did it make sense?
It made sense, it just wasn't an interesting or captivating or cool story
>>218650639It's about as simple and opaque as they come. How did you not get it?
>>218650762opaque means the opposite, anon.
>>218651079yeah yeah whatever the other one then
>>218651144based and checked
from s01e01 to FWWM to part 18, every individual scene and the sum of all scenes makes perfect sense as long as you keep laura at the center
>>218651371how? >>218650762what happens at the end? sarah? audry? judy? horse? 253? richard and linda? the twin diannes?
or the atomic explosion? or the bearded men who ask got a smoke? or the thing that throws up?
>>218650639No.
>>218650639Twin Peaks S1 is the only good thing Lynch has ever made
About 80% of it makes sense. Lynch always had some things that defied explanation, and it's best not to obsess over them. You have to go with the flow when you're watching a Lynchkino.
>>218655615Season 2 was great. And season 3 was hilarious, we got Dougie pilled until the last possible moment and thinking about that always makes me laugh, what a massive fuck you to the fans, making them wait 25 years plus another 17 episodes for the MC to return. Truly Lynchian genius.
>>218652519that question is so broad it's clear you can't even bluff your way through a reasonable discussion. but try again: you get one question, be specific
yes, but it wasn't entertaining, just like the original.
>>218655615I've seen all of his feature length films and twin peaks, and the only thing he ever made that I appreciated at all was eraserhead. used up all of his ideas on his first flick and that was that.
>>218650639the more I explore David's filmography the more I realize that it's all connected. Everything is. So yeah, makes sense the more you expose yourself to the madness.
I miss the /tpg/ bros so much
>>218657541Jade give two rides
>>218657661Eddie Vedder and Trent Reznor are the key
>>218656682i asked about many specific things too. if i specified those even further i would only be listing many questions raised around those things that are very obvious. like what is the significance of the judy restaurant or the horse statue? surely nothing like the mulholland drive bits of reality reincorporated into a dream thing is happening. right?>>218656815i feel sort of similar, but i would include other ones in black and white like the elephant man or what did jack do. despite being the most overtly surreal one, eraserhead was without a doubt the one that felt the most coherent and meaningful to me. everything feels like an expression of a state of mind, while still having some of his best executed visuals and sequences. in his works afterwards, the underlying thing always seems to be some good vs evil thing, the mysteries don't quite feel like they have answers and so aren't very mysterious (the most satisfying one is an "it was all a dream" situation), the acting is in this deliberately asinine style that's funny but overdone, and even the visuals aren't as consistent. the return is structured almost entirely around one prophecy after another coming true, but not in an interesting way like the classical ironic twist. it's the most barebones setup-resolution device. the haunted ballroom surrealism also feels a bit default now. i don't know, unless it all somehow connects i feel like a big portion of it has been unearned ominousness, and if it was even a little less convoluted i would have been confident in a resolution and would be able to enjoy the air of unsolved mystery more.
Electricity
>David Bowie gets turned into a tea kettle Why couldn't he have just held on a little longer?
*filters you're audience*
Did he waste his cast
>>218650639it was a mistake but /tv/ will never admit it
>>218658255Watching it as it aired I was actually mad at how the show took it's time so leisurely. Damn I miss David Lynch.
>>218658362same
>>218658594same
>>218650639I don't know, I couldn't finish it it's so bad
>>218658651f i l t e r e d
>>218658283Absolutely not. Even Michael Cera and Sky Ferreira killed it in there little parts
Nobody will ever get a blank check like David Lynch did, ever again. That being said, this was art, this was his specific art, it should be viewed as the outsider art it is and S3E8 is the last challenging piece of film surrealism created in the United States. Absolutely not for everyone but those who seek something approaching transcendence
>>218658255>David wanted to be the one to do the sweeping since it was a life long passion of his but decided not to go through with it in the end D:
>>218658651>he doesn't know what it feels like to sit through The Return to completion for the first time A pity
>>218650639If you were intimately familiar with the original run, Laura Palmer Diary, Dale Cooper Tapes, and Lynch filmography? Plenty.
>>218658362>>218658594>>218658627watched it together with /tpg knowing nothing about the show but childhood memories of the intro music. still was enjoyable and made sense to me
>>218659185this plus the comaland miniseries cut of fire walk with me
>>218650639>>dissociation, le showgimmicky and shallow, soap opera with low tier mystery, characters floating in unreality.
>>218657541
>>218653494>or the atomic explosion? birth of evil>or the bearded men who ask got a smoke?the consequences of the aforementioned birth of evil>or the thing that throws up?she was sick
>>218659185I don't indulge in Frostslop.
