Was it really a documentary about the making of Coven? It feels like the main stars are acting too natural, or at least the set ups caught on camera were forced/requested by the production crew.
Also what is it about this phenotype that turns people into grifters after they find initial undeserved success due to pure luck?
>>218609604 It is a documentary, just not the pure fly-on-the-wall kino vérité people imagine. Chris Smith followed Mark around for years while he was trying to finish Coven, and reality just kept handing him gold. But any doc is shaped in the edit. If you point a camera at a guy like Borchardt long enough he’s going to perform a little, especially once he realizes this is his shot at immortality.Nothing in it was “scripted” in the mockumentary sense, but yeah, sometimes conversations get nudged. “Hey Mark, can you explain why you need $3,000 for sound mixing?” That kind of thing. The crazy part is that even with prompting, you can’t fake that level of Midwestern delusion + genuine passion. Mike especially is 100% real. Nobody could write dialogue that perfectly spaced out.It feels staged because Mark naturally talks like he’s already in a movie about himself. That’s kind of the whole point.
>>218609725WHOAAAAAA BUDDY
>>218609725he had a cameo in a jet li movie, he won
That old guy's "it's okay... it's okay, there's something to live for" line is eternally living rent free in my head.
>>218611330same
>>218611330Mark bashing that guys head into the precut wood lives in mine.
>>218611330Without Bill it's a completely different film. So the premise is, Mark's this loser who will never ever make a feature film. It's like Tenacious D sort of, an act predicated on the star being no one's idea of a star, an underdog. What really sells the sadness of Mark's life is uncle Bill. He's a man who truly is not going to make it, in the sense of making his fortune and reaching some higher plane. There's total inevitability to Bill's age and infirmity. His inner life and faded dreams are the urgency to Mark's obsession, that life is happening right now and it could be over at any time. For all his personal egoism, Mark really loves uncle Bill and what he does is partly for him, to "do something with his life" the inclusion of Bill makes Mark a hero. His poem - is it simple or is there nothing more to say sometimes? "remember the joys we had together, when we met in June, let us be the way we were . . . "
>>218612276My point wasn't clear. Bill represents the lost opportunity of Mark's life/your life slipping away. Mark's desire to make a film or do anything with his life becomes heroic because age and missed opportunities are coming for him. The movie would've been ok with just his burnout buddies, Mike is kind of similar with his drug addled brain, but Bill makes it 10/10
>inherits 50k dolla>never makes another movie, betrayed Bill
>>218614456>neverhis nephew will cook something up in 50 years and give him a writer credit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCRNKeiOrVI
Pure kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfVkoCNqveQ
>>218610127Excellent post, you deserve a (You)
It was a legit documentary. They were all on camera for so long that it just became natural. Movie is fucking great. The scene where Mike and the other guy tell Mark that they put the Coven flyers into all the school newspapers, but then the distributor took those newspapers and replaced them with news one is funny as hellMark: Dude, that doesn't make any sense.Mike: It made sense to him.
>>218611330>That old guy's "it's okay... it's okay, there's something to live for" line is eternally living rent free in my head.This was Mark just being an insane perfectionist. He could have had Bill record it in sections then edit it together, but he wanted it all one take like it's a Scorcese film. He even got it in one take then said something like "that was great Bill, but I heard some birds in the background, lets go again".
All the family members of Mark that they interview seem really nice except his one brother that said he wouldn't be surprised if Mark turned out to be a serial killer.
>>218617302>"no one has ever paid to see an excuse"quotable af
I DUNNO. I MEAN, IF YOU SAW ACTION GOING ON WOULD YOU INSTINCTIVELY KNOW TO CENTER IT IN FRONT OF YOU?
>>218611330Mark saying "dude no" when Mike doesn't know how to distribute flyers is repeated whenever my brain needs the same concept.
>>218614456Bill knew there was never going to be any film. It's impossible to communicate across a gap of experience, he couldn't say it in words, but he knew Mark would learn later. Saying it's for the film is just a way of saying it's for your dreams, your life.
>>218617399yeah that brother seems like a boring jerk
>>218609604i find this movie relatable, does anyone find it relatable?
>>218623252Yes, I am also an alcoholic failure.
WHERE THE HELL IS NORTHWESTERN
>>218624270still in production
>>218624270How can it be called Northwestern when they live more like the northeast??
>>218625665Northwestern is the name of a university
>>218609725is he still on a lamb
>>218623252>>218623443I have never had alcohol in my life (well ok I was given some tiny amounts when I was 9-11, as a kid) and I never had any drugs neither. I still think>"he just like fr"
>>218625693Far as I know he's just hiding in New York at his retarded (literally retarded) girlfriend's place. The police don't seem to care.
has anyone actually watched the short film coven, what were your thoughts?
>>218626119I thought it was okay...it wasn't as dogshit as most low budget movies are.
