Do they hold up?
I watched 4K77 last year, and yeah, the film is still a 5/5 adventure sci-fi.
>>218630326They are the only watchable SW content and they are damn fine adventure movies
uncslop
>>218630326the first two are good. jedi is slop
>>218630326No, not reallyThere are a few well directed scenes, but overall they're pretty mediocre. Even more so if you ignore the "seinfield isn't funny" effect and try to just watch them for what they are.
>>218630326Yes, especially the original logos. Go on you, OP.
*Good on you, OP.
>>218632321>Even more so if you ignore the "seinfield isn't funny" effect and try to just watch them for what they are.What kind of drugs is someone on to bring in Seinfeld for a topic wholly non-Jewish, in a completely alien genre?
>>218630326It's almost weird how much '70s-'80s human charm they have. Like the scene where Luke is aghast at how much they're spending to get a ride from Han Solo, it's so mundane.
I watched them last year (despecialized). The answer to the question "do they hold up?" is a bit of yes and a bit of no. In some ways they have been harmed by the prequels. As I watched the Ewoks cunt around, I realised there is truth to the argument that the Ewoks are close relations of Jar Jar Binks. It's much the same kind of humour.
>>218633247Han was asking for almost as much as it would cost to buy a ship. And it's proven later than Luke was more than capable of doing the job. Han got lucky. Had he not met Luke, he would have died from getting murdered by Jabba's cronies.
>>218633263The de-specialized TESB is a joke. I know he meant well, but it got silly when he messed with the super star destroyer windows to be *perfectly black" complete with re-drawn stars.
>>218630326Yes, of course. I could watch these any time.
>>218633263>>2186333424K80 is the way to go these days.
>>218630326Outside of like 20 minutes RotJ was Ep1 & 2 tier bad but boomers aren't willing to admit that
>>218630326Star Wars and Empire doReturn is plagued with a lot of problems but has the highest highs of the Trilogy.
>>218633391>4K80 is the way to go these days.Agreed so long as it's non-DNR.
>>218633396I'm old and I think ROTJ is mostly poor. But it did contribute a lot to the setting. It gave us Jabba, Palpatine, Ackbar, etc.
>>218630326i only like empire anymore and it's only because of hoth
>>218633247I think a big part of that is 1. Harrison Ford being a cocky yet lovable son of a bitch and 2. Nobody had ever done anything like this before so they just delivered lines like they were acting in any other film.Then by the prequel trilogy the grandeur and institution of Star Wars had been firmly cemented so everyone’s talking in a posh British accent and delivering lines like they’re doing Shakespeare on stage.There’s no grit or raw humanity, every scene is clean and sterile. Even Tatooine looks like someone vacuumed up all the excess sand.
>>218633170If it’s a movie it’ll have Jewish ties.It is Hollywood after all but more so he was describing a rewatch ability that both suffer from
>>218633659The best you can do with the OT and the prequels is Steven Spielberg is George Lucas's best friend and has never betrayed him, unlike some Catholics. (Kennedy)
>>218633720It's so bad, you can't stop paying attention to it.Or, you're feeling insecure for liking something else, but what could it be?
>>218633765It's literally uncslop. George's true masterpieces were in the late 90s and early and mid 2000s
>>218633830>George's true masterpieces were in the late 90s and early and mid 2000sHi, Rick McCallum! How are you?
I still get choked up when Yoda lifts the X-Wing out of the swamp in ESB. There aren’t any other scenes in any other Star Wars movies or shows that do this to me and I have no idea why. Good to know I’m not completely dead on the inside I guess.
>>218633830The prequels were quite some time ago. They're basically uncslop now.
>>218633940>There aren’t any other scenes in any other Star Wars movies or shows that do this to meNot even when Anakin dies?
>>218633961No, there are no deaths or other scenes intentionally designed to have emotional impact that do this to me. I think it’s the combination of the inspirational music + Luke is completely hopeless and ready to give up on the whole Jedi thing, then this kooky little green lizard guy who we barely know at this point in the movie steps up and does the impossible and restores Luke’s faith. It’s just a very moving scene that pulls my feels in all kinds of different directions.
>>218634123When you put it that way. I think it's just incredible that Frank Oz, his team, Jim Henson,(he visited the set), Irvin Kershner, Gary Kurtz, and George Lucas pulled it off. I mean, Yoda in TESB is THE perfect muppet that somehow isn't goofy and is believable. And it has held up, for 45 going on 46 years.
>>218634211He looks goofy when his eyes bulge out of his head.
>>218633263It's actually pretty funny how closely ROTJ aligns with the issues with the prequels in general. The scene where Luke tells Leia they are siblings is very much "I hate sand" tier, and it seems like all three of the actors (especially Harrison Ford when he enters) can barely even say the lines without laughing (or groaning).
