Old thread:>>218789578Dunk edition.
Hopefully they let him have longer hair for S02,
>Every. Single. One.>*shits himself*>*dies*
Bittersneed.
>>218841854>every single ASOIAF fan theory is now verified and canon>*dies*
>>218841824TAOOBA!
Cute family
My Queen
How the FUCK did an Ironborn become a knight?
My King.
>>218841900A thread is not complete without a TAOOBA!
>>218841852Peter a cute
>>218841970His maternal grandfather knighted him
Have you taken leave of your senses? This man insulted the janny.
>>218842351Yea but for what?
>>218842351Why was a greenlander married to a Harlaw in the first place? I don't remember how, was she a salt wife?
>>218841824Why do you keep posting this? Dunk's shield wouldn't look like that mess, that's so retarded. Even the sigil in the show is too detailed and realistic. It would be bright and simple like this so it can be easily recognized even from far away.
>>218842537as every true anon must
>>218842671There's no law nothing against marrying a greenlander just frown upon. It might be profitable getting an outside alliance for trade/resources since the Iron Islands have fuck all.
>>218842933Why would a greenlander marry a seanigger, though? It was willing?
>>218842627He's a good warrior.>>218842933This. Balon's dad third wife was also a greenlander from the Riverlands. It was probably a love match in the end.
>>218842778> kindergarden sigil
>Harmund II Hoare spent his youth as a ward of the Lannisters at Casterly Rock. Once King of the Iron Islands, Harmund married Lady Lelia, the daughter of the King of the Rock and the "fairest flower of the west". Their children were raised in the Faith of the Seven.>When Lelia's eldest son became king as Harmund III Hoare, he was opposed by many ironborn and the priests of the Drowned God for his opposition to reaving, salt wives, and thralls. A priest known as the Shrike led a quick and successful rebellion which crowned Harmund's younger brother, Hagon Hoare, who restored ironborn traditions. Harmund III and the Dowager Queen Lelia were both mutilated for having turned away from the Drowned God. Lelia's lips, ears, eyelids, and tongue were removed, after which she was sent by longship back to the Rock.>The then-King of the Rock, Lelia's outraged nephew, went to war against the ironborn. Hagon the Heartless was defeated by Ser Aubrey Crakehall in the seventh year of fighting. Before being hanged, he suffered the same mutilations which had been done to Lelia.Aegon should have nuked the Iron Islands.
What are the nicknames of>Aenys>Viserys I>Viserys II>Markar>Jaehaerys II
>>218843122>King Abomination >The Young King in canon, The Peaceful in HBO's fanfiction >No nickname. Sometimes dubbed "The Wise/Shrewd/The Hand" by fans.>The Anvil or the Kinslayer >No nickname. Sometimes dubbed "The Brief/Ill-King" by fans.
>>218843205>King AbominationI wonder what the faith would have done if aenys wed his children while the conqueror was still alive
>>218842976A military alliance I'd wager. The Ironborn might be retarded when it comes to most aspects of life but they are decent fighters. Marry off a greenlander daughter to an ironborn lord then have him sic his raiders on your rivals lands or call him for aid when things start to get dicey. If you made an alliance with one of the more reliable Ironborn houses like the Harlaws they might just show up when asked for aid.
Is it inappropriate for a bachelor knight to name a married woman queen of love and beauty?
>>218843431Depends on the context, if a single knight named the wife of the lord hosting the joust then it might be seen as a show of respect to the lord and the lady might even be flattered.If it's a random married lady then some rumors might start and depending on how level headed the husband is some trouble could be caused.
>>218843361Probably wouldn't do shit as Aegon would have resolved things without being too weak (Aenys) or violent (Maegor). Also doesn't make sense that Aegon and Rhaena weren't betrothed, but I guess it was for plot reasons.>>218843431I think it depends, Ser Ryam Redwyne named Queen Alysanne as Queen of Love and Beauty, or Aemon with Naerys - both it didn't cause anything, but alas, we know the shit Rhaegar caused by making Lyanna (fiancee to Robert) his QoLaB
....semoc eH
>>218843640>we know the shit Rhaegar caused by making Lyanna (fiancee to Robert) his QoLaBIt only turned into a shitshow after Rhaegar kidnapped her like a year later.
>>218843675The rebellion sure, but Rhaegar making her Queen did cause a scandal >Ned remembered the moment when all the smiles died, when Prince Rhaegar Targaryen urged his horse past his own wife, the Dornish princess Elia Martell, to lay the queen of beauty's laurel in Lyanna's lap.>Brandon Stark, the heir to Winterfell, had to be restrained from confronting Rhaegar at what he took as a slight upon his sister's honor, for Lyanna Stark had long been betrothed to Robert Baratheon, Lord of Storm's End. Eddard Stark, Brandon's younger brother and a close friend to Lord Robert, was calmer but no more pleased. As for Robert Baratheon himself, some say he laughed at the prince's gesture, claiming that Rhaegar had done no more than pay Lyanna her due...but those who knew him better say the young lord brooded on the insult, and that his heart hardened toward the Prince of Dragonstone from that day forth.
