In day of the dead, I can't figure out what the characters disagree about. The scientist woman want to run off and get impregnated by the nigger the drunk and her faggot boyfriend, but the soldiers want to run off too. The chick doesn't believe in Frankenstein's experiments, let alone understand the point of them, because they are pointless, and because he refuses to explain anything, but Captain Rhodes is in the same position. The chick gives cover to Dr Frankenstien Logan the whole film, why? Professional courtesy? And why am I supposed to root for her and the nigger and the drunk and the faggot? It must be a generational disconnect. They all seemed annoying, but particularly the woman. I wish she'd been torn to shreds for insubordination in the tunnels, instead of the soldiers. The acting was fine, even if the woman was wooden and a mary sue. Whatever, the dark oppressive tone and the music were good. I wanted the movie to last longer, and watch them all go stir crazy for 2 or 3 more hours. Having everything come to a head was thrilling, but they zapped the wrong people. If they'd had the black guy get killed, or had a gunfight above ground that somehow bricked the chopper, and everyone had to stay put, it would have made the stakes even better, and I might have begun to care about the normie characters. Even if they wound up getting eaten, or starving, it would have been better than having the cunt get everyone killed just so she could go starve and soon be eaten on a beach.
The character of bub was fun. I liked his scenea and interactions with Dr logan. Particularly, I liked how he hardly started being conditioned, but already knew how to make trouble, and that they never got him to hunt or fight other ghouls. Making his scenes a series of red herrings. He only existed to clip Rhodes, and to provide a focal point for the hairbrained antics of Frankenstien. Apart from a chance to show gore, and convey that the ghouls cannot be domesticated>they have to have a reward. If there's no reward, there isn't any point. No point at all.It puts the nail in the coffin of the whole premise of the science mission that no one is telling the truth about their progress, and everyone is more concerned about their status than about stopping the ghouls. Nb4 the progress report confrontation. But they've been down there for months, maybe years, and they have never shown any results, or bothered to keep the soldiers up to speed on anything. So big brain academics and liberals trick right wing warrior class males into defending them from the horde of niggers roaming the streets, by promising them vaguery, and couching their privilage in weasel words which invoke the warriors' sense of duty. The scientists, and particularly the woman, have created their own civil war, and yet we are supposed to side with boss bitch and her faction of degenerates.
>>218654386The science team was in the dark with Frankenstein's nonsense research and especially his methods of "rewarding" the zombies. Sarah wanted an actual cure but couldn't do it with specimens. The troops wanted results but Rhodes was too much a hothead and ego. Mr Bean and his black friend had the right idea, and should have slipped away. Take Sarah, tell the troops they're off searching for survivors but really fuck off and fly away for good.
>>218654767Dr. Frankenstien Logan is my favorite character, because he's wonderfully crazy, and cannot hide from anyone except the whole set of characters in the movie. He goes around drenched in gore, never getting sick, of course, and is a walking contamination hazard, but . . .>is there food?Is there food? They must have food. They never talk about a lack of food, and one would assume they have MREs and a mountain of powdered eggs laying around. The nigger or the drunk mention the presence of government cheese down there, or perhaps that was in the commentary, but the real life application of the salt mine was the same as in the movie, sans the zombie dissection and rape threats. Anyhow, the interruption and questioning about food seems to be the only reference to humans inquiring about a meal, and it is a nonsequitor request, not a desperate one. The real question is one of violence, and how to get more bullets. >We don't have enough ammunition, captain, to shoot them all in the head. Time to have done that would've been at the beginning. No. We let them overrun us. They have overrun us, you know? We're in the minority now. Something like four hundred thousand to one, by my calculations. I haven't eaten. Is there food?Not 'is there water,' we see the woman use a drinking fountain in the second act. Is there food? Like there should be catering. Once it dawns on the normies that Logan is just nuts, with his childhood trauma recordings inside the laboritory, a great touch, they don't turn on him, they just decide to turn on the military. The same military who has been protecting them the whole time, defending and feeding them, and whose trust they have abused as bad as any rabbi ever did to school children. The only one who isn't actively against the militaru is Frankenstein, and even he feeds their corpses to Bub to get him to obey, or hooks electrodes to their brains and so on. The pointlessness of his ventures and the over the top gore make the point.