>>218634336Nah. He even looks good in RotJ that was shot with different film and a different set with different lights.
Comfy pulp sci fi. Despecialized versions only.
>>218634211Yes, even after all these years puppet Yoda still looks and moves like he’s an actual living being. CGI Yoda hasn’t held up nearly half as well (there’s nothing wrong with it, it just looks like late 90s - early 00s CGI). It’s moronic that they’ll pay an army of jeets to animate something when they could build a puppet and hire a team of puppeteers for a fraction of the cost.
>>218630326no, yes, no
>>218630326>Do they hold up?they used to, but since George changed the ending of jedi with vader saying no noooo it doesnt.
>>218630326A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back both still hold up. Return of the Jedi has always sucked because the climax is following 4 separate scenes and Ewoks in general were cringe.
>>218634581But but but, short-term savings! Line goes up, Anon!
>>218634667luke saving his dad/ his dad saving him is giga kino
>>218630326Ewoks suck. Darth Vader being Luke's dad was compelling, but Leia being his sister felt like Lucas just pulled that out of his ass. What's next? Han Solo is Luke's cousin? Chewbacca is their rescue dog? Admiral Akbar is their romantic dinner?Why the hell is Landon wearing Han's clothes?Special Editions are a farce. How many Dewbacks you need? Han shot first.
>>218634848>Ewoks suckOpinion discarded.
>>218630326the first movie moves so slowly. they go from tattooine to the death star and then its the end of the movie
Speederbike scene alone puts it over the top
>>218634709Which is fine but it was still spastic following 4 plot threads at the same time.
May the Schwartz be with you.
>hold upJedi was always garbage. Any contrary statements are prequel apologist tier opinions from the millennials who got into Star Wars in the 90s when they were too young to know any better.Hope and Empire have always been the only good Star Wars films.
>>218635060-t. pic related(maybe watch the film sometime after you mature)
>>218630326Corny unc slopZoomers demand DUNC
>>218634897that corny rear projection for the head on shots is the worst aged effect in the OT
Yup, that magazine right there is THE origin of the Return of the Jedi hate. It just did not exist before that magazine came out, and now fat slobs won't stop aping it.RotJ was "sacrificed" on the altar of nerdom in that magazine as some misguided attempted to be "taken seriously" as an OT-liker. That's dumb from the start because that's rooted in insecurity.Now "star wars fans" love to repeat that magazine's retarded tropes in order to be seen as "the COOL nerd."
>>218635159I bet you're real fun at parties, boss
attempt*And yeah, anyone who says they dislike, hate, or mock RotJ is in no way a real SW fan and never were, and they certainly were not there in '83 and knew how important and great it was and still is.
>>218635159>cornyOpinion discarded, fr fr 6-7.
>>218635206every zoomer is obsessed with fake historiographies
>>218635108>>218635206>>218635366Jedi sucks.
>>218635622Online polls and reviews mean as much to me or anyone as random bathroom scrawls. Look up the historic videos from 1983, then shut up.
>>218635622Those bad reviews are only because people saw that magazine article 13 years before it came out!
>>218635732Those are literally from the contemporary reviews, you absolute fucking retard.
>>218635749You can mock, but it's the truth. I was a fan before your parents even met.
>>218635622Jedi does suck but it's got nothing to do with some fucking magazine.
Always thought it was funny that people hated Jar Jar Binks when C3P0 had been annoying people for decades already, and "TFA is a rehash of the first movie" when RotJ existsStars Wars fans are fucking retarded
>>218635803No they're not, you got-damned liar.People lined up for blocks.>>218635827>the media never brainwashes the impressionable masses!Sure.
>>218635851>People lined up for blocks.Of course they did, the first two movies were good. People didn't know Jedi was a let down yet.
>>218635890And they did the same for its 1985 re-release, zoomer trashola.
ITT: (((they))) are trying to gas-light elder SW anons and newbies alike that RotJ was some sort of letdown. They're probably paid by people like Trek's Kurtzman who hates Trek (and probably OT wars).
>>218634848
>>218635937Star Wars fans lined up for Attack of the Clones after The Phantom Menace. Jedi was always the black sheep of the original trilogy. Some magazine from the 90s didn't spark that sentiment.>zoomerI'm already old enough that my being here is pathetic, so if you're actually older than me God help you.
>>218636086No. No to your lies. Go back to IsraHell.
>>218630326Return of the jedi has memorable moments but overall is a worse movie than either TPM or ROTS. The only movie worse than it is AOTC, which is simply a collection of videogame cutscenes with flat acting and the pacing of a bad youtube car crash compilation. Albeit, really, realy fucking cool looking videogame cutscenes. If george had just made a full scale triple a game with the same plot, it would have been an absolute masterpiece.
