>Dry vodka martiniThat's literally just cold, slightly watered down vodka...
>>218576414never understood why anyone want to sip on vodka
>>218576414Never liked him as Bond.He got the looks but nothing else.
>>218576414Isn't it supposed to have a little vermouth in it? I think it's better with gin and a couple extra olives to be honest
the martini is the most all over the place drink there is because there is no standard definition and every person/bar makes them differently. one bar might consider a dry martini a 4:1 ratio of gin or vodka to vermouth, another might just coat the ice with a splash of vermouth, and another might do a 6:1 ratio. but generally speaking unless you're specifying it to be extremely dry there will be at least some vermouth in there no matter how little
>>218576414Product placement. Real james bond drinks gin.
>>218576414A martini is gin and vermouth / wine idiot
>>218577253He specifically asks for vodka martini, moron
does shaken vs stirred actually make a difference, or that just some trick to make female bartenders shake their boobs a bit
He's a spy, he doesn't want to get drunk during a job, you fucking retards.
>>218578072It does make a difference. Shaking , it puts more air into the drink and can slightly change the flavor.
The truth is Craig is greathis movies just suckliterally nobody wants to admit this for some reason but it's fucking true
>>218576414A vodka martini is not a martini at all, but a Kangaroo. The vermouth needs the botanicals of the ginFurthermore, shaking “bruises” or oxidizes the gin. Not idealBond’s real drink is the Vesper, which will fuck you up (gin / vodka / wine)
>>218577128Best dry martini is an “in and out”, whereby you pour the vermouth into the glass and then pour it out, leaving just a coating
>>218577128Anything with a greater than 3:1 ratio of spirit to dry vermouth is a dry martini. But you are right that there is no real standard, nor is there for any really spirit forward drink. They're almost always made to taste.>>218578072Shaking adds air and increases the amount of ice melt in the drink. For drinks with acid in them, such as margaritas, this improves the drink. For spirit forward drinks such as martinis or an old fashioned, this dilutes the drink and masks the flavor of the spirit.
>>218577190Product placement for what? He never says a brand name.
>>218578790just the tip
he should have listened to Felix and ordered a sazerac
>>218576414White wine shandy. Heavy on the lemonade.
>>218576414And a regular martini is cold slightly watered down gin.
>>218576414>vodka, put it in a water bottleI think Bond might just be an alcoholic
>>218576414How do you drink powder?
>>218577365Then it isn't a martini you fucking moron
>>218576414>literallyYou're a fucking moron. It also has vermouth and olives. Maybe a twist of citrus. Learn definitions, faggot.
>>218576696That's because you've never had a properly made martini. It's not just vodka. You can see how frosty cold Bond's is in that picture.
Ian Fleming didn't know anything, he just had one drink he liked and wrote it into his book as the classy drink.
>>218584112gin is just vodka with botanicals so the whole debate is a fat nothingburger
>>218576709This. But the beginning of GoldenEye WAS an all-timer. The rest of his run never lived up to that first one, but it was worth it when he did not one, but two cool freefall gags within ten minutes and then that Tina Turner song kicks in and we have Bond back for the 90s. It was a real scene. My friends and I all went to see it and then we all got addicted to the N64 game.Then many of us became real vodka drinkers too.
>>218584234cool goal post bro mind if I save it?
>>218584234>gin is just vodkaGin is utter trash fixed with botanicals, at least you can down decent vodka without thinking what the fuck did you just drink
>>218584265You can't argue that vodka martinis aren't martinis. Sorry, it's simply wrong. You can prefer gin all you like. You can quote some obscure source putting one above the other. But as a bartender, people had to specify that they wanted a Gin Martini from me or they were getting well vodka. Everyone knows that's how it works.
>>218584311Then you work at a fucking $2 beer shit hole in a flyover town. Not my problem.
>>218584265that is literally what gin is, vodka with botanicals addedyou can be mad that due to the popularity of vodka it's now the default liquor if you're dumb enough to order a martini while out and about, but fundamentally the drink is just the traditional martini sans botanicals
>>218584458>all alcohol is just vodka cause its all got alcoholyoure a fucking retarded redditor. vodka is water and ethanol. if you take the other shit out then all alcoholic drinks are "just vodka" you absolute fuckwit cunt.
>>218576709filtered
>>218584409Watch out, this dude sleeps with men in $5 beer joints!
>>218576414it has vermuth and an olive in it
>>218584549>all alcohol is vodkakinda funny the guy whining about goalposts immediately makes such a retarded statementgin is quite literally just grain based "neutral spirits" with botanicals added, vodka is just said "neutral spirits". I'm sorry that makes you seethe because you're assmad vodka is now the default spirit but that's the way it works
For me, it's Grand Marnier.
>>218584773gin isnt made from grain, it is made from juniper berries retard
>>218584867>Gin is a distilled spirit made from a neutral base alcohol (usually grain-based) that is re-distilled or infused with juniper berries and other botanicals like herbs, spices, and citrus peels
I've heard it said the meaning of the vodka martini is that Bond is a rough bastard who only really plays at the high society thing, and pretty much everyone interprets it wrong.Couldn't tell you though. I know nothing about drinks.
>>218577128>>218578790I worked as a bartender at a remote fishing lodge for a couple months one summer. The kind of clientele that leave a $20 tip for every drink.It was always some 50+ woman that asked to "burn" the martini glass by swirling a single drop of top shelf whiskey around it before pouring the drink.I have no idea if that actually does anything to the quality of the martini.
