Powering through the latter half of season 3 now - just finished the (topically titled) two-parter War Without End. Even more stuff I can't talk about without spoiling it for anyone who hasn't got this far yet, but, holy kino. Notable guest stars since my last thread include: the Golgafrinchan captain, Mr Suder, Admiral Forrest, Al the Bartender/God and Basil Exposition/Logan 5.Random (non-spoilery) observations:>Delenn is so damn wifeable. And has lovely hands.>I think I may end up being more of a B5 fan than a Star Trek fan. Granted, it may be recency bias. And granted, I may be feeling unfairly negative towards Trek as a whole due to how thoroughly the franchise has been ruined under Kurtzman. But still. B5 certainly seems to lack the inconsistencies Trek suffered from even prior to the dark times. And the characterisation seems richer/more adult.>I can already tell I'm going to rewatch it all again and things will hit different the second time around.>Sex with Lyndisty.
>>218340004>War Without EndKINOOOOOOO>I think I may end up being more of a B5 fan than a Star Trek fan. Granted, it may be recency bias. And granted, I may be feeling unfairly negative towards Trek as a whole due to how thoroughly the franchise has been ruined under Kurtzman. But still. B5 certainly seems to lack the inconsistencies Trek suffered from even prior to the dark times. And the characterisation seems richer/more adult.you're right, it's not because of nutrek.>I can already tell I'm going to rewatch it all again and things will hit different the second time around.definitely.>Sex with Lyndisty.correct
>>218340004>>Delenn is so damn wifeable.That's great anon, I remember being super protective of Delenn during my watch thru.
>strong female character that has actual emotions and flaws, is small and frail, her strength is her diplomatic and interpersonal skills which she uses realistically, as well as her unbreakable morality and strong willA character like Delenn would never be made today, if they reboot b5 like they're saying she'll be dual wielding handguns and punching out 6'5 men every other episode. I could actually see someone like Delenn being respected and put into real leadership roles irl, most strong female characters in modern shows would be despised by anyone they interacted with in real life.
>>218340004>I think I may end up being more of a B5 fan than a Star Trek fan. Granted, it may be recency bias. And granted, I may be feeling unfairly negative towards Trek as a whole due to how thoroughly the franchise has been ruined under Kurtzman.That's part of what makes Babylon 5 special. It told a complete story from beginning to end in five seasons, fully written ahead of time so that it even references future events that happened much later in the series. There's no Babylon 5: The Next Generation or Babylon 5: Discover to retroactively spoil your enjoyment of it. There's a couple of rather mediocre follow-up shows, but those aren't directly related to Babylon 5 and at the very least attempt to pursue their own unique storyline.
I hate Delenn, and all Minbari scum. Her romance with Sheridan was gay, in fact anytime B5 tried to do romance it was terrible
>>218340412Drummer and Avasarala from The Expanse are like Delenn in those ways
>>218340004It's more consistent because it was written by one guy who wrote the whole thing first. It wasn't a bunch of writer's, or a producer buying fanfic tier scripts and greenlighting them on a week-to-week basis.I still say G'Kar is the best.
>>218340634More Avasarala than Drummer, but yes.
b5 ruined star trek for me, just feels inferior. the events of 95% of episodes are never referenced again in any subsequent episodes. it's just a relic of mid 20th century television
>>218340815B5's long five year story was intricately planned out in advance. JMS even planned out backups if actors dropped out or things went wrong. And turned out he needed a lot of them. Star Trek was just make it up as you go along. They were in heaven when they got their hands on JMS's ideas and knew they could copy it for DS9
>>218340916New Trek is just plagiarising Old Trek. They aren't a creative bunch.
Basedbylon 5
>>218340004rest your sphincter faggot
>>218340815This. I started with B5. When I eventually watched Star Trek it always felt lifeless and hollow.
>>218340815>>218340916>>218341398samefagging queer
>>218340727I'm really liking him, yes. At least as much as Londo. That scene in the previous season where he's inspired to reach out to Londo *just* after Londo has effectively initiated the war between their peoples... Fuck, man.
>>218340420>It told a complete story from beginning to end in five seasons,i love b5 but that ain't truit tells a complete story from beginning to end in four seasons. then there is a bad fifth season that sort of introduces an overarching plot about mind controlling parasites but is heavily padded with filler episodes + lyta getting together with that long haired teep faggot instead of based security guard zack.the final, final episode is still beyond kino, but let's not pretend the entire show was some kind of tightly wound clockwork masterpiece
>>218340291>>218340412theres a small scene in season 5 with delenn in the lower decks episode when the workers ask her "you really do love each other dont you?" and she just gets this beaming smile and walks away, and they talk about her smile afterwards, that is just pure adorable and made me like her more
AHHHHHHH MISTER MORDEN
>>218341672We need to bring back Londoposting.
>>218341714my thong is too tight
>>218341513It gets better.
>>218340412Because back then writers weren't retards with zero life experience.
>What do you want, /tv/?
>enjoying the show>reach s2>sinclair is gone>look up what happened>sadness>lose interest (for the time being)bump I guess
>>218341793Awesome.>>218342142Let's just say two capitals in flames, for starters...>>218342581It is sad, but Sinclair returns later on, and the whole thing is handled so well that if you didn't know any better, you'd assume it was what JMS intended from the get-go.
