>>218467484
It's way better than GITS

>>218467484
You sound fuckan gay nigga

>>218467484
That's cool, bro. Not everyone has to like everything.

Literally only the aesthetics are good but most people give it a pass. I had several friends ranting to me about how good it was for years, and when I finally watched it I was pretty disappointed. Plot and characters are bad and stuff just happens to justify flashy visuals.

The plot is not shit. The execution is shabby, particularly towards the end. You basically need a guide to tell you what the fuck is going on.

>>218467484
Go back to /a/ also read a Manga for a plot
Also there is an anime spammer here, mods need to ban th

>>218467564
>You basically need a guide to tell you what the fuck is going on
...no?

>>218467484
It's basically just service to those people who already read the manga and know the story saying "here's an abridged version with cool animation of all your favorite bits"

CANADA

>>218467484
>plotfag
One day you’ll grow up.

>>218467592
lol you retarded broccoli hair

>>218467707
let's not make crazy predictions when the ides of march are active

>>218467579
Sure. I bet you knew immediately that Tetsuo was creating his/its own universe by the end

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>>218467484
Style over substance works. There are themes and a story, but the cool part is you can ignore all of those in favour of the sick 80s animated action.

>>218467715
>hasn't read the manga
Retard

>>218467794
seethe zoomie seethe

>>218467804
>the worst thing a zoomer can imagine is being outed as a zoomer

>>218467564
That's because you're essentially watching the first third of the story, then since they weren't going to finish it they just forced it to pretend it ended and called it a day. It's like you watch Fellowship of the Ring, but they skip the next two movies and just say Frodo eventually got to Mordor and defeated Sauron. The End.

>>218467484
Agreed
I thought it was really boring

>>218467707
Everyone who unironcally says plotfag is fucking insufferable

>>218467484
The soundtrack is my favorite soundtrack of all time. It would have been SO easy to just go the conventional route and play atmospheric synth textures and it does do that but only when it feels right like the song that plays during Tetsuo’s flashbacks. The beginning song with the traditional drums and chanting makes it feel more intense in a “something bad is going to happen” way then 80s style rock plays shortly after. It’s all over the place in a good way

>>218467484
Yeah it's overrated. Great animation obviously, but not a whole lot else going for it. It's undoubtedly hugely influential, but it's one of those things where its successors did everything it did better.

>>218467484
>but the plot is shit
Yeah they had to cut some major plot points out of the manga to make the movie happen
I havent read the manga but everyone who has says pretty much the same thing, which is they did a remarkable job making the movie even kind of make sense given what was removed due to runtime
Like crucial information about what is happening in this world is just gone

>>218468090
No you are insufferable. You are too fucking stupid to read a book and don’t want to accept that an audio VISUAL medium doesn’t have to go heavy on the plot or dialogue and want it all to cater to you because you’re too stupid to read a book as we covered

>>218468158
>muh PRETTY COLORS
and if you care about visuals just look at photos and paintings fucktard

>>218468125
Agreed, the soundtrack is incredible.

>>218468158
>just read Le book bro
lmao absolute midwit

>>218468171
This is such a dumbass NO U paintings don’t move
>hurr im just going to disparage an entire medium I hate and tolerate it because once again im too fucking dumb to read a book and I guess I have to watch the movie…

>>218468205
>dude I just can’t visualize Thanos snapping his fingers in my nigger brain I need to see it and a quip

>>218468158
/lit/ isn't sending their best

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>>218467484
>watching children's cartoons

>>218467546
spbp

>>218467484
The plot isn't really shit, the big problem is they made the movie before the comic was complete. The movie is almost the first half of the manga, so the plot the movie covers is all set up, and the payoff happens in the second half of the manga, so you just get an ending that feels a bit rushed and unsatisfying.

>>218467873
>no u
at least you're up on how retards always behave online zoomie

>>218467484
the plot made perfect sense to me, you guys might just be retards who need to be force fed everything by the writers in order to have even an inkling of understanding. in other words you are worse than cattle.