>>218843640I think there's an unspoken rule that the KGs could name anyone since they have already vowed to take no wife
>>218843834Redwyne wasn't kingsguard at that time, but yeah I guess it wouldn't cause any problem, Barry doesn't seems to think so when he recalls the Tourney of Harrenhal
>>218841824egg is icsh
>>218841824
>>218843640>>218843807>>218843507I agree. Naming someone "official" like the queen or the wife/daughter of the lord who's hosting the tourney qolab is probably ok and shows respect. If you do it to some random betrothed girl it probably shows your hitting on her though.A big part in Rhaegar's case was also that he rode past his own wife and gave it to someone else. That's a pretty big scandal in itself.
>>218840399Same. Already bought the tubing. No Dunk S2 for me.
>>218844535Must have been a very awkward carriage ride with Elia back to KL
>>218841852They're already shooting and he hasn't cut his hair.
>>218842778It wouldn't be a retarded fuckass banner either. It'd be like the one in the show. An actual painting. Kill yourself anytime, spastic.
Blaming Jaehaerys for the Dance is just as dumb as blaming Rickard Stark's southern ambition for the whole fiasco surrounding Robert's rebellion btw. Both made the most logical choices a lord in their position could have made and their ill consequences were something even the most schizophrenic doomers couldn't imagine.
>>218842778This is false and based on half baked understanding of how sigils worked.Dunk is not a noble lord with banners that need to be recognized from a distance.He's a knight whose personal coat of arms is meant to be seen from up close and personal.It's perfectly normal for it to be very detailed even if it's obscured at a distance.
>>218843507The Hound shocking Ned and all bystanders by naming Arya his queen!
>>218844721Jaehaerys fucked up when he messed with the succession due to his own sexism.By all legal rights due to Aemon being his firstborn son and heir, Rhaenys was the rightful claimant for the throne since she was his only child. Even Andal laws and traditions say a daughter comes before an uncle in matters of inheritance, but Jaehaerys didn't want people getting ideas about having women inherit due to his own status of having usurped his sister's right to the throne.Now some of it is understandable, he didn't want the Velaryon's taking over, but he really murked up the succession rights when he named his second son heir over her, then even more so when he decided to let the lords of Westeros choose who they'd prefer.
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I just found out that davidreadsasoiaf (toxoplasmosis ground zero) is a libkek What a shame, it's kind of ruining my read
>>218845721are "libkeks" libertarians or liberals?
>>218843656
>>218846636It's a shame Benjicot won't be cast, according to Hess
For me, it's House FalwellImagine meeting a Falwell maiden at a tourneyThe big question is do it honk?
>>218843656It's not the Muddy Mess anymore.
Good morrow sers>delayed caturday pic
>>218847240me on the right
>>218847987okay Catlyn
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>>218843061why do Ironborn love chimping out and then getting raped so much?
>>218844600Elia was a happy cuck.
Cat's a brat
>>218849957still need her OnlyFrans
>>218850491*Only Cat
Dunk’s shield reminds me of Elden Ring. Glintstone shooting above a great tree. FromSoft games in general share a lot of themes. I replayed Bloodborne the other day and noticed that the Pthumerians are more or less the Lorathi mazemakers.The Maesters of the Citadel + The Church of Starry Wisdom = The Academy of Raya Lucaria (basically not!Hogwarts with a cosmic horror twist).
Ser Dunk was the person who coined the term "Making the Eight" and that's why he has a direct descendant in each of the 8 territories of Westeros
>>218851058Are there any other instances of stars falling to the earth, besides the sword Dawn and the supposed black rock that the bloodstone emperor worshiped?
>>218842778Then again his sigil was painted by Tanselle who won't exactly have been schooled in heraldic norms and instead would have just painted it all in whatever style she liked which likely would have been overly pretty because she's a girl. And Dunk could have maintained that style going forward because he fancied Tanselle
>>218851058The fire monks and their blood sorcerers are essentially the red priests. Yeah. The Carians are the Starks.
>>218851134Hammer of the waters and the hammer of the neck
premeval sorcerer Azur and his comet magic
>>218851416>The Carians are the StarksThey’re a mix of Stark and Targ. They’re associated with wolves and the cold, but are also descendants of a lost civilization.
>>218851677A dragon also serves Ranni.
eight fucking lemoncakesI could have stopped at five, I had to have eight
Are women better magic users than men in the world of asoiaf? Then it would truly be like elden ring
>>218851788EightFuckingCider Sours
>>218851788>88Seven save us!
>>218851475>the most legendary sorcerer in the world >is a mute motionless rockK I N OINO
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>>218851798We don't have enough of a sample size to determine if gender matters when it comes to magic. Mel seems like one of the higher tier magic user's we've seen. Thoros of Myr is pretty good but even he admits he doesn't really know what he's doing half the time.Moqorro is pretty powerful and from what we've seen might be Mel tier.
George said that he doesn’t like magic that is taken for granted or consistently reproducible. He doesn’t like spells where you say six specific words for a concrete effect every single time without issue or any consequence. Magic should be like poking at radiation before you even know what radiation is. Magic to George is a “system” not a system. How much of a ritual is truly necessary? Does it matter? What if the ritual isn’t the true decider of the outcome? Do they know that?