>>218342142More based Brad.
>>218340004i watched the first 2 episodes of babylon 5 and it's like it fried my brain and i don't know what's going on. does it get better the more i watch?
>>218342142Big titty goth Centauri women
>>218342835That episode was extremely based
>>218341415seethe
>>218340412if she wanted to she could get the Grey Council to wipe out Earth in like a weekdo not mistake her diplomacy for lack of power. she just chooses differently
>>218343355That's what I'm saying, she's powerful because she's good at influencing and inspiring people, which is far more realistic than the childish shit people put out now where the strong characters are just fighting with everyone around them 24/7 and magically never losing
>>218342792That's good to know. I can't fault the way it was handled (at least from the first few episodes), it just really took me by surprise
>>218340004>Delenn is so damn wifeable. And has lovely handsHad. She dead. Just like many of the cast members. You'd almost think there was a curse on the studio they filmed in. I met her at a con once, got a photo op that was photo bombed by Lennier which was great. RIP.Zathras - DEAD (Motorcycle accident)Dr Franklin DEADGaribaldi DEADG'Kar DEADSinclair DEADVir DEADrespect for JMS DEAD (tranny lover, history of storming off set with unfinished projects post-B5)
>>218340004The worst part about Babylon 5 is how you can see where it had its legs cut out from under it.The best part about Babylon 5 is how fucking kino it still managed to be.
>>218344519>You'd almost think there was a curse on the studio they filmed inApparently they filmed in abandoned industrial sites a bunch and theres claims that they got contaminated by old leftover pollutants there
>>218340916>Star Trek was just make it up as you go alongI don’t think anyone ever reversed a polarity for an instant gobbledegook asspull solution to a made up problem in B5, ever.
>>218344637>Apparently they filmed in abandoned industrial sitesLook at you, trying to be a know-it-all faggot and you can't even get the details right. Fucking shut up and don't respond to me with your plebbit tier drivel. You don't know jack shit, and the actors never complained about "leftover pollutants" you fucking liar. Go cry for attention elsewhere. Your stupidity sickens me.
>>218342142For AI to get good enough for JMS to completely regenerate the whole series from start to finish as per his original vision, and pay royalties to the families of our beloved deceased B5 actors as if they were still alive.>sort of introduces an overarching plot about mind controlling parasitesIIRC that was always the end goal but it got dropped when it looked like s5 wasn’t going ahead, then got brought back at the last minute. Remember Londo and G’Kar killing each other was foretold as early as S2.
>>218344637The original series was filmed on 16 sets built in an old hot tub factory but I fail to see how that would have caused Richard Biggs’ aortic dissection, Tim Choate’s motorcycle accident, Jerry Doyle’s heart failure due to chronic alcoholism, or Stephen Furst’s diabetes.
>>218344827or Katsulas' lung cancer from chain smoking for 40 yrs
>>218344666Trips of demonic truth
>>218344827all symptoms of mousebites
>>218344519Fuck. Knew about Sinclair, obviously, but didn't realise it was that bad. Glad you got to meet Delenn and Lennier, though, anon.
>>218342142I've been slowly rewatching myself and the point where they introduce him is way more kino than I ever remembered.Especially when you're aware of the implication.
>>218340004>>I think I may end up being more of a B5 fan than a Star Trek fanI was a pretty big Trek fan growing up, watching ToS reruns, then Next gen when it came out. I didn't like Voyager at all and DS9 was just a ripoff of B5 after I watched it. I still like Trek but from the moment I started watching B5, it became my #1 Sci-Fi show till this day.Also /Tv is a GREEN board, purple fags fuck off.
>tfw never watched Crusade despite being hyped for it after Call to Arms
this shot of morden was giggakino
>>218345696>It seems Ambassador Kosh's encounter suit was damaged, but he's not telling how, just asked for some equipment to have it fixed
Favourite episode?Mine is when Sheridan tricks the unaligned worlds into accepting a white star fleet in their systems by making them demand it.
>>218344519Some have theorized that the production was exposed to toxic chemicals since they filmed in an old Jacuzzi factory next to a waste processing facility but several of them had addiction problems that ended up killing them. Mira Furlan was 65 when she died, which was relatively young, but not insanely so. Richard Biggs is the only one that really stands out, dying at 44 of a weird heart condition.
>>218344328>thing that happened irl takes you by surprise not shit retard. The show is not real
>>218344637That might have started with Patricia Tallman. She complained in her book about the environment where they filmed, especially about the waste transfer plant behind the studio building. The studio itself was cramped, with poor air circulation, often getting over 100F under the studio lights. Actors liked going outside for some fresh air, but it often reeked of garbage from next door and of vehicle exhaust from the freeway nearby. It's understandable that she and others would think it was an unhealthy place to work but as others pointed out, the deaths were mostly due to factors unrelated to any potential contaminates at the studio.If she's the seed of the conspiracy theory, it would be a bit extra funny given that she also does stunt work in addition to acting. She also ended up as the head of the studio after marrying JMS (they've since divorced).
