It's too high brow and philosophical

>>218650634
Even though they tried to dumbed it down for the audience, Dune is not a crowd-pleaser

>>218650634
They’ve actually been doing very well for a series with far less mainstream kid friendly appeal, hence the third being on the way despite the second film not even being guaranteed when the first one was released

>>218650634
The cast is less talented, the series itself is less narratively cathartic, there's zero wish fulfillment and Denis Villeneuve is a boring director

>>218650634
Because the books suck.
>t. Recently read the trilogy

>>218650634
>Dumbed down and misses the point the source material was making
>Lots of inauthentic casting with flavor of the month ill fitting picks (chani, duncan, ect)
>Too many changes from the source material in ways that damage the story the longer it goes
>too afraid to get weird
>dune is niche at the best of times
Seems pretty clear to me. honestly it's surprising the movies did as well as they did.

big screens aren't as respected since medium screens made movies less magical because anyone can scroll through 1000 movies and say there's nothing to watch. and when something does get picked tiny screen comes out.

>>218650634
Another one of those modern slops where it doesn’t pull you in to the characters’ lives. Instead, it only presents the bare minimum needed to move the plot forward, making it difficult to form any deeper connection with the characters or the world.

>>218651256
/thread

>>218650634
-Casting is lackluster and DEI
-Production is bland and skips imaginative world building
-Very little about it is new and fresh and interesting

It's GOT in space (but actually in a desert). It's whatever.

>>218650634
It’s a cynical derivative work of slop.

>>218651832
I mean the source material. I haven’t seen the film adaptations.

>>218650634
because it's soulless drab shit by a talentless hack

>>218651255
>>218651645
None of this has anything to do with appealing to the masses, shit for brains. You're thinking of your fellow chuds.

Because it's not that good

>>218650634
Those other franchises had talented and charismatic main actors

>>218652155
The real answer is vastly different media landscape, as >>218651256 has pointed out already.

>>218650634
The reason is very simple, Dune just doesn't have that funky house, dance-pop, and disco-influenced pop vibe, it wans't released in 2002 and it doesn't features a polished, electronic-funk sound with a danceable, punchy bass line that bridges funk and disco. Harry Potter , Lord of the Rings and Star Wars all have that.

>>218650634
It was never trying to be like those, it was trying to be like Michael Moorcock or Peter K. Dicks new wave sci-fi stories. What Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert are trying to do with Dune is like fitting a square peg in a round hole.

>>218650726
Also doing well for a film series that started post-COVID

LotR and HP books sold in the hundreds of millions before the movies, AND they were made back when people actually used to go out and watch movies, and then rent and buy the physical media to watch them again and again
Instead of today where you have endless brainrot and slop to consoom

>>218650634
despite common misconceptions, audiences actually can discern between slop and kino.

It didn't feel like a big event because it was the third screen adaptation. Most people have seen Lynch's Dune, and many sci fi fans have seen the miniseries. So Villeneuve's Dune had the status of a remake, and it wasn't an upgrade in all respects. For one thing, the costume design was worse than in Lynch's Dune.

LOTR had been adapted into cheap animated films before, but the live action trilogy was a huge step up from those and better in every way. This was the first time we were seeing it done properly.

>>218650634
In order to make Dune palatable they needed to truncate most of the worldbuilding. The worldbuilding is what makes it interesting. Without all the bizarre ecology and anthropology it's just a story about a kid with superpowers getting revenge and becoming the king of the universe. You care about his powers because they're situated in an interesting world where monumental effort has taken place to cultivate those power. That story is as much the narrative as Paul killing Feyd. You care about him becoming King of the Universe because the Universe is bizarre and fill of weird and interesting stories and details that all intersect on this one weird planet.

You trim all that to make a marketable movie, but when people like it and look for more they find that there is no more, because it was all cut away. They go read the books and realize they're basically nothing like the movies. Then they either realize the world of the movies are dead in all the ways that Star Wars and LotR are fertile and move on with their lives or switch to being fans of the books with all their weird sex and jewish coffeeshops.

>>218650634
The books are very overrated and it's a miracle that they got this success out of them in the first place

>>218650634
Timothey Chalemet does not have the warm charisma that Mark Hamill and Elijah Wood have.

>>218650634
It's too low brow and unphilosophical

because modern young adults can't focus on anything longer than a tiktok video

>>218650634
Too late in the game for this sort of nerd stuff. After the woke onslaught on intellectual properties people have learned not to get emotionally attached to disposable entertainment.