>>218584242>we all got addicted to the N64 game.>Then many of us became real vodka drinkers too.Too real.A little while back I dug my old N64 out of storage and the framerate for Goldeneye was so low experiencing it 30 years later. I was astonished that I could beat Facility back then on 00 in under 2:05 to unlock the invincibility cheat.
>>218576414>dry to describe a liquidStupidIf it was dry it'd be powdered
>>218578820>he doesn't drink Vodka® Brand℠ Vodka™Everybody point at this poorfag and laugh.
>>218585244Liquid isn't wet, wet is a property liquid bestows on other things
>>218584409No, I work in a trendy bar on the coast. The martinis are $9, which is cheap for that here. Anywhere you go if you just order 'martini' and you don't say anything else and you don't wait for the bartender to followup, you're getting vodka. That's how it is the world over. Well, the nation over at least. I don't know how it works outside the USA, but I've poured and drank all over the country.
>>218584549>gotta promote reddit at every opportunity
>>218585401Please, not this "argument" again.
>>218585244Dry means not sweet. Sec means sweet. Demi-sec is semi-sweet. I took some booze courses.
>>218585401
>It's a common misapprehension that the word 'gin' comes from the city Geneva. Actually the word 'geneva' -- small 'g' -- is a corruption of genevre, which is of course French for juniper, a wonderful berry that flavored this miraculous libation.
>>218578383For me it's the opposite. I see Craig as a subpar bond, but I like his films for the cinematography and everything besides Craig. There are good Bond girls in those films, too.
>>218585401This is kind of true. Liquid could mean like liquid fat. Oil is liquid but it isn't wet. It's considered a "dry heat cooking method". Oil doesn't boil like water does. Water is wet, oil is slick. Both are liquids. This isn't a black or white type thing. Nuanced.
>>218584112But a vodka martini is an actual thing. It is universally accepted, every single bartender will know what you mean. It's in every cocktail book, etc. We're pretty much getting philosophical now, based on your gatekeeping.
james bond
>>218585722>in bright sun, GAK changes to color ON CAPSO DOES IT CHANGE COLOR OR NOT?
>>218588612The cap's color is purple, so yes, it changes to that. But it looks like the Gak has permanently become that color, so perhaps no change does take place anymore. Those came out in the mid 90s. Never meant to be around anywhere near this long.
>>218585535>The martinis are $9, which is cheap for that here.You can literally buy a bottle of gin, vodka, and vermouth for that price and make em yourself. Why do people go to trendy bars if the prices are this outrageous?
>>218578072No variant of alcohol or fucking around with ice and garnishes makes any difference. It's the same shit. It's like pretending heroin is different because some guy drew fancy art on the needle.
>>218589205Nigga, that argument can be used for almost anything.>why do people go to movie theaters to watch movies?>why do people go to gyms to work out?>why do people go to Starcucks for covfefe?>why do people go to McDick's for hamburgers?>why do people go to bakeries for cakes?etc.
>>218576414>Start eating!
>>218589334And my point still stands. All those things you listed are completely unnecessary.
>>218589334>paying nine dollars to have some clown mix fluids
>>218576414>>218576696There's no reason to use vodka over gin unless you really hate juniper.>>218577128The definition of dry has changed over time. A martini used to be almost equal parts, now it's hardly a splash of vermouth.>>218576709He's one of the worst actors i've ever seen.>>218578072Shaking is worse, it breaks shards off the ice which dilutes your drink more. It also arguably bruises the juniper in your gin.
>>218580981Turns out I was as suave as I thought I was all along.
>>218589407Enough people disagree and always will to keep bars and restaurants in business. You must find our human ways so illogical. And yet they persist even without your participation.
>>218590456>There's no reason to use vodka over gin unless you really hate juniper.No, I really hate hangovers. And gin gives me far worse ones than vodka every time. >bruisesWhat a pretentious word for anything to do with drinks. I've seen it way too many times ITT.
>>218576902Yes. Only faggots and women do vodka instead of gin btw.
>>218578072Shaking bruises the gin. It dilutes too much.
why was it normal for a time for men to enjoy such a gay drink
>>218585166guessing you werent using a crt
>>218589407>And my point still stands. All those things you listed are completely unnecessary.You're missing my point. We're agreeing, while you're somehow disagreeing. The point is: people will spend money on convenience and social interaction. Whether or not you personally go to bars and/or go to McDonald's, other people do.
>>218591680i drink way gayer drinks at night clubs and i don't even suck cocks
>>218584156>You can see how frosty cold Bond's is in that picture.Probably because he's in a fucking place made of literal ice.
>>218578072
>>218578072the old wives' tale about james bond was that he wanted the drink diluted so he could be drinking without getting as smashed as he may have otherwise
>>218578820He's been shown to drink Smirnoff for like 50 years.Smart brands know its much better to show the product instead of saying the name, which everyone notices and thinks it's lame and out of place.
>>218584112That's why it's called vodka martini and not martini, you absolute cretin.
>>218584234And whiskey is just vodka that is brown and tastes like wood. What a fucking retarded opinion.
>>218592710he literally drinks Ketel One in the Craig films
>>218589407>why have sex with women when you can just meet a guy on grindr for a fraction of the effortthis is what you sound like
>>218590456>bruises the juniper in your gincalm down weirdo
>>218594291no more "it bruises it" nonsense no such thing
>>218578072Makes zero difference. I can guarantee you that if you can't see the drink there may be one person on earth who can taste shaken vs stirred. Same with wine faggots, 5$ bottle vs 40$? Most can taste the difference. 30$ vs 300$? Lol. They do the blind tests so the time. No difference.
