These are both the definitive Superman. Cavill's Superman is his own Superman with his own theme. All the other live action Supermen fall under Reeve's Superman.
>>218659497This is true. Cavill is the only true Bronze Age depiction.
>>218659497>Bronze AgeThat doesn't mean what you think it means
>>218663036It means precisely what I think it means. His first movie is literally named for Byrne’s post-Crisis revamp of the character. I’d even go so far as to say that the story arc Snyder, et al., were pulling from was Legends with other major DC events inserted into it like an accordion story.
>>218663131>His first movie is literally named for Byrne’s post-Crisis revamp of the characterNo, it's called that because Superman has been called the "Man of Steel" since the 1940s and they were copying the naming conventions of Nolan's "The Dark Knight", which had at that point been their only popular film in decades.MoS is CLEARLY inspired by the nu52, like all DC media of the 2010s.
>>218663214Not denying that there’s elements of both, but what would you consider nu52 if not Bronze Age - modern? They were calling the post-Crisis stuff Bronze Age while it *was* modern. Also, even in its butchered form, the first Suicide Squad we got was their part in the Legends story with the Enchantress filling the role of Brimstone, right down to having a “heart” they had to destroy.
>>218663316New 52 is late modern age, certainly not bronze. It was only a few years before the current Rebirth/Internet Pandering age that would have its own name by now if anyone was still paying attention to this stuff.Admittedly it's kind of inaccurate on my part to say MoS was inspired by the new 52 because it's honestly more like the other way around. They revamped the entire DC continuity essentially to make it more streamlined and easier to adapt, which is how a lot of idiotic ideas got through. For example:>Barry Allen's revamped "origin" where his mother is killed by Thawne>Cyborg getting his powers from being fused with a Mother Box (and honestly his inclusion on the JL at all)>Joker cutting his own face off and then stapling it back on>Virtually all legacy characters being sidelined or revamped into unrecognizable versions of themselvesThis was all in service of creating a cinematic universe to rival what Marvel was doing at the time, as they knew what was ahead even then. DC wanted to create total synergy across all forms of media, unlike Marvel who had to pull a bunch of last-minute maneuvers to turn 616 into a pseudo-MCU. It's very likely that pic related was the original plot DC was going to use for their Justice League movie, but for a variety of factors that film ended up becoming what we ultimately got. I find it extremely ironic that Snyderbros hold up his movies as examples of "soul" and "the director's own original vision" considering what the original plan for the DCEU was going to be.
>>218663214>MoS is CLEARLY inspired by the nu52, like all DC media of the 2010s.And like anything ne%2 it bombed, everyone hated it and it was rebooted as soon as possible>>218659497Man of Shit will never be considered 'Superman'
>le grimdark hero of 2000sI don't like injustice superman variantsPeople are already shitty in real life. I don't like fictional heroes being shitty as well
>>218663811>like anything new52 it bombed, everyone hated it and it was rebooted as soon as possibleThe Arrowverse was around for over 10 years. It was even well-liked on 4chan, if only at the beginning.
>>218659497Cavill didn't even have the iconic red tights. That disqualifies him from being a great Superman.
>>218663931It took the visionary genius of Brian Michael Bendis to finally right that historic wrong.
>>218663931Cavill hated being murderman. He always wanted to be the actual Superman.Snyder ruined his career, since playing a nice guy superhero would be the only role fitting for him
>>218663958Its took Action Comics hitting 1000. Everyone and the bear knows people didn't want the janitor costume on such a landmark issue.
>>218659497Both were about finding hope in a world sometimes devoid of it. Man of Steel is especially poignant in a post-9/11 world. Then there's the pedophile movie that r*dditors love. (I wonder why)
>>218663811Good morning saar. Even did the needful with AI, yes!
>>218659497>Reeves, Lois & Clark supes, 2006 supes, Arrowverse supes, corensupesA dorky guy that happens to have superpowers but is genuinely a good person that wants to help people. Likes goofing around and corny jokes but locks in when the situation gets serious. Loves to banter with Lois.>CavillsupesAn alien that feels no attachment to humanity other than his adoptive parents. Has no ill feelings towards humans but secretly sees them as amusing little animals that need his help so he might as well. Feels a little bummed when a courtroom full of people explodes around him but quickly gets over it. Has no situational awareness when his fight with other metas causes buildings to crash into each other. Zero chemistry with his love interest.Sounds about right
>>218664491nobody liked Man off Shit and its manchild protagonist>>218664491>(I wonder why)Because despite all its flaws it's at least better than snydershit and a breath of fresh air after more than a decade of humiliation rituals for DC
>>218659497>Lenely snydertard is crying againkekyour movies flopped 13 years ago, gaymove on
Serious question: what do people like so much about Cavill's Superman? I mean as an actual character, not just because you're a snyder cultist. The guy has no personality, no charisma, no sense of humor, no evident flaws, no opinions, he barely reacts to anything. He's perfect casting lookswise but other than pretty face and muscles he's got nothing.