>>218655280But still, he views the military, at least with some professional courtesy, and makes his excuses for being late instead of asserting his authority, like the woman. The other scientist is just there to pretend that there is something going on, so that the woman running around subverting the operation seems less crazy. And it is crazy. The woman is the villain. She is the worst. She tries to pull rank on the good captain, protects an on tilt one armed faggot nutcase who she beards for, and keeps pushing the envelope until the whole base is destroyed. >we're all pulling different directions. We should work togetherShe never extends an olive branch the whole movie, and acts like she's in charge the whole time, but everyone has to explain everything to her.>nah bru, she's toughTough like a bad steak, maybe.The bit where she goes mutiny in the mess hall is such a cunt move. No one else sees it, but she, only valuing sex, is betting hard that she is untouchable because everyone wants to touch her. She's queen bitch the whole time, mouthy, arrogant, dishonest, and litterally a backstabber, because she dopes up the fag boyfriend without his consent, likely conteibuting to his hesitation later which gets him bit, mutilated, and pushes him over the edge. >you made me look like an assholeHe is heard to say, like buffalo bill. And she did, but I saw through it, and knew for years that she's the baddy. A big talking bossy woman is the ladt problem anyone needs in the apocalypse. Didn't you ever watch walking dead? Ever see a mouthy bitch contribute anything but turmoil? Nor in real life too.Because the real world is just a bland version of Day Of The Dead (1985), where blacks and browns have overrun the humans, and mouth cunts try to be boss.That's a digression.That's commentary, but think about it. You know it's true. You all saw it. Look at a haitian cat eater, or an indian uber driving coolie, and tell me there isn't a ghoul invasion going on.
>>218654386Rhodes was the good guy.
>>218655706>Because the real world is just a bland version of Day Of The Dead (1985), where blacks and browns have overrun the humans, and mouth cunts try to be boss.I skipped the whole thread and somehow landed on just this sentence kek.
>>218654386They hate each other and they're trapped together in a little salt mine with no clear hierarchy outside of their little factions. They'd fight over absolutely anything.
>>218654386>The scientist woman want to run off She rejects that idea until the very end of the movie when everything has collapsed and there's no other choice>The chick doesn't believe in Frankenstein's experiments, let alone understand the point of them, because they are pointless, and because he refuses to explain anything, but Captain Rhodes is in the same position. The chick gives cover to Dr Frankenstien Logan the whole film, why? She's working on her own avenue of research, and she's competing with Frankenstein for priority with resources, but more important is defending the merits of the overall project so that the military doesn't leave them with no protection and no resources. Also Frankenstein explains his research extensively in the movie>And why am I supposed to root for her and the nigger and the drunk and the faggot?You don't have to, the movie just uses her as a focal point for the story since she rests kind of inbetween Frankenstein and Rhodes
>>218655706But seriously, the woman contributes>checks notesNothing.>nothing to the progress of anything>no valuable insight>no support for the team>no boost to moral>no resourcesBut Romero is a liberal, and after Night went 60s viral for casting dean jones and>taking a stand on racismHe went full bore with his other films having stronk women.Dawn has a whole arc about aborting the last pregnancy on earth. I can't remember if it is in the theateical, or just the director's cut. Anyway, he couldn't help but feature magical blacks in the rest of his movies, probably because he was backed by jews, they wanted nigger heroes, but maybe it'a a cohencidence. Still,Dawn of the dead>black hero fucks white womanDay of the dead>black hero fucks white womanLand of the dead>black bub kills evil white rich manIt's all blacks fucking whites, one way or the other. Also, he's an insufferable feminist. >But op, you don't get it. At that time, feminism was hip and popularTell it to Philip Morris and the RJ Reynolds tobacco company, buddy. I ain't buying that the general population has ever done any more than seethe and put up with mouthy boss bitch women. Feminism is like some weird homosexual act where men use women to sexually, economically, politically and morally dominate other men, but only the ones who are decent enough to not beat and rape random women, and that's just gay. People who support woman's empowerment are gay. People who look to women for authority, permission or approval are all gay. People who promote feminism are gay. You're gay.This poster is gay too. Look at how they try to make the woman look tough with the machinegun. Does she even use it? Maybe a burst, but I don't remember. Her only contribution is her dust covered vagina served lukewarm to a dying drunk and a bisexual black man on a sandy beach. That gay mexican wasn't having sex with her, I'll tell you that much for free. He was disarmed.
