but all the alien shit was always the CIA. The first sightings were U2 bombers which were top secret until russians shot one down years after roswell and the government had to admit they existed. This is the MK Ultra and "lets release a harmless virus on LA to see how fast it could spread, oops guess it killed people" company that have used america as a pitri dish like some shit out of fallout for nearly a century.

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>>218201963
Kek. Pic related.

>what next you gonna be surprised Kirk smashed pussy like a total whore?
Kirk canonically fucked 3 women in the show (3 seasons, 79 episodes in total) and Carol Marcus between the show and the movies. Eat shit, tourist faggot.

>>218201968
>relies on merit
Capitalism relies on the price system though therefor those things that are quite literally generated with harvested energy can’t be
“capitalist” in the same sense you don’t pay to use public services like the police and fire department.

>>218201985
You are such an idiot it's unbelievable
In the 18th century around 90% of people worked in farming
Today about 1%
Not even the most insane, pie in the sky AI autists envision anything close to that
Seriously just shut up, you are talking about something that is the biggest non issue possible

>>218201893
Not white people, first world people. The majority of which tend to be white.
Point is "communism" now is a larp for retarded underage fags in the first world who want to pretend to be revolutionary from the comfort of a starbucks.

>>218201203
>Irishman
is being an irishman woke

>>218202014
Jobs in Star Trek are merit-based. Eat shit, leftist brainlet fag.

>>218201927
It’s going to put that many people out of buisness, but also the entire western system is going to collapse because every mid level boss all the way up to the CEOs and board of directors are completely incompetent. Have you ever spoken to a wealthy businessman? They’re hollow people. I doubt most of them have an iq over 80. When your failures are rewarded with a golden parachute. You have no reason to be good at anything. The system is incredibly fragile precisely because of the incompetence of the people running it. Their only skill is coming up with vague food metaphors for how to run a workplace.

>>218202015
>just ignore your lying eyes and ears chud
No I don’t think I will.

>>218202001
so why are the CIA rolling up on some yokel's farm, and mutilating cattle?
They could just buy cattle. Doesn't make any fucking sense.

>>218202041
Just shut the fuck up and go watch Hasan.

>>218202039
Than they can’t be capitalist since capitalists want jobs based on how Jewish you are

>>218201952
>as a concession to their labor movements

That was not the reason. The reason was to avoid another crisis of super-accumulation. They didn't officially end colonialism out of their good hearts. It wasn't necessarily a "plan" but england was already ahead in letting the (former) colonies take up that cost of reproducing labour, usa took up the fight for France in Vietnam and France itself lost in a second warfront (Algeria) before they realised that losing face was secondary to adapting to global economies of scale.
Beyond that, workers did challenge the establishment, a good decade after the welfare state was estblished in western capitalisms.

>>218202044
What eyes and ears? Who has AI put out of business?
You are going entirely off stupid news headlines. Not reality.

>>218201795
goal post status?

>>218201990
They quite literally are going to extract as much wealth as possible before they fuck off to space. Elysium was a documentary.

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>>218202036
There are some words left of that.

>>218202064
>who has ai put out of business
Nigger, they are literally developing AI RIGHT NOW to put office workers out of business. They already put almost every programmer on the forever unemployed list. They are proud of it.

>>218202071
>before they fuck off to space

>>218202056
No fucking shit. So you're telling me Star Trek is NEITHER SOCIALIST OR CAPITALIST?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, FAGGOT!

>>218202097
Calm down retard you sound like a hysterical faggot

>>218202093
>They already put almost every programmer on the forever unemployed list.
[laughs in VBA]

>>218202105
I second that motion to>>218202093

>>218202105
>NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>STOP PROVING ME WRONGGGGGGGGGGG
>WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>218202120
You didn’t prove anything, only kvetched like a jew

>>218202127
I accept your concession, faggot.

>>218202118
>Yes we are openly saying we want to replace you but you’re the crazy one
Yes, and mass migration and ethnic replacement is just a conspiracy theory too

>>218202135
I didn’t concede you little bitch, your arguements are insane and self contradictory

>>218202149
You lost when you said
>I know it's not real socialism, but ACKSHUALLY it's still socialism because that's what I want
you fag.

>>218202136
It is.
Here's another lie: judaism is a race.

I agree, Star Trek was always left leaning AND most media is always political. What they refuse to understand is how there's a difference between, I dont know, both Invasion of the Body Snatchers being influenced by the two big political happenings of their time and having a character explain they're genderqueer and how hard it is while crying, or something like that.

>>218202093
I don't know if you've noticed, dingus, but Ai isn't that great. Have you noticed this?
It would take another order of magnitude of improvement for AI to even begin being a threat for mass layoffs. Which is not happening and does not appear to be on the horizon.

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>>218202205
>my xusband wants me to get abortion UwU

>>218202209
Fun fact: most layoffs in IT are the aftermath of retarded over-hiring during covid.

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>>218201203
Thanks for the thread.

>>218202205
most media is philosophical, not political

>>218202168
I said it wasn’t Marxist as classes still existed but that it still had universal and near unlimited socialized services which meant it was at the very least semi-socialist or had a mixed economy. Never did I claim it was some sort of Soviet commune you retard

>>218202256
The person you're responding to is obviously deranged, btw.

>Midwit thread reacting to a midwit twitter post

>>218201203
The point is TV is escapism from the drudgery of life. When it starts reflecting certain issues people will switch off.

We didn't have open borders, millions of foreigners invading our countries. We weren't being told how bad we are for being White cis males. We weren't ordered to stand aside because bames are more deserving of the job position. We weren't bashed over the head with gay and tranny propaganda and threatened with personal or professional destruction if we didn't fall in line..

We enjoyed the diversity of movies because they're just movies. When we realised they were becoming reflections of our own demoralising anti White societies we spoke up.

>>218202256
By your own "logic", it's also semi-capitalist because merit exists. So shut the fuck up, bitch.

>>218201203
There's a state so it's not communist. But the means of production are accesible to anyone, so it's clearly socialist.