>>218467715
But he’s right. I always considered the anime like a companion piece.

>>218467484
It's trash. Anime was a mistake.

>>218467484
That's the point; it was style over substance. The plot was an after thought.

>>218468431
always since when, the time you half watched it while on your phone in 2021?

>>218467522
Fpbp

>>218468408
Well, this is still an anime so discussion of any sort always brings about the most brain dead autistic retard who thinks characters standing around discussing everything that happened and will happened until a big fight happens is peak writing. They also don’t understand that before that established formula became the norm for max profits anime like Akira were made more like movies

>>218467560
tpwp

>>218467484
Yes the writing is absolutely terrible.
You watch it for the action and the set pieces and the art and the soundtrack - that's the beauty of film, the plot isn't that important, whereas in a TV show the plot is everything.

>>218467484
>I didn't like it.
That's good, it really is incredibly boring. Try watching something for grown-ups instead.

>>218468090
nta but plotfags are worse.
Grow up and learn to appreciate other (more important) aspects of film already.

>>218468256
He's not wrong though. A good director and DP can do shitloads of heavy lifting without needing a single line of dialogue.
The object lesson is the opening of A New Hope.
You get the brown dusty planet, the corvette racing in from bottom of camera, the laser bolts chasing after it, and then the massive star destroyer coming in from top of frame and dominating the image.
You don't need someone explaining intergalactic politics, you go "oh, those guys are being chased by an imposing evil force... and shit now there's a robot nigger strolling through a gun fight and chokes a dude with hand.
Stephen Soderbergh had a great entry on his blog about how blocking and staging a scene is so important that you can strip out almost everything else and again, you know whats going on.
With the above two examples, its not artsy-fartsy bullshit, its just basic-bitch film technique.
Stuff that (You) may not have noticed... but your brain did.

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>>218467562
I dont care for it as a movie, but I'd be lying if I said that it isn't very impressive to look at. It pretty much just has cultural status and something you feel obligated to watch to say you did animation wise.

>>218468171
>i don't understand the difference between a static image and a moving one.
>i don't understand what blocking is and how it affects the moving image and how much skill it takes to block a scene correctly.
>i know nothing about lighting either
Yes we can tell.

>>218468408
It doesn't make sense because it literally isn't complete. There's zero reason for it to even be called Akira. Unlike in the Manga, Akira doesn't even do anything in the movie and is only briefly glimpsed. After the ending of the movie, Akira is to become the new God of the post-apocalyptic mankind and is worshipped by cults all over. There's no sense if that's all missing.

>>218467484
Holy FUCK this is TRASH

>>218468869
Akira is literally the foundation of everything that happens in the film. You might be braindead.

>>218467484
Holy FUCK this is KINO

>>218468869
I don’t fuckingcare if it was a change due to constraints Akira(then Tetsuo I suppose) being a Star Child that transcends human form is so cooler than what is originally in the manga

>>218469285
ignorant smelly bugerclap

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>>218467484
>but the plot is shit
The plot is as straight forward as they come.

>>218467522
No.

>>218467484
It mangles the manga's story, even factoring in how the source story wasn't finished back then. Honestly the manga is just really fucking mid regardless. The Akira movie is famous for its animation and art quality at the time, which is the only praise it deserves.

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How come in the '90s we got cool anime like Akira, GitS, SF2, Patlabor 2 and Ninja Scroll and now it's all just faggy anime that looks like shit and is vaginal???

>>218469774
>at the time
No it still holds up in that department and looks better visually than a lot of current digital soulless shit anime that beaners go crazy for

>>218468654
>You don't need someone explaining intergalactic politics, you go "oh, those guys are being chased by an imposing evil force... and shit now there's a robot nigger strolling through a gun fight and chokes a dude with hand
did you forget the opening credits?

