theatrical or extended?
extended for fellowship, theatrical for two towers and return
>>218561931This is the patrician and scholalry answer.
>magic elfs and gringlegrumblesYou have to be 18 to post here
>>218561775Neithercal.
Extended is the only version of every film.
>>218561775Theatrical for LOTR, extended for The Hobbit.
>>218562047
>>218561775Fellowship is the best of the trilogy.
>>218561775Theatrical. The EE's are awful.
Me? I prefer the books actually.
>>218561775theatrical for your first watchextended for your secondthen whichever you liked better after that
>>218561990thank you. i also believe the only reason to watch extended TTT is the drinking of the ent draught scene.
>>218561775As much as I like some of the additions the pacing is genuinely better in the theatrical. That film breezes by considering its length. The extended drags during the Hobbiton section
cartoon is betters
>>218568418/thread
>>218561931Literally the opposite imho. The extended scenes break up the pacing in the first two but RotK stays steady.Also really hate that they cut Saurumans death from the theatrical version. Kind of weird that the most prominent antagonist from the first two movies just kind of disappears. It's a damn good scene too.
>>218561775Extended, always extended. If Im watching a story I want to see the entire shit. Fuck you mean you cutting shit out, you dont tell halfstory to someone>"B-but its boring"I DONT CARE
>>218574564Saru's death was corny. The fact he was killed is obvious.
>>218575052Nah, in the theatrical they just mention that he's locked up in his tower and then never say his name again
35mm Film Scan Open Matte is the only way to go
>>218569567The music video tops the cartoonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw_lQO9jYR4
Theatrical first watch. Extended 2nd watch if you really enjoyed it.
Theatrical for all. Extended has some really rough stuff and outright repetition and only really Saruman's death is needed.
>>218577737You said this to sound smart or reddit, but 35mm open matte doesn’t exist. The 35mm reels were anamorphic. No such thing as “open Matte” existed for LOTR except digitally.
>>218561775I saw fellowship extended and stopped there. I can't believe how many retards hail the extended.
Fellowship: extendedTwo Towers: theatricalReturn of the King: extended
>>218565649>>218574957/thread
>theatricucks miss out on kino like this Couldn't be me.
>>218561775Personally I go extended theater extended. And if I could just cut the song during theodin's son's funeral I'd do triple extended
Extended is fine since everything depicted, except some bad CGI, is done well. This of course assumes you have ample free time to digest all of it at once and have seen them before. ROTK perhaps has the most fluff but it spaces out the war segments.
>>218578180>>218578476Uh oh, your bot broke.
Theatrical. Even PJ says the theatrical versions are the definitive versions.
>>218578460literally the only scene from the extended edition of Two Towers that's necessary. Mind boggling it was left out.
>>218561775The theatrical cut is actually the definitive version according to Jackson. He basically made the extended cut as fanservice.
>>218574957Read the book instead
Fellowship either oneTwo towers extendedReturn of the king extended
>>218578840Faramir's story in Two Towers is more interesting if his motivations aren't explained in detail this early, his family dynamics were a twist in Return. Also Denethor is so comically villainous in the films that the less scenes he has the better.
>>218579183I'm really lazy about reading and still haven't gotten past The Hobbit. Is Denethor particularly less of a 'mad king' type and more level headed in the books?
>>218579504In the books Denethor is cold and harsh, but he's not mad or evil. He's actually a competent leader and very intelligent. And he doesn't send Faramir to die pointlessly.
>>218579504Denethor hides his madness until the last moments. He's not a tomato ravisher, just surly.
>>218561931Some of extended ROTK is good and even necessary, a few parts of it are really bad though (pirate Peter and war criminal Aragorn).
>>218561931fpbp, unequivocally correct
>>218561931>saruman vanishing off-screenNo thanks
>>218561931Hard agree.
>>218561775Extended for all three films
>>218561775Theatrical for the first time, extended for every single time after that. I don't give a flying fuck about the "pacing" here. I want to spend as long as humanly possible in Middle Earth and with all the characters. If there was a version of the film that was a 1-to-1 recreation of every single second portrayed in the book, INCLUDING the 16-year time gap with Frodo in the Shire and the 4 years between the hobbits ousting Saruman from the Shire and when Frodo leaves for Aman, I would watch the 175,200 hours of runtime for 8 hours a day for the next 60 years.