>>218595204>Same with wine faggots,Kek. They did a test where they dyed white wine red and the experts described it a having all the tastes of red wine. They've had the most poncy French expects mistake California wines for the fanciest French vintage in blind tests. Everything about alcohol tasting a certain way is pure bullshit.
>>218596331>Everything about alcohol tasting a certain way is pure bullshit.Different whiskeys definitely have different tastes.
>>218578072Martinis are supposed to be smooth and bubbleless, so don't shake it
>>218589334>why do people go to movie theaters to watch movies?Because they're available in theaters first and some people like the atmosphere >why do people go to gyms to work out?Because it cost a lot more to buy all the necessary equipment you might need for your workout, and that's also assuming you even have a place in your home to dedicate as a workout room>why do people go to Starcucks for covfefe?People are addicted to sugar and slop. Most the drinks at starbucks aren't even coffee. Espresso machines also used to be a lot more money and space to have in your home>why do people go to McDick's for hamburgers?Making a hamburger is a lot more effort than pouring a few drinks together with ice and shaking it>why do people go to bakeries for cakes?Again, baking a cake/pastries takes a lot more time and effort The argument you can make for wasting money at a bar is trying new cocktails/drinks and the atmosphere it provides. If you have a go-to drink, it is way cheaper and more practical to buy the liquids yourself and make it. It is not difficult to make cocktails if you have a recipe. Bars are way over priced though, especially for beers and wine. At least beers on draft is something you can't easily have in your home.
>>218596331>They did a test where they dyed white wine red and the experts described it a having all the tastes of red wine.Most all white wine is chilled though, and you can definitely taste a difference between white and red when it's room temperature. I don't believe this one. Everything else isn't surprising though.
>>218597868>all of those answers to the rhetorical questionsYou're making my point for me. All of the answers, including going to bars, is convenience and social interaction. You can do all of that at home for cheaper, but people still choose to spend the money. Hence the businesses still thriving. Asking "why go to X, when you can do it at home" is a stupid question, because the answer is the same regardless of X.
>>218598179>but people still choose to spend the moneyfunny because bars are going bankrupt nowadays
>>218598179>You're making my point for me.Or you have 0 reading comprehension. It's harder to justify wasting money at a bar than the other things you listed. Making cocktails is easy. At least the other things are easier to justify because those things all require way more money and effort to do at home...except movies. Also this >>218598219
>>218598402>It's harder to justify wasting money at a bar than the other things you listed.No it's not.>moviestorrent>work outIt costs like $2k for a top-of-the-line home gym system which do everything that you'll see in any gym. You'll save money after a few years.>starbucksAre you fucking serious? Coffee? That's expensive/hard?>hamburgersYou buy ground beef and brown it on the stove top. Takes like 5 minutes and WAY cheaper than McDick's. You are either retarded or naive.
>>218596479Can you taste the peat in the soil of the specific region of whatever is on the label? No you fucking can't.
>>218598577>moviesLearn to read a post>It costs like $2k for a top-of-the-line home gym system which do everything that you'll see in any gym. You'll save money after a few yearsDo you think the average gym goer dedicates years there? Do you believe everyone has an empty room available to host this equipment? Not making a good argument >Are you fucking serious? Coffee? That's expensive/hard?Again, learn to read a post. >You buy ground beef and brown it on the stove top. Takes like 5 minutes and WAY cheaper than McDick's. You are either retarded or naive.You still need to buy buns and all the other condiments. Are you going to make 6-12 burgers to use all the buns? Do you think preparing all the condiments and doing all the dishes after you're done cooking takes "5 min"? Do you believe Fries takes 5 min to prepare and cook? It is way more convenient to buy a burger at any restaurant than cooking it yourself.You're retarded and can't read.
>>218577365Vodka Martini still has vermuth in it. it just replaces gin with vodka.
>>218598772I still don't get it. You're making my points for me, yet disagreeing somehow.The things we're talking about are way cheaper to do at home. People pay the money to go out and have somebody else do it for them. That's the answer to all of the questions, including bars. It's retarded to ask "why go out to X when you can do it home for cheaper?" when the the answer is always the same. Convenience and social interaction. People do it, and businesses thrive because of it. This includes hamburgers and coffee, and also bars.
>>218598719Fair enough. Do wine snobs really say that shit?
>>218599007>The things we're talking about are way cheaper to do at home.You're retarded and can't read
Vodka is completely useless for anything but getting drunk in the morning
>>218599073Okay. Well thanks for the discussion, even though we agreed with, and helped make all of my points for me, while somehow disagreeing with me I guess.
>>218599007>businesses thrive because of-ackhttps://share.google/aimode/cdLcS04W4opKmVEmsLol
>>218599141You agree bars are a waste of money and harder to justify than everything else you listed, except movies? Weird, because you kept arguing otherwise.
>>218599132Pretty useful in Long Island Ice Teas
>>218590456>There's no reason to use vodka over gin unless you really hate juniper.gin is probably the single most varied spirit because it just has to be 51% juniper at minimum, and the rest can be whatever. a lot of whisky or vodka is pretty samey but gin varies wildly.>bruises the juniper in your ginwhat fucking gin has whole juniper berries to bruise? what martini is shaking with solids in it? you're right that shaking breaks the ice and dilutes the drink, but it also aerates it. both of which CAN make it taste better, or appeal to an individual's taste, but "better" is extremely subjective. regardless of that, what the actual FUCK do you mean by "bruises the juniper"?
>>218592466easily the best bond girl before the 90s.
>>218599232>You agree bars are a waste of money and harder to justify than everything else you listedNo. Bars are just as justifiable as burgers and coffee. They're all wastes of money if you're looking at just money. Doesn't factor in the time. People pay for convenience and time, which all of those examples save the customer. That's why people pay to go to all of them instead of do it at home.