>>218469872
>How come in the '90s we got cool anime like Akira, GitS, SF2, Patlabor 2 and Ninja Scrol
Those were all directed like traditional movies then shit like DBZ and other shonen shit getting insanely popular solidified a format

>>218467484
>It's way more popular than GITS btw. Idgi.
Because it's more visually stimulating. Don't be dumb.

>>218470332
Ghost in The Shell also looks amazing and arguably better
https://youtu.be/lnKmw6lC0os?si=jYwErsG9aoQ-vQOH

>>218467522
ehhh They both have strengths and weaknesses in how they address the underlying philosophical issue, Akira is more action oriented but ends up not really explaining what it was trying to explain since they cut a huge amount of the manga plot that explores it, GitS explains it too much to the point of having long speeches that are clearly just the writers saying their piece through the characters
they're both beautiful films with interesting perspectives, I think Akira overall is a better film to watch but GitS is a better film to think about if that makes sense

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>>218470405
>It has prettier girls thus better

>>218470405
More visually stimulating* on a moment to moment basis to the average individual. GitS is the better "film" in terms of wanting your cerebrum stimulated. AKIRA is the better film in terms of wanting to be entertained. They both have things worth talking about, and they're both worth viewing. Personally I prefer GitS.

>>218467484
All I can tell you is that the movie cuts out about 70% of the total story from the manga and basically acts as a "greatest hits album."

You might therefore understand the story a lot better if you read the manga.

Same thing for Nausicaa.

>>218467484
>the plot is shit
If you want plot, read the manga.
The anime was animation's equivalent of a tech-demo.

>>218467484
Akira is a good movie period. If you got filtered by the plot, that's on you for being retarded.

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>>218467484
it looks better and came out before ghost in the shell. a lot of those classic animes (Akira, Gunbuster, Ghost in the Shell) have the RE4 problem (like the matrix and bladerunner, but bladerunner is ass) where they were aped to hell and back by everyone else so it's hard to see how grownbreaking they were at the time because at the time there was nothing like it, but now everyone just copies it
A big thing with Akira is how it looks and sounds while being one of if not the first dubbed animes to show up in the US that was intended for "adults" and has a unique setting
>>218467522
I preferred GitS
>>218467562
>>218467564
I liked Akira, GitS and gun buster, but they all had structural/pacing issues. Random scenes that drag but then they just rush complete acts and don't really develop some of the characters enough

>>218467757
I'm not sure if Akira had digishit. GitS and bebop both have some digishit, but it's before digishit ruined the anime asthetic. Akira is like the most expensive animated films ever made and came out right before the japanese economy crashed at the end of the asset bubble

>>218467484
I hate to be an oldfag and say “you just had to be there” but it’s true. I love both the movie and the manga. At the time cartoons were stuff like Transformers and GI JOE, it was violent and a lot more mature, plus visually stunning. It sucked people in and became the “Gateway” anime for a lot of people. It was shilled for over 30 years as the anime you need to watch.

>>218468126
I don't think there is anything that looks as good, especially when they were rapidly approaching the recession and the digishit global appeal era
>>218468304
hey, there are tits. it's obviously a teenager's cartoon

>>218468143
>>218467950
>>218468352
Akira is better than Scott Pilgrim, but it's the fucking scott piligrim movie problem with the added japanese weird pacing issues
>>218468408
the plot makes sense, it just isn't complete. it rushes through the third act both because the comic wasn't finished yet and because they just ran out of runtime

>>218470892
i don't know of any animes that copy akira or gits in any significant way. i also disagree with the random scenes that drag. the only flaw akira the film has is failing to adequately explain what akira is. he was a boy experimented on, we see that through a flashback sequence, but that doesn't explain why he became a psychic living atom bomb.

gits has two flaws related to action: the major vs the sunglasses thug. at one point, he's thrown up and to the ground, and her silhouette is shown to be standing upright and completely still, as if she didn't just throw him up and do the ground. it reeks of
>whoa isn't it cool she's in a neutral stance
but it comes off as silly for anyone who's ever had to physically exert themselves for literally anything at all. the second bit is when bateau is chasing the same thug in the market. he shoots at the melons beneath his feet instead of shooting him because whoa that's cool. beyond these two moments, it's a perfect film about adult angst and growth.