>>218636150>Return of the jedi has memorable moments but overall is a worse movie than either TPM or ROTSNo one thinks this. Go to /b/ to troll, thanks.
>>218636178I reluctantly agree with him about it being worse than ROTS thoughbeit
>>218636239RotS is a mess and ends like four times. AotC is way better and acts as a much better ending and segue into A NEW HOPE.
>>218636294You were doing so well but you overplayed your hand. I suspect the problem is that your ego wouldn't let sleeping dogs lie. Your subconscious had to make sure everyone knew you were trolling and not actually stupid. Dupers delight got the better of you, but that's okay. It happens to the best of us. Better luck in the next one, anon.
>>218636422>zoomer can't tell honest discourse because their parents and schools mind-raped them with constant gas-lighting that they never recognized>now they're here desperately projecting LoL:^)
Sorry, not sorry zoomers, I'm just gonna remember the 70s and 80s as the paradises that they were in comparison Clown Penis World now.And I will continue to enjoy them and many other films and shows and other forms of entertainment that I, and many others, will dutifully gatekeep from you.
>>218636491You can't salvage it champ, but I respect the effort and wish you well. You had an entertaining thread going for a minute and that's commendable.
>>218636550If pretending to win makes you happy, anon.Pretend can be fun!
Empire is the best. It looks the best and has the best music. Og Star wars looks pretty bad nowadays with its cheap sets and costumes. Empire still looks like a good 80s movie.Rots is bad and despite being younger looks worse than empire.
Imagine how empty zoomers lives are for this to keep happening. I mean, in 20 years I seriously doubt anyone of any generation, much less my own will give one second a fuck to invade a zoomer nostalgia board and to try and gas-light them that skibidi toilets never happened or that 6-7 was a masterstroke of a joke.I mean, we don't care. We. Do. Not. Care.About you.Repeat that yourself until you black out.
>>218636698>the film that needs a previous film for exposition purposes is the best oneHmm....
>>218636701Anon, please. It was fun while it lasted.
>>218636076Those who say that they hate Ewoks, are brainlets.
>>218633605>What is the opposite of cold?>HOT!>That's great! Now ad an "h".
the theatrical versions surebut that fat retard hack lucas couldn't just stop at his awful prequels, he had to ruin the OT with his retarded additions and then taking the originals off the market
>>218631577Nah, you just were told to hate Ewoks, so you comply.
>>218636985To be fair, he ruined Star Wars and Jedi before 1986; the SE was third coating if anything.Having said that, I loved seeing the SE's in theatres.
>>218633491>Return is plagued with a lot of problemsThat no one ever expounds on beyond "muh Ewok hatred". I even had an anon here tell that RotJ is the dumbest because "it's too short", even though it's longer than both of the others.Time flies when you're having fun.
>>218637117>The first act and the rest of the film might as well be separate films (The first act could probably stand on it's own as a better film, to be honest)>Too many underdeveloped plot threads going on at once>Clumsy, uncreative rehash of previous ideas (Death Star 2)>Not knowing what to do with important characters (Han and Leia are stuck by a door forever)>Significant events hinge on characters behaving entirely out of character (Why does Chewie suddenly become a braindead puppy who chases after raw meat dangling from an obvious animal trap?)>Luke joining the dark side is treated as an important plot point despite the fact absolutely no legitimate incentive for him to do so is never presented>Harrison Ford has clearly already lost interest and doesn't want to be thereDon't even need to mention how shitty the Ewoks are.
>>218637615>>Too many underdeveloped plot threads going on at onceSuch as?>>Not knowing what to do with important characters (Han and Leia are stuck by a door forever)They were pinned down because of a trap, and you'd know that if you weren't married to your phone.>despite the fact absolutely no legitimate incentive for him to do so is never presentedHaha! You really did not ever watch it. >>218637615>>Harrison Ford has clearly already lost interest and doesn't want to be thereYou say that, but offer no proof. No one even believes it. You just keep pushing the RotJ hate because "that'll make you the cool one."It doesn't.
So there you have it. The "brainiest" of the "SW fans" (ha) gave it their best shot as to posting their legit reasons to hate RotJ, and they failed as expected. Not shocked at all to see RLM talking points vomited out with no real discussion.
>>218637797>Not shocked at all to see RLM talking points vomited out with no real discussion.You've been blaming zoomers and now you're switching to Gen X
>>218637912RLM are Gen X, yes, but they aren't fans and are full of shit and retardation.
>>218631577This was the consensus when it was just the OT
>>218637941Nope. No matter how many times you gas-light people, it still won't ever be true.
>>218637937It's okay if you like RotJ, anon. You're allowed your opinion and it doesn't make you bad, wrong or uncultured. But there's no aimless conspiracy against that particular film. It's simply always been considered sub-par in the original trilogy and critical consensus at the time reflects that.