>>218340815>>218341398Congratulations, your retarded mindset gave us modern streaming. We used to have a clear, rational format hierarchy: episodic TV, serialised miniseries, singular movie. Each filled a niche and allowed different kinds of stories to be told. Then an unholy alliance of "hurr durr muh continuity" serialisationfags like you and pretentious movie actors who wanted nice steady TV cheques without upsetting their tiny-peen egos killed episodic TV and the result is a strictly worse entertainment landscape. Instead of television being dozens of series in every mainstream genre and several in niche genres, each pumping out many seasons, each season containing some good, some bad, and a few great episodes, your mentality has just compressed the same ratio of good/bad/awesome into a much smaller number of much more expensive productions. YOU(via driving the market with your expressed preferences) are responsible for nutrek being so shit that people started going back and trying to find 90's sci-fi like B5 to watch in the first place.The reality is you don't get a JMS making a B5 often. 99% of writers and showrunners are simply not capable of producing that kind of consistent quality over the entire run of a multiseason show, that's what miniseries were for in the old system, to provide a serialised format that most writers & showrunners were capable of producing at reasonable levels of quality.
>>218340004What kind of place is this and who visits/lives here? And frankly I'm forgetting the name of the place...
>>218345757PURPLE follow Drazi!GREEN follow Ivanova!GREEN not real Drazi!
Anyone watched Claudia Christian in ‘StarHyke’? It’s painful.
>>218348461The name of the place: Babylon 4.
>>218348558LOL, it's terrible. Looks like something that would have been made in the UK in the late 70s.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHCy4xg8k4
>>218347803Many but one that always stands out to me is 'come the inquisitor'. Putting John and Delenn through hell and fully ready to kill them until they basically said they'd die for one another and meant it was pretty damned kino. Also the reveal at the end of just who that particular 'inquisitor' was and what ramifications it meant towards the Vorlons and Earth was chilling. Esp 1st time seeing it back in the day.
>>218349383Imagine if the original concept for B4 had been used
>>218348056>Mira Furlan was 65 when she diedRIP, she was a legend on the convention circuit. Very easy guest to keep happy, no bizarre demands, no un-fun drama, treated her staff liaisons like friends, just a great, classy lady with a taste for drinking Buttery Nipples in the hot tub and having fun.
>>218349857>original concept for B4what was that?
>>218340004>First-time B5 watcheroh you luck bugger, I'm very jealouscan't stick around to read the thread but I hope you're enjoying it. Don't binge if you can help it, draw it out a bit.
How did a lowly Lieutenant get to be personal friends with the senior command of a large space station?
I watched Babylon 5 and fell asleep
>>218351115Probably because your shoes were too tight.
>>218340004From the tone alone of Babylon 5 enjoyers I can tell it’s not for me.Not a faggot. Think I’ll go rewatch DS9 for the 30th time instead, lol.
>>218351115in light?
>>218340004>Lyndistyeveryone needs a war crimes psycho wife
>>218351111in my opinion, I think they saw a gap in writing for the 'core cast' and needed a flyboy. After O'Hare had to leave none of the 'team' were pilots, and having Ivanova stand didn't seem practical for her position as head of operation or whatever, and wereas O'Hare's character could do the whole 'well I'm going out there myself' routine it wouldn't be something Sheridan would do.Also from memory this is the first time they start seeing the screechy dudes in hyperspace, so they needed a POV of that.>>218351216For me it's Adira(?)
>>218351022Did people even realize Jurasik was wearing prosthetic fangs back then with SD screens?
>>218345757>mfw it finally clicks why the Greens vs Blacks nonsense sounded familiar to me
>>218345556>Knew about Sinclairthe worst part about that was for how long they kept the secret so people believed dude was just an unhinged asshole
>>218351247funny you say that, I didn't notice on my first watch (~10 years ago) even though most of the scenes were scaled up or whatever.Still had the odd view that was low def like in X-Files, assuming it's to do with which cameras at the time filmed stuff that could be 'upped' in quality. So I can 100% imagine people missing details. G'Kars face shows it poorly when they added cuts or wounds.
>>218351247Saw him in an episode of 'Sliders'. Came off completely flat. Don't know if any of his other roles were good but he sure played Londo well. Andreas Katsulas however was great in everything I saw him in.
>>218351281Didn't O'hare specifically ask that the secret about him going nutty be kept until after his death? If it was his call then so be it, had to know that the staff who didn't know (all except exec im assuming) would have negative-ish opinions of him.
>>218340004I also entirely agree with Koenig in Bester being his best role and sadly one completely overlooked.
>>218344608>The best part about Babylon 5 is how fucking kino it still managed to be.It's mindblowing to me how writing the entire thing before filming didn't become standard after B5.
>>218348432Bit harsh, anon. I'm not as down on episodic TV as that poster is, but no one's to blame for shitty current-year serialised TV except jews. (And, OK, the good goys who still pay to access it.)>99% of writers and showrunners are simply not capable of producing that kind of consistent qualityMaybe. But to be hired in Hollywood you now effectively have to be at least three of the following...>jewish/non-white>female (or trans)>gay>living in LA>friends with/related to someone influential>willing to put propaganda above entertainment...which rules out nearly everyone on the planet who *might* be a potential JMS. Even if only 1% of writers (or wannabe writers) could hack it, or 0.001%, that's still a fuck-ton of people. But they insist on recruiting from only a tiny pool of the connected chosen and well-placed DEI pets. If only you knew how good things could be... in a world not run by them.