>>218468869
>There's zero reason for it to even be called Akira. Unlike in the Manga, Akira doesn't even do anything in the movie and is only briefly glimpsed.
like the maltase falcon?

>>218469391
nta, but eat shit, thirdie
>>218469872
the japanese economy had a huge speculation bubble in the 1980s and then collapses in 1990. So all the stuff from the mid to late 80s that people care enough to dub was done by industry vets with high budgets and a huge amount of freedom either due to the OVA market or because they got shit greenlit due to all that money floating around.
By the 90s there are still some good anime like GitS and Cowboy Bebop, but GitS and Bebop have some digital aspects and it's amazing Bebop even got made. By the 2000s, a lot of the old guard would have retired, there was no budget, a bunch of shit was being made to sell toys to kids on both japanese and American tv as opposed to something like Akira or GitS which were intended to sell tickets/vhs tapes. American comics and animation both moved to digishit in the same time and that's why anime, comics and cartoons all look like ass now

>>218470969
>I don't think there is anything that looks as good, especially when they were rapidly approaching the recession and the digishit global appeal era
True, maybe it's unfair to say its successors did *everything* better. But there are movies that still look plenty good in their own right, AND have a lot more substance than Akira does. Akira is a visual spectacle, I'll give it that, and that does have merit. That alone just isn't really enough for me to consider it an all-timer.

>>218470302
DBZ is from the 80s and was on tv. Akira and GitS were films and the patlabor stuff was a mix of films and like direct to VHS series that were funded through VHS sales and not toy sales. but yeah the toy market on TV became the only real market when the japanese economy went under

>>218468408
whether it makes sense or not, it just isn't particularly interesting. it's a style over substance movie, and that's fine, but let's not pretend otherwise.

>>218470493
Akira says what it wants to say and that's
>the government is full of a bunch of corrupt assholes who fucked us in WWII and are fucking us again
GitS is also weird because it's totally different than the manga, like the director intentionally rewrote it because he didn't want to do a straight adaptation

>>218471007
>i don't know of any animes that copy akira or gits in any significant way.
the matrix rips off stuff from Akira and GitS and kill bill rips off stuff Akira

>>218471345
the matrix and kill bill don't seem like good qualifiers for
>aped to hell and back by everyone else
the matrix took the green text, which in either film is just wicked window dressing. neo isn't like the major, larry fishburne isn't like batou, etc. the wacalaca brothers of course took inspiration but how much these films were ripped off is always overblown.

>>218467630
TEXACO

>>218467484
Honestly and truly, a completely dogshit plot.

>>218467484
Chinese cartoons are gay

My friend suckered me into watching Akira by saying “it’s all about a biker gang bro, you’ll love it” and then, before I knew it, there were blue old kids and giant blob power monsters. My problem with Akira perfectly explains my problems with anime as a whole: ultimately the japs just can’t fucking help themselves. They cannot help but tism out and go full retard on their plots and characterizations. What a weird fuckin race of people.

>>218468125
Kaneda’s Theme is indeed good

>>218467484
>>218467562
legit never understood why people fuss about the plot. the plot is good.

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>>218467757
but what if I want to watch a feature film not a collation of gifs/webms/tweets.

I enjoy plenty of films that prioritize style, like 'Reflection in a Dead Diamond' last year, but they actually structure the thrust of the film around subjugation of narrative to that adventurist formalism not just stitching together spectacle highlights around poorly executed traditional narrative driven scenes.

I think you can err in going beyond worshiping form over function right into veneration of craft and medium in this case animation - which can be acceptable depending on the scope of the project and you can recognize Akira's accomplishments in that regard while still contending with its holistic attempt/shortcomings at delivering a narrative feature film.