>>218561775The theatrical cuts only existed because movie theaters didn't want to do toilet breaks in the middle of the movies.
>>218561931Karl Urban's scream is enough to warrant extended RotK for me. TTT I'd lean toward theatrical yea.
>>218561931If theatrical ROTK included the death of Saruman there would be almost no reason to watch the extended version
>>218578460>spoils denethor being a cunt
>>218585822>Introduces Denethor's character and shows him being a cunt >This somehow spoils the introduction of Denethor's character and him being a cunt
>>218579504Oh anon...
>>218584527Based Fucking AnonRight there with you, bud.
>>218584527Unironically upvoted
>>218561775Theatrical since that's the version that the creators of the film intended and prefer.
>>218586599If they intended theatrical, why did they shoot all the extra scenes, including those shot after the release of RotK in 2003?
>>218586680To satisfy the fans and money
>>218586720So they're spineless?
>>218586734Idk
>>218561775top is how i got to know the movie cause i watched it in theater and then on dvd and i how i still remember it and feel it in my consciencewith that said i kinda don't mind the extended of it all in a way cause after all it's still more of it all and it's still a legit official thing that got made back thenalthough i gotta say when i finally got to watch all the extended in recent years i thought only two towers actually benefits from the extended stuffbut it's my feelingi almost cannot accept neither recognize the extended of fellowship desu
>>218561775either way you shall watch theatrical of fellowship as a first time as that's the one that got the recognition and alland possibly in bluray or dvd if you will but not the 4kafter that you can do fuckall i guess
>>218568302this is the least controversial opinion of all time
>>218568302The best overall? Yes, although my favorite is Two Towers. However it should really be treated as 1 movie in 3 parts because how the hell could you sit down and watch Fellowship and then not watch TT and ROTK within a short time afterwards?
>>218587336>how the hell could you sit down and watch Fellowship and then not watch TT and ROTK within a short time afterwards?well believe it or not we actually did
The Internet agreed long ago, the extended cuts. Which turns out to be wrong, because the theatrical cuts are so much better (for everything really, not only LotR, with few exceptions) I really wonder what the fuck is wrong with people.
>>218561775Extended obviously, are you fucking retarded?
>>218561775Watched all of these at my local kinoplex this winter (extended). It took half a fucking day buy I never lost interest, and I've seen them 10+ times already. At the end, about 90% of people were still there, not a high drop off rate for an endurance test like that. It's sad that we'll never get something like it again. A bunch of white dudes having fun
>>218561931thisthere are a handful of extended scenes in towers and king that would be nice to keep, but in an all or nothing situation I'd prefer theatrical
>>218587366Damn, sucks to suck I guess.
>>218588572>>218588406I've noticed this is generally the normie consensus. It used to be here that overwhelmingly anons preferred extendeds but once enough failed normies came here and stayed the general opinion has changed. For the worse I might add. You are part of the problem, and every problem with society. I'll bet you don't even put the cart back in the return area after shopping, and if you do, you just put it in the general area and not actually locked into another cart.
>>218588831I've noticed this is a newfag response, doublenigger.
I just want to say that I didn’t bother to read this thread as if anyone has bothered to say the theatrical is superior to extended is a contrarian faggot and is baitingTheatrical are great films but extended is just more greatnessThere isn’t a single bad scene in the extended that is trimmed by the theatrical and you are a retard if you think otherwise This thread is overEveryone shut the fuck up
>>218561931Unfathomably correct take.
>n-no I'm i-in c-c-charge h-herepathetic
>>218561775Did they fix the color grading in the newest releases of the film?
>>218561775it this point it doesn't matter. just throw it on.
>>218588957you're wrongtheatrical of fellowship is what made this moviesdeny it and you only out yourself more as a nutsack
>>218589494theatrical is for the mainstream audience since 3 hours of runtime was already pushing it. Of course the extended film would have had a harder time gaining popularity but who gives a shit about that now, if you are a fan you have no reason to ever go back to the diet version of the movie
>>218589737yeah he would miss out on the epic skull waterfall scene and of course the uh oh stinky eowyn stew scene
>>218589775this but unironically
>>218587336I have seen the movies split over a season and I have seen the movies marathon'd in the same day, and I would argue that splitting them up a bit is preferable. If you watch them all at once it feels like everything happened just an hour ago, because it more than likely did. It defeats the atmospheric purpose of the grand journey taking time.