>>218351342you have to keep in mind episodic was still the name of the game for tv shows
>>218341629This is because they told stracynzki season 4 was the last, so It kinda compressed things then season 5 was greenlighted so he had to fill It with something. But the series had a more or less complete series arc before temp 1 ended. Other things that warranted changes was the actor for sinclair and his illness.
You guys are alright. Don't go to Z'ha'dum tomorrow.
>>218351325Happy for him too as I know he had trouble with typecasting following his Trek character. I know it's still sci-fi but it's different enough of a role for him to show his ability.Great acting, great writing.
>>218340815Rewatching b5 today the similarities seem a lot less meaningful. The strength of star trek is the episodic format allowing for really well writting one shots. The visitor and inner light are probably better than any episode in b5 even though the latter has a stronger story and character development overall.
>>218351325I guess I didn't mention him because his brilliance in the role seems kind of self-evident. But he's great, yeah. Not that I hate Chekov, but he's completely un-Chekov.
He killed THOUSANDS.
>>218351342Battlestar Galactica was a weird hybrid case, where they made it into a serial like Babylon 5 but kept writing themselves into corners, resorting to clunky escapes, because they didn't think very far ahead where they wanted the show to go.
>>218351454reminder cartagia deserved everything and more
>>218351459>THE PRESIDENT LANDED THE MISSILE>ALL HANDS ON SHIP CLAP FOR GODthat show was too retardedly american
>>218351509I liked that religion had a role in the world, but they just completely lost the plot.
>>218351022>draw it out a bitThat's the plan. And I'll probably have to slow down a bit anyway due to work etc.
Press F to pay respects
>>218351198>Not a faggotSo non-B5 enjoyers keep dropping into this thread and insisting, unprompted.
>>218351400If you hate the character, the actor is doing a good job.
>>218351234>in my opinion, I think they saw a gap in writing for the 'core cast' and needed a flyboy.it's been a long time since I read up on the BTS shit but I think that was pretty much exactly the note from the network, they wanted a hotshot pilot stereotype character and keffer was basically forced on JMS. and that's why he killed him off ASAP
>>218340004I found it interesting some things were never explained. Like the Techno-mages and just implications of their existence. Then they just say they're leaving.
>>218351768I think crusade would have went into more techno mage stuff, one of them was main cast, but the show was doomed from the start with behind the scenes production fuckery.
I'm watching this with my wife right now and we're having a great time, it's a brilliant showbut last night we watched the episode about dock workers striking and it was pretty dull and I passed out near the end. Is this one of the trap door episodes I need to have lodged in my brain as I go deeper into the show or can I move on? Not reading the rest of the thread to avoid spoilers
>>218351878>or can I move onyeah it was pretty much just one of those episodes where>current events issue / analogy for IRL stuff>BUT IT SPACEthat sci-fi shows tend to doreminds me of the end-credits WORMHOLE XTRMEME monologue from the parady-T'ealc
>>218352173>Science fiction is an existential metaphor. It allows us to tell stories about the human condition. Isaac Asimov once said: "Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinder critics and philosophers of today, but the core of science fiction, its essence, has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all."
there is a hole in your mind
>>218348432Why are ancient millennial boomers incapable of following a long running story? What caused this mental illness, is it a queer thing?
>>218351768>>218351841I loved it. JMS kept everything very mysterious and doled it out little at a time. The best thing though was that you could trust that he had thought it out and had behind the scenes answers plus consistency. So when things related to it happened in far apart episodes, you could piece it together. Now that's all been turned into empty mystery boxes so writers don't have to think, just come up with junk on the fly, and let fans make up their own answers.
>>218352420Whoa rude!
I like all the parts in the synagogue with the rabbi. The other stuff not so much.
>>218342142Financial security & a cute wife who adores me
>>218344637Or it's just most of the cast smoked, were alcoholics or had diabeetus
>>218348322Not really going to believe a word from the stunt women who fucked JMS to go from stunt woman to actress on his show to head of his company
>>218340004ive never seen Babylon 5 but how similar is it to 2004 Battlestar galactica ?
>>218353456She's the Erika Kirk of the 90's.
>>218340004>I think I may end up being more of a B5 fan than a Star Trek fanThat is a natural feeling, while star trek will always have a special place in my heart at the end of the day it's just a random series of sci fi ideas. B5 is an actual story with a beginning, middle and end. It's the only show I have watched multiple times without feeling any fatigue and actually find new things I missed the previous time that makes me love it even more. Glad you are enjoying the experience friend.
>>218341714
>>218353488it's consistently good, so nothing like bsg.
>>218344608>The worst part about Babylon 5 is how you can see where it had its legs cut out from under it.Sometimes that helped, JMS is a hardcore degenerate and if had had his way 100% and had the technology back then I think the show would have been quite different in a number of ways. One of my favorite things about the show is how wholesome it is. It's one of the few things I can share with my father and watch with him.
