What did he see?
>>218650452Damn he got his ass whupped
>>218650452I started on the 4th season of this since I heard they were all standalone, mostly enjoyed it, now I've been watching it from the start. 1st season was maximum overkino but I've been enjoying the 2nd season quite a lot, just about to wrap it up. I know it's not what you asked about but it's nice when a show's enjoyable, god bless anon
>>218650561:)
>>218650452man this was such a retarded ending to such a good season. i understand a near-death experience can shake a man but the weepy, sentimental, quasi-religious monologue he gives is so ridiculously out of character. a similar sort of "carving meaning out of the nothingness, forging relationships that outlast the material world" idea could have been expressed without totally negating every character trait rust displayed through the whole series but instead they went for the clumsiest and least believable spiritual awakening. i skip the last 15 minutes of the finale on rewatches
God
>>218650716It makes sense since that was always what he was, truly. He was only larping to be a nihilist cringelord because he hated himself for what he did and was trying to punish himself.
>>218650859at the end of season one he is clearly in a state of euphoria after going through trauma. He returned to his normal nihilist self in a few days.
>>218650859Indeed. The whole doomer nihilist schtick was a facade he hid behind to avoid facing his fears. Marty is a way more amoral and faithless character.
>>218650716You were literally filtered if you didn't see this coming.
>>218650859You can be a nihilistic cringelord because you hate yourself and not have anything underneath that. Thats how it usually works
>>218650859fundamental misunderstanding of rust on every level lol. pizzolatto himself is a reddit atheist who reads ligotti, rust is supposed to be the foil to marty (religious man who, despite ostensibly grounding his morality in the infinite goodness of God, applies his morals inconsistently) who proves that you can be not just a moral man, but a superbly, unwaveringly moral man without faith in a higher power. rust's morality is very very explicitly not grounded in notions of infinite, transcendent good as embodied by the Christian God, and he's shown time and time again to be correct in these instincts. him bucking Christian morality as imposed from without is the only reason they ever found ledoux, let alone childress. yes he obviously had an insane amount of bound-up neurotic tension and self-hatred that his near-death experience let loose but expressing that through him going "God and the afterlife is real actually" is unfathomably bad writing. it's one thing for him to let go of self-flagellating antisocial habits and patterns of behavior, it's another to have him reverse his most deeply held metaphysical convictions.but anyway, still probably the best season of television ever made
>>218650452These dubs
>>218651320He should have walked away from it all wondering if little girls give you superpowers.
Daddario's tits.
>>218651320>guy does something tragic he can't get over>starts to be a doomer>pairs up with a yokel>keeps trying to convince yokel that his doomer ways are correct>what's he's really doing is proving his doomer ways to himself>yokel stays a yokel>eventually doomer goes through a cathartic moment>realizes that he's not really a doomer after allthere, simplified it for you, since you're a schizo dummy that keeps injecting shit from side materials that you "researched"
>>218651320>it's another to have him reverse his most deeply held metaphysical convictions>Epiphanies have never happened ever
>>218651320this is a good effortpost which honestly infuriates me because i have a vested interest in making sure /tv/ remains a worthless shithole that produces nothing of value. FUCKING KYS
>>218650452
>>218651320oof nope Marty was the same sort of self-loathing nihilist Rust was, he just didn't know how to intellectualize it
>>218651498>keeps injecting shit from side materials that you "researched"yeah my bad for reading more than one book a year i forgot what board i was on.if the doomer shit is supposed to be proven to be maladaptive or incorrect it shouldn't have been vindicated every second of the show up until the end. rust's cynicism and distrust of religion and belief in the brutal, uncaring nature of the world drives the entire narrative, fuels every breakthrough in the case, and is the only reason any of the people responsible for mass rape of children get punished at all. you can say that this scene is supposed to show that rust realizes his nihilist instincts were wrong, but that's at odds with literally every other scene in the whole season. again, showing him tempering or qualifying this nihilism makes sense, showing him allowing some level of redemption in his understanding of the world makes sense, having him monologue about the beauty and love of the world like he's on molly doesn't
>>218651762notice how everyone stopped disagreeing with me>>218651566my bad, i just really like this show.
>>218651608what the fuck is that real
Did he run over his daughter?
>>218654548Yeah. The show doesn't give us any reason to doubt it. That kind of stuff happens sometimes unfortunately
>>218650716Embarrassing retard
>>218656254yeah i bet. now disagree with me in a substantive way
>>218650716>>218651320>>218651762I didn't mind the change, but I agree that it was weaker than it could've been. Him encountering his daughter in a NDE seems like a good jumping point to open him up to more optimistic and spiritual stuff, but he embraces it way too quickly. I was hoping for the series to gradually challenge and break down Rust's Ligotti-esque anti-natalism, but wasn't satisfied with how it was done.
>>218650452KANEDA
>doomsday cult is just a bunch of retarded rednecks and one insignificant politician
>>218650452the yella kang
>>218650716>>218651320oh dear...
>>218650452well they jabbed out his left eyeball so now he really isall right all right all right
>>218650716Actually one message of the ending thats not talked about is how Rust says something optimistic while Marty says something pessimistic, that's unusual cause is typically the opposite, this says Rust was right all along and that life is a ridiculous flat circle
He saw that even though it looked like the dark was winning, those little sparks of light could actually win in the end. It's a beautiful ending to his nihilistic rhetoric the whole show.