>>218653484
The character isn’t supposed to, he isn’t a hero in the sense that they are and is depicted as such

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>>218650634
Woke ruined them. Liet Kynes is not a black woman. They were less focused on faithfully adapting the material and no one on the project was talented enough to make the changes work.

Star Wars and LOTR appeal to manchildren. Harry Potter appeals to children. Dunc appeals to no one in particular.

>>218650634
>why hasn't the Dune series captivated the masses like LotR, Star Wars or Harry Potter?
Because DUNE is an empty franchise. The first 2 movies took out everything interesting about the DUNE universe and told a generic love story about a white savior and a brown desert girl. Sci-fi without cool tech, fun side characters or cool weapons is useless.

>>218650634
Because thea ctual works are much more concerned with political intrigue, philosophy, and surrealism than large-scale adventure or action set pieces. It's why the best Dune adaptation is a low budget stage play. There's basically no battles in the original series after the first book.

>>218650634
Because 99% of these movies are just some nepobabby twink moping in a desert.

>>218652588
>post-COVID
During peak COVID. Dunc 1 came out in 2021.

>>218650634
Dune was already a polarizing series. Herbert's writing is clunky as all hell and the world he built was a massive break from ordinary science fiction at the time. You either loved or you hated Dune and this is true for the sequels too.

>>218650634
Because it's more of a depressing war movie while LotR was a hopeful where friends overcame evil.

>>218658570
I remember watching it in december with my family.
>over 4 years ago
Goddamn where does the time fucking go

>>218650634
>why hasn't the Dune series captivated the masses like LotR, Star Wars or Harry Potter?

Villanoob is like Ridley Scott-- great visuals, cannot be trusted to generate original script material.

>>218650670
non-pseud translation: it’s boring dogshit

>>218650634
The novels are the ultimate chud power fantasy and the movies are gay af

>>218650634
Ugly and boring, zero soul

>>218650634
it's lacking an emotional core. it's a cool spectacle, it just doesn't have much heart. Hogwarts and the Shire are places you dream of living in. Luke Skywalker and Frodo are sympathetic protagonists that you can see yourself in, and all of those movies are filled with loveable side characters. Dunc doesn't have that. you don't want to exist in the world, the characters are too cold and don't feel relatable. it has great visuals and some cool ideas that make you think, but it needs an emotional attachment. I haven't read the book so I don't know if that's a problem with the material, or if it's just the way Denis directed it, but it just feels very sterile.

>>218650634
It lacks an Oscar-worthy lead actor.

>>218659503
The books make you care by immersing you in what Shaddam's Empire is like. Movies don't have the kind of time to add in all of the little things. Books weren't meant to be adapted into films. Mini-series at most.

The story arc of Dune is awful. Paul escapes to the desert explores his powers, builds up an army. That's fine. But the Harkonnens don't do anything after grabbing power. They just sit there while getting decimated by spiced up desert warriors. In any normal movie, the villains would work on their own plan. Close before the end it would be looking like they are winning. But Dune messes this very simple sheme up badly.
Did you ever while watching the movies just wonder for one moment if the guy with superpowers and overpowered supersoldiers could actually lose the fight against the inept Harkonnens?

a bunch of sand isn't interesting unless it's tremors

>>218653956
that's fine and characters and stories like that have their place, but they're never going to have mass appeal like Star Wars/LOTR because of that. most people connect to stories on an emotional level first and foremost. Middle Earth would have never become such a popular setting if the franchise was nothing but Silmarillion style lore dumps and focused on the characters operating beyond human motivation. it's because of the empathetic characters of LOTR that people get drawn in, and then only nerds really delve deeper into the details of the lore and stuff. Dune is like if Middle Earth was just the Silmarillion. and I'm not using nerd as a disparaging term, it's just you gotta accept that nerd interests are niche.

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>>218651255
They will hate you but you’re right.

>>218650634
Dune has terrible set design it's not fantastical at all

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>>218652155
out of nowhere
>MUHHHH CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDS

>>218651255
4/5 of these also apply to Hackson's LoTR

>>218650634
I think it takes itself too seriously. I can appreciate some of the visual design in the first movie, but it’s not natural and ends up feeling disingenuous. The brutalist structures and huge vistas don’t feel like part of a world, they feel like they exist to make Redditors gawp and marvel whilst they act like pseuds. Same aplies to the cinematography, a total lack of colour and too much focus on ’artsy’ shit. Also, the plot is too dense and less to-the-point than regular Heroes Journey movies and the first movie was too long and that also puts off the average viewer. I like Villeneuve’s work but this is not his wheelhouse. He should stick to Fincher esque stories like Prisoners.