>>218630326I can't bring myself to care about empire strikes back
>>218638123>conspiracyNever said there was, but thanks for you attempt as gas-lighting me. ...>I have always been sub-par and hate my zoomer life and am jealous of cool Boomer/Gen X things.ftfy
*your **atOh man, anti-Ewok retardation is rubbing off on my posts!Just fuck off and watch skibidi toilet again, zoomy.
>>218631577This unfortunately
>>218633396its unironically zoomers who dickride rotj
All of the first 6 films are good.
>>218631577It's got the single best scene in the series that redeems it.It's so good that people have attempted to one up it repeatedly, but have never even come close. Hell, the ST tried it twice.
>>218631577Jedi is amazing from start to finish. >>218630326Of course they do
>>218630326I watched the first two. Kino aesthetics but they were meh overall as movies. People always said they were the best ones so I stopped
>>218636076>When the trees start speaking yup nub
>>218637797RLM was right about the prequels. The attempt to pretend they were good is retarded. I saw ATOTC when I was like 10 years old when it came out and I actually remember finding it shitty. I went to pizza hut birthday parties with Darth Maul menus when I was 7. I should have intense nostalgia for the prequel films and love them. I don't because they completely suck. I saw the first movie when it was re-released in theatres (I think I was 6) and it blew my mind and was awesome. The first movie being ANH.
>>218634376Making Luke and Leia siblings was a dogshit choice
>>218636546>>218636701Quality bait, but nobody is this pathetic
>>218639303>RLM was right about the prequelsHaha no.
3 of the best films ever made. Contrarians are just retarded.>>218631577Retard.
>>218642594This.
>>218630326Star Wars doesCan't stand ESB or RotJ. The latter is legitimately one of the worst films I've ever seen. ESB is at least good for the VFX, cinematography and performances. RotJ backtracks on everything and continues the nonsensical storylines ESB started.
>>218630326Zoomers don't even watch the OT. They only know about the shitty prequels and the shittier children's show.
>>218644065The prequels have the intellectual depth of an ocean while the OT is merely a puddle.Apologize to George, xoomer.
>>218630326Can't wait to AI enhance Jewish with wookies gassing stormtroopers instead of Matel fur bait
>>218640106Yes.
>>218644171Disney doing a worse job doesn't mean Lucas made good movies with the prequels.
I'm glad we've settled it. The Ewok fanbase consists of neuronmaxxing geniuses.
>>218645621Negative.>>218646143Affirmative.
>>218646452Name literally one thing rlm was significantly wrong about that isn't a nitpick on some random detail.
>>218633690wasn't spielberg one of the people who refused to help george with the prequels (until rots) and also encouraged the disney sale?kennedy also isn't the sole blame for nuwars being what it is, abrams was the one who forced the soft reboot as one of his directorial demands for tfa
>>218634211>>218634336>>218634581A lot of that is Jim Henson, you also see it with the puppet Pilot in Farscape. It's amazing. So expressive. You completely buy into the idea it's a real being
>>218646593I mostly agree with Plinkett's points, but he is wrong about some things.>the opening scene of Ep III is impossible to follow because there's too much stuff on the screenWrong, because the camera tracks the Jedi starfighters and they're obviously the focal point. Even a child would know this. I have never heard anyone else complain that the scene is confusing.>it's ridiculous that the Enterprise is the only ship close enough to Earth to defend it in GenerationsThat's a strange criticism, coming from the man who loves Star Trek: The Motion Picture, where the exact same thing happens. V'ger hurtles towards Earth and Kirk's crew are the only ones close enough to intercept. But Mike is curiously silent about that.
>>218633170>wholly non-Jewishbuddy, Steven Spielberg is close friends with George Lucas and was involved in the SW franchise since the start
>>218646593The plot of episode one is quite clear, makes sense, and works for the story.
>>218646976Oh I've seen that one too. Yeah he looks cool and is fairly believable as well.Better than anything in Labyrinth even.
>>218647271Pal, I knew that and my point stands. It's still wholly its own thing. Lucas succeeded. And there's nothing wrong with Steven Spielberg anyway.
>>218647266He didn't stick on the scene being hard to follow what's happening, he said the tone was hard to make sense of because it moves from space battle to slapstick humour to brutal character defining murder and then back to comedy. >>218647554The entire prequel plot makes very little sense. It "makes sense" to us that this is how Anakin is put on the path to become Darth Vader, but why that happens in the first place does not make sense.
>>218630326Jedi is the only good one of those 3.
>>218647738>The entire prequel plot makes very little senseWhat?The Palpatine wanted the Trade Fed to force a treaty in order to set up an illegal blockade that would force the Galactic Senate to vote no confidence in the chancellor so that Palpatine can ascend to power.