>>218353835thanks
JMS seems to have been a creepy weirdo, like polanski but without the prestige. Claudia Christian claims he was always hitting on her. The fact he married Patricia Tallman leads me to believe he was just trying to leverage his position to sleep with eveyone
>>218353913>Claudia Christian claims he was always hitting on herI can empathise, I have a thing for stern, grimacing brunettes. A cute.
>>218353913Claudia was a super whore that fucked fans at conventions so why not hit on her
>>218351325I noticed the right hang thing only during my third rewatch of the series.
>>218353913She probably fucked him, she seems the type to sleep with her directors
>>218354963it's a well known bts story that jms took her out to dinner and she shot him down, but I don't think she claimed that he was 'always' hitting on her.
>>218351247They didn't fangs in the Road Home and it bugged me.
>>218357001bump it again
I love that they could have used the already made B5 merch that wouldn't have looked out of place but made unique stuff instead.Fucking love this show, will probably watch again soon because of current events. Wish JMS would have got his way with the Talia/Ivanova relationship & Delann's gender stuff, would have really sorted out some dumb fucks who do not understand the show whatsoever.
>>218357246let me guess, you think clark is trump2 more weeks until fascism arrives right
>>218357108>>218357300/Trek/ is down the hall.
>>218357300Clark is trump and PsiCorps is pissrael
>>218357246you're a homo
>>218357246Ywnbad
>>218357300I don't believe in matching anyone's real life stuff with fictional portrayals, I can however see the mix of how things go when societies fall apart, empires collapse, & that analogy hits perfectly. Trump is just another side effect/symptom of the bloated corrupt dying state, nothing more.You can eat as much shit from ISN as you want, it's your choice to do as you please. I'll be off fighting for the Light when the PsiCorps is shoving your broke ass in a Shadows Ford Pinto that blows your ass to kingdom come.
>>218357342calm down you autistic weirdo
Right wingers love to pretend this stuff is for them due to lack of imagination. They can't even pretend to be happy so they have to pretend another fictional entity is part of their belief system even though that is easy to disprove by even the smallest of pea brained children.
>>218357361Hit too close to home? Must suck to have no self realization & just believe everything hand fed to you because goddammit those awful evil woke people are 100% out to get you.
>>218357364this is not your blog you know
Could the one fag shitting up the thread at least wait until page 9
>>218357381schizo shithere >>218357383
Why does every comfy b5 thread eventually get sabotaged by seething trekfags and trannys? You have entire generals and boards dedicated to your shit. It's telling you aren't happy in your home and have to go shit on the floor in ours.
>>2183573834 sentences is not a blog, it is a statement. A statement against the poor uneducated mind of someone expelled from middle school.>>218357396Wow, you really are going to cry about it. Oh no, you linked a post to another post! Drats!
>>218357415go blog about it somewhere faggot
>>218357413this thread was never comfy with weirdos spamming shit like>holy kino>KINOOOOOOO>beyond kino
>>218357413You can bitch all you want but here's the creator's very word: https://x.com/straczynski/status/986502756700569600Media literacy, go find out about it. I can't imagine being so fucking stupid that you can't realize the creator does have an agenda with the show & you just choose to ignore it & say it's actually about you & your beliefs.
>>218357453this is, yet again, not your blog
>>218357424What an epic bacon win for you, yet another person leaving this dead decaying place is your true desire. A message board with only you & the AI you programmed.
>>218357342>>218357364the society that most parallels what happens over s2-s3 with clark and so on was the soviet union - widespread disinformation, policing forces repurposes and tasked with rooting out bourgeois/reactionary elements (NKVD/KGB) and so onpretty sure JMS has claimed it's about mccarthyism, which besides being retarded doesn't matter, since everything he's done post B5 has been trash
Leftism is a mental illness.
>right wing b5 heads on pikes, that's what i want
>>218357477you need just go post somewhere elseyour blog perhaps
>boxleitner just tells the ancients to leave>they just leavewhy though
>>218357515It's a great argument. What are we supposed to do, just die for your little bullshit game & it happens again & again til what? Til they're satisfied with what?I honestly like it better than what they did with the Reapers in ME.
>2 angry lesbians (redundant I know) raiding a cozy B5 thread.
>>218357526>I honestly like it better than what they did with the Reapers in ME.nerd
direction brain mutts plz go
>>218357534>2 angry lesbians (redundant I know) raiding a cozy B5 thread.are the wachowskis here?
hmm
>>218353488not that similar BUT some of the best moments of BSG 2004 you will see were heavily inspired by, if not fully ripped from B5. for example when the Galactica jumped into the atmosphere that one time, I thought it was the most awesome thing ever, but B5 did it first
>>218357515Did you even watch the show or did you just have it on a second monitor casually consooming it while playing fortnite?
>>218357838>I thought it was the most awesome thing everexpected
>>218342835This man can make anything into kino.
>>218357851i was playing 2048 at the same time
>>218357838I need to watch BSG, I'm just not in the mood for misery porn.
>>218341859Back then the networks would reign in the writers' worst impulses.
>>218357865>kinothis is just fake
>>218341859the only life experience that JMS had was writing comic books for manchildreneverything he's done post b5 (and pre I believe) was trashit was lightning in a bottle
Trek had to follow the "no human conflict" bullshit so you don't get the reality of some situations. Homefront/Paradise Lost should have straight up had Starfleet on Starfleet attacks, not just half assed stuff. They even had General Hague stolen away for it.