>>218471497
blue old kids AND giant blob power monsters? what the fuck? jesus christ nuke those faggots, that shit sounds deranged as fuck

>>218471378
For GitS specifically, james cameron said he took parts of it for avatar. there are vidya and tv things in the west that are based on GitS and Akira and I'm sure there are even more animes based on them that never got dubbed and got forgotten. the witchkoswki trannies, Tarantino and Cameron are all known weebs. Spielberg and Lucas also both said they liked Akira

>>218471605
>veneration of craft and medium in this case animation
it is interesting how much anime discourse about "sakuga", budget, quality and worth is driven by a proximate Labor Theory of Value principle

>>218471497
The only thing about Akira that doesn't make sense is that the guy who wrote it was born in 1954 and had no older brothers. the theme in Akira and in some of his other works like fireball, stink bomb and canon fodder are all based at seething about the japanese government for WWII and seething about the occupational government in the 60s and 70s before the economy got good and all of the student protests in "free" asia in like hong king, japan and korea in the 60s and 70s.
nips absolutely do weird retarded shit like the pacing for a lot of this shit, but Akira is basically just straight up seethe based on what was really happening in japan in the decades immediately after WWII

>>218471581
the plot makes sense but they start rushing it in the third act for time constraints and a lot of anime seem to be paced weird, probably due to japanese directors

>>218470927
Akira had digital stuff but it was mostly covered over by normal animation. Most of the falling debris/missiles and spinning shots, etc were made with CGI then essentially rotoscoped over

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>>218471674
You're gonna have to run that by me again. You say the only thing about Akira that doesn't make sense is Otomo was born in 54 and had no older brothers, and then don't connect that at all to the rest of your post. What does Otomo not having older brothers have to do with the protests, and the post-war subject matter? Otomo was born in 1954, so he grew up in the post-war period, why would it be weird that his works were about that? He would have heard thousands of stories growing about life before, during, and immediately after WW2.

>>218471703
Akira, GitS and Cowboy Bebop are largely hand drawn traditionally animated animes that use computers to supplement certain shots or scenes they wouldn't be able to do with just traditional animation, like treasure planet is a similar western film that does similar things.
Whereas modern animes have shitty digital lines and digital colors and are like those really fucking hideous digitally colored comics or like how modern animation like the new king of the hill or new tom and jerry looks like ass because it's all digishit
>>218471732
Cause Akira is like a retelling or a longer version of his short story fireball and fireball is about the nip army drafting the main character's older brother, finding out that he's a psychic and then literally stripping away his flesh until he's just a brain while the main character tries to break in and save him.
it's an obvious allegory to someone seething about imperial japan sending japanese soldiers to die in WWII. I thought he was born in like the late 30s, was too young for war and his brother got sent off to war and died

Anime just proves that two nukes weren't enough.

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>>218471378
Yeah, The Matrix is a way bigger ripoff of Hyperion, with some Dark City gnostic framing, and a comic called The Invisibles. There's also an importance on 90s raver culture, which is why it sucks that the Matrix has such a terrible song to play out on during the credits. It's not a very original film though.

>>218469916
>opening credits
Never ever read them for like 20 years. My young self was like
>having to read text in a movie. Boooooring

Yet, it didn't stop me from getting a sense of the story because i don't lack imagination and can connect dots.
Sadly, i'm aware most people don't and require exposition. It's exhausting having to yell I DON'T KNOW / JUST WATCH IT after the millionth time the person next to you wants to be spoonfed.

>>218471853
>matrix was heavily influenced by capeshit comics
This explains a lot. Especially the trooning out.

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>>218471771
>someone seething about imperial japan sending japanese soldiers to die in WWII
What separates good cyberpunk from bad for me is drawing on the experience of isolation and the disillusionment with "progress" that came after WWII. The author wasn't the only one with the insight to be wary of the post war world order, Americans on the 'winning' side also understood they somehow lost anyways.