>>218656395>But seriously, the woman contributes>checks notes>Nothing.That's the conclusion she eventually comes to, but her role in the project is to figure out how to reverse the disease. That's what Washington stationed her there for, whether she'd end up doing it or not. It turned out that the odds of her research leading to anything were exceedingly low, which she did not immediately accept, given the stakes.
>>218655809He is. But apparently, even Joe Pilato thought he was bad because>muh ronald reaganLike nigger, they used an MKUltra agent to put him in line, he must have done something right. Which can only mean that pilato is another liberal. It's as lame as hearing the guy who plays Steel, Gary Klar, talk in the making of about how stereotypical his character is>he's a racistThat must have been the worst thing in the world in the 1970's and 80s in pittsberg was to be racist. No wonder we've landed in the current year.>>218655812Now we're all in our respective bunkers talking over the radio about the hordes in the various cities where we're surviving. Some of us live in high rises, some in shacks in the woods and try to keep quiet, but all of us are in danger of being overrun every day. And like in Day, all attempts of increasing the brain function and domesticability of the ghouls has failed. We, males generally, are the warrior class, being given the runaround by self appointed eggheads who claim to have a solution to our problems, which we are never permitted to see, or discuss, and when we ask about it, or god forbid demand answers, we get mutinous bitches trying to unleash hordes on us, faggot mexicans siding with our enemies, and drunks and blacks trying to steal our helicopter. >there aren't enough bullets to shoot them all in the head.They should do another remake where the liberal saviors try to actively stop the white male standins from defeating the ghouls with guns, that would be great. This one just has a bitch making petty trouble. But if they redid it, there should be open border activist types blowing up munitions factories and ammo dumps, and lecturing the other survivors about their privilage. I'd end it with the white men feeding the liberal characters to the crowds of undead. Then they could rebuild a hyperborian paradise and it would be cringy and try hard as fuck, but you know what? It would be OUR cringy try hard fantasy.
>he doesn't like the drunk or bob marley the pilotBANG, YOU'RE DEAD
>>218655054If just shows to go you that intellectuals are just as braindead as the ghouls. All they know is how to collect their check, and renew their contracts. They're all bureaucrats, with no accountability. They don't know because they don't want to. Their job is getting funding, not results. It would have been apropo to jave them squandering theor resources more and demandong bigger budgets, instead of jist bemoaning their circumstances and how they don't hsve enough>enough what?Enough, you know, enough. They don't have any. They're all out of enough. They need to go ro town on a shopping trip for another box of enough. But the military won't give them any more enough, so they have to be killed.The remake should have them burn supplies like a highway road crew to justify budget increases. Did I already make that argument? It bears repeating. The bureaucrats, and especially all women, are the real badguys.they should also take a page from the comic books and recruit survivors just to do the pointless experiments on them and feed them to zombies for no reason, knowing full well it advance that it will accomplish nothing at all.>we've got budget considerations, Laura! Don't contradict me on this.Unappointed salarymen are the true enemies of mankind.
>>218657645>Bang you're deadThat part was the most confounding, and I related to steel taking it as sarcasm. Like, you want to kill the woman? The only woman? It was the most insane point of the film. It would have made sense to arrest her, or to shoot anyone else for mutiny, but her? That was her whole gambit in playing the queen bee. He should have pistol whipped her and the soldiers could have run a train if they wantwd to mqke the soldiers 'be bad', but instead everyone was only hinting at the possibility, and commenting on the nonsensical juxtiposition of them doing their job and maintaining decorum when all any of them really wanted to do was go gonzo on the only woman left on earth. The woman wanted it too, she just wanted to be choosy and have black kids. Typical liberated woman. She also had tattoos, probably.Also, why bother leaving? Sit on a beach, or whatever, ok, but there's no cover, and they can't bring their food. They take off just to go sit on a beach until they run out of supplies. What's the range on that helicopter? 300 miles at least, because the mention the flight distance at the beginning as going 150 miles down the coast of sarasotta. How far to the nearest military base? The nearest armory? It just seems like they never really thought of anything, and yet they have nothing but time. No one bothers any novel solution in the fipm, except feeding the dead to the undead to get them to say hello to aunt alicia.>nb4 it's to make the situation feel desperateI know, i know. But also, again, this movie was made by liberals, and liberals are always desperate, hopeless, and unimaginative in the face of adversity. Sadly, they always cast themselves as the heroes instead of more apropriately as merely 'heroes' or realistically as anheroes
>>218658264the tropical island is the surperior option
fucking hell you've been crying about this for 2 hours. we get it, you're a spergy bitter loser with incel rage and a brown IQ.