>>218357911nice blog post
>>218357887I wouldn't bother. The pilot and first couple of seasons are really good. the problem is you will then have to watch the rest, which is so bad it retroactively ruins most of what was good about the first half.now before someone butts in and makes some idiotic comments about me not being able to handle religion in my science fiction, that is not why I think the show finishes horribly. it was just executed badly on every possiblr level.
>>218357887It's a miserable show, I would definitely not watch it if you don't want to be made even more depressed.
Does the ELS even know why he's mad at JMS?
>>218357966it's basic cable crap calm down
>>218357961I'm kind of with you. BSG just isn't hitting the way my friends have been telling me for years. It's quite distracting how much 9/11 takes a toll on the plot, slapping that knockoff WTC firefighters pic every time they exit the pilot's meeting room.It's great, don't get me wrong, just annoying little things hidden even in season 1. The miniseries was great though & you can easily see why it was picked up.
>>218357993>It's great, don't get me wrongwhy would anyone get you wrong
>>218357907Back before the entertainment industry machine totally broke down around 2010 people from different paths would actually collaborate on shows and turn out something better than any of them could individually.Now the only way you make something half decent is by having fuck you money or making fraudulent promises.
>>218358073are you a bot
>>218357515>>218357881I think it was a couple of reasons, first they were lonely and missed the older races that had moved on. They were too far advanced to have any meaningful interaction with the younger races.Second they were burnt out and tired of their jobs being the galactic babysitters. One just wanted to groom us like an over protective parent and the other just wanted to throw us into a gladiator arena and see which one came out alive. This worked when we were truly in our infancy but once the races had grown up it caused problems and it took the great war to get the parents to see the children were able to handle life outside the nest. It also helped that the old ones came back, if they hadn't shown up I doubt it would have worked out. They finally saw that they weren't needed anymore and could move on themselves and go where they always wanted to be.
>>218358121yeah but what specifically happened in the b5 cycle that people didn't do in all the other past cycles in the vorlon-shadow war? you're telling me that sheridan was the first person to unite the galaxy?
Was this the show where they give half the cast AIDS?
>>218354444I would have liked to have gotten to fix her.
>>218358148The races didn't have technology powerful enough to get the vorlons and shadows to even notice them. They were more like the generational wipes of the reapers but on a lesser scale. And the old ones didn't come back presumably to pick up their bros they left behind.
>>218342142Summerfags to leave
>make earth alliance great again
>>218358199We are stuck in an eternal summer sadly.
>>218357993My sincerest recommendation to you is to watch the extended cuts from the box sets. SO much got edited out for time when it was syndicating.
>Michael O'Hare, 60>Jerry Doyle, 60>Mira Furlan, 65>Richard Biggs, 44>Stephen Furst, 63>Andreas Katsulas, 59the fuckwas the studio a superfund site
>>218358220Got them sweet Blurays so it even looks better, just lacking soul in places. RDM is great, maybe should have had another equal voice involved.
>>218358199>Summerfags to leaveFUCK YOU.I'LL STILL BE HERE WHEN THEY TURN THE LIGHTS OUT.
>>218358232o'hare was severely mentally ill, went off his meds and pretty much dropped off the map.doyle was a lifelong alcoholic.furlan really came out of nowhere, she died of west nile virus.biggs had an aortic dissection, pretty random too but it happens.furst had the beetus, his weight flucuated massively over the course of the show, it caught up to him eventuallykatsulas was a lifelong smoker, lung cancer.
>>218358232Jeff Conaway 60, why do people keep forgetting him in this thread?Also Robin Sachs 61, he wasn't a main character, but played several side characters you'd recognize also Sariss from Galady Quest.
>>218358374>Jeff Conaway 60, why do people keep forgetting him in this thread?>regularly appeared in the show from season 2 onwardeasyboxleitner overshadows him completely
>>218358374>Robin SachsLoved him in Buffy & Kotor.
There was a nice tribute video made a while back. Sad that it's not even all of them now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5KlNEh2Yo4
>>218342581When he left I was pissed but Sheridan absolutely steps up to the plate.
>>218358429Sheridan only left at the end though
>>218358439When Michael O'Hare had to leave
>>218358519O'Hare didn't leave at the end though
>>218340004>jump>jump NOW!The most kino shot in sci-fi is coming up.
>>218358535>The most kino shotlooks like shitare you blind
kino
>kinokino
>>kino>kinokino
>>>kino>>kino>kinokino
>>>>kino>>>kino>>kino>kinono
>>218358404Boxleitner bodies most of the human cast, doesn't mean Conway wasn't a main cast member though.
>>218358547>t. Brainrotten zoomie that's never seen the show and judges cgi by screenshots
>>218358404Between Grease and Taxi, Jeff Conway was probably the most famous cast member pre-B5 airing. He'd already tanked his career by then, but he was still the most recognizable. Bill Mummy was a huge child star, but I think this was his first adult. Bruce had four seasons on Scarecrow and Ms. King. Vir had animal house of course, but that's pretty much it, no one was on Conway's level at the time.
>>218358937>miss some episodes of taxi, they allocate your lines to others, realize you aren't missed, written outPoor Kenickie, even got bodied out of more scenes in that role as well.