>>218633247Honestly you put into words how I’ve felt for a long time. Lines felt so much more natural in the OT, especially ANH and ESB >>218630326Yes. ROTJ less so, but the Throne room fight is unbelievably kino that it redeems much of the movie.
>>218647824>Palpatine wanted the Trade Fed to force a treaty in order to set up an illegal blockade that would force the Galactic Senate to vote no confidence in the chancellor so that Palpatine can ascend to power.That part is okay but it's also not depicted very well. Plinkett mostly said >we never see the crisis (only the blockade itself) which is bad film-making >it's very convoluted and requires everything to go as planned, which will be consistent for all 3 movies with every single acting character required to be dumber and dumber and the series goes on >if anyone's suspicious of palpatine (they were) check his blood for midichlorians, etc >the reasons for Anakin falling to the dark side make him very stupid, tricked on the flimsiest pretense >one scene later he's literally massacring children What he emphasized was this is so far removed from Luke's father wistfully described by Obi-Wan as "a good friend" that it's just a joke. The movies are also very ugly.
>>218648154>What he emphasized was this is so far removed from Luke's father wistfully described by Obi-Wan as "a good friend" that it's just a joke.That was stuff in between scenes. ;)
>>218647266>I have never heard anyone else complain that the scene is confusing.Return of the Jedi's final space battle set the bar so high, nothing else can touch it. Even the RLM snob crew knows this deep down, hence their misplaced complaint.
>>218638845Fucking A.
>>218647848Here’s something cool I noticed on a rewatch. All that crap that the cinema-illiterate buffoons at RLM didn’t pick up on is that the parallel plot lines of TLJ served a narrative purpose. They’re to illustrate how the Force actually works. Luke and Vader are at the crossroads of destiny; the fate of the entire Galaxy rests on their shoulders. By cutting from one scene to the next, it shows how what’s going on in the Throne Room affects what’s happening elsewhere. This is what Vader meant when he said the power of the Death Star was insignificant compared to the Force. When the Force is with you, you can win with Stone Age Teddy Bears on your team.
>>218649665Sorry, not TLJ - RotJ.
>>218635060Battle of Endor. I like it.
>>218637615This is pretty accurate but>Luke joining the dark side is treated as an important plot point despite the fact absolutely no legitimate incentive for him to do so is never presentedis set up pretty well with the first act imo.The door thing is really true. Endor could have been a lot cooler.
Return of the Jedi>first part = good>middle part = inconsequential snooze fest>ending = kinoIt's crazy how much the movie is carried by that final confrontation. Everything works well for that ending: the music, the imagery; the dialogue and all.
>>218637739>They were pinned down because of a trap, and you'd know that if you weren't married to your phoneIt still doesn't make the scene any more exciting.
>>218637615>Luke joining the dark side is treated as an important plot point despite the fact absolutely no legitimate incentive for him to do so is never presentedThis is somewhat of an issue but really it just serves to illustrate Luke's character. >(The first act could probably stand on it's own as a better film, to be honest)The entire Jabbas palace/yacht section is amazing. Best part of ROTJ. Space battle of Endor is cool too, as is the conclusion of the series. Seeing Luke as a fully formed Jedi Knight is satisfying payoff. He was a naive trainee in the first movie, got rocked by Vader in the 2nd, and now he's the pinnacle of force users and out of every depiction of that type of character across all films and media so far, he's still the best, and it's not close. You're seriously selling the triumphs of the story short.
>>218649902It does, but you need to be paying attention as soon as the 20th Century Fox Fanfare plays.You made a common mistake, rookie.
>>218634848just a cheap way to resolve the love triangle without cucking luke
>>218649789Endor needed to be more exotic. Finse and the Tunisian desert could pass as alien worlds, at least for a Western audience. But Endor scenes were shot in a Californian redwood forest. Lucas basically went and filmed in his own back yard, and so it looks like cheap television, like an episode of The Waltons or Grizzly Adams.
>>218650138>cheap Elegant satisfying payoff that deepens the characters and the world.
People can pretend that Jedi ain't great, but no one is talking about truly shitty "sw films" like The Rise of Skywalker. Really has anyone made a peep about that film for the past nigh on seven years? That says something. So don't tell me Jedi is crap. People don't discuss, debate, and dissect crap for 43 years with no signs of stopping.
>>218636239>try to finally watch ROTS after dropping the prequels at Clones 20 years ago because of people talking it up>first fucking scene has the retarded cartoon robot missilesI can't trust you fucking people not to be retarded
>>218650301LOL
>>218636239ROTS is a terrible movie. ROTJ is one of the best movies ever made. Not even in the same universe and you are actually a retard.