>>218841854>2068>be GRRM>120 years old>deathbed>finally release the rest of the books>it's actually just a transcript of the show
Also according to George we haven’t seen a true capital-w wizard yet. No one truly KNOWS how the magic works. No one truly COMMANDS magic.
>>218851798Where in ER is it implied that women > men at magical matters?
>>218852195Well then how the hell am I supposed to make autistic rankings with specific power levels
>>218843656...stnemom neeuq saay no sucof ot retcarahc sih tuc yehT
>>218852300You do it with swordsmen instead.Barristan > Arthur Dayne, the fraud of the morning.
Magic is a rickety ladder of ignorance. 1. ??? 2. Sorcerer uses glass candle to cosplay as R’hllor3. Red priest receives fiery visions from “R’hllor”4: Red priest uses alchemical tricks to reinforce their beliefs 5. Onlookers just eat it up and spread the word like wildfire
>>2188523951. Ancient aliens
>>218852395What about the shadow babies and raising the dead?
Seeing into the flames seems like a crapshoot half the time or it's just vague enough for any outcome to make sense.The ambiguity like with the leechs and the "false kings" is what gives mages power. Was it all a happy coincidence that Balon, Robb, and Joff died not long after or was it the Lord of Light's plan all along?
>>218851788Don't cry in front of the Dornishmen
>>218841852Is him having long hair actually described in the books? I know the official illustrations showcases it as such but I can't recall it getting mentioned in text.
>>218849753Retardness
>>218852622it's all esoteric versions of skinchanging, I think a lot of that stuff makes more sense viewed through the lens of things like panpsychism. Wights are dead men who's souls are trapped and being controlled by Others. Shadow babies no fucking idea desu, maybe you're taking a piece of their soul and controlling it which is why it looks like Stannis. I also think the idea of "power resides where men believe it to be" or whatever is related in some way, king's blood having power for magic because of the collective consciousness believes the blood to be important. This also would open the door for stories having a direct effect on cultures through things like mythology and legendary figures of the past
>>218853288It’s animism. Nature/magic is alive. It’s all tied to the psyche/emotion. You see a few parallels in the east. The trees of the warlocks and the glass candles emulating the weirwoods and their green seers. >Shadow babies no fucking idea desuStannis dreams of himself murdering his brother. It’s likely his psyche/lifeforce had played a deeper role than anticipated. Magic favours some. Disfavours others. It favoured the Valyrians for a long time. It’s weird since magic is a cruel asshole who bites back. You have to wonder how they (the Valyrians) managed such sorcerous infrastructure for so long. The Doom also shook magic to its core globally. Valyrians did something to upset it.
>>218853116>Dunk was hugely tall for his age, a shambling, shaggy, big-boned boy of sixteen or seventeen years(no one was quite certain which) who stood closer to seven feet than to six, and had only just begun to fill out his frame.Shaggy could mean alot of things. Sometimes people consider it shorter like in the comics or like fabio. I doubt hedge knights frequent barbers.
>>218853470>It’s weird since magic is a cruel asshole who bites back.Dragons seem to be fine.
>>218853288>I also think the idea of "power resides where men believe it to be" or whatever is related in some way, king's blood having power for magic because of the collective consciousness believes the blood to be importantThis might be why magic takes different shape despite having the same or similar function as >>218853470 mentions. The glass candles used by the Valyrians had the same powers as the green seers, but are shaped and used differently.
>>218853288>I also think the idea of "power resides where men believe it to be" or whatever is related in some way, king's blood having power for magic because of the collective consciousness believes the blood to be important.Isn't symbolism usually important in magic anyway?
>>218853738Don’t be disingenuous. Dragons are vile creatures spawned from the deep. Have you SEEN what happened to Aerea? It’s likely they were bred from literal fucking abominations.
Is obsidian(dragonglass) the ultimate medium for magic? It’s frozen flame. That’s fire and ice together. The Valyrians used it. The children of the forest used it. Clearly it’s pivotal.
>>218853834Not really relevant. Dragons are magical creatures/products of magic and yet they're perfectly fine on their own.
>>218853872>frozen
>>218853884Nope it’s entirely relevant. Unholy creatures. Everything about them is wrong.
>>218853928In the world of asoiaf obsidian is referred to as ‘frozen flame’, or ‘dragonglass’.
>>218853941And they don't suffer for it.
>>218853884Dragons are volatile. They only bond to one rider. Sometimes they hatch out of the egg as violent and uncontrollable. >>218853983The dragons themselves? I guarantee you the Valyrians bred flightless dragons that could barely breathe fire. Pugs.
The Rhoynar looked to their waters the way the red priests look to their fires.
>>218844960>Andal laws and traditionsMore a tradition than a "law", seeing as there are no official courts in Westeros and rulings are whatever the local lord decides.We see that Rohanne Webber's father was willing to let her inherit if she got married but if not, the lands and titles would go to his male nephew.On the flip side, we have nonsense like Lysa Arryn nee Tully having complete control of the Vale and everybody just accepting this, despite her being a widow and Cersei (who everybody still strangely calls a Lannister despite being married to a Baratheon) automatically becoming regent and everybody just accepting this.tl;dr it's whatever Gurm wants at the moment.