>>218650452He just was too good at his job. He found a real thing and got gang fucked by higher ups (as a manner of speech).
Lots of atheist cope ITT. Your fedora idol accepted the Lord in the end and ended up happy and successful. That's usually how life works. Nihilistic atheists who lack meaning suffer while smart people who accept Christ win at life.
>>218658616Note the role le based Christians played in the entire rest of the season (abusive pedophiles, useful idiots, confused agents of amoral modernity) and consider if this is the show you want to stake the redemption of a religious life on
>>218658616It's always been annoying how atheists identify with Rust when the story of his character arc ends with him finding hope in a world where he used to feel completely alone
>>218658717>Note the role le based Christians played in the entire rest of the season (abusive pedophiles, useful idiots, confused agents of amoral modernity)Those weren't Christians. False worshippers are literally the main theme of the show. That's why Rust was an atheist until he encountered Christ for real. Atheists are just lost souls declined by Christ.
>>218650561I'm surprised you kept watching after season four. It was fucking terrible.
>>218658616>didn't go fight for Israel in the Holy warHe didn't accept Christ hard enough.
>>218650452Finally started watching this since it gets shilled so hard on /tv/ for being kino. Pretty "meh" imo.
In the end, Rust doesn't find God, he just finds a sort of spiritual connection to his daughter. Perhaps an afterlife of sorts, but at no point is it implied that he now believes in Jesus and God as they're otherwise presented in the show.However, his character change begins before that scene; one could argue his dogged pursuit of truth even years after quitting the force could imply he still has some hope buried in him. Though he puts stock only in the "real" (aka not in any sort of God or etc), we can see he struggles with, and ignores, the strange otherworldly visions caused by his drug-damaged nerves. Another example that his nihilistic sense of self is a facade is how he shows up to Marty's house emotionally shattered; if he was as cool and collected as he projects he wouldn't be like that. We can easily see that he is not as nihilistic as he seems.When he finally witnesses Carcosa, his sense of reality is shattered. While the visions he hard were once caused by drugs, it is more ambiguous whether Carcosa is just another of his nerve-fried hallucinations, or an actual vision of an otherworldly phenomenon. In the latter case, he is awakened the the possibilities of reality beyond what is observable, and his nihilistic self is destroyed (and he himself is nearly stabbed to death).So then when he is in his coma, he is primed to open his spirit to the universe, encounter his daughter down there in the dark, and find hope.So no, it's not a sudden and random character leap, but the culmination of a season's worth of struggle and cope. >>218650716I'm phone posting so sorry for any typos and also I'm going to sleep so don't expect to hear back from my but I'll read any counterarguments tomorrow, as I am arguing in good faith.
>>218650452>What did he see?The Yellow Sign
>>218650452Jesus. He said at the end of it all, its evil vs good
>>218650716not going to lie but it sounds like you never experienced anything in life so far that would count as traumatic, near death or life changingi'm ASSOOOOOMING you only experience trough consuming media because you lack the irl experience, to even know what it would feel like, to feel. lol lmao
>>218650452>>218662898HEAVEN AND HELLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVUK2rtAkJE
>>218650716>weepy, sentimental, quasi-religious monologue he gives is so ridiculously out of character.Yeah man, Cole never monologued about existential crises or waxed poetic about various philosophies. He never showed any emotion or conflict about his daughter at all right? Why would he ever grow as a character after experiencing redemption and nearly dying through it - finally feeling connected again to the world and a level of peace with his daughter's death, feeling her spirit out there? Why would get emotional about it? You know, decades of sacrifice, emotional turmoil, disconnect, how his fucking daughter died? Why would he get emotional about that? You fucking moron.
>>218658769If it happened to Rust why can’t it happen to me? I wish I could believe in some nonsense that gives life meaning but it’s as improbable as suddenly believing in Santa as an adult. It hurts
>>218651320You dont understand Rust and you dont even understand religion.
>>218650452demons, demons everywhere Fenton...
>>218650452Doesn't he literally say that he saw his daughter and getting the closure and knowing she was alright gave him a newfound desire to fight for the good in the world and to help other people's children who might still be alive?
>>218650452a flat circle innit
>>218650452you know... black stars, flat circles and shit... spirals
Something like this>“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”>J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
thats why season 2 is svperior
>>218664289Season 2 lost me, it felt like the theming wasn't as strong and the story of the three protagonists felt lacking in connection.
>>218650452gonna need a rewrite where all of Rust's monologues are about lawn mowing. all his metaphors etc
>>2186505611 >>>>> massive powergap >>>>> 3 >2 >4
>muh evil rich pedosSo much buildup for this shit I swear. S2 was so much better
>>218650452a psycho's fear
>>218650716Nice b8 ngl
>>218650716You're soulless.
>>218650452Jesus
>>218651320Nice blog reddit
>>218651164Marty was such a piece of shit. I grew to hate him as the season went on. He deserved to be alone at the end.
>>218656903What does he embrace exactly? It's not like he woke up and wanted to go to church all of a sudden. The dude just felt a base level of love he hadn't felt probably in decades and it reinvigorated him to keep up the fight.
>>218663341Read Stirner
What do you think the average IQ of this thread is?
It was there the entire time
>>218667699schwifty five
>>218650452He saw a flat circle.