>lmaoing at the retards arguing that it's some form of capitalism

>>218201728
>Was the boomer underclass 'disgruntled'?
No but I sure as fuck am.

>>218201989
Sorry sweetie, if I interpret media it’s death of the author, but if you interpret media it’s media literacy.

>>218202401
>the means of production are accesible to anyone, so it's clearly socialist.
retard

>>218201203
Well, duh. Deep Space Nine is ridiculously woke. It literally has the mandatory negro commander.

>>218202071
One of the most bitter statements I’ve seen on 4chan is that,
>America is a corpse kept on life support so companies can harvest the organs.

>>218202344
provide examples of Star Trek discussion that aren't "midwit"

>>218201900
I don't pay attention to typography, is the implication that he's using some kind of non-standard or non-English keyboard?

Star Trek values: Judging people on the basis of their race, and using it to predict their behavior and preemptively disqualify them as good choices for positions their racial characters wouldn't make a good fit.

Star Trek values: Judging every foreign culture in relation to your own. Acting as judge, jury, and executioner to any external state if they don't meet your own moral standards.

Star Trek values: Homosexuality and deviancy are staggeringly rare. Heterosexual monogamy reigns supreme. Lack of family and children is considered a definitive character flaw. It is, in fact, designated as the foremost flaw of the central lead character of its most successful series.

>>218201203
i like that the communists identify with a parasitic worm.

>>218202448
>Socializing the means of production is not socialism
Retard

>>218202460
>Acting as judge, jury, and executioner to any external state if they don't meet your own moral standards.
When in the fuck does this happen? Do you even watch Star Trek?

>>218202425
But you werent interpreting anything, you were making a truth claim based on a irrelevant anecdote.

>>218201203
>Black Jesus
Literal war criminal on multiple counts.

>Bisexual Terrorist
Don't recall Kira being bisexual, but she was definitely a terrorist, and that wasn't portrayed as a good thing. It was portrayed as something she regrets. Remember when she burned down a fellow "freedom fighter"'s farm to show that in fact the authority that ruled them was now correct? Discuss.

>Trans Worm
Literal whore whom everyone with decency detested. She died and nobody shed a tear.

>Doctor Twink
Being born an ectomorph isn't a crime. Being a faggot definitely is. Fortunately the doctor was a confirmed SuperStraight.

>Fashion Lizard
Literal murderous, duplicitous spy whose greatest character trait is repulsively wanting to CORRUPT the pure and naive doctor. That is precisely how it's presented: moral, ethical, cynical predation, wearing sexual predation's clothing. Is that really the icon you want for the gayest character in Trek?

>Traumatized Goo
?
This doesn't even make sense. Odo wants to find his PEOPLE. First, this reinforces the idea of needing a PEOPLE, not just some random assemblage of "diversity" as a substitute. He needs to find his own KIND and isn't happy until he does. Second, he's an effective, moral, upright character who doesn't bitch and moan and blame sOcIeTy or aUtHoRiTy for any of his problems. He's grumpy and not good with the opposite sex, and this isn't whitewashed. (By all means, bring up how he decides to turn against his people once he finds them, I'd cheerfully have that discussion too, jew)

>Communist Himbo
No idea who this is. Rom is a retard who's gullibly led by the nose into communism because he's stupid, and this makes him a principle participant in the destruction of his culture. He's not a "Himbo", he's ugly as sin.

>Pro-Union Irishman
The FUCK are you smoking. O'Brien does his DUTY, to the letter.

>2022 tweet
imagine being some leftist faggot troll having to reach this far to dredge up something to "trigger the chuds" over

>>218202486
No, retard. In Star Trek the means of production are not owned by the people. Because there are no means of production with replicators. Unless you mean things that need to be built, like space ships. In which case they're not being redistributed anyway. This is why lefty fags like you are so retarded. You have no clue what the words mean and you hate the idea of analysing the actual lore.

>>218202494
>Do you even watch Star Trek?
Every series, multiple times, every decade of my life.
Picard condemns an entire planet-state to suffer by allowing terrorists to take control over it, and dodges responsibility by claiming it's "non-interference" while making it abundantly clear it's revenge for that culture not living up to Federation standards. He outright admits he would have saved them if only he liked the way they did things a bit more.

I think you should watch Star Trek, you very clearly have not.

>>218202571
>Remember when she burned down a fellow "freedom fighter"'s farm to show that in fact the authority that ruled them was now correct
The authority that ruled them at that point wasn't the authority she resisted against, it was the Bajoran government she fought to establish. She regrets some of the actions she took as a member of the resistance but she doesn't regret getting rid of the Cardassians.

>>218202619
>the Cardassians who brought them schools, medical care, advanced technology, etc
lol keep going retard

>>218202600
>Picard condemns an entire planet-state to suffer by allowing terrorists to take control over it, and dodges responsibility by claiming it's "non-interference" while making it abundantly clear it's revenge for that culture not living up to Federation standards. He outright admits he would have saved them if only he liked the way they did things a bit more.
Picard was under no obligation to solve that planet's problems for them. Problems that they created and then didn't bother to properly solve, which then came back to bite them in the ass. If only they hadn't created brainwashed supersoldiers with super PTSD and then shipped them off to a prison planet.

>>218202413
'overthrow capitalism' and you'll really be suffering

most people think of bajorans as space jews because of their backwards culty religion but they're really more like space jeets

>>218202639
Oh okay yeah you definitely haven't watched Star Trek. The Bajorans had fucking solar sailing ships hundreds of years before the Cardassians showed up. They were cruising around their own solar system while humans hadn't even mastered flight yet. They even made it all the way to Cardassia, albeit by accidentally taking advantage of an anomaly that propelled them to warp speed.

>>218202651
>Picard was under no obligation
Yup, typical lefty enabling of atrocity. Just like every single one of your predecessors who rubberstamped mass graves. The banality of evil.

>>218202680
>atrocity
Like making brainwashed supersoldiers and then putting them in camps after the war is over?