>>218630326Yeah, i'm not so sure the prequels hold up thoughMaybe they were always bad
>>218650264I'm a massive fan of the original trilogy and I noped out after The Last Jedi and never even saw Rise of Skywalker. People say it's worse than The Last Jedi which I find hard to imagine, honestly.
>>218649665Yeah and from a story telling perspective it works very well too. I just wish they chose Wookiees instead of Ewoks. I see what they were going for, insignificant primitive force beats big bad empire, but Wookiees would’ve felt full circle with Chewie
>>218650465Anon, it is so bad I won't even tell you a thing about it. Imagine if a random person were given the keys to Star Wars, and they proceeded to break every traffic law known to man. Then the car is impounded. And crushed into a cube.Then dropped into acid. Then the remains are encased in a glaze of feces and amber.It makes The Last Jedi look like the original 1977 classic by comparison.
>>218631531The original clone wars cartoon thing is pretty good too. I'll stand by calling that watchable.
>>218650264You can say that Jedi is the weakest of the OT and yet is still infinitely better than any of the Disney trilogy. Not only bad but completely forgettable.
>>218650197>can’t use desert planet because Jabba’s part is there>can’t use jungle swamp planet because Yoba’s stuff is there>can’t use blustery snow planet because Hoth was there>can’t use sky city because end of ESB was there>can’t use California because I said soWhat kind of biome/setting should Endor have had?
>>218650830I truly believe that The Empire Strikes Back is thematically the weakest of the trilogy, but it pulls off several miracles regardless and still delivers a spellbinding installment of the overall saga. Although, perhaps Jedi is the weakest because we are left wanting more, hence the need for Luke rebuilding the Jedi in the EU (which is very canon, regardless of what Disney says).
>>218630326nah. star wars just has cool designs for shit. star wars might as well have been a concept art book that you flip through and point at shit and go "wow that looks cool" but the actual substance of star wars as films is very lacking
>>218651002Totally untrue >greatest cinematic score in history btfos your point entirely all by itself
>>218651035>greatest cinematic score in historywhat does the Lord of the Rings trilogy by Peter Jackson have to do with what i said?
>>218651098You can make an argument. That's a truly beautiful score as well. They're very different in tone.
>>218633365>John Williams and the London Philharmonic Orchestra, everybody!
>>218650906Tibetan theme, with the Ewoks as the monks fighting their oppressors.
>>218633396Read the fucking thread, faggot.
>>218634602yes, no, no
>>218634918>fucking gigantic TIE fightersThis would have been awesome t.b.desu
>>218638845What were the 2 times in the ST? "I'm all the Jedi" and something else? It blurs together.
>>218646976The Dark Crystal was peak Henson.
>>218651245yes, yes, sorta
>>218650435>Maybe
>>218651707megryandoingtheorgasmactforallthree.wav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8g5VQvw2kc>moving, profound, intelligent, philosophical Genuinely these are such great films. What the fuck happened?
>>218650926What makes Empire so good is that they didn’t try to just recreate A New Hope 2.0. The heroes lose, which I think hasn’t really been done before. At least not in a mega franchise.
>>218651987Don't get me wrong, it's a golden classic, but you need to see the previous film and the next film after itself for Empire to be complete. It's a middle act and that's fine. I was just looking to be critical of an OT film, which is exceedingly tough.>The heroes lose, which I think hasn’t really been done before. At least not in a mega franchise.Planet of the Apes, but point taken.
>>218651987The made some big improvements in special effects for Empire. When Luke activates his lightsaber in ANH, it suddenly pops into existence, and you can see the awkward cut they made when the technician handed the prop to Hamill. In Empire the blade gradually grows from the hilt, and it looks a lot better. Also, the duel between Luke and Vader is vastly superior to the one between Vader and Ben in ANH. I still prefer the first film, personally, but I give Empire credit for its technical advancements.
>>218652232Ah I see your point. Yeah its one pain point is that it’s ultimately the middle part of a larger story as opposed to working as a standalone story or a big ending to the story. >Planet of the ApesAh shit I knew there was at least one that fit this example. Completely forgot about it
I know they catch flak for a multitude of valid reasons, but the Special Editions were my first real exposure to Star Wars when I saw them in theaters in 97. For 7 year old me, they felt truly magical, and I watched them many times after on VHS. Plus you had a resurgenge of so much other content, like Shadows of the Empire on Nintendo 64, and PC games like X-Wing Alliance, and other things leading up to the Phantom Menace, which I also loved then. Phantom Menace still has a comfy 90s charm to it that I like.Anyways, at the time, Return of the Jedi had one of the biggest impacts on me. It's the one Special Edition film I really remember seeing in theaters. The scene where Palpatine uses lightning on Luke, only to be saved by Vader was quite surprising to me, because up until then, the concept of an evil person like Vader being able to turn to good didn't really register as a possibility for me. It kind of introduced me to the concept of redemption in a way.Of course, when you look back at things as an adult that were magical as a child, the feelings aren't the same. Of course, you can look back at something like RotJ and find many flaws. Too much time spent on Tatooine. Rehashed Death Star. Phoned in acting (especially Ford). Sloppy retcons (Leia is his sister now). I never had a big problems with Ewoks though. Wookiees would've been cooler, but I think the main problem is the way the Ewoks attack stormtroopers in the film just looks ridiculous.
