no

>>218665615
>god emperor of dune
>entire book is basically a conversation between two characters
i'd like to see it, but moviegoers would reject it.

>>218665645
They'll just include a bunch of random pointless battle scenes to entertain the dumb normie masses like they're doing for Dune 3 (Messiah also being a slow as fuck book with zero action and basically just full of philosophy and introspection). The recent trailer confirmed that beyond a doubt.

It'd be a different director, which hopefully means it'd be a different actor for Duncan. I don't think I can stomach 2.5 hours of Momoa barking.

>>218665665
Meant to reply to >>218665645

From what I can tell from the trailer, Dune 3 isn't being made either

>>218665665
>like they're doing for Dune 3
it's been a while since i've read dune messiah but i was pretty sure there wasn't any battle going on.
thanks for confirming it.

>>218665615
god that looks so dumb

>>218665808
true, Leto should be much much bigger.

>>218665615
>Look Ma, I’m a worm!

>>218665783
I read Messiah about 6 months ago and it was a pretty fucking tough read because it was so eye-wateringly slow and uneventful. It's basically like 250 pages of Paul being depressed and morose inside his shadowy palace, zombie Duncan flirting with underrage Alia, long unending paragraphs about existentialism, fate/destiny, religion, and cultural changes; and confusing schemes made by weirdos that all fail. There are no battles, not even any duels. There's literally only two on-page/screen deaths. Huge planet-shifting events are distant and only mentioned in passing and even the main characters don't give a shit about their holy war.
Herbert had absolutely zerro interest in making a traditional sci-fi/space-opera type story and seems contemptous of it, going out of his way to not include anything exciting or thrilling (with a couple of exceptions at the end). It's one of the hardest reads of my life, and I say that as someone that has no problem reading 1,000+ tomes from classical authors.
But it's also brilliant specifically because it doesn't give a fuck about sci-fi/sequel conventions and goes out of its way to be weird and unusual and deconstruct tropes and the usual cliches, but unlike modern subversions it does it intelligently and with purpose. It has a lot more to say with its themes than the first book does.
But all of that has obviously been thrown out the window with Dune 3 and Villenueve has, as I expected, dumbed it way the fuck down to appeal to the normies. If this was the same filmmaker from 15 years ago, the one that made Incendies and Enemy (both of which are closer in tone and spirit to Messiah), he would not have done this. THAT man would have understood and repected Messiah. Not current-day Villeneuve.

>>218665910
>there's a lot of action in the trailer
it doesn't necessarily mean that the movie will be action heavy.
an opening scene like lotr would be enough to cram most of the action sequences that happen in the time gap.

>>218665615
>START DOING THIS

>>218665910
lol if you think Messiah is slow wait until you get to the worm book

>>218667017
I stopped 20% of the wayw into Children because I got bored. I didn't like any of the characters. I loved Paul so much and missed him too much.

>>218667035
paul does appear in children of dune.

Perhaps, but not by Based Benis.

>>218665910
>Oh man a dune book is boring and shittily written
That's the whole series

>>218665910
Messiah was Herbert coping that people actually liked and sympathized with Paul. I've always thought this was funny seeing as how Dune is a very by the numbers hero's journey with a bit more agonizing over the morality of being a created figurehead. He still kills the evil bad guy, gains great power and married the space princess to become king of the universe.

>>218667313
paul's conclusion in messiah was perfect for him tho thats how his character should've ended him still being there in children of dune just ruined it for me even tho i still liked it and god emperor

>>218667165
Yes I know he's the old blind preacher, obviously, but he is not a focus of that book
>218667313
Yeah I'm not sure what Herbert expected. He simply wrote Paul to be too likeable and competent and honourable. Even in Messiah, which is meant to "desconstruct" the heroe's journey and make him look bad, he is still the most sympathetic character by far (not saying much since everyone is an absolute soulless piece of shit) and it's implied and outright stated that if it wasn't for him the jihad would be even worse. I don't see why he is so evil. He did not want the jihad to spread beyond Arakkis and even if he tried to stop that, he'd have been killed and replaced by a more fanatical zealot that would hve done it. That's the single reason why he doesn't just off himself in Messiah, as he thinks about at one point.

>>218667395
Meant to reply to >>218667313
fucked up again bc i'm drunk

>omg the heckin wacky God-Emperor of Dune I heard about in my favorite video essay! It's just like le reddithammer o algo
Real ones know books five and six are the best because they have the most action and aren't bogged down by immortal demigod protagonists that already know the future. Total powindah death.

>>218665615
what's the lore behind these weird half human creatures in that universe? the big bad guy from the 1st and 2nd movie was really off putting, how did that species came to be? genetic manipulation? or just unexplained alien magic ?

>>218665615
Dennis said he would let Zack Snyder direct Dune 4.