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>>218202679
>that WE WUZ SPAYSMEN stinker ep
KEK great try (((ira)))

>>218202708
>literally pretending the actual show doesn't exist and making up an alternative show in your mind that agrees with your deranged ideals
Why are frogposters like this?

>>218202737
>jew having a meltdown because his propaganda episode gets cooked
kek can't make this up

>>218202749
>schizobabble

>>218201569
reactionaries have been calling neoliberals commies for ages, so idiots think liberalism is what communism is now

>>218202205
"Woke" is very specifically an ideology that is hostile against heterosexual white men. It's not the same as just being a leftist. that's the part they always leave out.

>>218202449
No, Deep Space 9 is 90's era liberalism. "If they're capable, we'll let them do the job" era liberalism.
Not modern day "standards are oppressive, so we're tearing them all down" liberalism.
People get so caught up on this binary of "left" and "right", and it isn't how anything actually works.

>>218202796
>liberalism is what communism is now
There is no longer any measurable difference between any of the strains of retarded liberalism. It's all psychotic, resentment-based hatred of society and existence squeezed through the lens of economic socialism all the way down.

>>218201203
The Enterprise was named to jerk off America's hero aircraft carrier that won Midway to protect its colonial empire. Roddenberry was that kind of beefsteak '60s liberal that thought murican power and race pandering were the same thing.

>>218202835
>psychotic, resentment-based hatred of society and existence
so liberals are just like /pol/tards?

Roddenberry's great contribution to liberalism was he liked to stick his dick in all colors of pussy equally.

>>218202814
How many years of twitter indoctrination before I start thinking like this?

>>218202851
A segment of chuds have fallen that route, yes. The same as all liberals and trannies. The only portion of sanity remaining is right of center.

Resentment is the ultimate anti-life principle and it's what guided people like Marx and every communist that followed to construct the abominations they did. Marx wanted the human race to be punished for the crime of existence, and it was his own insecurity and inferiority projected large. It was, and never is, about "fairness" or "equality" or "justice". Orwell realized and communicated this pathology quickly.

If I could reply to that person I would tell her
Yes she's right.
But the point is it's not on the fucking nose every second of every episode like nutrek

>>218202851
Being as your understanding of pol tards is a leftist projection, yes.
In reality pol tards just want a world like the one their grandparents had. That's it.
The idea that they're all school shooters or whatever is for CNN boomers.

>>218202866
>no argument against what was said
May I see what you actually think in your own words?

>>218201203
The difference is the writing. DS9 is the best Star Trek because it had good writing in spite of the actor checkboxes. Modern Star Trek is shit because the forced-diversity checkboxes come first, then a script is written around that.

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>>218201203
>Star Trek is woke now
What a complete red herring. The issue with the show now is it is algorithmic AI slop which is also weirdly political in a non-woke way. They will put pic related in there to elevate current politics which is the most disgusting thing ever. This is half the complaint about basedjak crap
>Gosh isn't current conservatism bad
>If only we elected the centre of politics who want to give your money to the nice billionaires*
*they invest in solar panels instead of coal power, they still think you are a slave

>>218201203
If all of this is true, why does it need to be forced even MORE heavily now?

If all of this is true, why is the "need" to combat racism and sexism and transphobiaism and whatever other -ism seemingly even greater now?

It's been decades since these elements have been inserted into television and film, and are ideologically practically inseparable from the industry as a whole. So.... why hasn't it "worked"? Are people "even more racist" now? What do you have to say for your efforts if all that's happened for every ounce of funding and demagoguery you've exerted since the 1960s has only resulted in things going backwards from what you want the world to be? What DO you want the world to be? Do you want it to be fairness and happiness and equality and everyone standing hand in hand in a brown rainbow? Because that isn't how you act. You only act like you want to punish people for not thinking according to the consensus you claim is the only right way to think. You only act like you want to hurt people for being different.

just some observations, have a good one 3-year old tweet reposter

>>218202908
>In reality pol tards just want a world like the one their grandparents had. That's it.
That's not achieved by electing elite billionaire pedophiles who bow to Israel.

I speak for everyone here when I say the true sin of modern Star Trek isn’t the wokefaggotry, it’s the inability to write sincere, mature characters who treat their situations seriously and communicate professionally. You watch DS9 and everyone understands not only the chain of command, but how to convey themselves in conversation. Characters that are explicitly non-Starfleet show more casual flair, but even Quark has more maturity than the captain of STA. The only genuine goofballs are explicit joke characters like the Grand Negus which really is here to highlight how goofy Ferengi culture can be.

Like, fuck. Look at the “villain” from the first episode of Academy and compare him to Weyoun, who’s practically a genius in comparison.

>>218202851
there's a point to be made that "chuds" are natural allies of the left, and the left made a huge mistake by casting them out.
If you're a young man who can't get a job, and can't even have sex because no one respects you, you are a victim of oppression.
It's not like /pol/ just appeared one day and decided they were going to be super racist, sexist, and disagreeable. Those were all people who were spurned by the left first.
>>218202866
"woke" literally comes from Twitter. It's the result that 2010's "black Twitter" had on political discourse. Also some cross-pollination from Tumblr, with all of their white girls trying out queer identities bullshit.

>>218202960
>it is algorithmic AI slop which is also weirdly political in a non-woke way.
It's completely woke, and you literally posted an image demonstrating that fact.

"Wokeness" is not the same as "having brown people". Old shows had brown people. Modern woke shows do it combatitively, with smugness, contempt, lecturing, and hatred/prejudice. Moreover the racial element is coupled with other aspects of cultural marxism, such as the rejection of objective beauty standards. Note, heavily, that it is not a PRETTY black woman like Nichelle Nichols. It is a fat, ugly woman whose entire purpose for existing in the shot is to challenge and upset people who think that "beauty" is a real thing that exists. Same as all of those repulsive fat women they shove on jean ad billboards now. It has nothing to do with "acceptance" and "being happy with your body" and everything to do on waging a culture war out of resentment and contempt.

Resentment is the foundational animating spirit of the left.