>>218851788You know that guy kinda famous?That guy? For what?Killed his wife and got away with it.
>>218851134>Are there any other instances of stars falling to the earth>>218851444>Hammer of the waters and the hammer of the neckThese were not asteroid impacts but the Children of the Forest using their magic to induce geological events.
>>218854076>despite her being a widow and Cersei (who everybody still strangely calls a Lannister despite being married to a Baratheon)Tychad demanded it
>>218854076I liked her boobie
>>218854243>lets married women keep their maiden namesTywin Lannister, leading Westerosi feminist
>>218852061Thoros barely has any magical ability and what he's got was purely accidental.Melisandre is primarily a seer and illusionist, her greatest magical feat was birthing the shadowbabbys.Moqorro on the other hand appears to be very powerful, he survives a shipwreck, is a seer and does whatever he did with Victarion.
>>218854215Was there really an inland sea at the Arm
>>218853288>Wights are dead men who's souls are trapped and being controlled by Others.Wights are straight up zombies, they have no soul.The souls of resurrected people like Beric and Catelyn are also gone but their bodies and brains are mostly functional in a read-only-memory kinda way.
>>218854215Some trivia about this. GRRM is old enough that he was only able to properly view Plate Tectonic Theory when he was in college. As in, Plate Tectonics was not an accepted theory during his formative years. It was still Continental Drift as the main theory during the 1950s and early 1960s. Since GRRM never actually tried to make a map for ASOIAF on his own, and needed someone else to make maps for him, we can see the Arm of Dorne expose his shortcomings. As >>218852195 indicates, GRRM is allergic to any order with magic. Arm of Dorne demonstrates that GRRM simultaneously refuses to explain events in the setting as a result of natural processes, but then refuses to elaborate on the magic that must substitute for said processes. He's eating his cake while trying to have it too.If Arm of Dorne detonated from underneath, there would still be volcanoes in the Stepstones. There are none. The only volcano anyone sees in ASOIAF is at Dragonstone. A meteor to the Arm of Dorne is a much better explanation, but this has been ruled out by... actually idk why it's ruled out besides it being a lorefag's theory so that automatically makes it wrong somehow. So the sea actually just broke that continental isthmus in a short time period, with no erosion patterns? Fucking magic, and GRRM doesn't want to explain shit. I bet he'd get angry if fans suggested it was just a tidal causeway.It's both hilarious and sad the Fat Man will throw mashed potatoes in an autistic rage because anyone dare to exercise more fiat with his writing after he already opened the door on magic. Dragons are magic abominations made out of different animals fused together, but the MUST have only 4 limbs because all other animals have 4 limbs, OKAY!? Someone should drag the Fat Man to India and show him the thousands of fenugreek human centipedes that are born every year.
>>218844960>>218854076If these "legal rights" were actually widespread and respected amongst the nobility then the lords would not have overwhelmingly voted in favor of viserys.
>>218853872If obsidian is frozen fire then what is burning ice. The wierwoods? Swords of pale fire?
>>218851989If Euron wanted to show domination over Aeron wouldn't instead force the bound Aeron to fellate him ?
>>218854634>Wights are straight up zombies, they have no soul.Ice preserves. They hold some remnant of their old lives. Like the husband of the spear wife who just *knew* to return home to strangle his wife.
>>218854663Westeros looks like it’s drifting away from Essos. I can only assume the Arm wasn’t really an arm more than a wedge.
>>218854663>If Arm of Dorne detonated from underneath, there would still be volcanoes in the Stepstones.It's magic, there was no need for volcanos. It appears to be a case of the CotF magic sinking/lowering the surface of the planet under the Arm of Dorne and the Neck, in fact we see that their magic was already failing when the Neck didn't sink completely as they had expected. This resulted in them going all out on creating the Others as magical bio-weapons, which backfired on them.>GRRM doesn't want to explain shit.As others have pointed out, Gurm doesn't want to get into the details and mechanism of magic, he just needs this or that character to do whatever to move the story in the direction he wants it to go.
Does the North have any good qualities?
>>218854663>Arm of Dorne demonstrates that GRRM simultaneously refuses to explain events in the setting as a result of natural processes, but then refuses to elaborate on the magic that must substitute for said processes.It’s funny to me that you think this is even an issue.
>>218851390GRRM actually didn't care much for real world heraldic rules when he created sigils for his houses
>>218854930They actually just caused the waters of the narrow sea to rush in on some rock. They blew their entire magic load doing it.
>>218854933I never got this meme. Ned being raised there has absolutely nothing to do with it when you look at how degenerate, corrupt, and useless the valemen are in Sansa's pov. And how robert came out.
>>218854691>If these "legal rights" were actually widespread and respected amongst the nobility then the lords would not have overwhelmingly voted in favor of viserys.Again, it's whatever Gurm wants at the moment. He only cares about the story, not the mechanisms of law, culture, magic, geography, etc.An analogy might be comparing Star Wars to Star Trek. With SW, it's whatever is cool (like light sabers) and who cares how it works while with ST, they at least try to come up with a quasi-scientific explanation (like transporters).