In reality, you can cast all the Timmys and Zendayas and Momoas as you like, but Dune is real nerd shit at its core and as long as you’re keeping even remotely faithful, you’ll gate out the norms very fast.

>>218650634
kids can't understand

Only midwits find this "smart"
Dune is not high literature, and villanueve is a hack

>>218650634
People got tired of high concept, fantastical works, and also of franchises.

For me it’s the inability to suspend disbelief.
Jessica is the product of thousands of years of planned breeding to create someone whose will is indomitable, but she turns into a quivering mess during the Gom Jabbar test. She is cold to the point of hostility during Paul’s ‘voice’ breakfast but a blubbering mess when he gets tested. The Fremen are an isolated people with tens of thousands of years of breeding among themselves with few exceptions but are a multiracial heterogenous mess of people with different racial backgrounds and speaking accents. Irulan is a woman of transcendent beauty bred by the Bene Gesserit but played by a dumpy refrigerator-body troll with polycystic ovarian syndrome. Chani is supposed to be exotic and beautiful but is played by a Figueroa St hooker with a lazy eye. Stilgar sounds like he should be asking if you want tableside guacamole (and I fucking love Javier Bardem so that’s not racist to say). And this is just the start. There are just so many problems with casting, performances and costumes that stop me from losing myself in this vast, empty, soulless series of movies.

>>218660098

There's a lot of room in an adaptation to capture the culture both of Arrakis and of the setting in general. A lot of it is shown, a lot inferred and a lot left to the imagination (that can be filled by a creative director).
The plot is conveyed through tense high-stakes dialogues and introspection.
The action scenes/set pieces naturally appear at certain points and the lead up to them is conveyed adequately for translating into a movie.

Lynch managed to capture most of it and there's a lot of soul in that movie. The problem is that the producers wants to make the next Star Wars there. But either way almost every scene in that movie is iconic and so are the props, music etc..

Villeneuve on the other hand is too bland of a director. There are sparks of creativity here and there, but almost every single scene in both movies goes like this
>wide shot of a minimalistic environment
>two (three) people are standing there like props
>person 1 says a line
>person 2 counters
>person 1 stares at them
>tense staring session
>cut to next scene

Everything has this weird limp energy to it. Characters just quizzically stating something ponderous then trailing off. It's almost like nothing of any substance is said at any point. You can watch the movie with volume muted and get the exact same experience.
This kinda clashes with the main writing approach in the books, which is mostly characters battling with words and trying to get away with murder within the constraints of their rigid hierarchical system. There is a lot of jabs and back and forth between them in almost every interaction. It's like a stage play really. But nothing like that is found in Villeneuve's Dune. Everyone is just a prop with zero chemistry and presence. Just say a line so we can move to the next wide shot of a brutalist block of something.

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>>218650634
Dune is very boring.

LotR, Star Wars & Harry Potter are exciting.

>>218650634
The MCU mogs all of them in terms of "captivating the masses" btw.

>>218659299
>>218659352
>>218660570
/thread

Dune is just dull

>>218660506
Well said anon

>>218650670
The books are. But as this anon points out >>218660506
The movies aren't.

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>>218660506
Same problem with pic related

>>218650634
>LotR, Star Wars or Harry Potter?
They're all children's stories with clear good guys vs bad guys and happy endings
Dune is the opposite of that
The protagonists are uber-ultra-fascist space Hitlers, and every single character is a Machiavellian cunt.

>>218660506
I think the sterility of Villeneuve's direction works extremely well in something like Sicario where it serves to reinforce the cold bureaucratic nature of the American government and its indifference to extrajudicial killing. The problem is that his version of Dune is tantamount to a Kathryn Bigelow action thriller about the Middle East. The sequence where House Atreides first arrives on Arrakis is structurally no different than Jeremy Renner arriving in Iraq for the first time. I cannot understand why Villeneuve wanted to use the same cinematic language as stuff like Zero Dark Thirty or The Hurt Locker. Obviously they all take place in the desert, but the decision to use the same washed out colors and other stylistic cues was so disappointing.

lotr and harry potter are for children and star wars is dune thats specifically designed to appeal more to the masses

Most of what I'm getting from the thread is
>barren desert is barren and I don't like that

>>218660992
>I cannot understand why Villeneuve wanted to use the same cinematic language

That's the only cinematic language he has.

>>218650634
barren desert is barren and I don't like that

>>218650634
Cause it's about how unreliable messiahs are. A modern "writer" would have Paul retire happily ever after and tell us how peaceful and le epic and fair his empire is.