>>218658456I've seen the dawn of the dead remake, and the island is full of zombies, plus the island of zombies in the film zombie.
>>218655280About the food - it’s been a while for me, but I wonder if it was a nuclear shelter. We had one near where I grew up. It was in a system of caverns, and a friend of mine who got a summer job as a tour guide took me to see all the supplies they had stored.
It's so strange how people can not just take a piece of media as it is. Op's lens is so distorted, You have a couple decent criticisms but most of what bothers you about the movie is rooted in your hatred for women and minorities, not any actual problem with the film, It's the right wing equivalent of a liberal hyperfocusing on a film for not having enough blacks or other minorities and just makes your criticism seem more product of a twisted, radicalized worldview rather than any type of productive film critique, I mean, good critique requires an understanding of the medium, Knowledge on the background of the film, the director, the writer, not just subjective >This would be better because I say so OKMaybe watch a few vincent gallo films and watch his video of him talking about critique and learn something
>>218658983In the making of feature, they talk about the site being a government run installation in pennsylvania where they stored government bought cheese and other crap. The bit where the chopper pilot talks about the stuff down there isn't far off. By the looks of it, it is exactly the same context in the film, some government storeage facility. Full of meaningless business records and other details that the pilot thinks are worthless, and yet are things which only he has bothered to investigate. The writing is all pretty stilted, frankly. But that's whqt you're going to get in a romero movie. The whole thing he hated about consumerism in Dawn, and the motifs in that make the point that he doesn't appreciate or understand what keeps society together, even though he features it prominently in all the film, qnd in the motivations of everyone from the heroes to the biker gang, the loot. Without the stuff in the mall, no one cares about anything, and without loot, there is no reason for survival. No reason to stop at the rural airport, or the docks, no reason to go to the mall. They all want to possess, but none of them want to work, or build. TWD featured the same types of characters, and themes, because it was written by the same kinds of people, but it too never understood why anyone did anything, and kept up a pretense of loyalty, or ideology, or personal power, without realizing that people did evrtything for the ability to smoke and wipe their ass like human beings, and that cheap alcohol and prostitution are the real foundational basis for a society.
Why did they go crazy again?
>>218659560Being stuck inside all day every day. Can you imagine? Just being inside all day? Sounds horrible
>>218659297It's a bad set of characters that a liberal tries to make into our heroes, vecause he got money from jews for making blacks and women the heroes in the first 2 films, and every film, romero gets more lazy. This is the worst one for the heroes, because they are the badguys, the actual badguys, who refuse to help, construct or provide anything. The film gets the tone and music and sense of claustrophobia done right, though curiously NOT in the part where the woman and the drunk are thrust into the mines, that part is completely without tension, because you know how it will turn out. No, the whole thrust of who is going to win is spoon fed to us, and it repeats the degenerative arc of romeros earlier work. What makes Night so good is that dean jones dies, despite actuappy being heroic, and that barbarra dies despite being our innocent protagonist. But for the race aspect being put in, though romero denies it was intentional, it would have been a better film, but becauses race is pushed into every aspect of film, television and media we must watch it through the racial lense that was chosn for us and thrust upon us, instead of just being entertained. Dawn does it one better, because romero was being intentional, and he gave the whiye woman to the black man, who he cast intentionally, to make a racial statement. He also gives us a sronk woman to make up for the weak frail one in Night, and she spends her time trying to decide whether or not to kill her and the pilot's baby. We don't get to choose the featured characters, or the plotline, romero and his politically inclined backers do that. It isn't the audience reaction putting politics into the film, but the writers and producers. >radicalized worldviewWhere did you learn that cannard, deescalation training? The plot of Day makes no sense, they all want to leave and fuck the woman, but the woman ruins everything until everyone is dying, and then she bails, and we're supposed to laud her. Balls to that
>>218659560>Why did they go crazy again?
>>218659718>>218659938Sorry, I forgot not having sex and not going outside makes normal people lose their minds.