What caused the Doom? The grand high priest decided he didn’t want to do a ritual that day. He just didn’t feel like it. Boom.
>>218855047It was probably something stupid like that yeah; but people expect le epic faceless man intrigue
>>218855044>Again, it's whatever Gurm wants at the moment.It’s not like there’s any pleasing you nitpicky faggots so good for him. Browsing these generals, I definitely would understand if he didn’t want to finish the books just to spite niggers like you.
>>218851798It seems you need a genetically/magically special woman to hatch dragon eggs. It's possibly implied that her beeing pregnant is specifically what awakens the stone eggs.
>>218854215I'm not sure if it's that complex
>>218855163>you nitpicky faggotsDon't blame me, I don't have a problem with magical in the story. It's not D&D after all.
>>218855189Scotland truly is a cursed frozen land full of savages and magical beasts
The Neck was flooded and the Arm of Dorne was shattered not to keep the humans out - but to keep the Others in.
>>218855460Why else would the Romans bother building Hadrian's Wall if not to keep out the monsters that lied beyond.
>>218841900He did say this, I heard it!
>>218855578How would any of that stop them though? They have ice powers. A swamp would be less of a hindrance to them than a hill.They are also not that scary from what George has delivered so far, not enough to be a global threat.
>>218856362We don't really know how many there are, that's the thing. There could be enough, more than enough to swallow the continent
>>218856456George obviously wants them to be a threat that can only be defeated by Dragons, but for that to work they need to be way more threatening than just be a few icefags with zombies.
>>218856696White walkers are fireproof like in the show. Serwyn of the mirror shield and the dragon? The others mirror armor? That was the hint
>>218855578Too bad they also invaded from the North into Essos during the Long Night, so it doesn't really make sense.
>>218856942Never proven, that’s a fandom headcanon
>>218856942Now how would they get there I wonder
>>218856745Doubt.What good are the Dragons then? They are supposed to be their hard counter.
>>218857245Not the south
>>218857258Dragons and white walkers are simply two sides of the same apocalypse coin double fucking mankind
>>218857917>Fire or Ice? Let's ask impartial observer Robert Frost
>>218857917>89 years for one single short poemWow. And here I thought GRRM took forever to write.
>>218858021WRONG! Ackshually it's less than 89 years
>>218857958KEK
You seek what you lack. Hot air seeks cool lands, cold-blooded animals seek warmth and vice versa, and Frost seeks Fire.
>Beware the brooding manlet
>>218855188It was sacrifice of Drogo, Rhaego and Mirri.
>>218844535>If you do it to some random betrothed girl it probably shows your hitting on her though.Yes. Unless she's a kid in the case of Cole making Rhaenyra QoLaB or Simon Dondarrion doing the same for Princess Daenerys, daughter of Jaehaerys.
>>218858427How was she alive then?
>>218857917Not sure about Apokalypse, but the First Men and Valyrians, the "Ice and Fire", are certainly more similar than geographic and ethnic distance would suggest. Prophetic Dreams is one similarity, and the Valyrian-First Men hybrids like Bloodraven or Jon are the super specialest characters around.What George wants to say is that the Andals are pathetic little Muggles, very politically incorrect for such a staunch progressive.
>>218859039Dragons hatched after she died.
>>218858427Mirri doesn't have king's blood though
>>218859144Then how was she alive at the end? Did Maz Dur perform necromancy from beyond the grave?
Our boy Gendry fighting the Dothraki invaders
Why is there so much disloyalty and dishonour in Westeros, then randomly there's this army of guys across the Narrow Sea that are a generational army of mercenaries that are undyingly loyal to a King that died generations ago? Robert was apparently this big personality everyone loved, yet no-one stands up for "his" kids. They're basically all cowed by the Lannisters.
Will Rickon survive?
>>218859346>Why is there so much disloyalty and dishonour in WesterosShit kings after shit kings after shit kings results in this.>Robert was apparently this big personality everyone lovedNot everyone and even those close to him just tolerated him including Ned, Stannis, Renly, his Kingsguard and nobles who lived in KL, plus Targ loyalists.>yet no-one stands up for "his" kidsYou can thank Cersei and Joff being stupid fuckers, despite not being universally loved everyone who knew Ned Stark or heard about him knew he was a pretty honourable guy, and Joff executing him did some bad damage especially by doing it in the stairs to the Great Sept of Baelor.
>>218859495Why does he look Mongol
>>218859495Dickon
>>218859346Robert's kids are seen more as Lannisters than Baratheons even from the people who don't believe that they are Bastards, and the Lannisters are highly unpopular. Bobby G was also a shit king for a dozen years after being a chad during the rebellion.With the golden company, you have to consider that a lot of the westerosi are nobles that got stripped of their lands for one reason or another, and a change of dynasty is pretty much their only longshot of getting their lands and station back.
>>218859495Rickon and Davos will return at the head of a cannibal Skagosi army and take back Winterfell
>>218859346>there's this army of guys across the Narrow Sea that are a generational army of mercenaries that are undyingly loyal to a King that died generations agoSome of them are. Most are just Westerosi who ended up having to live as mercenaries for some reason or another, and the Golden Company just happens to be the best place for them. Sitting Aegon on the throne is a way for them to return home while also getting richly rewarded. Any allegiance they might have to the Blackfyres or Targaryens is secondary to all that for most of them.