>>218667432
its spice
spice actually causes physical changes in your body this is for the spacing guild
and as for baron harkonnen just basically think of him as those fat humans from wall-e like he's basically been on floating suspenders his entire life and has never walked a step his life hes just a grotesque fat fuck like those people on my 600lb life

>>218667490
>spice actually causes physical changes in your body
i don't remember that part...
keeps you young and gives you psychic powers? yes.

>>218667490
yeah but he's also like a snake, that happened naturally? he wasn't born like that ?

>>218667432
It's not a species, it's the result of leto letting a bunch of sand trout attach themselves to him so he could use them like biological power armor and after a couple thousand years they grew around him and he became a sandworm. Hypothetically anyone with the right genetic makeup (like Paul or Ghanima or Miles) could do the same thing but Leto was the only one.

>>218667513
>keeps you young and gives you psychic powers?
thats for normal people who just normally consume spice like paul and the fremen
the spacing guild actually submerges people into spice to help them navigate the spaceships

>>218667524
it's just for dramatic effect. he's fat and has some gadgets.
he's not quite dead yet btw, he has a big role to play in children of dune.

>>218665645
This kind of experimental bottle-style movie could be really well received. It makes me think of monologues like the Free Churro episode of Bojack, or bottle episodes of sitcoms. When they're executed well, they're some of the best of their class.

>>218667550
Yes but that's a single episode of a TV series, not the focus of a huge Hollywood blockbuster.
No studio would go near a God Emperor adaptation with a ten foot pole.

>>218667543
what are you talking about bro barron is dead he barely has a role in children its just in alia's head

>>218667582
>its just in alia's head
he's pretty much single handedly responsible for alia's corruption and <spoiler>suicide</spoiler>

>>218667567
You are absolutely not wrong. But like that other anon, I can really see a path to an excellent adaptation if a studio ever had the balls. I'd like to see it, but the normies decide what gets made.

>>218667685
WAHLTAH...

>tfw the major internal conflict in Messiah cannot happen because villenueve decided to make chani a bitchy "indepenedent" girlboss instead of a supportive and loving partner
What a fucking horrible decision that was. Part II was such a shit adaptation compared to Part I (basically a near-perfect one imo).
Like, the whole point of Paul [SPOILER!!!] giving up his empire and responsibilities and power is because he loves Chani so much because of all the time they spent together over the 12 year time jump, but in Part III they'll basically still have barely spent any time together since she ran off at the end of Part II.
Fucking dumb.

>>218667313
>He still kills the evil bad guy

>>218667685
The glubglogabgalab. The schablledabblewibblewabbleshlibbashlubbablub.

>>218665808
so do your marvel movies sanjeev

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>>218667657
there's plenty of great 1 room movies, but most people aren't into that.

>>218668334
Haven't seen this but I've heard of it and that is an insanely stacked cast so I might have to check it out

>>218665615
MONEO! REDUCE THE BENE JESSERITS SPICE ALOTMENT FOR THIS QUARTER BY 70%!

My lord...

>>218665615
In better times, Dune would have made for a fantastic HBO series, same for The Dark Tower and World War Z.

Sam Jackson as Malky

>>218665645
they wouldnt adapt it 1:1 they would rework it so the plot points are hit but in a traditional narrative and more show less tell

>>218665665
Yeah but quite frequently Frank Herbert omitted actual action scenes in favor of just saying it had happened. They have a chance to actually show fighting from the Jihad which would be sick.

>>218667035
And CoD was the most exciting of any of them.

>>218668739
Sure but what's the point? Beyond just amusing short attention span viewers, what's the point?
It has absolutely zero relevance on the story of Messiah/Part III which is all about political schemes to overthrow Paul, and Paul's dilemma about whether to give up his empire.
The battles in Part II were relevant to the main story. Here they are not. Dune was never meant to be an action/war story, unlike something like Star Wars.
I dunno maybe I sound like a nitpicky asshole. I'm just not as easily entertained by action as I used to be. Messiah is such a fascinating and unique and weird story in its own ways that are far beyond basic action.

>>218668809
>what’s the point
It’s not a book, it’s film. Exposition is inferior to it being illustrated here. Understanding the Jihad and its impact can be explained with a single sentence or visually with emotion. At the end of the day this is adapting from one medium to another and it has to be created differently to arrive at similar conclusions.

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>>218665615
In a stunning move of marketing genius from Tarantino it's being released before DUNC3.

>>218667490
>he's basically been on floating suspenders his entire life and has never walked a step his life hes just a grotesque fat fuck like those people on my 600lb life
He was a fierce warrior and shredded until that old witch cursed him. I do not know her name, the mother of Jessica. As they forced the homosexual Baron to fuck her and she became pregnant with Jessica.

>>218668934
>showing the jihad
it's unnecessary, but i'm sure there'll be a few short scenes and throwaway cuts like there was in the first couple of movies.
the focus of dune was never on the action scenes. go read something from like sanderson if you want epic battles.

>>218668972
I agree, I just feel it works better to explain it by showing it, even briefly, before getting into the meat of the story.