>>218576696I genuinely enjoy the taste and burn. I have a fucked up sense of taste so it takes something really strong to even notice.
>>218590653lol
>>218599449>Bars are just as justifiable as burgers and coffee.No they aren't. It takes 0 skill and very little time to make a drink. Burgers and any type of espresso drink actually requires a great deal of time or equipment you won't have readily available at home. There's a reason bars are going out of business quicker than anything else.
>>218598772>You still need to buy bunslmao no the fuck i dont. i just use my regular bread that i already have for sandwiches. literally no difference.>and all the other condimentsagain, no i dont. i already have ketchup on hand (or a variety of other sauces), and actual cheese. i dont need bullshit lettuce. i dont need pickles (although i do occasionally make them, and i might have them on hand). i dont need onions or any other bullshit. and FUCK tomatoes entirely. a nice, fat, juicy burger stands on its own merits. >5 minutesthat guy is exaggerating, its really more like 10-15.>friesnot necessary, but yes they are done in 10-15 minutes in the air fryer.
>>218576414Why say "Vodka Martini," why not just "Martini"? You wouldn't walk up to a bar and say "Whiskey Jameson's" or "Beer Heineken".
>>218599817>they are done in 10-15 minutes in the air fryerI haven't tried this yet. I assume you just coat them with some oil and salt?
>>218599817>his "burger" is just 2 pieces of sliced bread with meat and ketchupOh so a scuffed hamburger you can get for 99 cents at mcd?
Ack.
>>218599914Best ADA
>>218599891yes, just put some oil in a little spray bottle.
>>218599722>Burgers and any type of espresso drink actually requires a great deal of time or equipment you won't have readily available at home.>5 minutes is a lot of time>a skillet and a coffee maker are super advanced equipment every household doesn't already haveWe also aren't factoring in the experience. One reason to go to a burger joint over just making a burger at home is the experience. Inviting someone to your house is more intimate than telling them to meet you at the restaurant. It's a neutral meeting place. Same with bars. You go there to meet people as well.The point is, we're agreeing but you somehow keep disagreeing. If you're looking to save money, you can do all of this at home. There are other factors as to why people go to starcucks, mcdick's, the local diner, and even bars. It's all the same.
>>218599893>99 centsMore like $3-5 but point still stands
>>218599893mcd is not selling you quality beef or a patty of that size for 99 cents, let alone with good seasoning or sauce. hell, i dont even think their value menu shit is even $1 anymore, i think it went up.
>>218600008>a coffee makerIsn't making espresso drinks and that also doesn't factor in steaming the milk. Dumbass.
>>218592793I'm not gonna watch those shitty movies to check, but I doubt it's true given the fact that Smirnoff has been releasing 007 branded bottles for the last 30 years.
>>218600062>can't buy a $200 espresso machine that does it all for youYou'll save money in like a week. Anything else?
>>218585048homeopathic drink mixing
>>218600009>>218600058grim havent been there since they had shit for less than a dollar but still what anon described is a sad burger
>>218600008>we're agreeingNo we're not. Bars are going out of business because people realize it's not worth the money. People are still going to burger joints and coffee shops. Sorry that's difficult for you to comprehend. It is much more difficult to justify going to a bar when it's piss easy to make drinks at home.
>>218600143>It is much more difficult to justify going to a burger joint or coffee place when it's piss easy to make hamburgers and coffee at home
>>218580981
>>218600118Espresso machine is extra equipment for people that don't want to commit to something they can get down the street. You can buy any liquor and probably have everything else you need at home to make drinks. You aren't make a good argument.
>>218600181Are you a bartender? Is this why you're so defensive? Be honest.
>>218599846Martini is vermouth, dipshit. You would absolutely ask for a vodka martini if you wanted any fucking vodka in it.
>>218584156Sipping on vodka is for faggots.In the novels Bond downs vodka martinis because he is depressed and wants to die.
>>218600181Nah
>>218600232>Measuring shotglasses are extra equipment for people that don't want to commit to something they can get down the street. You can buy any hamburger and probably have everything else you need at home to make hamburgers.>>218600263I'm not defending bars or bartending. Haven't been to a bar in years. I personally hate the atmosphere and mostly people in general. I'm answering the question of why people go to bars, and explaining why the answer is the same as to why people go to restaurants and coffee shops, among other service industries. It's a retarded question with an obvious answer that applies to all of them.
>>218600130you think its sad because you have no concept of how to cook and flavor the burger itself. you think the merits lie in the construction extra stuff. the reality is that mcdonalds is using the extra stuff to cover up the fact that their burgers are bottom tier trash. you can go to red robin for a $20 burger, and they have a vast menu that changes the ingredients around. however, the real star of each and every one of them is the beef, and/or whatever sauce they put on it. the rest is just filler. you could take the same spicy sauce from the scorpion burger, put it over the ingredients of 10 other burger recipes, and it would basically taste the same. you dipshits arent beating the "wyte peepo don seezun dey food" allegations. personally, i like to add most of my seasoning and a little bit of worcestershire sauce to the bundle of ground beef and mix it in before i make the patties, and then add a little more to the outside when it cooks. and again, you add whatever sauce you want. no need for that filler nonsense. and im not hating on vegetables or anything. i eat burgers out all the time, and the only thing i say no to is tomatoes. im just saying that you can make a really quality burger that is also filling and satisfying for way cheaper than fast food GARBAGE.