>>218859836Na, they had a really good shot with Viserys right after the war (when Westeros was weak) and they decided to go "Nah, it's OK we'll wait for a Blackfyre". I get Aegon was a late addition and needs tons of free stuff to catch up, but it's just an awful contrivance.
>>218854663There is a lot that doesn't make sense with the world George made for his story about kings and dragons. It's obvious he doesn't have an explanation about the breaking of the arm of Dorne because it's pretty irrelevant to the rest of the story. Don't think too much about it.
>>218859935Had they though? When? Who would have joined except Dorne and the Reach? And only the Reach was still on full strength. Dornish lost a lot during the trident, Vale, Riverlands, Stormlands and North are solidly in the Robert camp and the Lannisters killed the last Targaryen king and Rhaegar's kids. 10k mercs and MAYBE the reach and Dorne against the rest of Westeros? For a boy-king?
>>218859935How is that a good shot? Viserys was a child and the Targaryen loyalist houses had just been bled by losing a war. How is that a better opportunity than the chaos of the war of the five kings?
>>218860177The gigantic army of mercenaries they had.
>>218858273>burns Tyrion alive
>>21886036210k? "Gigantic"? Would punch above their weight against a feudal army, certainly, but against 2/3rds of Westeros? No way.
>>218855189>the south is a desert inhabited by arabic culturesFORESHADOWING
>>218861370It's more spanish than arabic coded. But there is some morocco in there.
>>218843656this pussy lowers his head in the presence of Cregan Stark
Is Dexter Sol Ansell genuinely the greatest child actor we've ever seen?I guess it helps when the character is literally the same person as the actor but still.
>>218846730cringekino
>>218854933yeah they're based, with a penchant for loyalty and honour (except Boltons)
why was Robert sent to the Vale instead of ruling the Stormlands after his parents died? he was 16, so not even that young
>>218851798it's possible but like the first anon said we have nowhere near a sample size that could actually prove anything, and we have no idea how good at warging Robb, Sansa and Rickon are compared to their PoV siblings
>>218863176Blind adherence to oaths maybe, but definitely not honorable
>>218863719lmao
>>218863176Definitely the most honorable Houses in Westeros.
>>218862571He did a great job. Him and the actor for Dunk
>>218862571>I guess it helps when the character is literally the same person as the actor but still.That's how Stephan Dillon did so well as Stannis lmao. He literally said in some interview he just acted like himself during casting.
>>218863260Robert was sent to the Eyrie as a young boy before his parents died, he probably just liked to visit Jon and meet with Ned
>>218863993>shoots enemy commander with arrows under a peace banner after refusing an honorable duel Bitch made cravens
>>218864298He didn’t really have much choice. D&D didn’t give a shit about his character so he was essentially forced to improvise.
>>218864430>blaming northmen for what riverlanders dook troon
>>218864254There were Velaryons at Ashford?
Just rewatched the tower of joy scene and good fucking lord i hate it so much.Having the guy whose whole thing is having a legendary sword dual wielding like a retarded weeb was so gay
Why is it called the Tower of Joy? What fun things did they do in there?
Robert bros...
Gods I was horny then
>>218865419>Too. Old.
>>218865419The rogue king
>>218844600She's Dornish, they're into that
whos the best actor in dunk
>>218866261it might honestly be the Raymun guy, he truly plays his part perfectly
The Raymun Fossoway knighting scene is the most kino moment in all of ASOIAF don’t @ me
>>218866535Why won't they give us the full knighthood oath!?
>>218855032Not to mention what honourfags all the other Starks in history generally are.>captcha: 7 pointed star
>>218866318god, he made targfags seethe uncontrollably
It's an "Aemond cuddles with mommy" episode
>>218855044>it's whatever Gurm wants at the momentExcept it also worked like this for the longest time in Europe. "Why didn't Jaehaerys just codify the law" well why didn't monarchs irl do it?
Wait, is Dunk canonically knighted in the books or not? or is that an epic creative twist that was thrown in there?
>>218866604because the fatman couldn't come up with something clever for the rest of the 7
>>218867722ewww
>>218867919>Wait, is Dunk canonically knighted in the booksyeah
>"Jon," she said. He should have kept going, but she had never called him by his name before. He turned to find her looking at his face, as if she were seeing it for the first time.>"Yes?" he said.>"It should have been you," she told him.based cat
>>218864861It's a hard scene to fuck up too
I thought of a new Stark, Niggard Stark.
>>218867919this is your modern television audience
>>218870191You were the brotha I chose
>>218853928I doubt anyone in Westeros knows what vitrification is, even the maesters probably think that glass turns solid through freezing.
>>218867919No, its supposed to be a bit ambiguous but its not very subtle. Like R+L
>>218867919>Wait, is Dunk canonically knighted in the books or not? At some point, sure.>Wait, is Dunk canonically knighted by ser Arlan in the books or not? It's not stated outright and there are arguments for either case. The show HEAVILY hints that he isn't, in the book it's more of a realization/theory you're supposed to have at some point. Think R+L=J, technically not proven but everyone assumes it is.