>>218202968
The secret truth is that the State does not actually want to fix race relations. You might get a politician who sincerely wants to see everyone get along, but the steady baseline is that the wealthy can afford homogeneity, and by forcing diversity on the populace they’ll forever be too busy eying their neighbor than the gated community. Every billionaire, if given the opportunity, wants their country to become the third-world.

>>218202969
>heh rightoids hate jews therefore therefore something something
Normal people just want to live in a world with fair and equal rules for everyone.
And will vote for the person that promises to deliver that.
Hope that helps you understand things from a non 4chan perspective.

>>218201416
Doesn't matter chud, at one point somewhere there was a Dax that was a man and a Dax that was a woman that makes them a tranny

It's the weak exploiting power to topple systems because they resent the strong, the beautiful, the healthy, the truthful, the witty, the clever, the intelligent, the moral, the upright, etc etc etc the list goes on. The core of marxism is the hatred of ALL hierarchies where any one expression can be comparatively labeled "good" next to another's "bad". So the system needs to be destroyed. The problem is when these "systems" are "the objective laws of biology and reality" it progresses to a full blown feedback loop of cognitive dissonance and insanity until you get riots and arson and suicides and shootings.

Deep down, all problems are caused by the weak. They hate being "judged" for life choices. They act in ways that are inferior patterns of living, and resent the fact they are criticized or scolded or made fun of, so they exploit power to gain control to forbid the acts of criticizing or scolding or making fun of themselves for their choices, regardless of any objective patterns of consequence these behaviors lead to. The result is you get entire new systems of the weak holding totalitarian power over the strong making the world worse for EVERYONE, until it reaches a pathologically insane point where marxists want to destroy the entire concept of hierarchy in and of itself and reduce everything that exists to a uniform, anti-individual grey goo of "equity". You will live in the pod. You will eat the bugs. You will own nothing. You will let Rajesh and Tyrone rape your infant daughter. You will be happy. You WILL be happy. Or you will be put to death.

>>218202969
trump is still not a pedophile, still the first guy who actually did anything against epstein. he's probably the only reason epstein ever got arrested.

stop robbing the word 'pedophile' of its meaning. the only reason to do that is to make it easier for actual pedophiles to hide behind your obfuscation.

>'oh, i'm a pedophile am i? the same way trump is a pedophile? yeah whatever.'

>>218203088
I will vote for Trump/MAGA because that causes maximal seething from people without children or a moral investment in the future. I concede I am but a blind man in Plato's cave, but I can feel my way along the walls and the screaming is a good indicator I'm on the right path.

>>218203092
You didn't watch the show.
Dax is a genderless slug. Neither male or female.
Curzon was a man who the Dax symbiote previously joined with. Curzon died, and Dax had to take a new host.
Jadzia is a woman. She carries Curzon's memories, but is very much not Curzon. She identifies as a woman, dresses as a woman, and uses female pronouns.
There is nothing remotely analogous to the transgender experience happening here.

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>>218201590
>Communism is trannies and immigrants, you cannot be against those things and be a communist.
This.

>>218203088
All Trump supporters worship Jews.
And if you want to talk about fair and equal rules, how about prosecuting the child-raping elites?

>>218203136
>stop robbing the word 'pedophile' of its meaning.
That's always been the left's goal. They want to spam it so much you get sick of it, because people have only ever used it against THEM for all this time.

It's why they're so psychopathic over epstein, they felt like they finally had a chance to get revenge. They were never interested in protecting kids, they only want to cause maximal harm to pay back the harm they suffered.

>>218203158
I support Trump and I don't worship jews. Therefore everything you say is wrong and I have no need to entertain any more of your sad lazy basement loser opinions. Hope you grow up and start a family someday

>>218203158
drumpf and netanyahu are literally the only two politicians in the files that eppstein clearly stated he hates

>>218202577
>The thing that produces things is not really the means of production
Goalpost moving retardo
But yeah because not everyone owns a spaceship that means it's actually a capitalist system.

>>218203136
It's all they have. It really is. They can't raitonalize taking in the trash the third world wants to get rid of, immigrants engaging in ethnic cleansing to carve out areas for their own kind only, the billions spent on immigrants while Americans got poorer, or anything else.

If you want to draw trans equivalences from Star Trek storylines, you could point to the episode about the kid who decides he wants to be an android like Data (it's a trauma response, and he grows out of it), or the Tuvix episode where a character transforms into a new character, insists on the right to exist, and is told "no".

>>218203048
Inserting counter-stereotypical browns was political correctness or whatever proto woke label you wish to use. The point is this is all just the fruits of leftist ideology, which naturally grows more exteme over time. Yes compared to now the hyper competent blacks scientist in 80s movies was not woke, but his insertion was coming from the same place.

>>218203067
I don't buy it. It's effecting them too. Look who Bill Gate's daughter married. This isn't a rich person scheme. It's a bunch of nutjob ideologues who have captured the ideas of our society.

>>218203158
This is just such gibberish
"People", if you are a person and not a bot, like you are literal cancer on discourse.

Starfleet has also on occasion non-voluntarily transitioned Borg drones out of the collective, where they were perfectly happy.

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>>218203048
Woke as a term has been maligned so much that it means something different to everyone now. Being 'woke' used to be about being aware of social injustices of the western hegemony. Now it is just 'centre-left' party politics. My pic was of Stacey Abrams, an actual democratic candidate who played the president of earth in new trek.

Sure I don't like the repulsive women either but they are a minor part of the picture. They don't 'represent' anything besides virtue signalling. In most cases you will find they are well connected nepobabies. Who are pretending to be marginalized when they have had more opportunities in their lives than a significant part of the population.

>>218203309
>The borg had the right idea all along!
is the logical endpoint of woke star trek lol

>>218203191
Trump worships Jews and you support him, ergo you worship Jews by proxy.
>>218203217
Netanyahu should be hanged regardless. And if Trump hates pedos so much why isn't he making arrests? Why does he keep calling it a hoax?