>>218659560They got nagged to death and given blue balls by the last harridan on planet earth. The part where the captain orders steel to shoo the woman is the crux of it all, and you see that she's never had to deal with consequences in her whole life. She just stumbles into martial law, and thinks that all she has to do is keep manipulating her weak gay boyfriend and everything will be fine, and she stands thee keniving about how, just how she might be able to manipulate all the other men to her will when she gets told to do something, and like every other time in her life, she refuses to be any man's slave! Then she stands there dumb steuck when Rhodes orders her to be shot. She's like a blind prostitute. She never saw him coming.And it takes a moment of bickering and guns being pulled out to realize that Rhodes isn't joking with princess, and that there is a thing called consequences, even in a government cheese warehouse. Romero has to sweep that bit under the rug pretty quick, and distract us into thinking how Rhodes was the badguy by bringing in an actual psychotic butcher to verbally distract and dress down Rhodes. The writing and madness of the behavior only work because romero says they do. He mostly keeps traditional morals in place like a wall, to protect his minorities and women, so that those same minorities and women can hurl insults and vitreol back, and be justified becauee of their own victimhood. The hordes of nameless faceless immigrants are there to vindicate the ire of non-white male hero class, and deliver horrifying violence on the enemies who the producers had written into the film, straight non-liberalized european males
Sarah is not “supposed to be rooted for” because she is perfect. You root for her because she is one of the only characters still trying to behave like a rational human being in a madhouse. She covers for Logan not because the film thinks he is admirable, but because the scientific mission, however compromised, is still the last fragment of a plan larger than pure survivalism. She understands that Rhodes is unstable, violent, and increasingly incapable of handling ambiguity. And speaking of that, Rhodes is not wrong that he is being kept in the dark, but the movie also does not portray him as some tragically reasonable manager. He is authoritarian, impulsive, and driven by humiliation as much as necessity. He does not merely demand results. He rules through terror, threatens people constantly, and turns every disagreement into a loyalty test. The soldiers are not just frustrated protectors being unfairly maligned. They are armed men whose command structure has decayed into rage and bullying. Romero is showing that military discipline without legitimacy becomes naked domination very fast. Rhodes has a strong point buried in his madness and that’s why he’s still a memorable character
>>218660390She's the prime featured character, the protagonist. The film opens with her bad dream of being grabbed, follows her existence as awoman who somehow does nothing of value, while contradicting every man she meets, which is every other character, and it ends with her sunny victory, being served fish by not one but two men who obey and follow her. She isn't behaving rationally, she is trying to consolidate control, and does so by thinning the herd, and playing the factions against eachother. She doesn't mind the madness of Frankenstein as long as she doesn't have to rearrange the powerstructure which favors her position. But she never considers turning against Frankenstein, even when she realizes that he is using humans to feed Bub, she protests reprecussions, refuses orders, talks back, wants to wait around in the open at the beginning, and to wait too long when the ghouls show up, she doesn't want to listen to anyone else unless she is out of options, and even then she has to twist it into her own version of everything. She drugs her boyfriend, a soldier, and when told not to exceed her authority in private is openly insubordinate and then publically insubordinate at the meeting. The instability and violence of rhodes has been carefully depicted, but he never exceeds his authority, or behaves unreasonably. Shooting her doesn't make sense from a human standpoint, but it makes very good sense from the standpoint of military order. A real world version of that situation with similar open mutiny would get anyone shot. They just had pilato go over the top in his performance to bias the audience. If he'd been cold instead, first, it would have been more natural, dull coldness is more the way for a man to deal with this level of trauma, but it wouldn't have been as easy to have the audience prejudiced against him. He isn't ruling through terror, either. He is completely practical, and isn't willing to let the faux science squad continue to play him for a fool.
>>218660985The claim consolidating control gives her way too much strategic coherence. She is not a chess master thinning the herd with a Machiavellian approach. She is reacting inside a collapsing bunker where any choice at hand is bad. In fact, one of her traits is that she does NOT control the room. Rhodes has the guns, the man power, and the ability to impose consequences. Logan has the scientific project and the secrets. John has the helicopter. Sarah only has influence at best and even that is shaky. So, calling her a power player makes her sound far more dominant than the movie actually shows. And Rhodes absolutely does behave unreasonably. “Military order” is not a magic wand that turns every violent impulse into legitimacy. Threatening, humiliating, and terrorizing subordinates while demanding obedience from civilians in a mixed survival situation is not practical leadership, it is command decaying into domination. The fact that a harsher real-world military might punish insubordination severely does not prove Rhodes is right. It proves the movie is examining what happens when command logic is treated as more important than trust, competence, or reality. Rhodes wants simple obedience in a scenario that is no longer simple. That is his tragedy and his failure.