>>218358374Everybody forgets poor Zathras. Have sad life. Have sad death. At least there is symmetry.
>>218358547Maybe Warehouse 13 is more your speed normie
>>218359093I have not forgotten, Zathras is good friend.
>>218359003Pretty sure it was because he was an addict then too.
>>218340004When I see a babylon 5 thread I spontaneously rise out of my chair. I can't help it.
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NOT MANY FISHES LEFT IN THE SEANOT MANY FISHES, JUST LONDO AND ME
>statwhat did the doctor mean by this
Reminder that B5 & DS9 are baseball cranks, any other sport is dogshit. Even put a full diamond on B5.
>>218357526Mass Effect tried hard to rip-off Babylon 5 and failed miserably. Fucking Canadians.
>>218360740They copied a lot of stuff, B5, Trek, Star Control, etc. Plebs will never notice.
>>218360740It was almost impossible to watch B5 without the discs for so long that I think you're on to something. They wanted people to focus on the ST connection so they wouldn't see that nearly all of ME's storyline rips it off. And I say that as someone who likes ME a lot too, just going to imagine it as the B5 game adaptation that got cancelled actually coming out.
>>218360836Literally everything in mass effect came directly from Star Control 2 and the few things that didn’t were just shit.
>>218358825Boxleitner was solid but I wouldn't call him a good actor. I think O'Hara was better, but he got to play a more psychologically complex character, whereas Boxleitner played the upright Yankee hero. Mira Furlam, Katsulas and Jurassic were the good actors. Doyle was also solid. The rest were not good. Of the main cast that is
>>218361391>JurassicHe's not that old
>>218354689Nothing makes a man bitter faster than being rejected by a slut with low standards.>>218354444Anons sometimes criticize her acting abilities in B5 threads but that she's such a different person from her character shows she has some ability. It's not uncommon for an acclaimed actor to turn out to be basically playing themself in most of their roles.
>>218360836I'm pretty sure you were supposed to notice how they deliberately move through homage sci-fi eras in every game.
>>218357413The trek shit, especially DS9 stuff, is just low effort dopamine farming. The tranny stuff, while annoying, is a bit more in-bounds considering JMS wanted Delenn to be a tranny and his other shows have been focused on them. Trying to relate a 90s show to contemporary politics is where things really go off the rails and should be squashed.
>>218358374From a "early death" angle, like Doyle, Conaway had addiction problems that caught up with him. The production tried to make the most of its limited budget and sometimes that included getting better talent than they should have been able to afford because those actors had other issues that made them undesirable to the bigger studios.
>>218343355>do not mistake her diplomacy for lack of power. she just chooses differently>Of all evil I deem you capable: therefore I expect the good from you.>Often I laughed at those who thought they were good because they had no claws
>>218351325>>218351400He seriously wowed me with Bester. Great char and brilliantly played by Walter. A crime it's so overlooked indeed.
>bester>is the best character Bravo Extrahacski.
>>218358121>>218358148>>218358187Before Sheridan, the races capitulated in the 1000 year cycle of war between the Vorlons and the Shadows because they knew no better. They didn't really understand who and what the Vorlons and Shadows were and what they were actually doing. Which was trying to mold the younger races into mini versions of each of their respective beliefs, instead of just being actual baby sitters, letting us grow on our own with gentle nudges and guard rails if we did something stupid. They made it personal to each of their beliefs and were hell bent on continui9ng an endless cycle until one sides beliefs prevailed. Sheridan, with the help of Drall and the great machine, created the crucible of galactic war with all of the younger races and the Vorlons and the Shadows and then used Drall and the machine to let every one see, in their minds, what was actually going on 'behind the scenes'. Once we all knew, we said 'yeah fuck you both' as evienced, no only to the viewers, but to the Vorlons and shadows as well, when the younger race fleet just jumped in front of Shadow missiles to defend. They (v/s) new then, they lost. Both lost. They could no longer deceive us into going along with this any longer and with the other remaining old ones coming into the fray as well, something that had never happened before. They (v/s) basically said, "ok, well, whatever, guess its over, we'll fuck off now".
>>218363604Well said, it's a shame mass effect couldn't have done something like that. Even if it was a direct rip off it would have been way better than what we got.
>>218351325i think about the scene where he leaves garibaldi on the monorail almost daily.
>>218363721One of the best villain speeches of all time. Couldn't find it on youtube but here's one of a lot of his fun lines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72fJb7a-s8
Nearing the finale on my watch>every time someone crosses the bridge in the docking bay
>>218364853Citizen G'Kar is best G'Kar. His great storytelling ability was definitely foreshadowed in Parliament of Dreams (S01E05) when he tells Catharine Sakai about Sigma 957 and the ant on his finger.
>>218362512I think fan reaction to her would be different if JMS had the Ivanova/Talia romance play out on screen and remain throughout the series.
>>218365092That was a great scene, really set the tone for the show. Gave the old ones a real air of mystique and awe.