>>218561775Extended insists upon itself
>>218561931I prefer extended in Return because of the inclusion of Aragorn exiting the realm of the dead and seeing his people suffering. When he falls to his knees with tears falling from his eyes that's the decisive moment he went from ranger to King in my eyes. Those weren't just people suffering, they were his people. the downside is the 3 bad aspects of that scene - when they have to run through "pirates of the carribean"esque rivers of skulls, the dead king appearing to let the audience know they accept Aragorn's offer (left ambiguous like in the theatrical cut is so much better) and the slapstick moment where gimli makes legolas shoot a pirate on the ship.
>>218561775Extended, always. Any other take is provably false and contrarian.
>>218585822>>218586303they should have added 5-10 minutes (even in the theatrical version) to show denethor going from a genuinely good person to the shell of himself that he is in the third movie, it would have made his behaviour even more jarring. (and clarified that sauron corrupted him using the palantir, which was basically never explained at all in the movies, rather merely hinted at?)
Neither. Grow up and stop watching elfshit.
the extended opening of Fellowship flows betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PcUnqlPA8Aand now compare it to the theatricalhttps://youtu.be/UXgbHdnoJrg?t=376
>>218561775Extended are for pseuds who want to get the "whole" story but are too lazy to read the books. Theatricals are perfect for what the movies are, fun fliicks, you will only get the real deal with the books.
Extended adds as much bad stuff as it does good stuff
I've never owned the theatrical cuts and only saw them in the cinema once, Im happy rewatching the extended editions over and over and never give it any thought or care about the theatrical versions.
>>218577798that's an extremely cringe euroshit
>>218569567I love that instead of barad-dur being destroyed there’s just a shot of a random evil looking castle blowing up
>>218588406Yep.Theatrical is far superior. No clue why people shill the extended. It's just so pointless and poorly paced.
>>218589775Don't forget the shitty orc-eating forest.
>>218561931Why? Explain it, please.
>>218562047You do not pass!
>>218580157in the book he said he wanted faramir to die instead of boromirso, yes denethor is no doubt an asshole, the movies simply make it even more obvious
>>218561931/tv/ is slowly maturing enough to admit Fellowship is the only good movie and the rest are proto-capeslop
>>218561775DUDE WHAT IF WE SHOW ISILDUR TURNING INVISIBLE AND RUIN THE BILBO TURNING INVISIBLE SCENE
Having justw watched the whole extended trilogy in the cinema a month or so ago, the extended of all is the way to go. In an ideal world there would be a middle ground that takes out Aragorn killing the mouth of Sauron but keeps Eomer's anguish etc, but as is, it's better to have a little too much than a lot of too little.
>>218574564In the theatrical, Pippin was the one who notices the Palantir, due to hobbits being inquisitive creatures. In the EE everyone sees the Palantir fall out of Saruman's body and Pippin just happens to be the one who grabs it first. Fuck the EE, it ruins basically every scene it touches
>>218586680They have thousands of hours of footage. Thats how movies are made. Peter Jackson even explain in the bts that he cut Saruman's scene in ROTK because it ruined the pace, even if Christopher Lee would feel downright hurt by it. The EE are literally just fan service, not a directors vision
>>218561775I can't think of a reason to not watch the extended versions if I am going to go through them all anyway. Sure not every scene adds to the movie, but I can hardly think of any that significantly detracts from it either.
>>218590196>please be patient I have autismWell you got that right. "Within a short time afterwards" =/= "all at once in the same day."
>>218589775Yes, he would miss out on those. That's why he should watch extended, you normie fuck.
>>218561775Theatrical hands down, although I think everyone should watch the extended cuts at least once to understand where the other side is coming from. I think there are maybe one or two scenes in the extended cuts that really do need to be in the theatrical, but it's mostly bloat.
>>218591210Same, although I didn't see the first one in the cinema. I watched the other two with my mom but I can't remember anything other than I really had to piss during the TT. I was like 10.
>>218561775theatrical for the superior pacing. I have the books if I want the complete version
>>218574564It's nice to have closure but Saruman's death was so gratuitously over the top that it ruins the scene for me.