>>218661234You don't seem to be conscious of female behavior patterns. All women who seek control, do so by influence peddling, lies and subversion. It starts with choosing a manipulatable patsy.She fucks the weak guy, or we assume she does, i think sh's a fag hag, because he can be controlled. She orders him around, and orders others around concerning him. She tries to make him her own personal command sunordinate, and drugs him against his wishes. It's classic abusive behavior. Then when he gets bitten, and it looks like he'll die, she finally breaks down, because she cannot dominate anyone or get supply, because while the organizational structure 'science mission' gives her cover, she and everyone else realizes that it is all a farce, and that the old scam is over now that Major cooper is dead. She never does anything useful in research, and neither did dr fisher, and nonody believes that Logan is doing anything>what are you doing with my timewhich means nobody believed in it before, but they all have military order and discipline under Cooper, restraining their impulse to leave. That impulse is correct. The fact that Rhodes gives the scientists the benefit of the doubt shows that he is in fact reasonable, and rational, and only grows frustrated by the refusal of the woman to cooperatr with him.Curiouspy, the woman insists that everyone should cooperate, but, as she has no authority except her>influence at bestHer calls to 'cooperate' which do not include obeying Rhodes orders, and in fact preclude such behavior, as she is consistently rebellious, can only point to the 'cooperation' being under her own pfders, and following her own ideas and command. Watch the sequence leading up to the big meeting, she calls for cooperation, and then tells Rhodes to get fucked for contradicting her choices.>cooperationFor a manipulative woman means doing what she wants. It's the means by which every woman dominates other women into a pecking order, or her own spouse.
>>218661769Ok this isn’t even about the movie anymore so I’m going to let you continue talking and seething to yourself for hours about how you hate a fictional character
>>218660390> the movie also does not portray him as some tragically reasonable manager. He is authoritarian, impulsive, and driven by humiliation as much as necessity. He does not merely demand results. He rules through terror, threatens people constantly, and turns every disagreement into a loyalty test. His character is vindicated a lot by the fact that he only recently took over after the last guy (who the scientists admit they still hated but he was nicer about things) was killed. So, his actions are more sympathetic, being based on experience, not just personal whim and meanness. And he makes it clear exactly why he can't afford to dope around anymore ("you've lost 1 man, we've lost 5"). You can assume that, under command of Major Cooper, he saw enough flaws in the original, more lenient approach, that he realized that an authoritarian, iron fisted approach was absolutely necessary. Ironically, he wasn't brutal enough, as he still gave people enough chances to screw him over with, when his men would have survived if they really did just pack up and leave early, letting the scientists fend for themselves
>>218662029You should read the rest of a post before replying, just saying. I never said Rhodes was wrong because he’s evil and the villain. He has strong points like being kept in the dark and losing men but having legitimate points isn’t a magic wand for doing whatever the fuck you want
>>218661234>Military orderThat was what cooper gave. Cooper also gets slit from stem to stern by the people he has been protecting. Rhodes has served the whole time, and way longer before going to the bunker.>i've seen it a thousand times. He's gonna dieHe did his duty, but he smells a rat. A big fat rat weqring glasses, and another one with a ponny tail running interference for him. The men, privates from their rankings in the cast log, are only concerned with base desires, and rudementary duty. Rhodes is concerned for his men, who are being slaughtered for the sake a bureaucracy, and the status of do nothings who are lying to him, and have been for years. Martial law is keeping the bunker FROM collapsing. All the people dying have been military, assigned to help achieve a mission goal that is being sabotaged by incompetence and covered up by the woman. It is a false mission, and the woman is trying to keep up appearances, while telling everyone else what to do. The reason she leaves, in addition to the final situation, is that she knows that the only two people she can manipulate are the pilot and the drunk. If she wanted cooperation, she would have cooperated. She refused to cooperate, therefore what she really wanted was control.Rhodes is the only character with legitimate authority. A fact that the scientists, and the woman especially, have forgotten. They could leave, as they finally do, after destroying everything, but the woman refuses to follow, and must lead to do anything. Rhodes, being concerned for his men, puts the general order above the life of the woman, or the mission outcome, especially once it becomes clear that the mission is a failure, and a deliberate fraud. The tragedy of Rhodes is that he didn't discover the truth 24 hours earlier, and execute the scientists for treason. If he had, the rest might have all survived. However, as the woman knew more dirt than anyone, she could hardly have escaped punishment unless she remained a prisoner.