>>218652519>what happens at the end? sarah? audry? judy? horse? 253? richard and linda? the twin diannes?sarah* was dead/replaced by faceless thing. just like the grandma & little boy (with cream corn) that disappeared after donna delivered a mealaudrey was institutionalized. the guy barking in jail during the last couple episodes was a patient that escaped. (she kept asking about him)judy took cooper back in time to save laura, gave her a new identity, reset her timeline. also the reason jefferies knew there would be 2 cooperswhite horse was a spirit guide for laura. maddie was a copy, like dougie jones253 is some buddhist self belief thing, cooper mentioned monks while he was throwing rocks at bottles in season 1richard & linda are their new identities now that laura didn't die. felt like an inside joke about actors leaving a show and being recast in a new series. like the last episode of newharthttps://youtu.be/McVWkGWMHKIit ends with him back with his 1978 wife from his other showdiane was raped by bob/cooper and ended up at the *got a light* gas station. she was replaced with a copy (like maddie & dougie and maybe sarah). she worked with bob/cooper while her sister ended up with dougie/copy.its all to protect the timeline. if laura never died, then sam stanley follows up on ronette after theresa banks. cooper & dianne would have moved to the carrie page timeline before season 1, episode 1 as richard & linda.**with laura removed, bob still would be in leland and something probably happened to sarah in both timelines. carrie page would still have the bob trauma, sarah/copy would still remember laura. alice tremond (the woman in sarahs house when cooper & carrie showed up) is related to mrs tremond (the grandma with creamed corn). she was also mrs chalfont in the trailer park during theresa banks & alice bought the house from a chalfont.
>>218662397it's funny how Laura dying and Bob having to get garmonbozia from Leland instead significantly reduced Judy's influence.
>>218650639>mandatory "hows annie?!"new season lost its luster, feel and ambiance not worth watching beyond the first 2 seasons!
>>218662675idk if judy was good or bad, more like a monkey paw to grant wishes.
>>218663627retard
>>218650639>still spamming this shitKill yourself
I watched The Return for the first time recently. I couldn't get into it immediately, but my opinion of it gradually rose as it progressed. Part 8 was when it clicked, and the last 2 episodes are truly masterful. I do wonder what the reaction was like in 2017?
>>218650639It spells nothing out for you and it's also very dense. I had to get some smart people explain the plot to understand what's going on but it does make sense once you think about it. Essentially dark coop spent 25 years amassing a fortune and researching how to summon Judy to trap light coop into a box by creating a fake exit point from the red room. Then dark coop set up a whole conspiracy with assassins on all layers of society to kill light coop in case he escapes the box before Judy shows up in it. Judy shows up late and kills two innocents in rage, she then turns against Mr. C and starts spereading around fake coordinates to an electric trap set up by Phillip Jeffrey's.Then basically the 95% of the rest of the show is this conspiracy slowly unfolding and everything tracing back to evil coop's plan to kill good coop with almost every random new character that shows up being in on it. All this jumping between towns is really an excuse for Lynch to make references and homages to cinema history and play with genres while tying it back to the original story.
Tried watching this expecting some mindfuck psychological stuff, but it was really generic. These 'watch X amount of shit episodes for that one unhinged scene' series really need to go.
>>218658792"outsider art" is right, i think. the more i think about all the threads the more awkward the bigger picture becomes. but that is not entirely the point as in something like the chair company, which is masterful compared to this. there may be entertainment value in seeing someone be that free with a budget, but its not necessarily artistic value. there are still very interesting things coming from the US like the chair company or the curse. some of them are high budget and lynch inspired as well like beau is afraid or if i had legs id kick you.
>>218650639Yeah it made sense. It's not even that complicated
Yeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wcxbkJXZYc
>>218667341did evil coop even know good coop could come back? why would judy turn against evil coop? its not that it spells nothing out for you. it leaves so much up in the air that it feels like it wasn't even written.>>218662397much of this seems way too conjectural.how would laura not dying turn everyone into different people? lets say shes not only not dead, but also removed entirely from the timeline, and for some reason they are all different people, except dianne dissapears from the motel for some reason, why is cooper still an fbi agent?
>>218667654there are so many threads that are left unresolved, at least explicitly, that i can guarantee that you've forgotten many of them if you think it's not that complicated. also everyone seems to have a different view on the bigger picture, but none of them are quite satisfying or interesting.
>>218656338>what a massive fuck you to the fansand then in the grand final conflict with all the fan favorite characters watching, Bob is defeated by some literal nobody new character and then Coop gets stranded in an alternate reality forever. It really did feel antagonistic in a funny way.
>>218667790The main plot isn't that complicated, and thats what most people are talking about when they say they don't understand something.I'm saying it made sense, even if two people have a different idea of what they think the plot is, it still made sense to them both.Ambiguous endings don't always mean a story doesnt make sense
>>218658792Advertising is the opposite of art
>>218656338I have so much respect for the Dougie story line.To hang that over an audiences head for like 15 episodes is so malicious, yet its done with so much sincerity too that it wins you over. On my first watch I was getting annoyed too, but once the Mitcham Brothers got involved I was completely won over by it. It's so much fun on a rewatch when you aren't getting cockteased into >COOP BACK ANY SECOND NOW GUYS TRUST
>>218667863>The main plot isn't that complicatedit sort of is with garmonbozia and judy and the ending.>Ambiguous endings don't always mean a story doesnt make sensei don't mean "can we make a logically consistent whole out of these elements". i mean sense as in intended meaning. was a conclusion or even multiple conclusions actually thought through and intended? if the picture people have of judy and mr c's plan and the final cooper can differ so wildly from each other with none of them being defined and complete enough, then maybe not.