>>218664913All he has is aura and “potential”
>>218664913I have no idea what a Snyder Cultist response looks like but if you're being serious you deserve at least one serious answer. I like Cavillman because he's trying to decide what he is and it isn't a simple answer. It would be a struggle if Superman wasn't just a walking cloud of positivity. People make fun of the way he screams after killing Zod. But look at the context around that. He's just killed off the last remnants of his species and now he's the sole survivor. That's a heavy burden and it's earned throughout the movie of him feeling like an outsider and being treated like one. So yeah as cool and tidy as it would've been to lock Zod up, thematically it fit better esoecially with Lois coming to him to let him know he's not alone. BvS is less about knowing whether he fits in as an earthling and more about whether he should toss aside the human part of him in favour of the god who answers to no one. It's not until he realises that people around him can get hurt that he steps back and has the moment of clarity. He can't shut off that part of him that cares. In his mind it was either go full balls to the wall dictator or ignore the problems of the world so he can have those human moments. It works in this movie because its a complete clash with Batman who had gone down that path and who had become that borderline dictator (just without the power obviously). All of this journey comes to a head by the time we get to ZSJL and you can even hear Jon (obviously the human part of Superman) and Jor-El both talking giving Superman the advice that makes him who he is. So TL;DR why do I like Cavill's Superman? I like that he isn't perfect. And by the way this isn't even my favourite interpretation of him but I figured I'd give you a chance
>>218666364Good answer. If I were to put it in my own words, I’d say what makes him compelling to me is that he’s a man with the power of a god but still has very human doubts.
>>218659497a year ago there a was new Superman movie, it was so fucking bad i honestly dont remember even 1 good scene from the whole damn movie. it has to be the least re-watchable movie ever made. fuck, i dont even remember what the movie was about.
>>218664649the TV show was surprisingly fun to watch.
>>218666620I hate to say it because I know what it sounds like but these scenes that people make fun of>maybe...>save... martha>Granny's Peach Peethere really is more to them than what people give credit for. Maybe not a lot maybe not enough. But at the end of the day you can either watch these movies as a couple costumed faggots punching each other or try to look pass that and see the portrait being painted. I think the only scene I've ever had a real problem defending is the Jon Kent death scene. That one still doesn't make sense. Then again I guess Jon, Jor, and Clark all sacrificing themselves was part of Snyder's retarded plan
>>218666891I need more people to watch this show if only to stop the retarded Gunn/Snyder fightinghttps://youtu.be/c3un-yxE1-4
>>218666920>There are people that will look you in the eye and say Lex's speech was better than that top pic. >in reality they are the same quality of shit
>>218666953nobody is actually fighting, its just bots. not even 1 person has rewatched 2025 Superman even once, its the least re-watchable movie ever made.
>>218667015I have rewatched it a couple of times after the Justice Gang cameo in Peacemaker s2. Hawkgirl is cute
>>218666953I genuinely enjoyed this show, warts and all.
>>218666920>Snyder butchered Pa Kent>Gunn butchered Jor-ElThe difference is that nobody gives a shit about Jor-El so interpreting him as pseudo viltrumite is more forgivable and easier to move on from.Ruining Jonathan Kent is way worse. Snyder doesn't get that the Kents teaching Clark their do-gooder midwestern christian values is exactly what prevented him from turning into Homelander. Jonathan is not this paranoid grumpy old man afraid that the government will take Clark away and experiment on him if he uses his powers in public for a second. He's a naive farmer that thinks if you are able to help someone, you should always help them.>save MarthaI could go into a rant about how Snyder fucked up Batman the moment he decided to kill Dick Grayson offscreen and give us the insufferable Dark Knight Returns batman that doesn't have a batfamily to ground him. I have no idea what Zach was going for with the Martha line but it still makes no sense. Snyder refused to give Bruce any of the multiple robins but his plan was to have Batman suddenly develop a fatherly instinct by putting a baby in Lois? FUCK YOU and fuck your oc fanfiction Zach. Also fun fact you get banned from the snyderverse subreddit just for mentioning Nightwing.>peach teaI'm just saying, this role killed Eisenberg's career.