>>218561931fpbp>>218591576this
As a kid I always thought the Two Towers was the best because of the big battle at Helm's Deep.Now I find that all the stuff I really admire about the series was in Fellowship.
I really like the music that starts playing in Fellowship when it first cuts to Arwen hauling ass on the horse with Frodo. https://youtu.be/igkBzeSnLNc?si=nRpgoKS08eU9fjfq&t=100
>>218595553This just reminded me of those videos of some italian or whatever dude who explained how they composed the music for the movies (there were english subtitles). The amount of work they put into it is damn impressive and no one talks about it. It was actually one of the reasons I started learning and playing music.
>>218584527This is a Reddit take but one I unironically agree with.
>>218595509The first time people watch the trilogy, they'll say Return is their favorite because it's the grand finale. On the first rewatch, they'll say Two Towers is their favorite because it's the halfway point, and that means Return comes next. From the second rewatch onward, they'll say Fellowship is their favorite because it means the adventure has just begun.
>>218595869hey I'm italian and I just started learning the piano so this is perfect, thanks for the suggestionIs it this guy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTsq7Uxp4n8
>>218588831>saying normie instead of normalfag2016 tourists pls kys
>>218595553Fun fact: The white stallion the stunt woman is riding was so excited and enthusiastic he outpaced the black riders easily and roared off into a massive lead, so the job of the stunt rider was to rein him in and keep it looking close.Second fun fact: At the end of the shoot the stunt woman want to keep the horse, but couldn't afford him, so Viggo bought it for her.
>>218561931Correct.
I’ve only seen the theatrical versions once each, which was opening night when they released. I don’t know why you’d ever not pick extended, they are a feast for the eyes and if you’re going to commit to LOTR why wouldn’t you put in an extra 45-60 minutes for each film?
>>218596624You're brown
>>218596718I am as white as humanly possible, Scandianavian with vitiligo.
>>218596448No, I watched it years ago and I don't think he showed his face.Anyway have fun learning music!
>>218596881ah, I'll keep digging then.And thanks!
>>218596655>I don’t know why you’d ever not pick extended, they are a feast for the eyes and if you’re going to commit to LOTR why wouldn’t you put in an extra 45-60 minutes for each film?Because muh pacing, among other bullshit reasons that normgroid wannabe movie critics parrot because they've been mind-poisoned by 15 years of youtube movie reviews from midwits who don't actually understand anything they're saying.
>>218597990I prefer the extended but plenty of examples have been brought up in this thread alone of extended scenes that don't add anything to the plot or cheapen later plot revelations. I don't mind that because I've seen the movies a gorillion times but I'd recommend to someone watching for the first time. Which, to be fair, pretty much everyone has at this point except for zoomers, third worlders and other obnoxious people you shouldn't care about, so who gives a shit anyway.
>>218561931actually genuinely unfathomably based
>>218574564Jackson wanted to maintain the possibility that the scouring of the shire was going to happen. Definitively killing off Saruman would have ended that in the first 20 minutes of RotK
>>218595869>>218596881It was a brazillian.
>>218598204>plenty of examples have been brought up in this thread alone of extended scenes that don't add anything to the plot or cheapen later plot revelations.Yeah it's not all about "adding to the plot," it's more Middle Earth and more characters. See that's midwit shit, only analyzing the plot and not the more ephemeral qualities to the story, themes, mood, etc. Midwits focus on the plot because they're just intelligent enough to be above the unwashed masses who can't actually critically analyze anything they're looking at, but not intelligent enough to understand the plot isn't the only thing that's important (or even the most important) in a film.
>>218561775After seeing extended so many times, theatrical is much better
>>218590457I could not disagree more!
>>218561775Theatrical 100%LoTR fans who foam at the mouth about the extendeds are the worst breed of people.It's impossible to talk about LoTR in any capacity without them asserting that the Extended Editions are the best
>>218578460>kills the momentum of the filmYeah great scene baka
>>218599324Yeah it's kind of like you're talking to a person about the weather but you keep insisting that the sky is green and you get mad that they seem to be disagreeing with a basic fact of reality and can't continue the conversation.
>>218590457>extended opening of Fellowship flows better You mean the opening that has two intros? Yeah that's some good flow you got there buddy!