>>218668159Alot of Twin Peaks is confusing on a first watch, but only because some things are explained later, and somethings are explained by implication or in the background. What the main characters are trying to achieve isn't that hard to understand by the end of the show, even if some stuff doesn't make sense in the moment.Like wasn't garmonbozia even explained in Fire Walk with Me? It's explained that it is human suffering at some point and that the spirits in the lodge consume it for energy or something similar.
>>218667930If we had Cooper back right away, the series would have only been a few episodes.
>>218667418Calling TP generic is peak zoomer intelligence at work.
>>218668344also the world would look a lot more bleak for most of the characters that dougie helped. on the other hand, does any of it even matter after he altered the timeline?
>>218668233what is mr c trying to do? what does it mean for good cooper to be trying to kill to birds with one stone?
>>218668751birds = girls = Laura and Judyone stone = Palmer house
>>218668751>what does it mean for good cooper to be trying to kill to birds with one stone?He was trying to save Laura Palmer and defeat/trap (admittedly a bit vague) Judy with one stone. The stone being time travel.
>>218668751>what is mr c trying to do?He's looking for Judy. Most likely to get more power. He's literally evil, in a primal sense.The first half of the show is mostly his plot to trap Cooper inside Dougie, and to have Dougie take evil coopers place in the black lodge, which he knows he will be forced to return to in exactly 25 years at the end of season 2, because thats the rules of the lodge for whatever reason.
>>218669070>for whatever reasonthe opening of the lodge in S2 is due to the alignment of planets or something so it's probably the next alignment 25 years later.
>>218668866>one stone = Palmer house???>>218668890why did time travel result in everyone's identities shifting completely, changing things from even before laura's death?>>218669070>He's looking for Judy.so this anon's theory >>218667341 of judy being an accomplice or a master to mr c and the glass room being a trap for cooper so that judy can eat him is off the table? also there are those who think judy and laura are one, and there is some evidence for this.
>>218658792>Nobody will ever get a blank check like David Lynch didtrue>this was art, this was his specific art, it should be viewed as the outsider art it isyeah>S3E8 is the last challenging pieceI don't think it was challenging. He was doing 2001 A Space Odyssey but with a nuclear explosion. I heard so much about that episode, and then it was just a cover version of 2001.I settled in and watched it, but it's disappointing to watch something by Lynch and know exactly what he's doing.
>>218658255>>218658362apparently it was because the actor needed a certain amount of screen time to get some health benefit so its actually lynch being a bro.
>>218650639I never watched the show and I'm too lazy to binge it in one sittingI know Kyle McLachlan is a cop in the show who investigates the death of a prom queen in a small town , that there are supernatural shenanigans and that some guy with long grey hair is some sort of evil entity who possesses the girl's father and abuses her under this formOther than these details, I don't know anything elseCan anyone try to resume the show simply ?
>>218672614I'd maybe watch the season 2 finale and Fire Walk with Me first. That would be enough for you to follow the basic plot in 3 but you'd miss some more minor character stuff
>>218671279Yep, they gave him a role and a payday to help him out.>>218669585When Sarah kills the trucker, Judy's mouth is Laura's. It may be that the Fireman sent Laura to stop Judy, Judy wants Laura to get into the white lodge.
>>218672674The entire gist of the story is in FWWM and the season 2 finale ?
>>218650639Which is the more confused; that show or Neon Genesis Evangelion
>>218674961?
>>218653494>atomic explosionBirth of the television era where people would succumb totally to the influence of state media through the guise of entertainment. The story of Laura Palmer is her realizing she is a fictional television character and that her existence and all the resulting pain and cruelty and trauma associated with it all exists for the sake of entertaining us, the audience, who like the residents of Twin Peaks are also stuck in a cycle of cruelty and ignorance and kept complacent by the same media apparatus. That's why the final image of Laura in FWWM is her laughing in the glow of a flickering television as she finally sees all of us, the sheep on both sides of the screen locked in a perpetual stare as our masters go about their foul business openly around us because they know we'll never turn our gaze away. She ascends above it all into a symbolic heaven, a place free of the normie and the sheep.
>>218674931Not entirely, but most of the important setup for season 3 is there based on what that anon said he knew
>>218675145Lynch wasn't really a meta film-maker like that he mostly went by vibes and his dreams
>>218667341This seems pretty accurate, but I'm pretty sure it's Major Briggs and the giant/fireman working against Evil Coop and sending him fake coordinates, not Judy. They beat him by sending him to the police station instead of the Palmer house.
>>218650639I've explained it several times but it falls on deaf ears here. No more of my pearls for these swine.
I’ve just finished the last season and I know I’m late to the party. But anyway, in the end, it’s implied Cooper is lost forever?
my internet went down so I started finishing off my rewatch of S2. It has its moments desu.
>>218650639gottalight
>>218666121>I do wonder what the reaction was like in 2017?https://www.atomicarchive.com/media/videos/media/oppenheimer-quote.mp4
I love Andy x Dick
>>218650722Filtered you have dogshit tastes