>>218600406>Measuring shotglasses are extraAre you seriously comparing a $1 glass to $100+ machine? Not to mention you can just use tablespoons to measure out shots if you really want to be autistic about making cocktails. >why the answer is the same as to why people go to restaurants and coffee shopsSo why aren't restaurants and coffee shops going out of business like bars are?
>>218600290Well I didn't know that, dipshit. Did you think of that before replying, huh?!
>>218599846>>218600290as a server at outback steakhouse, if a customer says "i would like a martini" our next question is automatically "do you have a preference on the type of vodka?" so we know what brand to ring it under. its automatically vodka unless said otherwise. its automatically got vermouth in it, or else it isnt a martini.
>>218600563>Are you seriously comparing a $1 glass to $100+ machine?Yes. After like a week, the espresso machine pays for itself. Also: you aren't factoring in the fact that you can't make my favorite cocktail right now. You'd need to go to the store. Bars have whatever you want. And whatever your friend wants.And again, you're not factoring in the atmosphere and experience. People go there to meet people and take in the atmosphere. This applies to bars, restaurants, and coffee shops.>So why aren't restaurants and coffee shops going out of business like bars are?They are. Restaurants close all the time. Remember all the closures during the meme coof? Even outside of that, restaurants struggle. Yet others thrive. Same with bars and coffee shops. It's all the same. That's the service industry for you.
>>218600634The internet says otherwise
>>218599934Jill Hennessy is a very close second but you speak the truth
>>218600692>People go there to meet people and take in the atmosphere.No they don't. That's why they're going out of business lolYou have no convincing arguments. You can't compare going to a coffee shop and burger joint as the same thing as going to a bar. You lost.
>>218600692>They are. Restaurants close all the time. Remember all the closures during the meme coof? Even outside of that, restaurants struggle. Yet others thrive. Same with bars and coffee shops. It's all the same. That's the service industry for you.very much this. they have to struggle find ways to make it worthwhile for people to come out. big corpos have an advantage of general popularity and reputation that mostly coast off of, but that also shackles them because they dont let individual stores do their own things much. local places can do whatever they want and mix it up at any time.
>>218592466cute boy
>>218600745the internet is not your outback steakhouse server. i am telling you that on the posi (the digital screen to ring things in), if i press the "martini" button, it then prompts me with the list of vodkas we carry, as some are more expensive than others. if they wanted a gin martini, i would (ask them which gin and then) select the specific gin, and special instruct "tini".
>>218600692>After like a week, the espresso machine pays for itself.You're comparing someone committing to a lifestyle vs something they can try out. You can go buy some vodka and let it sit on your counter for months, and experiment with different cocktails and not need to waste money on extra equipment. You can go buy a case of beer and let it sit in your fridge for months. Comparing making cocktails to making burgers and coffee is retarded. The only way you might make it comparable is if you get into extra ingredients that require muddling or sweet and sour mixes ect. But saying it's easier to make a burger at home just like making a drink is not true at all, and you know it. You're just failing at making it comparable.
>>218600191Kek waiting until he’s actually on the bus is based
>>218600833>>People go there to meet people and take in the atmosphere.>No they don't. That's why they're going out of business lolhow delusional and antisocial do you have to be to deny the basic functions and traditions of what a bar is? like, you're right that people are beginning to value it less and less compared to the old days, but that is still precisely why people go there.
>>218601057Well outback is wrong.
>>218600634>I would like a Martini>"The cocktail or the vermouth?"
>>218601144>how delusional and antisocial do you have to be to deny the basic functions and traditions of what a bar is?How out of touch are you gramps?
>>218601151in 9 years i have never had a single customer complain or "correct" me about it.
>>218601178literally nobody who orders a martini is asking for JUST vermouth.
>>218601194That's because you work at corporate slop. Your customers aren't going to be pretentious about ordering a drink from a kiosk menu.
>>218600833>You can't compare going to a coffee shop and burger joint as the same thing as going to a bar.I just did. Why do people go to coffee shops and sit there on their shitty apple computers? Same with going to bars. Same with going to restaurants. The atmosphere.>>218601059Dude, making a hamburger at home is one of the easiest things you can make. You just brown the meat. Takes like 5 minutes.
>>218601186inform me on why people go to bars then.
>>218601272What if... I do?
>>218601310You don't. You buy your own bottle.
>>218601303>The atmosphere.A majority of people going for coffee and burgers aren't going to those places for "the atmosphere". >Dude, making a hamburger at home is one of the easiest things you can make. You just brown the meat. Takes like 5 minutes.This has already been addressed and you're wrong.Do you have an actual argument or are you just looking for replies?
>>218585401https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDdRrMVEnA
>>218601304>why people go to bars thenThey don't. Are you not paying attention?
>>218601276>Your customers aren't going to be pretentious about ordering a drink from a kiosk menu.lmao some of them absolutely are. actually, i used to have this couple that were like 93 years old (and i havent seen them in probably a year, so one or both of them probably died) war veterens, and they had a VERY specific order. they wanted a dewars, up, with dry vermouth, and a twist (which is a twist of lemon peel for those who may not know). specifically NOT "rob roy" cocktail, because a rob roy uses sweet vermouth. IF you say "oh, so a scotch martini" (which some servers have done) they would sternly correct you and say "no, because a martini is vodka". i still have their dine rewards number written down somewhere. i wonder if i should give them a call to check in.
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>>218585401the molecules touch each other, therefor the liquid itself is wet.
>>218576414Who gives a shitWhat I want to know is, do the tax payers have to pay for the incredibly expensive bottles of vintage Dom Pérignon he's drinking? How does that aid him in his missions
>>218576414IS THIS THE THREAD???
>>218585631>Sec means sweetSec is literally the French word for "dry" you absolute dunce
>>218578820You can clearly see that Finlandia Vodka is the only drink available.