>>218654386movie was fucked and cobbled together from a supposedly great scriptmy biggest issue is the weird cut at the end, i can't help but think something went wrong there
>>218661940So you admit defeat, eh. So long lady. Go clean your panties out, you big woman!
>>218662148Romero wanted to do an x rated film, and the producer cut his budget from 7 down to 3 million. Supposedly the 2008 version was based on the original script, but i haven't found a copy of that original for comparison.
>>218662115You should understand the post you're replying to.>He has strong points like being kept in the dark and losing men but having legitimate points isn’t a magic wand for doing whatever the fuck you wantIn this context, as I explained, it is. The other options had already been exhausted. At this point, the soldiers don't even see the validity of the project anymore, and still, Rhodes is willing to work with the scientists, giving them another chance to show them why the project should continue. You paint Rhodes like he's just mad with power and ego tripping. Rhodes does not care about the scientists one way or the other. He's not there to rule over them and bully them around. He's happy to leave, but as a favor to the scientists and as one last attempt to obey orders from a central command that likely doesn't exist anymore, he gives them another chance. In doing so, he dooms his squad. Him not being harsh enough is why he ended up getting killed. Being nicer about things was not an option; that's why Major Cooper died. He needed to be more hardcore and drop the project from the start, taking the helicopter and all practical members with them.
CHOKE ON 'EM
>>218662115He isn't doing whatever he wants, he's investigating the legitimacy of the mission and whether of not the battle winnable. He is being lied to and undermined by the woman and frankenstein. When he orders the woman shot, if he had of just let the situation pass instead, because it upsets your delicate sensibilities for a woman to be held accountable, none of the other men would follow orders. Then they wouldn't go help wrangle ghouls, then they'd start murdering eachother, and then finally, the precious woman, if she survived would find herself getting kept to be assaulted as a sex slave, because that's what everyone had in the back of their minds. Then the food would run out, and the generators would fail for lack of maintenance, and everybody would wind up starving til they turned to cannibalism, because they'd have a total breakdown of order. The only thing keeping that from happening was Rhodes. He was the only officer left, all the civilians were worthless cowards and traitors, and all the soldiers are buck privates. The only person who could understand the stakes was Rhodes, and even then he tried to circle around one last time and reestablish the legitimacy of the mission, and what he got was lies and mutiny in a military operation while surrounded and cut off in a war zone.The person doing 'whatever the fuck they want' is the woman. >she has them land>she hangs around>she goes up on the barricade>she orders steel around>she drugs her boyfriend>she covers for frankenstein>she lies to her commanding officer>she gets people killed>she contemplates dessertion>she contemplates theft of army property>she engages in closed door mutiny>she engages in open mutiny>she risks an outbreak to save the gay guy>she covers up for mission failures>she sews discord in the ranks>she is a traitor
They're basically just shitting their pants because they know the whole world is fucked and going stir-crazy being trapped in their depressing bunker and running low on supplies.
>>218658603Nice contribution, dickhead.
Not remotely a normie, but some aspects make me uncomfortable with the stakes.I don't think holding lofe hostage without traditionally informed consent is responsible.
>>218655280>They must have food. They never talk about a lack of food, and one would assume they have MREs and a mountain of powdered eggs laying around.Archons love depriving their subjects of food.Once their dominion reaches a certain boiling point, intents for revolt will favor the demon at the expense of the host(s?)
>>218655706>The woman is the villain.False. She requires a compatible environment.Villains are for movies.
>>218655706>acts like she's in charge the whole timeShe needed to hear this like a decade ago, but>Nobody's in charge
You need professional help brother.
>>218659506Sounds like Raven Rock. Still a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Rock_Mountain_Complex
>>218654386I remember when we had a Rhodes general or something. That was really fun
The show is presently efol
I want my dreams back.
>>218659560They started off with regular contact with Washington DC and full government support on a program to give humanity an iota of hope but after over a year (according to the "DEAD WALK" newspaper) of spinning their wheels in some bunker and not talking to another living soul despite probably dozens of scouting trips that ended up like that overrun town center, they're starting to realize how much worse things have gotten since they hunkered down and how much of a worthless charade their research and uniforms are. They're coming to conclusions that have been fermenting in the back of their minds for quite a while that the characters of Dawn at least had the privilege of confronting and adjusting to almost day 1.