>>218664913They are homosexuals. If Cavill starred in the new Superman movies they would defend it, especially if he was kissing men
>>218666364>>218666620>>218666920So you just like a movie you mane in your head that has nothing to do with what happen on screen.
>>218667015same with snydershit. Everyone hated that crap
>>218667015I rewatched it. Once I took my mother and I didn't like it. Next I took out some friends (4 of us in total). I paid each time. I feel like I'm part of the problem because I hated that fucking movie.
>>218668160There are at least two people that have come out in it's defense ITT. >>218668048It's all in the film anon.
>>218667573>Pa Kent/Jor ElI don't think thats true and if it is one of the good decisions Snyder made was to make Jor-El an actual character. Both father figures teach Superman what it means to sacrifice something for the greater good. I wouldn't say Snyder missed the mark on that but the WAY Pa Kent dies is very off-putting. Especially considering Ma Kent has a new dog in the next scene. There are a lot of choices that were rightfully left on the cutting room floor. That shit about Batman impregnating Lois was because Snyder was going way to far with his knights of the round table theme (e.g. Superman=King Arthur Batman=Lancelot). Some things would've been cool. Like that Warrior Wonder Woman. But once Patty Jenkins got control it was over. I just really disagree with that Jor-El take. It's one of the many reasons Superman Legacy was a shitty Superman movie
Threadly reminder that Angry Joe not only cried real gravy tears at the trailer but he also reviewed Gunnman 2 times. The first time he gave it a 6/10. At that point a lot of other big reviewers including ones that don't typically review Capeshit such as RedLetterMedia came out giving much higher praiseJoe then gave another review and this time he gave the movie an 8.5/10. But thats not enough. 3 weeks later once the dust had settled and everyone started calling Joe out on his BS he would make a video shilling his favourite Superman books in the most desperate "guys I'm a real fan see?! See??" look ever. You can see in real time the absolute shilling and social pressuring around that terrible movie. If Joe had simply stuck to his gut maybe it would've been fine. But its so blatantly a bad movie that once it hit streaming NOBODY was left defending it. The only argument you'll ever hear is "well at least it's not Snyder" or "if you hate it you must be a Snydershill".
>>218659497Dont compare Based Reeves with Cavill edgy garbage.
>>218659497>These are both the definitive SupermanNope, only Donner. Keep your Manslaughter of Steel and his DEI universe and go back to Rebel Moon.
>>218669893Snyder's Jor El wasn't a character he was a exposition device and Russell Crowe was horribly miscast. He also phoned it in for a quick paycheck but it's Crowe so that's expected.The only well written character in MoS/BvS is Alfred.
>>218670636 meant for >>218669629
>>218663214>MoS is CLEARLY inspired by the nu52Except for the fact that the entire movie isn't at all. Not even the suit. Not even the sequel.Why is this redditor coping so much?
>>218666953Doesn't he have gay sons? lmao. Fuck off faggot.
>>218671080KonTim and JonDami aren't canon (unfortunately)
why did Gunn shoot this like a mid-2000's PSA?
>>218671080No. That gay shit happened mid production and by the time it got to CW they had established both sons were straight. Trust me. I'm not one of these ragebaiting terminally online anons. I actually promote good shows. Season 1 is A- tier. Season 2 is a C or high D. Season 3 is S++. While the final season is A tier. It's a great show.
>>218664649the guy just doesn't look like superman to me. He looks more like Rami Malek's buffed up cousin
>>218666364based anon
>>218666920the martha meme was so forced. It was ignorance of the obvious, plain and simple. Everyone just shoved it off as "they have the same mother's name lol!" instead of Batman finally making the blunt connection that Superman is just as human as he is. This is why in the Gunn film he had Superman just blatantly state how hurt his feelings were to Lex, cause the audience has proven to be intentionally dense in the past.
>>218667573>give us the insufferable Dark Knight Returns batman that doesn't have a batfamily to ground himGood point on Grayson's death being a mistake, but the "batfamily" aside from Grayson and Alfred are all mistakes. Unless we're adapting Under the Red Hood and Jason comes back as a FULL ON villain, I don't wanna hear about "muh batfamily". Maybe Barbara WHOREdon as Oracle if I'm feeling horny, we'll see
>>218671601what gay shit?