>>218650634
>why hasn't the Dune series captivated
this feels like a very arbitrary metric. ive never seen anyone who didn't like the movies.

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>>218661064

>>218661048
>somehow the setting is something you can't criticize

>>218660570
>LotR, Star Wars & Harry Potter are exciting.
>Star Wars
>bro thinks he is on the team
SW is a just a brand that captivated millennials and boomers. it doesn't have a canon. it's the definition of content. should be replaced by the fat mans ice and fire books.

>>218661096
>setting for the book is the same setting for the movie
>this is bad
You retards go ape for boat movies when the majority of the shots are a boat with 2 people on deck with nothing but open ocean in the background. Now that the water is sand, you're pissing, shitting and farting about it. Are you Anakin Skywalker? Do you hate sand? I legitimately don't get it. It's the same sublime feeling.

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To accept Villeneuve as a quality director is to garb yourself in a coat of hot pockets and video games and then writh around on the ground in a supermarket while screaching and slapping yourself on the sides of your head.

He is cheeto dust. Nothing more than a hack, a useful tool for studios to trot out to say "Hey, we're making art house!" I cannot wrap my head around the adulation he receives, let alone the wide praise this has got. The film trudges from set piece to set piece, leaves us no real questions or anything to think about really.

2049 was a culmination of hackery and evident of the intellectual dullness of his previous films. The man is simply a proficient illusionist. He knows who to surround himself with. For instance,he employs the likes of Roger Deakins to photograph his movies with IMDBlike sensibilities in order to hijack the approval of impressionable film buffs looking for the next piece of “cinema” to fawn over. Then he calls up Ryan Gosling, still enjoying the indie spoils of his Drive fame, in order to drown 2049 in arthouse approval.

The same bullet that kills a capeshit fan will also kill the Villeneuve and Paul Thomas Anderson fan. They come from the same root, from the same doritos stained console. They are frauds, and as a warrior of cinema it's my duty to expose the fakes and the inauthentic when I see them. I will fight with crawls and teeth until the last imposter is fallen to the ground

I have about as much respect for Denis Villeneuve as I do for the dogshit on my shoe. It is reddit. It is video game hotpocket. It is capeshit. It is cheeto dust. I'm literally screaming right now and slamming my arms down on my desk just thinking about it.

It is the most depraved video game infantilized manchild degeneracy. It is saturday morning cartoon.

It is non-neurotypicality.
It is memes.
It is video game.
It is tarantino.
It is imdb.

>>218650634
Because these movies are shit. And the books have a steep drop in quality as they continue. The shit from Brian Herbert isn’t even worth anyone’s time.

>>218650634
because its fucking trash. scififags are unbearable

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>>218661048
David Lean made the desert beautiful

>>218661251
It's crazy how a movie from 60 years ago shot on location looks better than modern Dune shot with all the technology and knowledge of film making that we have now.

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>>218650634
Fruity Gatwa buggered me senseless

>>218661224
not at all. the fat man's books are an objective phenomenon there's nothing recent that comes close. i don't really have anything positive or negative to say about SW. yes they are popular with a certain age group but there's no juice in the squeeze.

>>218661180

it's kanyecore

>>218661048
Weird how Dune 84 doesn’t have that problem.

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Here's my review of Dune:

Watch Farscape it's a lot more interesting and has cool puppets.

>>218661067
There are a bunch of them in this thread my callow friend.

>>218650634
I hate timmy and that brown slag and I shan't be watching it

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Dune is hard sci-fi. You are supposed to be aware of all of the universe details, weirdness and eccentricities. Its part of the charm of the books.

Dennis cut every single peripheric detail from this history and let bland performances and simplified characters. We are at the point the romance is central to DUNC, where in the books it was very much sidelined in favor of Paul inner conflict towards killing 60 billion people.

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>>218661753
borderline meme/ragebait posts about dennis and the 80s movie. nothing that's real criticism worth exploring. the fact that Dune is one of the goats of scifi literature and DUNC is well received by both book fags and casuls is all you need to know.

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>>218661891
>romance
>sidelined in favor of Paul inner conflict towards killing 60 billion people.
im sold.

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>>218661737
Cant beat a cool puppet.

>>218661922
My poor media literacy caused me to find the movies boring and dull so you can happily ignore my view and agree that everyone found the movies great.

>>218662041
Funny you bring up AoT its essentially the same dynamic as Erin, down to the pre-sentient temporal awareness, but with a better pay off and obviously not writing by some coomer jap dumbass.