>>218203322
wake up bro, the entire western world is run by globohomo pedo cannibals
I'm not saying this as a joke

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>>218201203
why do woke people always pretend to be retarded and intentionally misunderstand things?

>>218203322
The USA is now a shithole banana republic

>>218203322
>that it means something different to everyone now
This is just a lie. Everyone understands what it means, except those who it is describing/ agree with it, who deny it exists.

>>218203332
Could you just shut up? Everything you write is cancer. Room temperature IQ, ESL shit bait.

>>218203292
We've already explained that "woke" is an entirely different beast to simple leftism.
"Woke" is effectively politicized black resentment. And the pushing of conspiracy theories like "institutional racism" into the mainstream.
It's coming from a fundamentally different place to some 20th feel good Liberalism like Live Aid.
It's not "bros, we can all join hands, and make the world a better place", it's "I hate you for conditions of your birth, and I want to take everything from you, and laugh in your face".

>>218203332
>n-no akshually you worship jews because.. because I say you do!!!
I'm sorry but that simply isn't an argument and it doesn't change my voting patterns.
You can cry and seethe and try and construct more illusions to entertain yourself about what you think I am but they are irrelevant to me. I have no obligation to justify my political positions to someone whom I can only view as a total inconsequential loser or a mentally ill teenager.
good chat

>>218201203
And it was a good show because all of those people were well written characters.

>>218203332
Yes I agree he should.
But lets be honest here, if he did arrest the epstein pedos like he is currently deporting the illegal immigrant pedo rapists you and the rest of the mental leftoids would start running defense for them too like you and they are currently doing for the illegal immigrant pedo rapists.
No pedo is illegal on fascist land after all.

>>218203322
>Being 'woke' used to be about being aware of social injustices of the western hegemon
So in other words, it meant retarded communist gobbledygook from resentful losers with a poor grip of history and reality.

>>218203332
No human being in living memory has ever done more for white Americans than President Donald Trump. None. There is not one person you can name that has ever had more positive impact on American politics since before your grandparents were born.

>waaah he le worships le jews
You're simply a failure, a loser piece of brown human garbage and you'll never win with this insanity.

>>218203337
I'm well aware. I worked in academia and wondered why the fuck we had to spend so much money to access journal articles which were basically peer reviewed for free. So none of the Epstein stuff was a surprise.

>>218203367
>This is just a lie. Everyone understands what it means
Disagree, plenty of meme buzzwords we use now have heavily ambiguous meanings. The evolution of the word 'slop' over the last 12 months is a perfect example. It went from being 'goyslop' to everyone using it and not even understanding the undertones.

>>218203367
>ESL
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know what ESL means or are you just trying to fit in?
>>218203369
Enjoy bleeding out in the Iranian mountains to protect Israel while your president lowers taxes on his friends (who eat the feces out of disemboweled babies' intestines).

>>218203368
That is one aspect of it but the source is feminine patterns of behaviour in institutions.
That is what is allowing e.g. black spite to spiral out of control.

>>218203368
>We've already explained that "woke" is an entirely different beast to simple leftism.
No, it's the natural conclusion of leftist ideals
>Everyone is le equal
>Hey blacks aren't doing as well as whites
>They must not be getting treated fair
>I don't see any unfair treatment
>Well it's microaggressions or some shit, we know it's happening because we know they're just as capable so they WOULD be doing as well if they weren't being oppressed
That's it. That's "wokism." It's the logical conclusion of what literally all lefties believe.
Lefties who pretend not to be woke are just hypocritical liars who want to distance themselves from unpopular ideas, while still believing all the same shit.

>>218201629
>Communism is a purely fiscal philosophy.
Nnnnot really. It stops being strictly that when Marx starts talking about alienation and "species being"

>>218203422
Rudy Giuliani?

>>218203431
>retarded psychotic loser child babble
Yawn.
Jesus, grow up and get a real political argument, you absolute teenage moron. I died for Israel 17895678 times at this point already. Go outside and chase girls while you still have your youth.

>>218203383
>he can't arrest the baby rapists because then [made up scenario] would totally 100% happen!
>>218203422
>No human being in living memory has ever done more for white Americans than President Donald Trump
LOL

>>218203446
He did some good stuff but he hardly changed the world or created into being an entire generation where it is now the acceptable political majority opinion to criticize immigration.

>>218203440
Progressivism begins and ends with the assumption that all humans are imbued with the exact same potential for success. As a result, any discrepancy in performance between two demographics MUST be a result of systems and institutions that are delibrately oppressive.

>>218203465
>no argument
I accept your concession, jew. Sorry you lost!

>>218203471
He sure does hate it when you criticize Israel, though.

>>218203399
>In other words, here is my lazy reductive take because I can't think about things
Sure anon whatever helps you rationalise. I like to think about Strasserism succeeding sometimes if it makes you feel any better.

>>218203465
>ice protests are madeup scenarios
you utter imbecile

>>218203483
>calling me a jew because I want the jewish baby rapists arrested and don't support Israel
Is this just a bot or something?

>>218203490
>noo you can't criticize my insane anti-reality anti-history progressivist gobbledygook as progressivist gobbledygook
I just did and I am right, you have no meaning.

>>218201386
Christians are all shortbusers.

>>218203506
You're very easy to spot, jew. Very very telling that that struck a nerve! A pity you lost! Jews always lose.

>>218201309
>The fantasy land mirror universe Kira is bisexual
>This applies to the regular universe where 99.99% of the show exists
Yeah

>>218201453
Probably because religious people are actual retards. Calling a spade a spade.

>>218203493
>liberals are protesting ICE which means they will also protest the government arresting billionaires who literally eat babies
Do you even realize how retarded you sound?

>>218201203
Who the fuck cares about Deep space 9? There's more bad star trek than good Star Trek.

>>218203440
The original leftists would not in a million years have suggested it was cool punch poor white people as "revenge" for colonialism.
The Soviet Union literally continued colonialism.

>>218203465
Literally the lamest trolling attempt I've ever seen.

>>218201530
The world existed only when you discovered it? Fascinating.