>>218667721Just to clarify, I meant "they" as in hollywood jews. Also I'm trans btw
>>218659497another stealth gay for cavill threadyou homos just go to lgtb
>>218669629You know what I always thought would have been kind of cool? Let’s just go with that Lancelot/Guinevere thing for a moment and say that Lois *did* have a child by Bruce Wayne. What if the plan was to show that their *entirely* human son still “somehow” inherited Superman’s powers? I think that was the point that Snyder was working toward - that ultimately it’s mankind’s belief that raises up heroes and gods.
>>218671601It really is.
>>218663214Elements from New 52 (mostly the suit only), but Snyder and the production team mentioned they clearly took inspirations from John Byrne, that was their main source material, like Krypton, Zod's death, Superman more stoic, etc
>>218670636>Russell Crowe was horribly miscast.Hard disagree, he was by far the best Jor-El, even his literal exposition device version.
>>218671832A lot of scenes are directly lifted from Man of Steel in the new Superman movie but dumbed way the hell down. Like the most egregious example is the Pa Kent scene that everyone seems to love. For all the shit people give the "Maybe.." line its funny how the same conversation happens in the Gunn movie but incredibly more binary>Earth dad should I kill all the men and rape all the women like my space father wanted?>well son "Parents aren't for telling you want to do. We just give you the tools and let you make fools of yourselves. But I know this. I've never been more proud of you"This is Man of Steel>Earth dad should I save people if I'm the only one who can help them even if it may expose this life we've built for me?>maybe>can't I just keep pretending to be your son?>you ARE my son!Its the same scene. "Maybe" was never "Yeah let people die." "Maybe" was always "I don't have the answers and I don't want to lose you". Say what you will at least Man of Steel didn't hand hold it's audience. To it's detriment.
>>218671966The comics would have Superman's son come out as gay (despite the character only having been around for 8 years and only been a 9 year old). During this change Superman and Lois was being made. The actor who was playing the boy from the comics quit because he didn't sign up for any gay shit. Ultimately they decided not to pull the homo trigger. So the show deviates from the comic in that way.
>>218672180Yeah and Jor-El is basically Merlin. See my interest in that begins there and ends with comparing each member of the Justice League to Knights of the Round Table. I was never going to be okay with Batman cucking Superman. That's deranged. They probably would've gone full retard and called the baby Damien. It's why as glad as I am that Gunn is being put out I don't want Snyder back. I think there was another script that had Batman raping Harley Quinn? Yeah no. Fuck Snyder. For every idea that I like it's not worth the few bad ideas that are incredibly insane
If we’re cutting through the noise, Gunn’s Superman fails not because of politics or “muh tone,” but because it’s hollow slop masquerading as sincerity. It pretends to have heart but never earns it. The story is overstuffed with side characters (played by Gunn's personal friends as always) & half-baked subplots, yet somehow still feels small. Nothing lingers. Scenes jump from quippy banter to melodrama to slapstick like it’s terrified of silence, terrified of letting a moment breathe.The characters are rough sketched outlines, not sculpted. Clark smiles a lot, but there’s no weight to anything he does. Lois is reduced to soundbites, Lex barely registers as a threat & is clearly either misdirected or miscast.Superman himself feels like a mascot more than a character. The film tells you he’s hopeful instead of showing you why he should be. It’s surface level forced charm designed to hit a four quadrant checkbox.The action is forgettable & shot in a horrible wide lens throughout.You never feel scale or consequence just blue tinted noise that looks like a Superbowl Car Ad.Gunn clearly wanted Donner’s warmth, but without Donner’s patience or restraint. He wanted to ape some of Snyder’s grandeur but stripped it of all danger & weight. What you’re left with is something weightless desperate to be liked & worst of all desperate to be safe.Say what you want about Man of Steel at least it felt like something. It had mythic ambition, It respected the idea of Superman as a figure larger than the frameDonner for all the camp, understood awe "YOU WILL BELIEVE A MAN CAN FLY" (hell even Richard Lester to a far lesser extent understood this) .Gunn’s take? It’s a theme park version of Superman.Is it the worst movie ever made? No, but it’s a nothing movie.All smiles, no soul.Worse than Donner because it lacks his sincerity,Worse than Snyder because it lacks his conviction.It’s just there & in many ways that's the biggest failure a movie can ever be....