>>218601630Your concession is accepted
>>218599846>>218600290>>218600692Martini = gin + vermouthVodka martini = vodka + vermouth"Martini" is also the name of a brand that makes several types of vermouth, but if someone wanted that they would specify the exact product, such as "a Martini Rosso" or "a Martini extra dry".
>>218601913very cute to see that your trolling has run out of steam and that you dont have an answer. the real concession was yours when you refused to answer the question, and only offered a snide joke.
>>218596331The "experts" were first year students and some did that and some didn't.
>>218602075What are you going on about? Nobody goes to bars anymore, gramps. Your question was answered and your concession was accepted.
>>218602148Then they wouldn't exist anymore, retard, people aren't out there running bars as a hobby
>>218600634Probably why you're a server at an outback steakhouse, you fucking retard lmao.
>>218595204>I can guarantee you that if you can't see the drink there may be one person on earth who can taste shaken vs stirred.You're an absolute fucking moron. There's a drastic difference in dilution. Of course it also matters how long and how you shake/stir. What kind of ice you're using. You're just being a disingenuous faggot. and you should take your own life
>>218602148the bars are empty without a single person in them in your world? seek help.
>>218601567>they would sternly correct you and say "no, because a martini is vodka"They were fucking retards hth.
>>218602309lmao i probably make more money than your disability checks. im just telling you the factual process of ordering. i didnt come up with it.
I'm getting the impression from this thread that what is known as a martini is regional. some places know it as vodka and some places know it as gin.
>>218602524cookies and biscuitschips and crisps
>>218602524Some regions do it wrong because they're inbred hicks who have only seen martinis in Bond movies.
>>218602524No. People here are just low-class retards who don't know anything about cocktails.
>>218601444>A majority of people going for coffee and burgers aren't going to those places for "the atmosphere". What are they going there for then? Too fucking lazy to use a coffee maker or brown meat and throw it into a hamburger bun? Same with bars and drinks.>This has already been addressed and you're wrong.It doesn't take ~5 minutes to brown hamburger meat? I'm confused. Works on my machine.>Do you have an actual argument or are you just looking for replies?I do, and have made them. I'm waiting for you to catch up on them. It's all the same. People pay for convenience, time, and atmosphere. This goes for all service industries. Including restaurants, coffee shops, and bars.
>>218602439over 90 years oldthey would enjoy a first drink while they talkwhen they finished and ordered a second one, then they would order their food.they never pulled out a phone at the table.they had a happier, more successful life and relationship than you ever will.
>>218576414I would argue at three ounces it's not watered down at all
>>218602193>people aren't out there running bars as a hobbyThey certainly aren't running them for money lmao
>>218602524Wrong. You can easily search it online. Classic martini is with Gin. Anyone saying otherwise is incorrect.
>>218602655downtown college bars are swimming in cash.
>>218602620>What are they going there for then?The product>It doesn't take ~5 minutes to brown hamburger meat? I'm confused. Works on my machine.Okay, now make the rest of the burger with fries. Don't forget to clean everything up when you're done. I'm sure that all takes 5 min. Yep. >I do, and have made them. No. You haven't. >People pay for convenience, time, and atmosphere. This goes for all service industries. Including restaurants, coffee shops, and bars.Nope. "Atmosphere" only applies to bars.
>>218602715>this one exception means all bars are doing wellOk
>>218600856Very.
>>218603032>the last bar in my 2000 person dead flyover town closed down so that means there are no bars anymoreI also highly suspect you've got like, no mates or birds to go to any bars with
>>218602828>The productBurgers and coffee? Like this is some lost science that only a few know how to make? You said yourself you can make it at home. Why go to restaurants, coffee shops, or bars?>Okay, now make the rest of the burger with fries. Don't forget to clean everything up when you're done. I'm sure that all takes 5 min. Yep.So we agree. People pay for time and convenience.>"Atmosphere" only applies to bars.Bullshit. Explain the faggot hipsters on their macbooks sitting at the coffee shops all day. Entire restaurant chains have one selling point: their atmosphere. Not all hinge on it, almost all at least have it to get you in the door. To get a franchise, you have to keep it up to code with their guidelines of how your restaurant looks and feels, or you lose your franchise license. Why come to Dale's Burger Joint over Don's Burger Place? They both serve subpar hamburgers. The answer: not all, but most places at least sell you some sort of unique atmosphere.And again, you're ignoring this: all of these businesses are neutral, public places to go and meet people. Let's say you're having a get-together with coworkers. You'd probably pick a restaurant or some public place, not your home. Let's say a bunch of buddies are getting together. You might meet up at the bar instead of host 20 dudes at home.
>>218578383Nah, he's shit
>>218585535>can i get a printout of oyster smiling?
>>218603096You know we're both on the internet, right? You can easily search how bars are doing and you'll see they are mostly struggling. You're retarded.
>>218603032nobody is claiming that all bars are doing well, but bars as an industry are still very much a thing and people definitely still go to them. you keep avoiding the question though, and instead insist on the ridiculous claim that "nobody is going to bars, and all of them are failing", even though you did literally just concede that that isnt the case. you have no argument.
>>218603399so why are people going to the ones that arent struggling?
>>218578074That’s right. He just wants a buzz. Steadies the hand and loosens the tongue.
>>218603272Do you think every single person that goes to get coffee is on their laptop sitting in the shop all day? That is a minority of their customers. Do you think people are going to McDonald's to sit in their dining room for the "atmosphere"? People only waste money at bars for the atmosphere. That is the only place your argument holds up. Most people going through a drive through are doing it because they want the product, not the "atmosphere".
