What's the dumbest "intellectual" movie you've ever seen?
>>218879107Schindlers List
Zero Dark Thirty
Commando
>>218879107Operation dumbo drop
>>218879343wrong
2001 space odyssey
>>218879107Pi, which is also probably the worst movie I've ever seen
Primer
I heart huckabees
>>218879107Arrival is so fucking shit
>>218879107Good luck have fun dont die
Interstellar and Tenet. I'm hype for Odyssey but Nolan has made some serious turds since Inception
Anything by Nolan, Fincher, PTA, Villeneuve
>>218879436Arguably more intelligent than any wes andersen film
>>218879107Film Socialisme by Godard
>>218880196>InceptionOh I forgot about that one. That was really quite dumb considering how highly praised it was.
>>218880196>I'm hype for Odysseylol. lmao.
>>218879325https://vocaroo.com/1kFssKaA8T5b
>>218879107Scientist here, people with dementia are basically time travelers because they jump around in the memories and relive them as if they were happening the first time while at the same time forgetting their current present.Amy's character knew what to say to the Chinese guy by breaking that barrier to her future mind where he tells her what to say.It's the bootstrap paradox.
>>218880372What I hate about this movie is that there’s absolutely no reason why she’d break that barrier to deescalate the Chinese but not do so to simply tell her husband “not tonight.” There is no reason for them to have a child fated to die tragically young, and even if their genes are just always going to produce children with incurable genetic diseases, there’s no reason not tell him such.
>>218880196>I'm hype for Odyssey
>>218879107Interstellar
>>218880463I hate everything about this movie
>>218880196>I'm hype for Odysseykek
>>218880463>What I hate about this movie is that there’s absolutely no reason why she’d break that barrier to deescalate the Chinese but not do so to simply tell her husband “not tonight.” There is no reason for them to have a child fated to die tragically young, and even if their genes are just always going to produce children with incurable genetic diseases, there’s no reason not tell him such.She is of the mind that a short life full of happiness is worth more than never experiencing anything at all, she doesn't tell the dude because she knows how he'll react. She knows it will end badly, but it's a price she will pay. To say there's 'no reason' is ridiculous and misses the point of the movie itself.
>>218880787>but it's a price she will pay.The point is that it's not hers to pay. She is a disgustingly selfish evil person, and the movie dishonestly doesn't address itBut it's a Villememe flick, what do you expect
>>218879107This one, biggest piece of shit I've ever seen, a main character so import she becomes her own deus ex and litterally does the >I forgave myself thing
>>218880284What's dumb about Inception? It's a pretty basic concept that dreams can change your perspective. I love the film but it's pretty entry level entertaining. I wouldn't class it as a dumb film>>218880287>>218880496>>218880638The cast is incredible and the book is meandering especially the ending. I don't think Nolan can ruin it like Villanueva did with Dune because it's more open to interpretation. Just my opinion but I'll go to the midnight premiere for sure
>>218881134NTA, but with Inception, I think it’s more the reaction of the normiesphere to it than the film itself
>>218879107It's ArrivalVilleneuve is a hack, he makes flicks for people who think they're smart but really are not
>>218879107No Country for Old Men Only the dumbest people like that movie
>>218881134There's nothing really dumb about what you've identified as a basic concept. The dumbest part of the movie is the goddamn spinning top which is like the symbol of the whole thing. There's a big deal made about how you need to have some object that behaves in some way that only you know because if people knew what it does then they could trick you, but that whole idea and therefore the whole damn premise is thrown away because it turns out that tops just spin forever in dreams for no apparent reason.
>>218879107Dude, Where's My Benis?
>>218879107Anything where the intelligent person is black or female or the main story is how the current in office political party is evil
>>218880215Best post I've read on /tv/ in a while. Nicely done.
>>218879424Fuck off.
>>218881134>The cast is incredible and the book is meandering especially the ending. I don't think Nolan can ruin itI like your optimism, genuinely, but Nolan's been on a rampage of mediocrity for a while, and I don't like most of the actors. Not hopeful.
>>218880787Oh, so you’re saying that his prescient wife telling him that their child, conceived at this precise moment, is going to die tragically young would have the exact same effect as her saying nothing and letting her tragic condition blindside him while fully aware that his precognitive wife knew it was coming all along? Get the fuck outta here.
>>218881350it’s more akin to reality-checks like people do with training for lucid dreaming, and there are certain commonalities across everyone. light switches don’t work, mirrors don’t work, clocks don’t work, stuff like that. having the spinning top as a totem is something with which you could dream-check anywhere
American History X
Pic related or anything directed by Nolan.
>>218881499Yeah I know the purpose of it but since it's a flawless test then logically everybody should have tops and then you'd never be able to trick anybody into thinking a dream is reality.Conversely if it can be defeated by someone designing a dream such that your totem behaves normally then it's useless, and since IRL tops can't violate thermodynamical laws there's no way anyone would overlook that.It makes no sense from any perspective.
>>218879107Interstellar is the biggest pseud plebbit wank I've ever seen. It's for idiots who want to feel smart. Nolan is a hack retard.If you're actually interested in and understand science shit, you start to notice just how many faggots there are want to be 'amazed about muh scienth factoids' as opposed to actually taking the time and effort to actually understand anything about it.Joe Rogan is the most obvious example. He literally talks to real science fags and they tell him about 'billions and billions of fuck' and he sits there and goes 'Woah man' at the big numbers and shit, but the next podcast he hasn't learned a goddamned thing. Not even slightly, and he'll buy into any mystic bullshit said by any fucking retard the next podcast. Seriously, how can you have any level of interest or at least curiosity in these subjects and never get off square one no matter how many times shit is explained to you?It's the equivalent to Joe Rogan trying to teach me marital arts and me staying a fucking White Belt for 20 years. How long before he wants me to stop going, 'Wow man' at his kicks and punches before he wants to kick me in the throat for not learning how to do a single kick myself?This is how you get NuTrek and Death Stars shooting multiple planets instantly that are hanging in the sky. Nobody used to care about bending the physics a bit for the sake of dramatic effect and 'artistic licence', but these people don't understand shit, regardless of how many consultants they have behind the scenes. The result is intellectually unbearable horseshit.