HBO is genuinely pissed they can’t put Aegon the Conqueror in a mixed race relationship.
>>218871633The Conqueror is black because his mother is a Velaryon. Just change Orys from being Aerion's bastard and make him Aegon's bastard by some white Crownlander whore.Hire me HBO.
>riding ice spiders as big as hounds That’s not very big for a mount. The walkers probably look awkward as fuck scuttling around all hunched and close to the ground like that
>>218871947maybe they stand on them, one leg on each. like ice skates.
HotD Is dogshit made for women
>>218871633oh lawdy dem games
retard herewhy didn't dunk go with Lyonel? he was a good guy and they had fun together
>>218871633I thought since HBO was bought they were right wing now
the real question on everyone's minds is if Vaegon will make an appearance on HotD
>>218872232Kino!
>>218872909Lyonel isn't really a good guy. He likes to have fun but when Dunk tells him of all his troubles he just goes "idk bro sounds like poor people issues lmao". He only really joins the Trial for his own glory rather than Dunk and he probably wants Dunk for similar reasons. He also hates Targaryen fucking shits and is generally irreverent, which chafes with Dunk's honest belief in values of honor and duty.Also he gives off incredibly gay vibes and Dunk doesn't want to be anally penetrated.Also because he's a non-character in the novel and doesn't offer there so Duncan obviously doesn't go.
>>218873628I see. Well I liked what they did with his character, it makes sense for "the laughing storm" to be a bit of a fag
>>218874208I wish he did some of his "laughstorming" in the show tho. I even thought they gave him an utterly retarded half-open helmet so they could show his face but I guess not.
>>218846662kek some of the houses are so goofy, people take these books too seriously
>>218874208It's the laughing storm, not the giggling gust. He's supposed to be a boisterous, jovial chad, not a weird ponce.
>dorne is like 80% desert>only reason it could survive is trade like the middle east profiting from the silk road>only that doesn't apply because you can just fucking sail around it, there's absolutely no need to go through dorne whatsoeverHow does gurm explain this? Their economy should be complete shit.
>Norwin Lannister was a King of the Rock of House Lannister of Casterly Rock. He was know as "Norwin the Niggardly". what the fuck
>>218854663you've thought about this more than George has
>>218874700It was a different time
>>218874692Same explanation they got their country systematically burned to a crisp for years and just kept going: author favouritism and plot armour.
>>218844373luke is icsh
>>218874700
fat pink mast
>>218854076>who everybody still strangely calls a Lannister despite being married to a BaratheonBecause she IS a Lannister and never will be a Baratheon. GRRM's idea of marriage is the American modern one, not the classical European aristocratic one.Nobles and royals don't take on their husband's name. They remain of their own house, but did fill in for their husbands when needed. Widows frequently returned to their original house if they left childless, or became regents/advisors for underage/young lords.
Sansa getting the upper hand and being little fingers downfall would be so predictable and boring. Anything but that would be way better
>>218874692>>218874874Gurm read "Dune" and thought it was cool (it is) but he didn't learn anything from it.
>>218874208>it makes sense for "the laughing storm" to be a bit of a fagBut the character wasn't written that way because it made sense, it was just politically correct box checking where in the UK (yes I know, shut up Paddy) it's pretty much the law to shoehorn in minorities.Though I'll admit HBO made him as little gay as possible while still toeing the woke line. At least they didn't make him Black...
>>218874692Why would any merchant sail around it and waste more time if Dorne wasn't hostile towards them?
Thread still up? Another 24 hour thread
>>218877080Same reason merchants used to have to sail around Africa, you go where the trade is. What does Dorne have to trade? Sand?
>>218876895i liked him
>>218876895>At least they didn't make him Black...He looks and talks like a brown, might as well. It's a shit casting.
>>218876484Maiden slays a giant in a castle of ice
>>218877525>littlefinger>giant
>>218877882He is a giant, bigger than any of the small brained midwits that stand 20 ft tall. He is bigger than most people on the continent, in ways you couldn't fathom
>>218877970Do you mean the size of his dick?
>>218878016Lot more than that
>>218878073Now you're telling me he's a hermaphrodite?
>>218878104I'm telling you not only is he packing but also he's more accomplished and has better connections than most men of his birth. He is a giant in every way but stature, which is the least of his concerns
>>218878371>better connectionsDick's long enough to reach his own butthole? I'm impressed!They should have called him large dick, not little finger.
>>218862571Well yeah he is just being himself. But that isn't as easy as it sounds.
>>218878401They do, all who what beneath the fabric, just ask Lysa
Am I the only one who thought Renly-Loras was a one way crush reading the books? Yeah it's clear as day that Loras was gay for him but there were only a few subtle lines about whether Renly returned Loras' feelings or not and they all went over my head.
>>218878533*who know what's
Source tells me loras is stable. Please god.
He's diffused. I'm sorry
>>218871633Its still funny how they fucked up with making the Velaryons black, because they showed Jaehaerys as a pure white dude already so the blackness was clearly a late addition to the Velaryon heritage, most likely Corlys mother being a Summer Islander.
