happy ending was a mistake
>>218208333They lost the contest because their competition's composer had a bar mitzvah with the selection committee president, proving once again hard work goes nowhere and only political connections matter
>>218208333This meme shit is completely memoryholed in current year. Truly a relic of 2010s filmmaking, like Birdman and Les Miserables
>>218208387What are you talking about. All the reaction channels have reacted to it.
>What are you talking about. All the reaction channels have reacted to it.
fantastic movie desuthumbs up from me
>>218208445>tide pods were >6 years agogrim
>>218208387>BirdmanHoly hell I forgot this entirely
>>218208387birdman has not aged well but whiplash is mostly timeless
One of the boringest movie I've ever seen.
>>218208333what happy ending? he became a douchebag like his master
This is a classic movie because it infuriates all the spineless pussies that have never laid everything on the line to accomplish something.
>>218210637*it's makes artfags think they're relevant nowadays
>>218208333don't know if i'd call that a happy ending
FREE BIRD is NOT a jazz standard
>>218208333You sound like someone who would try to turn on a TV with a calculator.
>>218210681You're so mad that you never actually tried in life aren't you?
>>218210461>>218210694>losers who have never accomplished anything in life.
>>218210803as opposed to you?
>>218210803was he changed by his experience? yes, but his trajectory is still unknown. if anything he is on course to end up just like the teacher, hitting middle age without any real achievement
>>218210823yes, that's why the ending resonates with me and confuses you.
>>218210846the theme of the movie is does harsh teaching conditions lead to greatness? He achieves his goal of being great and the movie shows that by him performing the piece under distressing conditions. Fletcher achieves his goal by proving his teaching methods do in fact work. Whatever happens to the character afterward is irrelevant.
>>218210874no wonder you’re so miserable
>>218210913he does not become great. playing well in what is really just an average gig at best at that level is not great. the cage is a cycle of devotion without fully achieving a higher level that gets passed on from teacher to student. the question is did fletcher give him the skills to escape the cage? that is still left open by the film. you don't even get a crowd response if i remember it correctly.
>>218210969No the film is about laying everything on the line for greatness and if you come up short then you never have to live with the regret of not trying.
>>218211055fletcher laid it on the line and he is a miserable man playing mediocre club gigs, producing a student of quality is his only lifeline at that stage of his career
Movie is just how some art was created under master-student retarded pressure and how the same retarded pressure also can lead into nothing
>>218208375>hard work goes nowhere and only political connections matterYou get political connections through hard work. Idiot.
>>218211103Ok, you have never tried at any thing in your life I get it. I don't have to read your endless copes.
>>218211192i'm just looking at the film from each lead's pov. simple question: do you think fletcher, a man that drove a student to commit suicide and still doesn't refer to him as a human, feels that he meets his own standards?
>>218211260>buh buh but Fletcher was le mean :(But to answer your question, Fletcher was a giant retarded hypocrite that projected all of his own personal failings. But he was undeniably right about the pursuit of greatness that you will never understand if you don't strive for it. It's why it's such a great coming of age movie. Andrew learns that he will spend his life wondering if he doesn't put all his chips on the table. And it's why this bothers you so much. because you deep down know that you never put your chips on the table so you adopt this weird smug attitude about how it "wouldn't have mattered." But we both know it's a cope.
>>218208387That year had so many good movies, the year before aswell, Still sad that Keaton did not get his oscar :(
>>218208387Whiplash isnt forgotten among any film fan.
>>218208387I thought that the "birdperson" character from rick and morty was based on the movie birdman (2014) but it is based on Hawk from buck rogers. Life of a late zoomer.
>>218210803>commits suicide at age 30
>>218208333>happy endingThat shot of the uncle realising that Andrew has gone full schizo is brutal.
>>218212391its his father
>>218208333I dunno, I kind of like that it ends with them smiling at each other. Sure the implications are bad, but for just that second there was a sort of release to me.
>>218211260>drove a student to commit suicideThat's on the student, not Fletcher. The student wasn't forced to sit in class and could have left at any time.>feels that he meets his own standards?As a musician, no. He doesn't have the technical skills. As an instructor, yes, because he can help others prepare those tools.
Fletcher finally gets what he wants, torturing someone with talent into one of the greats at any cost. Like his previous student that killed themselves.>Andrew's Dad's face says it, He's lost him. That’s not unintentional. He might have obtained greatness, but at what cost?This was backed up by Chazelle. He said he didn't understand why people thought it was an a happy ending where he overcomes the odds. It was made to be a ending where Andrew ultimately loses and gives into his oppressor.If he's like other "great" musicians he'll die by a heroin overdose in a few years or his early 30s.
>>218215247>Charlie Parker is brought up several times throughout the movie, particularly by Fletcher, as basically an ideal for a musician to try and reach. They ignore the fact that he had an extremely troubled personal life and died at the age of 34 due to multiple physical problems caused by substance abuse.
>Finally watch Whiplash one month agoI can't believe I missed this movie for 12 years. It was extremely good.>LE HAPPY OR SAD ENDINGShut the fuck up, it's a KINO ENDING, that's everything that matters.
>plays a mediocre and soulless solo in some shitty high school jazz contest where 90% of the audience is old as fuck and will forget all about it 5 minutes after they leave the theaterWoah what an achievement. And there's two paths for him>forms his own jazz band>he's already been mindfucked by Fletcher into traditionalism and playing EXACTLY what is written down to the milisecond>meaning he will never ever get close to any kind of fusion or improvisation or anything that might give him some sort of mainstream (by jazz standards) recognition>he'll insist on playing 70 year old standards and will sperg out when any of his bandmates starts improvising>ends up playing for 30 people like Fletcher>gets into teachingOr>gets into session work>might make 40 bucks a session playing for Blue Note>has to do what he's told and play what the musicians want>not enough to make ends meet>kills selfIt's over
>>218211136lol, lmao
>>218215824>I have absolutely zero experience hiring or firing anybody.lol, lmao