Akira feels like a companion piece to Philip K. Dick, down to having espers and alternate spiritual realities.

>>218471894
the trooning out was due to drug induced sissy humiliation bdsm play
>>218471853
>>218471378
pretty sure the witchkowski troons specifically cite GitS by name as an influence
>>218472062
the cyberpunk stuff is universal, but a lot is specifically seething over the nip government. Like the director for battle royale was working in a bomb factory in japan during WWII, it got bombed and he was trapped under rubble for days before he managed to get out and the nip government never sent anyone to help

>>218472192
>witchkowski troons specifically cite GitS
They are free to do so, but the Machines as they are called and what they do is wholesale from Hyperion, except they really do the original script bit and they aren't just batteries.

>>218471162
The plot of Akira is that a shadowy government agency with unlimited power and budget is trying to turn orphan children into psychic weapons even though occasionally the kids break out of containment and go on rampages that end up causing death and destruction on an unbelievable scale.

If you don't find that interesting, what the fuck WOULD interest you?

I feel like the kind of person who doesn't like Akira's plot is someone who likes degenerate junkie nonsense like "Pink Flamingos" instead.

>>218472990
not only that but it's a direct reference to imperial japan and the shitty colonial occupied japanese governments post WWII (possibly also hong kong and south korea) and the student protests and biker gangs in japan at the time

>>218467484
I went through a marathon of watching this, GitS, Perfect Blue etc. within a few days of each other. All the classic "great" animes.

Frankly I found them all okay but significantly underwhelming. All style, no substance.

>>218473062
Yeah, you can get into the various sub-plots and talk about cultural influences and get as detailed as you want, but my point is that the plot of Akira can be easily summed up in a single sentence, and it's obviously a highly original science fiction/disaster movie plotline and this thread is full of people who keep saying it has no plot, or they don't "get" the plot, or the plot is "uninteresting," and I can't fucking imagine what these people WOULD find interesting if Akira is "Blasé" to them.

I feel like we're trying to have a good faith discussion with people who are just mental midgets in real life and I'm fucking tired of it and I'm calling them out.

"Oh, Akira is so BORING, it doesn't even have a fat ugly deranged tranny hooker eating literal dogshit, now THAT'S something original! Ha ha ha!"

>>218473207
Please list three movies, animated or not, that you think have substance. I'm asking you.

Because I just can't believe you or take you seriously at all. What the fuck do find substantial?

>>218473243
The Pest
Freddy Got Fingered
Not Another Teen Movie

>>218473281
Thank you, you've validated my opinion completely. I feel a huge weight coming off my shoulders.

>>218467522
GITS has greater purpose while this is an individual's story

>>218473243
At the very least, Perfect Blue was a milqtoast psychological thriller that Hollywood has told a dozen times over but better.

As other anons have said, the other 2 were half a story and rushed.

>>218473436
>that Hollywood has told a dozen times over but better.
Such as?
>As other anons have said, the other 2 were half a story and rushed.
GitS is not half a story. It's a full story of adult angst in a sci-fi world that resolves with the protagonist entering a new chapter in her life. List three movies, animated or not, that you think have substance. Those three moves are aside from the "such as" I asked you vis-a-vis Perfect Blue and Hollywood.

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>>218473509
He won't.

>>218470736
The manga is worse than the movie though

>>218467484
>It looks good but the plot is shit.
You are not allowed to critique it because the manga was unfinished when they began production, so they had to cram 50 chapters into the movie.
There was just no other way.

>>218467950
>the first third of the story,
Is this really first part of the story? Because Kaneda's characterization was so fucking weak it felt like it was missing a lot of context.