>>218603399Like I implied, I don't live in dead flyover country. I can walk around town and see that bars still exist, as they have for thousands of years, and will continue to exist for thousands of years in the future. You are autistic.
>>218603503Notice how I keep using the word "restaurant", not fast-food place.And you're really hung up on the atmosphere thing. The other two apply to all as well. Time, convenience, and/or atmosphere. Those cover all of the places we've discussed.Otherwise, why do people go to these places? The product? You can make it all at home. People pay others to do the legwork for them. To save time or hassle, to experience the atmosphere, or to meet people in a neutral place.The initial post I was replying to said 'I'll never understand why people go to bars and waste money there'. To which I replied and brought up restaurants and coffee shops. The answer is the same. So the question was kind of dumb.
>>218601734What are we drukking? For me? A Dutch gin mule.
>>218603467That goalpost is wild. Moves very easily.
>>218603419Nobody goes to bars anymore gramps. Time to find a better industry
>>218603524>bars around me are doing well so that means all bars everywhere areYou're retarded.
>>218604057>>218604081Holy fuck you're embarrassing, just kill yourself already.
>>218603710>To which I replied and brought up restaurants and coffee shops. The answer is the same.No it's not. Most people going to a coffee shop aren't going for the "atmosphere" like you keep bringing up. People going to "restaurants" are there for the food first and foremost. People aren't going to bars for the drinks because you can get drinks anywhere. That is the main difference and you keep trying to equate bars to coffee and food like it's all the same when it's obviously not.
>>218604130>no argument Took you long enough to realize you're retarded. Thanks for trying.
>all these seething uncs upset nobody goes to bars anymoreLol
>>218603710I exclusively order take out from restaurants, so you're wrong.
>>218576414I will never understand why woids are so obsessed with alcohol. It tastes absolutely revolting and its only benefit is making people drunk. Why not just use alcohol autoinjectors or slow-release pills? Like you go to a bar, tell them your weight and ask for the right dosage to make you tipsy or whatever. You get the benefits without all the bullshit.
>>218604130You lost (:
I'm more of a mezcal kind of guy
>>218604144>People going to "restaurants" are there for the food first and foremost.The same food they can make at home. There are reasons people go out. You're missing the entire point.>the "atmosphere" like you keep bringing up.I've brought up the other reasons, yet you are the one refusing to discuss them. You keep bringing up atmosphere, not me.>>218604254Okay, and back to the main point. You can make it at home, just like making drinks at home. It's all the same reason. Time, convenience, and/or atmosphere. Also: a neutral place to meet people.
nu bond should drink thc infused seltzers
>>218604430You have autism
>>218604698No. You're wrong. People go to restaurants for the product. People do not go to bars for the product. I don't know why that upsets you, but that's just how it is.
>>218605044>People go to restaurants for the product.A hamburger than they can make better at home on the grill? I'm pretty sure most go to restaurants for the things I keep outlining: to save time and/or hassle, to enjoy the atmosphere, and/or to meet up with people at a neutral public meeting place. Not to say some restaurants do have a 'magic touch' product where you just gotta go there to get it done just right!. Also: one could argue that people sometimes do go to bars for the product. Might not be the main selling point, but in a way, people do go for the product on occasions.
>>218605227>A hamburger than they can make better at home on the grill?According to who? People go to restaurants for the food. Whether it's a burger or pizza. I really don't know why this is something you keep denying. Food is the main selling point of any restaurant. People aren't going to go to a really nice looking restaurant if the food is dogshit, likewise, people will go to some dingey hole in the wall if the food is great. You can keep trying to claim people go to these places for other superfluous reasons, but it's because of the food, first and foremost. You can't say people are going to bars because of the alcohol because bars are a dime a dozen and anyone can buy a bottle of wine or pack of beer.
>>218576414>Is in only 1 Movie>Has the most recognisable Title in the seriesI just think it's funny.
>>218605044>>218605044Of course they do. How are you meant to try different cocktails to see which you like most without going to bars? No one has that range of alcohol in their house unless they’re ridiculously well off. Same with wine bars; they’re the best way to try new things.
>>218576414I thought Bond drank a Vesper Martini?
>>218605486According to who? People go to bars for the alcohol. Whether it's a martini or Moscow Mule. I really don't know why this is something you keep denying. Alcohol is the main selling point of any bar. People aren't going to go to a really nice looking bar if the drinks are dogshit, likewise, people will go to some dingey hole in the wall if the drinks are great. You can keep trying to claim people go to these places for other superfluous reasons, but it's because of the drinks, first and foremost. You can't say people are going to restaurants because of the hamburgers because restaurants are a dime a dozen and anyone can buy some hamburger or hamburger buns.Do you see where the argument is the same, but you refuse to acknowledge that we're saying the same thing? Which ties back to the original point, which you seem to have forgotten in your slightly relevant, but overall tangential argument.
>>218602341>What kind of ice you're usingwish i could be your bartender. Your gonna get the best ice lil buddy, only for true james bond gentlemen!!!
>>218605658You're now talking about very specific bars where their entire existence is being what you're talking about. Nobody is going to the bar down the street to try out a Manhattan or Gin Fizz.
>>218605790>no uYou can just admit you have no argument anon. It's okay.
>>218576696I understand gin martinis but yeah I don't get vodka oneseven the best vodka still tastes like nothing so best case you're drinking an ultra chilled drink of distilled alcohol flavored with olive brine
>>218605790>Do you see where the argument is the sameIt's not. There's a reason why "bar hopping" is a thing and "restaurant hopping" is not. Have you ever been bar hopping? Do you know what the point of it is? Every single bar is going to have alcohol that tastes the same. People are going there for the environment. People go to restaurants for the food. You can keep denying it but that's how the 2 things are different.