>>218203517
>If I stick my fingers in my ears and scream i'm right it has to be true
Sure bro, I even handed you a topic switch by mentioning Strasser but you had to continue to be a retard.

>>218203544
>people protesting illegal pedo rapists getting arrested would never protest rich pedo rapists getting arrested
just stop already

>>218203506
>lose the argument
>"h-he's a bot!!"
AHAHAHA so predictable
kikes always lose

>>218203547
They wouldn't have suggested trannies or gay marriage either
That's completely irrelevant. It's the natural conclusion of the egalitarian lies they did suggest, as >>218203473 points out.
The only difference between the woke and you is that the woke have far more intellectual consistency. You believe all the same egalitarian horseshit, but disavow its natural conclusions. Not based on any ideological consistency, just because it's unpopular.

>>218203556
Can you not follow simple points?

>>218201703
>No no, you don't get it. In this hypothetical communism would work perfectly and have everything it needs to work while capitalism wouldn't cause I say so. Now entertain it please.
You're funny

>>218203563
>every person arrested by ICE is a pedo rapist, trust me bro, we need to deport them all and make the libs seethe!
>but also we shouldn't arrest those other pedo rapists because liberals might get upset!
All subhumans need to be deported but your "argument" for why Trump shouldn't arrest baby-devouring satanic pedophiles is absolutely delusional.

>>218203572
I'd say it's a result of the mic being snatched away from well educated upper and middle class people, and given to the absolute dregs of society. Which was the fault of Twitter, basically.
And as much as leftism claims to champion the working class, it never really allowed them to speak. It was always a movement of middle class people talking to each other.

>>218203486
>POLITICS... EXISTS?????
I'm trying to imagine how much of a stunted insane loser I'd have to be to give up living my life and raising my family over something like that. And I honestly can't, all jokes about groypers aside I really can't imagine someone being that much of a psychotic loser. But like Picard said, there it sits, I guess.

>>218203608
It has NOTHING to do with twitter. It was all in full swing before then.
You are just not understanding this argument.

>>218203608
It was never even a movement of middle class people talking to each other. It was always a predatory movement of the totalitarian left acting out their resentment on behalf of the "exploited", for centuries. The middle class wants better treatment and the right to take care of their families with minimal fucking-with, it does not want ideological culture wars and seizing of the "means of production", an utterly insane and banal idea.

>>218203473
>>218203572
Except you are wrong. Works like Harrison Bergeron showed that it was quite rational for social democrats to understand how disruptive and easily manipulative identity politics can be.

>>218203609
>if you don't support my heckin kekistani god emperor and his israeli masters then you can't have a family!
You wish, Shlomo. Death to Israel.

>>218203613
This specific brand of unhinged and resentful leftism is very much a post-twitter thing.
Maybe it existed in pockets before, but it was always sneered at for being obviously insane. Louis Theroux was effectively thumbing his nose at the Nation of Islam (with their historical revisionism, and their baseless assertions that "the white man" was keeping them down) back in the 90's, and now all of that stuff basically is the mainstream left.

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>>218203648
Leftists always claim to identify the divisive nature of identity politics, but never actually disavow them or remove them from focus. Seems to me that it's just trite lip service to the demographics that they've alienated with their retarded double standards.

>>218203604
>we need to deport them all and make the libs seethe!
Correct, every single person that enters a country illegally needs to be deported because that is a crime, not because it makes you seethe, that's just a bonus.
God you're so shit at trolling it isnt even funny or annoying just sad.

>>218203608
I hate to break it to you but it wasn't the mic being snatched away. The mic was handed to the next generation who didn't actually understand the ideologies of those before them. Plenty of these 'Leftists' are third and fourth generation union leaders kids who are part of power broker families. Their great grandfathers were the actual voices of the working class getting beaten up on the street for 8 hour work days.
Now they coast off political dynasty to line their pockets.

>>218203645
You're confused because what you call the middle class in America, is essentially just a slightly nicer working class.
Whereas what they call the middle class in Europe are the people who aren't quite aristocracy, and are salty about it. They have aspirations. They scheme to topple rulers, so they can become rulers.

>>218201203
there's a difference between characters having those attributes and characters being those attributes. one is ds9, the other woke garbage.

the left when they hold office:
>drag queen story hour
>wining and dining jeffrey epstein

the left when they dont hold office:
>WHY ISNT TRUMP DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE PEDOS??? PROTECT THE KIDS WE DONT HAVE BECAUSE WE DONT REPRODUCE, YOU EVIL FASCIST!

>>218201734
Bingo. What I’ve determined is consumer spending is trivial though local municipalities can still off licenses for scarce storefront locations that implicitly account for the trivial consumption budget.

There is also no private industrial wealth since industrial competition is impossible due to trivial costs of production. Governments still regulate scarce land use and environmental protections.

There is still wealth. The money is analogous too your 401k. So you’d use your wealth to buy a new house or go on an interstellar vacation.
Just that you’d have limited purchasing power so a government like Paris can accept the $10 million for you to live in a classic apartment or just let a descendent of an ancestral historical resident live there. Not swayed by money.

Money would matter out in the colonies where assuredly capitalism still exists

>>218203222
>showing holes in retard's logic
>NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>YOU MOVED A GOALPOST BECAUSE YOU PROVED ME WRONG
>WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>218201203
Kira was not Bisexual

Dax was not Trans, Dax was asexual and used as a community external hard drive.
Jadzia's sexuality is definitely experimental, but mainly straight.

Bashir was not a faggot.

She doesn't mention Quark, the Chauvinist Anarcho-Capitalist

Odo was the biological equivalent of the Patriot Act, an authoritarian and would have been pro-ICE.

The entire show was about spirituality. It made sense that the MC was a jesus figure.

>>218203705
Raping and killing babies is also a crime. Why are the elites not facing justice?
>>218203727
The right when they don't hold office:
>RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!
The right when they do hold office:
>Wow why do you even care about satanic billionaires raping kids? You must be a loser. The files that I wanted released last year are a hoax anyway.