>>218672180that makes zero sense and directly contradicts canon of how metahumans work
>>218673424Corensupes never even entertained the thought of conquering earth and making a harem, you don't understand the character at all. He was conflicted between getting involved in geopolitics by saving Jarhanpur people from genocide, which would be seen as him taking sides in a human military conflict, or if he should stay out of it and keep his head down while the rest of the world suddenly hates him. This ties directly with Lois berating him for it at the beginning. His dad basically says he doesn't have answers to a complex question like that but Clark should do what he feels is right. Pa doesn't need to say "you'll always be my son no matter what" because it's already implied from their interactions. Nice proving you didn't see the movie and just read memes about it
>>218659497I like Sneeder's Superman and it's actually my favorite because I'm a cynical miserable cunt and the dark atmosphere in his movies is really intriguing to me.But I think it's a bad Superman, same for the worldSuperman should inspire Hope, Sneeder's universe is dark and gritty and hopeless and his personal experience and tragic events in his life impacted the movies.It's my favorite but it's a bad SupermanThere's no contrast between hope and despair Everything is bleak.
>>218675203I want to add the most is genuinely 10/10 to meWhat are you going to do when you're not saving the world soundtrack gives me chills to this day
>>218675253*OST
>>218673881Amazing. You're wrong about literally everything.People loved this Clark. They loved the side characters. They thought the jokes were funny. They liked that Lois had agency and that she was proactive to the plot. They liked the colors. They liked the dog. They liked the fisheye shot of Hawkgirl screeching her warcry. The VFX have been analyzed by people in the field and they're amazed by the technical aspects and the attention to detail. Hoult's performance has been praised and they're calling him the second best Lex ever after Rosenbaum. Zoomers were posting in tiktok how the movie inspired them to be better people. My boomer mother that hates superhero movies had a great time watching it in theaters.Tl;dr if you spend so much energy being a contrarian you're going to give yourself an ulcer
>>218673886That’s just it. I think they were working on making mankind the source of magic and metahumans. I think that’s why the “myth” and urban legend aspects of the Batman are played up in BvS. I think it’s saying that part of what makes Bruce Wayne the Batman is the combination of fear and hope he inspires in the people of Gotham. I genuinely believe that worship and belief were going to play a role in the whole “Metahuman Thesis” bit.
>>218675453If that were true, that movie would have made money
>>218675203I feel the same way about the Nolan trilogy. They're good movies but they're not good Batman movies.
The Snyder cult really can't let go, can they?
>>218675453>They liked the colorsThe washed out and de-saturared ones?
>>218674263No. I'm right. Motherfucker goes into an existential crisis over the fact that he was sent to earth for an entirely different purpose than what he thought. At that point the Boravia conflict wasn't on his mibd. As far as he was concerned he'd done his part by holding the general against a cactus. The scene is exactly as I described. And its a dumbed down version of the Snyder scene.
>>218678025the scene doesn't spell out what's on ckarks mind in that moment, you're supposed to infer that from every compounding conflict that's happened in the movie until that point. clark is processing a lot of shit in that scene not just the message from jor-el. he's rethinking every conversation he's had the last few days, lois, lex, the fortress robots, the random civilians, guy gardner, metamorpho. sorry you have the memory of a goldfish.
>>218675453>>218675453>People loved this Clark. All three scenes of him? The scene where he's didmissive to his parents. The scene where he's meltingdiwn at Lois in an Interview and the one where he asks Pa Kent if he should start a harem. Great. >They loved the side characters.They like the blue dude from Guardians of the Galaxy so much that they wrote him into this movie. I'm told Nathan Fillon is a good actor but I don't know him so his Lantern was just kind of a damp sock. And Krypto was annoying. > They thought the jokes were funny. I didn't hear a single chickle in my theatre either time I saw it. >They liked that Lois had agency and that she was proactive to the plot.Sorry when? Was it when she was searching for all of the people Luthor had kidnapped in his black hole? Or when Jimmy literally texts her the solution? Because the former never happened and the latter is not worth acknowledging. > They liked the colors. What the fuck does that even mean? Did the colors distract from the dogshit story?>They liked the dog. They like dogs. There is no seperation between a real dog and Krypto in this movie. Just goes to show if your audience is getting bored literally dropping a puppy in their laps will distract then. > They liked the fisheye shot of Hawkgirl screeching her warcry.Joking surely? Yoh may as well say they love the 1A clip they tried to force for a week. That Hawkgirl clip is spammed the same way the Joker Rape is. With tons of irony and malicious intent.
>>218678406It does spell it out. If it didn't I wouldn't be coming to these conclusions. Go ahead and post the scene. We can break it down together if you want.
>>218678767Must be sad to lack any capacity to enjoy things. Bless your heart
>>218664536Well, it had an Indian save Superman, so I guess that's why they loved it.Unfortunately, rupees don't have the same value as dollars.
>>218659497Cavill's Superman doesn't sit well with me. Don't really know why. Maybe just because I grew up with Reeves. I also like Tom Welling in the series.