>>218630326I watched them so many times since I was little they just bore me now.
>>218649789The door kind of puts in perspective how low quality RotJ looks at times.There is literally one cool looking scene in the entire forest moon sequence, the one with the AT-AT walking up to a landing platform at nighttime. Everything else looks b-movie tier, like either it was filmed in my backyard or on a cramped scrambled together set.
>>218631531It's pretty amazing to watch ANH in comparison with what most movies looked like at the time. It must have been crazy to see that shit in a good theater.
>>218652404Yup, but I don't think that stops any of us from putting TESB on out of the blue (or whenever it snows) and enjoying it.
>>218652789Nta, but it's for that reason Star Wars is the oldest film many people alive have bothered to see.It's just shot and realized as its own world so convincingly that it makes everything before it look like an Ed Wood production.
>>218636546>Tape Worlddamn i wanna go back so bad
>>218630326og star wars is so funny because it's so distint to everything, and it holds on pretty goodempire and jedi have their moments, empire probably hit like crack back in the day, but knowing like the twists and shit, it gets pretty boring.
I love the part in Empire where the Falcon arrives in Cloud City. Suddenly there is all this color. The first half is snow, whites and greys of the Empire. Then the clouds at sunset at Bespin and visually its gorgeous.
>>218653299Thank God for Ralph McQuarrie, may he rest.
>>218631577idk if i'd call rotj complete slop but theres just something about it that feels so cynical compared to the first twoit feels like a movie made out of contractual obligation and theres just not a lot of real passion that went into it
>>218653513>it feels like a movie made out of contractual obligation and theres just not a lot of real passion that went into itIt has passion in a few places. The Henson Company put passion into their Jabba puppet, and Ian McDiarmid went nuts with his Emperor character. The guy who played Needa also deserves a mention.Hamill did his best with what he was given. The problem was that he was being asked to announce Leia as his sister, which was weird, because Luke kissed Leia in Empire. Any actor would struggle with that scene.
He means Piett.
>>218653817https://youtu.be/w-GPKo8q2Xc?si=vOn47MPuW9BoLm-z
>>218654042bump
>>218650465I immediately realized what they were doing after seeing Force Awakens and what a soulless derivative cash grab it was, to this day I have still not seen the other two and with what they did to Luke’s character alone I can say that I likely never will.
>still the most kino Star Wars release
>>218655565I envy you for not seeing The Rise of Skywalker alone. It should be called Palpatine Triumphant.
>>218655863Watching the original trilogy for the first time just sitting on the couch with my dad or seeing the prequels at the theatre were really memorable experiences, after seeing Force Awakens I knew that Disney was going to use the IP as a cash cow and nothing more, just a bummer when you think about what could have been.
>>218656292Yes, I wanted to see Lucas's microscopic take on his universe. Really. The man is a good salesman, and I wanna see what other wares he's selling for sure, man.But, all things end, sadly. Do we even want Star Wars to be something that out great-great-great grandchildren even give a rats ass about? As much as I love it, when I typed that, I realize that life on Earth would have to stagnate to even support that notion.We had our fun, and I plan on showing my kids when I have them, but I think after that, that'll be that for Star Wars. It's had a good run.
>>218656292>Watching the original trilogy for the first time just sitting on the couch with my dad or seeing the prequels at the theatre were really memorable experienceI want to re-reply like a fag because that part has to be acknowledged. Watching those with my dad was a lot of fun. And the last movie I ever saw with him before he died was in a movie theatre (AMC Theatre) that is now torn down and it was the 1997 edition of The Empire Strikes Back. I'll treasure that memory always.
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!
>>218630326TESB aged like sour milk.
>>218655863>It should be called Palpatine Triumphant.The problem is not that Rey is a Palpatine, it's that the family situation is never explained. Was Rey's grandmother an evil woman who loved Palpatine? Or was she a harem concubine, and taken by force? I was curious to know. The question is more interesting than anything we see in the film.I also think that Rey should have inherited some of Palpatine's powers, but I won't go into my fanfiction about that.
>>218658522>I also think that Rey should have inherited some of Palpatine's powersDidn't she? Wasn't she nearly invincible 99% of the time?
>>218658646I mean his powers of clairvoyance and disguise. She doesn't seem to have those.