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>>218473569
The manga is literally the movie but more.
>>218473641
Anon was misremembering. Akira the film covers the first 1000ish pages of the manga, which rounds out to precisely the first half. The manga has another thousand pages after the destruction of NeoToyko. However, even the parts the movie covers, volumes 1-3, are worth reading just to see how different and the same things are.

The unfortunate bit of business that must be said is that Kaneda doesn't really get more or less characterization. In both the comic and film, he's a motorcycle gang leader who winds up doing the right thing. We don't learn about his parents, or what particularly drives him to want do right.

>>218473738
>The manga is literally the movie but more.
Yes this is the problem, more bullshit, more underdeveloped characters, more uninteresting plotlines, just goes on and on and on. Terrible. Ending was worse. Having Akira be a little kid just hanging around was also worse. The changes and omissions for the movie were all major improvements in my opinion, that manga needed to be cut down a ton.

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>>218473827
Ehhh I don't need to know Tuco's past, Blondie's past, or Angel Eyes' past. It's a bunch of cool shit happening with characters that aren't wooden, helped along by pages drawn so goddamn well.

>>218473436
>>218473509
I think the weird pacing shit is just a japanese thing because a bunch of animes have that problem for some reason

>>218473641
there's like an entire act between when they find Akira's body and when they do the fight in the tokyo dome that's in the comic but not in the film

>>218474003
the film also skips the part where tetsuo becomes the leader of the rival gang. the film skips a ton of shit, but it would've been a 6 hour long movie if it didn't

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>>218467484
Highjacking this thread to say these 2 movies are boring as shit and I don't know why people have been dick sucking them on this site for 20 years.

>>218473871
none of the characters in the good, the bad and the ugly have a very deep motivation. they just want the money and Tuco and Blondie aren't complete bastards
>>218474045
they could have done it as an OVA, but the quality would have been way worse than a theatrical film 08th ms team is like 6 hours long, but it's also gundam and was selling toys

>>218474070
isn't the animation really good at least?

>>218474084
Not that many people actually have any appreciation for animation, no matter how good or bad it is. People who DO appreciate animation find this very hard to believe, let alone understand, but it's true.

You can show about 50-60% of people literally ANY piece of animation no matter how complex, fast-paced, or technical it is, and it's like they don't see it at all, they'll just say, "Yeah, so what? It's still just a dumb cartoon for little kids."

They aren't saying that to troll you or make you mad, that's really how they think. Animation = kiddie crap. Your favorite piece of animation = kiddie crap. The most technically difficult and impressive piece of animation ever made = kiddie crap.

In my experience, these same people are hardly impressed by absolutely anything, they don't read books, they don't particularly enjoy films, including live-action, they don't really care about any piece of music, they don't read poetry, they aren't persuaded by arguments, they're not impressed by stunning sights like the stars at night or the view from the top of a mountain. They don't really "feel" anything, they don't have deep thoughts, and they tend to think everybody else besides them is stupid.

You'll always find a shitload of these people on this site, in almost every thread, calling anything that anybody likes "shit." And those of us who love art or animation or great stories try to come back and say, "Well what do YOU think is good, then?" and 99% of the time, we don't get an answer from them, but it's not because they're trolling us, it's because there IS no answer. They don't like anything, they don't appreciate anything, nothing makes an impact on them. If they do like something, it's usually something crass and vulgar, or maybe brutal violence, or sexually depraved, or a combination of these. Sometimes they dimly appreciate other people's misfortune, especially someone who is otherwise better off than them, like when a bird shits on a nice car.

>>218474300
i did not need a paragraph explaining how most people don't appreciate animation

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>>218474084
It's good. All of Oshii's animated films are worth watching. He's a little self-indulgent, and most certainly his films aren't for everyone, but they're gold if you enjoy films that actively try to be artsy.

>>218474300
>You'll always find a shitload of these people on this site, in almost every thread, calling anything that anybody likes "shit."
>say, "Well what do YOU think is good, then?" and 99% of the time, we don't get an answer from them
this is a huge problem on 4chan and it doesn't get talked about nearly enough

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>>218467484
>my vagina when he pulls out the anime

>>218474337
Yeah, well, I needed to write it.