>>218597990>Because muh pacingthe guy who made the movies literally said the extended cuts ruin the pacing of the theatrical versions, which anyone can confirm by watching the two
>>218599640"pacing" and "momentum" are bullshit terms that describe shit that nobody really cares about
>>218599674reddit is down the hall to the left
>>218568418Yeah if I'm showing somebody the trilogy for the first time I'm 100% showing them the theatrical version. The extended editions are great and they're a fun way to re-experience the films but the theatrical cuts are better movies.
>>218561931Holy based
>>218561775do you really have to ask?
>>218599324Yep. Total EEtard death
>>218599640Yeah, for first-time watchers anon. After that if you're not a fan of the films and all you want is more LOTR then you're going to watch the Extendeds every time after that. Also Jackson is the person who made Dead Alive, King Kong, and the Hobbit trilogy so I don't really give a shit what he says about pacing. If you watch the behind the scenes the only reason the movies were good was because enough people told Jackson "No" when he was trying to insist on putting horrendously stupid ideas into the movies.
>>218601691>MORE IS ALWAYS BETTER! IM LITERALLY A CHILD AND WANT MOAR! MOMMY GIVE ME MOAR CANDY I WANT MOAR MOAR MOAR!EE fans are insufferable, tasteless golems.
>>218601691You're contradicting yourself. The Extended Editions are literally Jackson shoving all the crap that was removed by the people who initially told him "no".
>>218565649Extremely wrong opinion. Less is very often more. TV was also better when an episode had to be exactly 22 or 44 minutes long instead of letting the director get away with whatever badly paced filler as they do now.
>>218601691>>218598870>>2185996742/10 bait
>>218601941So much this.I love your energy
>>218601996>The Extended Editions are literally Jackson shoving all the crap that was removed by the people who initially told him "no".Oh okay like the duel with Aragorn and Sauron at the Black Gate, or Arwen at Helm's Deep? You fucking faggot? Watch the material in question before you reference it without any idea what you're talking about.
>>218598681do you have the link?
>>218561775Always extended now. If I'm committing to watching them I don't need to save time, I'll take as much as I can get.Theatrical is best for a first timer and or a tolkien noob. Extended is best, though there is a couple of extended scenes I could do without, mostly Gimli "comedy" bits
>>218602578No. I meant more like the skull avalanche. Or you're gonna tell me that wasn't Jackson's idea? Or maybe you're gonna tell me you like that scene?
>>218597990Normgroids are the ones who push for the EE every time you disingenuous faggot
>>218568302Were you expecting people to disagree with you?
Seriously though, why is ROTK EE so bad? The CGI and green screen work are awful. It's like a half completed movie
>>218586303The scene in RotK where Denethor says "Yes, i wish that" doesn't land nearly as hard if you watch the stupid EE scene in Two Towers. You don't really know Boromir was that much of his favorite son until he says that line. In the TT EE scene he's already acting like Faramir doesn't matter to him.
>>218561775I enjoyed the extended as a stand alone film. The sequels are dogshit.
>>218588957Ok now i genuinely don't know if EE fags are just baiting or if they really think it's the better version
>>218590457>thanks for letting me know Hobbits are peaceful, Bilbo!Bro, you're gonna love the theatrical version of Blade Runner. It has lots of narration that explain everything the characters are thinking and feeling, since you can't seem to figure these things out from just watching the movie
>>218583851>>218577971>>218585307I still have no idea why they had to cut it>muh paceFuck dude, as a kid I kept wondering for ages what the hell was up with Saruman after everything. You can't just leave the most powerful man that shows up in the first two movies up to imagination. Main antagonist that actually exists gets killed offscreen???? That is not plausible at all, no amount of excuses would make sense.
>>218603458Who cares about it landing hard after the first viewing? You already know he's going to say it, so you're given new information that enhances Boromir's character (some argue it completely changes the perspective of him) and his relationship with Faramir, which makes Faramir's revelation to Frodo that he was his brother hit harder. You trade the impact of Denethor with the impact of Faramir. Come on, anon, think! You theatricalfags are so hung up on what you """""lose""""" with the EE's that you can't understand what you gain.
>>218603853>You can't just leave the most powerful man that shows up in the first two movies up to imaginationIf it were up to faggots like you we would've gotten Aragorn fighting Sauron in the end.>>218603964>who cares about how a highly emotional scene lands with the viewer.EE fans aren't people.