>>218630326They hold up really well. Empires my favorite.
>>218658522Palpatine just cloned himself, there was no grandmother and Rey inherited the lightning.
>>218658522Yeah there really is too little information for me to put together any analysis that doesn't lead to saying it's an incoherent revolution begging to fall apart for lack of meaningful values, far worse than the conflict they accused the Original Trilogy of setting off as their phony initial incident, by very virtue of their unwillingness not only to use a simple male figure as a leader, but to even refuse a woman to 'act like a man' and take honest leadership. But nah dead grandma's my leader. Oh man you shoulda seen her cold in that casket, my radical lesbian ex-catholic sister looking on in the delusion of self-sacrifice. Why don't we send that old cunt to valhalla, meanwhile the poor errand boy gets harangued by some gook seeking the illustrious position of ball-and-chain because she needs him to stick around and provide her retirement for her career in whining. My god it makes the skin crawl. 'I dont know, haha, we made it! Grandpa's last words were kind of cool, but I guess he kind of molested someone or something? I don't know, we never got a clear story, better to leave it behind us and forget the whole thing' DOES IT REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING YOU'VE BEEN TOLD RECENTLY!?!?
>>218658813And that's why we call it ROTS. Stinks to high heaven.
>>218630326never heard of them, check some reviews looks like low budget netflix crap or even worse
>>218658687Yet.lol
>>218630326Yes. Absolutely. The effects still hold up and are largely superior to the CGI / AI shit of today. The use of scaled models and matte paint blended into the scenes is still kino AF. The soundtrack is classic, and among the best in film of all time. The characters, and their journey, is still compelling. All the characters are respected, and while Leia is kind of bratty, she never loses her femininity. While Lucas went all in for kiddie marketing in Jedi, these films are, and will remain, some of the best stories ever put on film.
>>218633940>I don't...I don't believe it!>That...is why you fail.Shit hits hard man.
>>218660056This'n^This trilogy belongs among treasured family items in ye old trunk to be passed down for all-time.
>>218633940Do we feel as though Yoda was revealed as a corrupt figure with the PT, and does not only encourage but attempt to force Luke to kill his own father?All this saying, even in the standalone OT, :Luke's natural honest and youthful wisdom supersedes Yoda's authority, though we admire Yoda's flexibility.
Return of the Jedi is better than Empire and I’m fucking sick of people claiming otherwise.
>>218630326damn im prob the only person in here who watched the sequels first then the prequels and then the orig trilogy like a retard and despite knowing all the spoilers of 4-6 they were pretty fucking good icl like a solid 4/5
>>218660491you could probably denumerate matters of taste in better than quintisections
>>218660595my bad sir, is 80/100 more to your taste? or basically the equivalent of htn in movies
>>218647738When they get on board the ship and get trapped in those beams holding them in place is one of the absolute worst scenes I’ve ever, ever seen in a movie. I still can’t tell if they were going for sarcasm or if they were trying to play it straight and it came out completely wrong. Utterly bewildering. In fact, you can extend this sentiment to the scene prior in the starfighters, the tone is absolutely dreadful.
>>218660632No I actually hate values of 10 as well. Remarkable lazy, as in I see you did that and now I'm remarking on it
>>218630326Better than the Prequels sure
>>218660491>watched the sequels first then the prequels and then the orig trilogyDamn, son. Sucks to be the youth of today.
>>218660688damn i was like 13 when rise of skywalker came out and it was the first star wars movie i ever watched
>>218631577You shut your whore mouth.
>>218653490/doffs hat
>>218660733>damn i was like 13 when rise of skywalker came out and it was the first star wars movie i ever watchedThis is the saddest thing I've read here in a long time. A long time.
>>218660733Same, I was also 13 when it came out but I watched all the star wars movies previously before that.
>>218660733Yea, y'all got the shit end of the stick with "culture". I can't imagine growing up with the commie identity politics that's been shoved down your throats. I'd probably go full scale serial killer....
>>218649665Best post in this thread. I think the main issue is that the cutting wasn’t handled well enough to make it clear that this is what was happening. It makes for a good deeper analysis conversation and almost feels revelatory when it clicks, but as a thematic device, it’s lost on most viewers, which is a shame. It’s an exceptionally George Lucas concept and was likely baked into the screenplay, but Marquand is hardly a visionary and didn’t have the chops to pull it off. Pity, but RotJ is still pound for pound the best of the OT, perhaps on par with ANH. Empire will always be one step below for me.
>>218649665Yes, and that's why Vader dies immediately after the Empire's flagship was destroyed. There's other example as the final confrontation between the Rebels and Imperials unfolded, but you get it perfectly.
>>218635108>fans with a lifefans with a life would have a 10 reason list not a 50 reason one