>>218361391Boxleitner grew into the role and it really showed toward the end. As his character became more sophisticated, he became a better actor.The most notable example of this is after the war, when Earth is deciding what to do with him, whether to be taken out back and shot for desertion and treason, or to be awarded all the medals and promoted, he finangles for a pardon for all his staff, gets it in writing, and then militarily agrees to quietly disappear so the new powers of earth don't need to deal with his new galactic hero star power. He steps down publicly and militarily to appease the new earth political apparatus, but then takes the extremely public role of running the galactic alien cooperation political and military apparatus and infuriates earth to the point they want the pardons for his staff back because earth wants revenge. But he kept copies in safe places.It's a very duplicitous thing, very game of thrones, very political for Boxleitner. Not something a boy scout would do.
>>218365214And knowing that, it made it all the more potent when Sheridan told them to fuck off. And they did.
>>218365254>Not something a boy scout would do.the pejorative of "boy scout" is someone who does what is objectively right no matter what
>>218365320He was playing earth the whole time and he knew it. He kept his cards close to his chest on purpose. It was a 4D chess move. A proper boy scout would have faced the music and disappeared. But the actor and the character grew and evolved and played politic. Stepped down publicly and made earth happy, when behind the scenes had a backup plan, then very publicly takes control of the new superpower and the White star fleet, infuriating earth (but earth couldn't do anything about it). By any metric it was underhanded and not fair dealing. But the audience liked it because the audience is with Sheridan, not with Earth.
The ending of Deconstruction of Falling Stars is what I imagine leaving this place would be like when 4chan eventually shuts down. I enter my encounter suit for the final time, my true self never to emerge again as I vanish into the darkness between galaxies that is the normalfag internet.
>>218365092Honourable mention goes to Neroon. He was an excellent foil to Delenn, and yet when he saw for himself that her formidability came from the love others had for her, he couldn't compete with that and stepped aside.
>>218365400It will never cease to be awe inspiring to me that babylon 5 had not one but two good endings when most stories have none. The last episode of season 4 and 5 both can serve as the ending of the show and both are just as good. It really was a once in a generation miracle.
>>218365377He knew earth was in the wrong. "boy scouts" aren't restricted from playing all the angles.
>>218365400There is always the hope of a Babylon 6 or NextChan.
>>218363721>>218363781The Carmine Falcone monologue in Batman Begins for me. The delivery was a bit rushed, I'd have preferred that Tom Wilkinson pause between points to really ratchet up the tension, to reeeeeeally let Bruce Wayne realize he's in absolute life or death danger. He's not Batman at this point, just a really, really angry teenager with a bone to pick. Thinks taking a punch is toughness. He's literally having it explained to him, to his face, with a gun pointed at him that he could have his brains blown out at a whim, in full view of the public, and no one would question it. A room full of cops and judges and this guy can shoot the richest, most famous kid in the city and get away with it.That's some "he shot himself in the back of the head four times, from the inside of a locked duffle bag - must have been suicide" shit.
>>218365429I've actually considered next time I do a rewatch just going from Deconstruction to SIL and avoiding the whole season 5 quality drop entirely, but I'm kinda curious how it will feel watching two finales in a row
>>218363721>>218363781https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hexnuStarts at 31:17.
>>218342142To wife Captain Elizabeth Lochley. Which I have to remind EVERYONE that Tracy Scoggins was 45 years old at the time and looked AMAZING.
>>218365553I always skip to the last 4-5 episodes of S5 after the 1st 4. The whole Teep war thing is boring asf and I think handled poorly/rushed/should have been woven into earler season episodes etc al. Also Lochley is a poor replacement for Ivanova hands down. When the writer has to include in the script that "The new captain ain't so bad"...yeah...Fuck off JMS for that one you messed up.
>>218365776The teep war arc was rushed. Not bad. It should have been a slow burn.
>>218365776well nigger, they told him season 4 would be the last, then demanded a season 5, which he had to furiously yank out of his ass.
>>218340004Read some of the books OP. There's a book called "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" that explains what Sinclair did between seasons 2 and 3, and how he got the scar on his cheek that you see in War Without End, and it explains what happened to Catherine.The Psi Corps trilogy I'd also recommend because it's almost entirely about Bester, the Psi Cop. The first book begins with the discovery of telepaths and the hundred or so years that follows, and ends shortly after Bester is born. The second book cover's Bester from age 6 to right as he's leaving for Babylon 5 to deal with Jason Ironheart in season 1's Mind War. The third book is set after the events of both Babylon 5 and Crusade, so wait until after you finish the show for that one, but it's great.A fun tidbit, not sure if you've ever noticed but in every single scene Bester is in in the show, his right hand is always clenched in a fist. The second Psi Corps book explains why!
>>218365730the episode where some Harry Mudd type built robot whores modelled on her was extremely fap-worthy
For me it's Kelsey till she gets vaporized by Ironheart
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>>218340412>strong female character that has actual emotions and flaws.They used to do this all the time in the 80's and 90's. Female characters could be competent, capable, admirable role models without being stripped of their feminity. They could be strong while still being emotionally vulnerable. Then feminism came along telling us that patriarchy ran the world and that hollywood only wrote women as sex objects. And now what we once had has been replaced by the 'girlboss' - a woman written with no feminine qualities, as if she's a testosterone powered man, telling women the only way they can be powerful is to have no emotions (spoiler, real women have a lot of emotions) and to act like men. Thanks, feminism.