>>218665645
I mean movies with exactly that concept win oscars literally every year because they're about the stunning and brave struggles of a terrible housewife.

The problem is that there's no point crafting this bizarre science fantasy setting with genetic superpowers and lesbian ninjas if all you're going to do with it is have the Slurm Queen explain why soldiers are gay for 2 hours.

>>218668984
Yeah I mean if it's just limited to a montage of the conquests of the fremen and then it cuts to an ice-cold imperial Paul walking up to sit on his throne I'll be fine with it. But I don't want them to regularly cut over to jihad battle scenes throughout the movie, that'd be fucking horrible. Messiah has a very specific tone/atmosphere that would be damaged by regularly intercutting to loud abrasive action.

>>218669021
From the trailer it seems like we're probably going to get 3 major ones

An intro battle montage to establish where we are chronologically and what has happened since the 2nd movie

A cut to an ocean world battle to contextualize the backstory of that one Fremen who betrays Paul because water is wet

And a 3rd, current battle somewhere just to establish that the fremen at large are war-weary and beginning to doubt Paul.

>>218665645
>entire book is basically a conversation between two characters
no it's not, it begins with a chase scene and the emperor gets attacked twice. I'm sick of people who never read the book pretending it's just hundreds of pages of the emperor ranting to moneo

>>218669246
i did read the book though.
yes it's pretty much just a conversation with a few interruptions and leto going full worm at the end.

>>218669244
>And a 3rd, current battle somewhere just to establish that the fremen at large are war-weary and beginning to doubt Paul.
Huh?
That's not the case at all. The opposite is true. The fremen want to continue endless wars of conquest to convert the whole universe to their religion, whereas Paul is sick of war but knows he can't stop the beast he unleashed.
Messiah is not in the slightest about a single evil leader that makes everyone do what he wants. It's actually the opposite - it's very much an anti-strong-man view of history and world events: Paul wants to change things but society and culture and religion is so much bigger than him and is out of his control.

>>218665645
Also Duncan fucking bitches and Leto II being cucked

>>218665645
you retards will buy anything that's marketed correctly (such as these Dunc movies)

>>218667395
You're just a retard.

>>218669550
Leto chose the path of being a volcel in order to save humanity.

>>218670683
Excellent counter-arguments, anon

>>218665615

When i read god emperor i pictured moneo as clarence claymore from the big lez show. I dont know why

>>218665615
>Me in my gooncocoon

>>218665665

Theyll include random battles from the fremen galactic jihad to have action for normies. And then the big blinding nuke and scytail and the midget trying to get paul and his kids.

I dunno wtf they're doing with allia. Time jump I guess and she's now 15 or something.

Its weird cause dunc 2 ended with chani hating paul and his white colonialism. Are they fully in love now?

>>218665645
>between two characters
Between Leto and a multitude of Duncans.
Also Duncan fucking bitches and nuns.

>>218665808
>>218667890
>Capeshit or Scaleshit

>>218671188
Re Alia, well obviously they have to age her up because most of her story in Messiah is her flirting with Duncan so yeah they ain't gonna have Jason Moama flirting with an 11 year old. It doesn't matter. I think Timothy said that the time jump is bigger than the book, here it's like 15-20 years, not 12. Makes sense.
Re Chani...... yeah I dunno what they're gonna do here. Villeneuve fucked up bad with how he wrote Chani in Part 2 because the entire point of Paul's story in Messiah is him being so in love with Chani after their 12 years together that he is willing to givbe up his empire for her, and her death removes any reason he has to keep on living. That just doesn't work if they've been estranged for 12-15 years. It just doesn't. They need to retcon that shit hard. Messiah's story doesn't work if Chani is an "independent" girlboss type woman rather than a supportive partner.

Even if you absolutely loved God Emperor, do you really want to watch a movie about it?
I've read technical books that were more exciting.

>>218671381
>Messiah's story doesn't work if Chani is an "independent" girlboss type woman rather than a supportive partner.
The born of the twins would easily justify their reconciliation.

>>218670883
I don't have to offer a counter-argument when you say the plot of Children of Dune doesn't has little to do with Paul.

>>218671381
None of the Dunc characters behave the way they're supposed to. Any comparisons with the novels are basically meaningless.

>>218671706
I said he is not a focus. I am correct.
Leto, Ghanima, Jessica and Alia are the focus.

>>218671777
Leto obviously, Alia maybe only as a foil. Jessica is very minor. Ghanima basically drops out of the plot as a character. literally amnesia

Not in Hollywood's climate.

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>>218671237
Scaleshit.

Children of Dune and onward would be better as an ongoing TV series. I can't possibly imagine formatting any of those books for a film.

>>218667395
Herbert's point is that even tho Paul is not evil himself, the institution of power and fanaticism he leads invariably leads to suffering. No matter the intentions of one leader, once such a machine is put into motion it leads to mass destruction and can no longer be stopped.