>>218603853for years Peter Jackson said the full scene itself was awkward and threw off the pacing of stuff immediately after which always felt like bullshitChristopher Lee accidentally spilled the beans at a convention, talking about him confronting Jackson when he found out his death was cut from the movie, and Jackson basically told him that they put the scene in extended to give it more of a selling point
>>218561775I prefer extended for all, but extended for Fellowship is a must
>>218604101>for years Peter Jackson said the full scene itself was awkward and threw off the pacing of stuff immediately afterHe's correct on both points. The scene is straight out of a theatre performance instead of a blockbuster movie.>Saruman rudely shoves Grima to the ground, and Thedoen says he still loves Grima, and then Grima stabs Saruman in the back because he had a change of heart or somethingFuck off with that corny Hamlet shit
>>218604101The problem in that scene isn't pacing, it's the tonedeaf undignified slapstick manner of Sarumon's death. Just an insult to the source material.Imagine if he had an extended scene of Aragorn falling off the cliff in Two Towers and bouncing off every rock on the way down like he were Homer Simpson.Just rubbish.
>>218604257>yowie zowie, right in the palantirs!>cue laughter
>>218604058Good to know theatricalgroids are so retarded they can't even comprehend 1 short paragraph before replying. Of course they whine about the pacing so much, they expect to be spoon-fed everything at a consistent pace otherwise they get uncomfortable with having to be patient and think.
>>218604257The only way the Saruman death scene could've been worse is if they had a steamroller run over his body like in the Naked Gun.
Hackson needs to release everything. Sauron forging the ring, elves going to war against Sauron, the death of Gil-Galad, flashbacks about the beginning of Arwen's and Aragorn's relationship, all the missing Rivendell, Moria and Lothlorien footage. GIBSMEDAT
>>218602724I do not since youtube is fucking garbage for finding anything.
>>218561775The books.
>>218561775The fanmade cut that boils this 3 boring ass movies into a digestable one three hour movie
>>218561775Theatrical for all three. Pacing is critical and the extended cuts are substantially worse than the theatrical. >but (scene) is cool!Doesn’t matter.
>>218604346>Of course they whine about the pacing so much>they expect to be spoon-fed everythingYou're so retarded you don't even realize these two statements contradict each other.
>>218605649Are you a bot? Do you even know what you're quoting? Are you drunk? What's going on here>Statement A>Supporting Statement AThis is elementary English.
>>218561931fippybibby
>>218604809Did you get permission to post that image?
>>218561931The charge of the Rohirrim is better in the extended. Otherwise i would recommend theatrical for first time watchers.
The first thing I ask someone when they give me their opinions on movies is if they prefer the extended editions, if they do I know that every one of their opinions can be ignored.There's a reason why people say that good editing is killing your children.
>>218606421
Tolkien was such a hack. Read Peake, Barker and Simmons instead.
>>218596523Interesting.It would be funny if Viggo bought the horse and just kept it for himself, and made her watch him ride it
>>218561775theatrical. the extended cuts are just too long.
>>218561775Theatrical are the definitive versions of the films but the extended editions are still very fun and worth watching
>>218606763God I love seeing a good ol fashioned photoshop instead of botshit
>>218606257How does preferring the theatrical versions, which have LESS content, means i like being spoonfed? You EEtards are the ones who need every single detail explained, all the way from "how did Isildur die?" 5 minutes into the movies
>visual masterpiece
>>218606517Wrong. Eowyn's scream echoing in the theatrical version once it changes to Pippin finding Gandalf beats the stupid long uncut charge version in the EE with no echo. There's a very awkward edit where the old theatrical Eowyn scream -> Pippin transition should be that you can't unnotice once you notice it in the EE. It's like some intern did the editing and they obviously deleted something between the shots of Eowyn screaming and the shot of the other Rohan horse riders charging and forgot to make the sound transition smoothly between the 2 shots. Let's not even get into the whole "last second savior" shit in the stupid Witch King filler scene
>>218565649This is the best and most provably anti-reddit answer
>>218604809He would've said this even if it were the most autistically faithful adaptation ever made, and I dare you to prove me wrong.
>>218561931fpbp
>>218561931first post is the best post
>>218561775Fellowship is far better extended.
>>218607709concerning hobbits and the scene where they see the elves leaving middle earth are high kino