>>218201329
The communist himbo was Rom

>>218203676
Leftism is too broad of a term. For the most part 'Leftist' politics has involved abandoning their voter base consistently for the last 80 years in a numbers game. This is shown in Israel policy where these party stooges have completely abandoned basic sentiment of anti-war to back a weird ethnostate which has hours and hours of video of them shooting aid workers, talking about how they love shooting humanitarians and what not.

So yes, politics is just trite lip service and their voter base is pissed which is why politics is in the state it is. What a normal 'Leftist' party would be doing is basically destroying the white-collar sector and its rent seeking bullshit, whilst propping up trade unions and actual labour.

Irony of it is that AI and billionaires will be the ones to destroy the white collar workers before anything. Which will shift the labour market into the hands of the actual workers again, blue collar workers. Though as I've mentioned in this thread Strasser was the only viable option for long term sustainable markets because it understands the value of labour and the devaluing nature of mass migration.

>>218203834
which is why you should never go hard left or right, and always focus on issues

>>218201795
>They generate wealth
There's no such thing in reality or in fantasy where wealth is "generated". Time, money, and skills/materials in scarcity are exchanged.

In Star Trek the only substantive change is that energy is so abundant and essentially lacking in value that it has outmoded the need for currency. Skills and time are still traded in a meritocracy in exchange for social standing, authority, and responsibility.

But it's only the Federation and some other empires that got rid of currency. Barter of resources is still used for gaining status and for diplomacy (or empire expansion).

>>218201880
>Never seen DS9, does it measure up to the gigakino Babylon 5?
The effects are better. I can't say the writing is as good though and the ending is terrible.

It's more of a drama with sitcom elements as opposed to a long form narrative like Babylon 5.

>>218203674
>Maybe it existed in pockets before, but it was always sneered at for being obviously insane
No, it wasn't.
Again you are not understanding the argument.
Twitter trannies are the same thing as Trayvon Martin and gay marriage. There is no difference.

>>218203834
>Raping and killing babies is also a crime. Why are the elites not facing justice?
Who has "raped and killed babies"?

>>218203904
The left has never been "anti war." They were only against Vietnam, because it was a war against communism. They weren't anti WW2 for example.
I will repeat:
Leftism is egalitarianism
"Woke" is egalitarianism
No "real leftists" see the world any different than wokies. They just pretend they are different to avoid unpopularity, while holding all the same basic beliefs.

>>218203799
>nuh-uh replicators are not means of production because It hurts my feelings
>proceeds to seethe
Concession accepted

>>218201203
Black Jesus: Not sure what's progressive about this. He was a dude selected by aliens to be their representative to a different race of aliens who think they're gods when they aren't.
Bisexual Terrorist: Kira =/= mirror universe Kira
Trans worm: The Trill worms don't have genders and merely live in a symbiotic relationship with the Trill acquiring the knowledge and skills from the previous hosts to pass onto the next one.
Dorctor Twink and his boyfriend fashion lizard: Bashir and Garak were never a thing despite it being clear Garak had the hots for him as Bashir was famously constantly after Jadzia and finally "gets Dax" when he gets with Ezri Dax.
Traumatized goo: this trauma was never front and center or a major trait of Odo's character
Communist himbo: I honestly have no idea who that's supposed to be. There are no characters on DS9 spouting communist rhetoric
Pro-union Irishman: When the fuck do hear Miles talking about the plight of the working man? OOOOOOOH, he told Rom that one time about his ancestor ran a strike means he's now always getting on about unions and the good they provide. It was Bashir who brought up the idea of a union to Rom in the first place. So it looks like you got TWO big unions guys on DS9

>>218203913
>There's no such thing in reality or in fantasy where wealth is "generated". Time, money, and skills/materials in scarcity are exchanged.
You are so fucking stupid.
There have been thousands of societies on earth which have produced nothing. No technology, no art, no writing. Did they work hard? Did they use materials? Yes.
The society that invented labor saving devices "generated wealth" and outcompeted the others. Today people who use labor and materials productively "generate wealth" while those who use them on scams like green energy destroy wealth.
Right now we have a huge amount of wealth created in this society, and are living in amazing material abundance. Despite the many parasites who only destroy.

>>218203961
Trayvon Martin and gay marriage was already well into Twitter era internet.
Okay, maybe more people were on Facebook. Same thing.

>>218203913
>There's no such thing in reality or in fantasy where wealth is "generated".

Nigga look around you right now. You think owning a building isn't wealth or something?

>>218203811
>Odo was the biological equivalent of the Patriot Act, an authoritarian and would have been pro-ICE.
The trauma being referred to was his early days being experimented on when they didn't know he was a sentient being and some of the bad things he did under the Cardassian occupation like when he sentenced what he knew were innocent Bajorans to death because he was ordered to. The post would make you think it's front an center with his character when it isn't. They're just events that shaped his character. Most times Odo is playing cat and mouse with Quark and being grumpy he can't be as authoritative and infringe on people's rights like he was under Cardassian rule.

>>218203344
Leftist: pretends to not understand

Far-Right: actually doesn't understand

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>>218203961
>Leftism is egalitarianism
False equivalence and overgeneralisation. Being anti-war is also a significant part of the social democratic movement. That is why people now say 'Palestine is our Vietnam'. They recognise Israel as an arm/tool of Western politics. There's even a south park episode about this and as I said Harrison Bergeron is a good little novella about how absurd egalitarianism can be, written by a social democrat.

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Wokeness isn't about having a diverse cast, it's the ideological baggage that burdens a creative work.

You can feel the agenda driving every decision. Characters are no longer interesting or surprising, they exist as representations and mouthpieces of progressive doctrine. They will never say something that challenges any institution other than capitalism, fascism, and whiteness.

>>218203990
>The society that invented labor saving devices "generated wealth" and outcompeted the others.
Technology results in a more efficient exchange of time/money/skills. Again, they don't "generate" wealth. They just reduce the amount of ongoing effort required to perform a task. There is still effort required to maintain those systems so they continue to function. And this understanding of what maintenance is and how it is beneficial is what the societies that continue to fall behind don't understand.