>>218650634
Because theyre garbage movies

>>218662110
>agree that everyone found the movies great.
not really my point. i was just answering to the OP. these movies will "captivate" the masses as much as possible given the IP. You should also consider the fact that Peter Jackson was a huge fan and his LOTR movies were a passion project. I see that in Dennis as well.

>>218662213
> I see that in Dennis as well.
lool

>>218662137
>Funny you bring up AoT
are you for real

>>218662213
>will "captivate" the masses
Still waiting for that to happen, hardly anyone even knows about it.

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>>218662234
Timothee is a frodo or harry tier casting. same with a lot of the cast. the casting worked. that's also rare.

>>218662243
What? It really is similar to Dune, I wouldn't be surprised if that jap hack outright copied it. Would explain a lot him being a midwit that stole an idea and fumbled the bag on a majorly hyped series.

>>218662272
Ratface is an uber nepobaby. A total studio demand just like dog-woman and miss piggy. This fucking entire series is a studio-job Dennis took for a bag of money, give me a break with this ironic shitposting faggot.

>>218662286
>What? It really is similar to Dune
yes you fucking retard. WE KNOW THAT.

It's not as accessible, so it needs to be dumbed down for widespread masses- and the movies seem to be missing the point and ruining entire characters and removing scenes for no reason. Also, everything is brown and dark

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>>218662311
>Ratface is an uber nepobaby.
>millennial mogged by the sharpest zoomer jawline in town

>>218662366
anon you posted some weird AI fake poster, besides I can SEE Timothee, he does have weird features and needs a very particular angle to look the wat you think he looks all the time.

>>218651255
I actually liked Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho, I went into the theater ready to hate his portrayal of him, but I ended up liking it.
I actually didn't hate any of the casting overall I just didn't like how taciturn the Baron was and how rushed everything was, leaving out the dinner scene, Yuehs betrayal was horribly foreshadowed, etc.

>>218659316
>The novels are the ultimate chud power fantasy
Uh sweaty, Paul is supposed to be a bad guy.

>>218650634
The problem is that NOTHING will really capture everyone's attention like those did because entertainment is so fractured these days.

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>>218662393
Duncan casting makes sense when you realize it was about future proofing for an action hero. Shaving Momoa's beard was absolutely a mistake, though.

>>218650634
>the mahdi's name is maud dib
pfft

Because you aren't 12 year old any more. Who knows what kids those age think of it?

>>218650634
All modern movies are bad
Villememe can't make movies either way
The cast is woke and retarded

>>218661602
Many such cases.

>>218652155
>None of this has anything to do with appealing to the masses, shit for brains.
That's where you're wrong, fucktard. Even normies pick up on a vibe that says Lack Of Anything Interesting Going For It: The Movie

Dunc production in a nutshell is: It has some cool shots few and far in between and that's about it. Overal it consists of things you've already seen hundreds of times already in other works. Dune is an archetypal story, so it comes with the territory, but that's why it would've been important to include all the strange details, rather than omitting them

>>218650634
Maybe Part Three will finally capture the magic

>>218650634
Zoomers like it, but zoomers are irrelevant

Because zendaya is boring

>>218650634
It's fucking retarded.
It's "what if Lawrence of Arabia, but abstract sci-fi shit."
Also the movies mostly look abhorrent, like a PS2 game.

Entertaining movies but too bleak to remember fondly

>>218650634
dune 2 made 715 mil bro what are you even talking about and dune 3 is easily going to make 800 mil too thats pretty much as good as it gets for a non marvel movie that isnt aimed at kids

>>218650634
Because it's not feelgood slop about good vs. evil.

The desert is a boring biome.

>>218659755
the harkonnens are backed by the emperor. paul isnt just fighting the harkonnens, he is fighting the entire galactic empire

>>218667187
after the 2nd one came out I saw all the uni students that work at my local grocery store, liquor store, bars etc. reading messiah on their phones, occasionally actual books

>>218650634
It's too low brow and nonsensical

>>218659755
they literally fucking tell you why the harkonnes dont do anything its because they spent all their money on the war and transporting the emperor's sardaukars on arrakis and now they just need to focus on actually making the money back
and the harkonnens were always inept the only reason they were even able to defeat the atreides was because of the sardaukars

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>>218650634
Lack of visual flair
Not enough wacky side characters that fans would like

>>218660791
Stay mad, faggot.

>>218650634
Because it's bad, the cast is awful and the director sucks?

Warhammer Fantasy, Warhammer 40K and Battletech when?