With any luck, you're fully vaccinated and took at least two boosters. I sincerely hope that to be the case.

>>218474358
If I was a mod, which I never will be, I'd make it a rule that anybody who criticizes any film or TV show gets a 3-day ban unless they mention their favorite alternative piece of media in the same post. Then after about three months of that, I'd bump it up to a 30-day ban.

That would take care of it completely, but that's also why I will never be a mod. I'm interested in improving the level of discourse and discussion, and I have no idea what the fuck the mods of this board or this entire website are interested in, but not that, obviously.

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>>218474300
>say, "Well what do YOU think is good, then?" and 99% of the time, we don't get an answer from them
You just want to shit on something they like because you're butthurt that they just shat on something you like. We all know this so why bother answering?

>>218474358
>this is a huge problem on 4chan
It really isn't.

>>218474575
Which is completely valid.

If somebody tells me they think Akira is boring and their favorite movie is Space Jam, that's a completely valid counter-argument, so valid that I don't even need to reply to such a person at all.

There is also nothing to stop them from lying, you can say anything, you just have to say SOMETHING.

The idea that you should be free to lob your criticism of any piece of art and be under no obligation to reveal your own tastes for consideration is the peak, the absolute pinnacle, the literal Platonic Ideal of perfect intellectual cowardice.

>Well you're only going to shit on what I like because I shit on what you like.

Yes, exactly, you fucking absolute retard. Then we might actually GET somewhere. There would be an actual POINT to discussions instead of everything devolving to a shit-flinging contest which rewards whoever flings the most shit, which is all this fucking board and site are.

What I'd like to do is replace the mindless shit-flinging with actual conversations, because if you had to defend your own position, you'd be required to think and reason and argue, and utilize a higher faculty than your itchy asshole for the first time in your life.

It's no wonder that you don't see the point in that. You should be a mod here, you have no standards whatsoever and don't see the point in having any. Congratulations, your kind are in charge. Not just here, but all over the world.

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>>218474718
FYI this is known as "Casting Pearls Before Swine"

Redline is my favorite animated movie
Akira has some great visuals though

>>218474783
I want to create a 4chan where smart people who put effort into their posts WIN, and everybody else gets beaten down and ignored.

As opposed to what we have now which is a 4chan where everybody just shits on everything and the stupid and the intelligent alike get the same amount of shit flung in their face and there's no fucking point to anything and the smartest move is not to post anything at all and not to read anything or even be here.

At least "pearls before swine" involves some fucking pearls. At least there was a pearl in there somewhere. What we have now is swine before swine.

>>218474795
I am gonna watch Redline tomorrow, just because you had the courage to fucking say this.

>>218474860
you won't be disappointed
I think the director worked on it for 8 years or something

>>218474070
They aren't boring. They're intelligent and geared towards adults. You just wanted more Dragon Ball Z with constant punching and energy blasts, which is why your low-iq ass was bored.

>>218474575
It really is. Every post needs to be contrarian turned up to 11. A group of anons say they like a movie and start discussing it? Better go in and start insulting them, saying how shit it is and repeating copy/paste criticisms since I haven't even seen it! Can't make an opening post without insulting the movie or your thread will get no traction and die. Unless it's the popular opinion to hate it, then just say you love it and it'll reach bump limit. This board is really dumb.

CANADAAAAA

>>218473220
Your either new or also a mental midget if u did not figure out years ago most of the posters here are either retarded or here to fuck with the heads of others

>>218467484
It had the problem of being based on a manga that at the time was incomplete so they had to wing the ending.

>>218467484
I just rewatched vampire hunter D bloodlust
Good stuff
Ninja scroll isn't bad either

>>218467484
You could use this exact same description for Blade Runner

>>218475772
It was very much the Fullmetal Alchemist of it's day