My point is that "wealth" isn't something you "generate". It doesn't come from nothing. It represents a STOCKPILE of reserve labor that you already CONVERTED to a physical form. Be that grain, infrastructure, or recorded information. This is the basis for what agriculture added to human technology and how it allowed us to escape the cycle of the hunter-gatherer people that preceded us.

>>218204097
So where were they about the Ukraine war?
It's just more leftist hypocrisy. Supporting wars you like and being against wars you dislike is not an ideology. It's called being normal.

>>218204108
So wealth doesn't exist? Is that what you're saying?
Me living in a fancy house with indoor heating and plumbing is the same as squatting in a straw hut with a dirt floor?
No, obviously not. Lots of people created lots of wealth, which I get to enjoy.
You are literally just wrong. Read some basic economics before speaking any more.

>>218204119
Neither are good, idiot.

>>218204162
midwit fence sitter

>>218204162
This. Being a centrist faggot is good. Having strong opinions is bad.

>>218202097
The Federation is:
Politically, a Military Junta
Economically, Communist
Socially, a collection of ethnostates

>>218204195
So, it's pure fascism and intended.

>>218204186
Nah I'm on the left who supports a more socialist communist mentality but can't stand hippy dippy leftists who are just as ignorant on the context of something like the Right is. For exampled both sides see Bashir and Garak and says "hurr durr these two are a gay couple" for the same reasons but in a different point of view. The Leftist positively sees gayness in anything involving two men that's not them talking about or doing generic men stuff whereas the alt-Right person negatively sees the gayness in anything involving two men that's not them talking about or doing generic man stuff.

>>218204135
>Where were they about the Ukraine war?
Wdym? Like why did the Democrats support it and the Left didn't say anything? Because there is a really big component of the left in the west which aren't pro-ukraine either. They talk about NATO and how it has always existed to push Russia away to force enemies.
From a leftist perspective you can see Russia's current state as a failure of establishment politics which used things like NATO (years of lead as an example) and post-soviet 'shock therapy' economics to continue an adversarial state. In my mind Russia shouldn't be antagonized and Ukraine was used by the establishment US politicians to create opportunities in the region.

If we look at an ideal leftist president, they would have deescalated much earlier and looked to include China and Russia into global trade instead of constantly trying to block them. Same with Iran. Yet the 'Leftists' in power aren't even remotely left.

>>218204274
>Nah I'm on the left who supports a more socialist communist
you are literally worse and should be put in the dirt.

>>218201928
They don't pay tax anon. There's literally 0 wealth redistribution happening.

>>218201928
>they literally have SOCIALIZED medicine
as long as there are enough people who WANT to become doctors instead of fapping in the holodeck all day
>they literally have SOCIALIZED food and housing
as long as the machine that makes those doesnt break and as long as people really WANT to become janitors/repairmen instead of fapping in the holodeck all day

>>218204439
Why do they even need doctors? They have advanced AIs and the ability to disassemble and reassemble a human body at will as well as the ability the build anything organic and inorganic instantly, they can heal any disease just by removing the affected body part and have the computer rebuild a new one.

>>218204479
hm somebody has to read out what the medical tricorder says i suppose

>>218204212
>Fascism
somewhat
The Federation has no opposing political parties, but at the same time the power is pseudo-centralized by a bunch of admirals who basically do whatever.

The Federation does believe in equality, but they don't enforce it, so if you want your own little ethnostate colony, they're pretty chill about it. But at the same time, they don't believe in a natural hierarchy.

Economically, the Federation is still a military owned economy. Replicators make material wealth obsolete, but they're still controlled/regulated by the military state.

>>218202093
>They already put almost every programmer on the forever unemployed list
Anon, you need to radically change whatever avenues of information you use, because you're being absolutely filled with bullshit. AI cannot replace a developer yet, and hasn't made a dent in the programming industry.

>speaking as a 5 year fullstack dev who hasn't even heard of a layoff related to AI outside of clickbait articles.

>>218204439
The big question is how does the galactic communism deal with positions that require hazard pay, like being a redshirt on away missions or a janitor who has to clean the holodecks after extended gooning sessions

>>218204537
to be fair programmer is a wide term, a real programmer that knows what he's doing will never be replaced but those are like 1% of people who go into the field, then you have plenty of dumbasses that somehow got a degree but can't program at all, let a lone develop new algorithms, then you have all the jeets and similar with bootcamp certifications, all of those are already on the same level as vibecoders.

>>218204331
Buddy we're already accelerating towards it with the way capitalism is now. The only people gonna be in the dirt will be the rich owning class. History has shown in multiple nations that when the rich go too far the lower class rises up

>>218204479
Because it's a TV show. TNG season 2 showed the transporter system is effectively a fountain of youth machine when they cure Dr. Pulaski of that super aging virus by using older DNA in the pattern buffer as the template for her body removing the virus and any aging effects it had on her. Aging past a certain point of your choosing should technically be a thing of the past. There's no reason why a human would reach their physical peak and not stay that way to be as useful to society and give themselves the maximum possibilities in how they can improve.

>>218204195
>>218204504
The federation is a democracy with a democratically elected president guys. We see the president at times. It's not run by admirals.

>>218201276 >>218201329
HOW you says DS9 is about hierarchy, meritocracy, and self-improvement.
DS9 isn't about hierarchy, you liar.
Stop twisting to fit the narrative.
HOW: So not woke?
He woke. The author said so.
There are the same complaints about "woke" regarding DS9.

HOW: You say, "What a fucking tourist thinking non-Mirror Kira was bi?"

You are the one fucking tourist.
The author said so

>>218201203
i love how even they dont know what woke is

>>218204826
>History has shown in multiple nations that when the rich go too far the lower class rises up
Never happened once

>>218205058
Yeah but they barely have any power, it's more ceremonial than anything. The real power lies in the council. They're the ones who directly tell the admirals what to do.

the worm is nongendered, kira isnt bisexual

>>218205430
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