>>218598772okay so you are retarded consumer scum. Yea i dont think YOU are going to the gym every year. And you have made it very obvious that you can't look 2 weeks into the future. The initial buy in for burger shit will save you much more money then getting the equivalent at mcdonalds. You seriously make average people look like total fucking retards when you type this shit. Idiot.
>>218606008>nooooo you can't enjoy going to restaurants you HAVE to cook all your meals and have burgers for the next 2 weeksLmao. You're such a sensitive faggot.
>>218605862I can't tell if you're retarded or not, anon. The "nou" is the argument because the "nou" is actually the one and only case where it actually fits. We're saying the same thing and that anon refuses to accept it for some reason.>>218605985>Every single bar is going to have alcohol that tastes the same.That's where you're wrong, kiddo. There's preparation that goes into making a drink. Just like there's preparation that goes into making a burger.And again, you're having a tangential argument to the main argument which started with the first post way above. The one I replied to first.
>>218606140So you've never been bar hopping. Got it.
>>218606075No, I go out all the time because i like eating out and i dont eat burgers enough to justify buying a ton. But it is much cheaper and you make yourself look retarded when you cant just own up to poor fiscal decisions. All the excuses make you sound like a child that was caught.
>>218606140>We're saying the same thingNo we're not. You seem to think bars and restaurants operate the same way and are dependent on the same factors to be successful.
>>218606234When did I ever say I personally go to McDonald's? When did I say I personally do anything in describing why people go out to these establishments? You're a *retarded sensitive faggot.
>>218606197i agree with you anon, the only thing i get at bars is whatever beer i have not heard of.>>218606140Are you a faggot perchance? I honestly cant imagine a straight man who goes bar hoping just to taste of the yummy cocktails. When i go bar hopping its because im drunk and i want to walk a little between drinks. Not to try the marzpan olive twist
>>218606197I have been bar hopping. Anyway, care to address the point, or have you lost all sense of what the original topic of discussion was on your way down this tangential argument?>>218606261>You seem to think bars and restaurants operate the same way and are dependent on the same factors to be successful.They do. People pay money and go out instead of doing things at home to save time, for convenience, for atmosphere, and/or a neutral place to meet people.
>>218576414>>218578790>Best dry martini is an “in and out”, whereby you pour the vermouth into the glass and then pour it out, leaving just a coatingapparently I'm not enough of an alcoholic to drink martinis, which makes me feel a lot better about myself>>218590456shaking a martini is an antiquated thing back when vodka made from potatoes was common and shaking was needed due to the liquid separating and needing to be broken back togethersame reason a margarita made cocktail style with agave nectar as the sweetener needs to be shaken, to properly combine the agave with the rest of the drink
Vodka & water was my go-to party drink in college. Girls would try to be cool and try one and inevitably regret it.Sorry ladies I warned u
>>218606369>tangential argument?You're a broken record. I don't know why you keep repeating this.>>218606369>People pay money and go out instead of doing things at home to save time, for convenience, for atmosphere, and/or a neutral place to meet people.People go to restaurants for food. People go to bars for the environment. Those are 2 different things. Food makes the restaurant successful. The environment makes the bar successful. That is my argument and you keep trying to move goal posts by listing the things restaurants and bars share in common and act like it's those similarities that makes them equally successful.
>>218606440>shaking a martini is an antiquated thing back when vodka made from potatoes was commonWhy would that matter when martinis were traditionally made with Gin?
>>218605809No but they are going for the draught beer you can’t get at home. I get the impression you don’t go to bars much.
>>218606568>I don't know why you keep repeating this.Because everything you've been arguing is a tangential argument to the main point being argued. I keep repeating this because you seem to be struggling with grasping this.>you keep trying to move goal posts by listing the things restaurants and bars share in common and act like it's those similarities that makes them equally successful.No, the goalposts were always where they were placed. I said that people pay extra money to go out and paying people instead of preparing or doing things at home for the following reason(s): to save time, for convenience, or for atmosphere. Also: a neutral place to meet people. That has always been the argument. You're the one moving the goalposts by eliminating and attempting to strip down my argument by only acknowledging one of the many facets to my point. You refuse to acknowledge my argument by focusing on one single thing that's been mentioned in support of my statements.
>>218606630because Bond drinks vodka martinis, and him wanting them shaken is an anachronism that should have been written out of the character back when he stopped smoking cigarettes in the 90ssame with him carrying an unreliable pansy pre-wonder 9 pistol in the Walther PPK
>>218584242life will never be as good as that again.
>>218577128Wrong sorta, I was a bartender at an elite club and my boss at the time said when they ask for a martini never ever put vermouth unless they ask. It’s straight booze unless told otherwise
>>218606568> People go to bars for the environmentWhat exactly is your sample size for this statement? Bars serve things you can’t get anywhere else easily. Some people just love alcohol.
>>218607129That’s strange given the American cocktail bible states otherwise. His club; his rules though
>>218607129>It’s straight booze unless told otherwiseYep
>>218604025>>218604057
>>218606823You're wrong
>>218607132>Bars serve things you can’t get anywhere else easilyOld fashions and whiskey sours are probably the most ordered cocktails, and those are very much accessible everywhere.
>>218578072It makes a difference. I always give my Bang Energy a couple extra shakes as I like the bubble taste.
>>218607132Beer is the most ordered drink at a bar and that's found at your nearest 7-11. You people are idiots
>>218607132based retard.