>>218871633Dw aegon and his sisters would still be humiliated and humbled by the yellow toad of dorne
>>218874584there's a lot of humor in the books desu, it's usually subtle descriptions of ancillary characters from the constant coughing of Gyles Rosby or the cartoonish Jalabhar Xho brazenly petitioning the king for an army to kill his enemies in the Summer Isles
>>218867774Kings codified law all the time, speaking law was one of their most important duties/powers. Just to name two important irl medieval examples:https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Lagab%C3%B8tes_landslovhttps://wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsenspiegel
Could an oldfag explain the Rickon & Dickon gay emperors of Essos bit?
>>218871633Instead they will have Rhaenys survive the fall, then cuck Aegon with a lesbian Dornish lover.
>>218868739You know reddit accepts faggots.
>>218875536season 1 bran is icsh
>>218879484NTA but none of the kings that ruled for several millennia back when the seven kingdoms were actually seven bothered to do it
>>218879586their names sound funny and it's just meant to be an absurd and outlandish theory because they're barely in the story, them being gay is the product of early /got/ being imbued with rampant homoerotic undertones and Bran posting by unironic pedophiles. Anon always posted with that cute gif of smirkfu
Why does Gurm believe that homos are incapable of impregnating their fake wives while pretending not to be homos?
>>218880172I imagine there's been plenty of homo lords who managed to do their duty despite being homos.Its just Laenor was SUPER homo and couldn't do it, not that they tried too hard since Jace was born like a year into the marriage.Also the show makes it so fucking hilarious how Laenor jumped at the chance to fake his death and run away from his "kids" to Essos, like no one realized how fucking racist stereotype that is for a black guy?
>>218880219Laenor should have at least begged Daemon to fuck Rhaenyra so no one would suspect that their children were bastards
>daughter got raped by The Mountain>bent the knee the first chance they gotGRRM really went overbpard with his Bracken hateboner here
>>218880593Nah they're cucks
>>218880593The Lannisters are going to force them to keep Gregor Jr. for the ultimate humiliation ritual
>>218880737Why wouldn't you just hunting accident him out of the picture?
>>218880385Didn't even have to beg Daemon, Rhaenyra could have just fucked one of the many Velaryon cousins that Laenor has, or any dragonseed on Dragonstone, there were plenty of options but that dumb bitch chooses the one guy who's genetics are Strong enough to overtake the traditional Valyrian looks, and if that wasn't bad enough she didn't have the brain power to know to stop after the first kid came out brown haired and pug nosed.
>>218880776Cause they're Brackens, they're dumb cucks
>>218880593They did? Never heard of that happening:
>>218881198Most riverlords bent the knee after the red wedding. The blackwoods decided to continue fighting so the brackens helped the lannister siege them in exchange for some of the blackwoods' land.
>>218881267If bloodraven was so powerful then why was he a cuck and why did he always fail to kill bittersteel? This is why I don't buy the bloodraven is behind everything theory
>>218881225His daughter getting raped I meant.
re-watching GoT with no breaks between season really shows you Cersei deserved that walk of shame
>>218881287He is behind all the plots but his plots don't always work
consider the following:
>>218881550Joffrey was a pro baker?
>>218881437true she wants to be as ruthless as Tywin but she's retarded and has none of the redeeming qualities
>>218881437Breaks between seasons shouldn't be enough for you to forget her many horrible sins.
>>218880172Because grrm assumes that gays are as disgusted by the thought of straight sex, as heteros are disgusted by the thought of gay sex.I mean, could (You) do gay sex, even if your life depended on it?
>>218874584you don't want a clussy princess gf from house falwell?
>>218879745you better go back then lol
>>218842976also important to note that harlaws arent as seaniggery as the rest of the ironborn
I have this horrible suspicion that HotD S3 will actually be good and that will ruin my whole narrative
>>218874584Grrm himself takes asoiaf way less serious than a lot of his readers. He has a kight named Uther Shett (utter shit), and sesame street names for Lords of Riverrun. The Sword of the Morning might be a dick joke. Etc.
>>218849753Because GRRM needed that culture existing in order to, in his mind, make Westeros more interesting. When in fact their continued existence makes no sense at all. The Rock would've conquered them a long, long time ago.
>>218882197lol
>>218882215maybe that's what happenedthe Rock has conquered and genocided them dozens of times, but the colonists they plant there always end up going native and within a few centuries begin chimping out again
>>218882240the Drowned God knew this
>>218882240>>218882271>it's not the people>it's the islands themselvesLOVECRAFTIAN
>>218882240>maybe that's what happenedIt's a nice theory but no. GRRM makes it clear that they were never "repeatedly conquered and genocided."Which makes no sense, of course. Your theory makes more sense, but is unfortunately untrue.
>>218882292yes please
>>218882470>>218882470
>>218882661>>218882661>>218882661Ignore the one without title
>>218882476>>218882665Why do both of these threads suck so hard?
I'm going to migrate to the one first graced by TAOOBA posterSeven take the wheel
>>218882207>mightIt's a dick joke and Arthur Dayne is a reference to a Marvel character.