>>218881134>The cast is incredibleNot really, it's a mixture of FOTM and 3rd world browns.>the book is meandering especially the ending.How does this make it harder to ruin? If anything it makes it more likely to be ruined. The complex interweaving of subplots, each exploring a different theme/aspect of humanity, makes it unique and interesting; but is very difficult to portray in a normal movie runtime without rushing or cutting a lot.
>>218881134>What's dumb about Inception?Inception isn't dumb per se but people act like the dream within a dream concept is extremely deep and complex. It requires the average person's full brainpower to understand a story with its own internal logic and rules. I am reminded of that screencap about how people with an IQ below 90 cannot comprehend Scheherazade or a story within a story.
>>218881569Well a significant portion of the population lacks an inner voice or the ability to see things in their head, so you can't expect much of them.
>>218881134>The cast is incredible and the book is meandering especially the ending.lmao the cast is terrible. not one of those faggots fits the part> because it's more open to interpretation.no it's not>but I'll go to the midnight premiere for sureYeah, modern movies have the audience they deserve
>>218881317>>218881347this and this
>>218879107Banana spaceships are for HOMEWORLD ONLY. That you for understanding.
>>218880284the amount of people that got mindfucked because they couldnt understand the concept of recursion was the best thing about that movie
>>218881561Completely agree. Very well said
>>218879107
Synecdoche, NY
>>218881689NTA but if you hate Nolan then you're a midwit.
>>218879107>intellectual movie>everybody just posts big budget sci-fi filmsmy answer would be anything by jeanne dielman, that suspiria remake or anything by godard, these are really fucking stupid
>>218881797Fucking awfulThe book was better, while still being awful
>>218881980>>everybody just posts big budget sci-fi filmsbecause no other film is as dumb as those when they try to be smart
>>218880196Interstellar is dumb but at least the plot is easy to follow. Tenet is the most incomprehensible piece of shit ever. Not once is it ever explained what the fuck is happening, instead we get characters babbling on about paradoxes like that's a proper substitution for an actual story
I love it when retards like to pretend that Donnie Darko is deep and meaningful.
>>218879107never watched this because I find her and Renner to be painfully dull actors
>>218879107problem child 2
Everything Everywhere all at once>>218881347We just like the creepy bowl cut guy tbf
>>218880196he is the king of "smart" movies for dumb people all the way back to Memento
the lobster
>>218879107Arrival sucked. Bad acting. Bad script. All around shit movie.
promise i had these views before all the critics jumped on the "holy shit is that film racist" bandwagon. gotta' get that out of the way first... how breathtakingly racist the film is>set in japan>every japanese character is either mute or they speak in cutesy broken english>they're strangely excited about trivial things>no sign of deep emotion or thoughts coming from them>we get a shot (pic-related) of bill murray standing in an elevator with some short, serious businessmen>bill murray is playing an actor who flew to tokyo to do a scotch adhttps://youtu.be/FiQnH450hPMthat scene is a perfect encapsulation of the film. notice how stupid and phony and lame the japanese director is! notice how he gives stupid directions for a fucking scotch ad! lol a scotch ad who even cares about a scotch ad?well... you flew to tokyo presumably to get a big fat pay check for 30 mins of work. you knew it was a scotch ad. you know the rich history of actors/musicians doing weird little japanese adsand that's the attitude bill murray has? he's that fucking annoyed and depressed? that he got a simple physical direction?sco-jo's character is just as hard to sympathize with. she's a rich wife who feels bored waiting around at the hotel while her husband worksentire film is built around feeling connected to those characters and their supposed (nothing really) relationship... but they're just mediocre unhappy yuppiestry to go through that film picking out moments of personality/heart/anything from the two characters. a huge chunk of it is>japanese guy says something weird>they look at each other
Not quite "intellectual", but close enough - Now You See Me (2013). There's an enormous gap between how smart that movie wants to look and how fucking retarded it actually is.
>>218879107>pro-lifers unironically endorse this movie as supportive of their worldviewyes, because birthing a child you know will suffer and die from cancer is good not sociopathic
>>218880196I have problems with some (if not all) science in Interstellar, but everything else is solid. Even if it had nothing else going for it, I'd rewatch it for music alone. Actually, it's one of the two Nolan movies that I genuinely enjoy watching. Another one is The Prestige. Memento may be the 3rd, but it's been forever since I've seen it.>hype for Odyssey I've seen the trailer and the cast, and now I have very little hype left (most of it for the fact that it's shot on 70mm IMAX from start to finish). It will just be boring, most likely.
Un Chien Andalou is Dali's stuff being great as always and Bunuel being a yucky little man.
>>218880284I went with some genuine normie friends and they didn't get it.
>>218879107Nolan and Godard, any
>>218880196The Prestige is by far the worst. It starts out as a simple realistic magic trick movie about two rival magicians, then becomes literal magic with the replicator. It's still a fun movie but anyone saying it's smart is a dummy.
>>218879107Bladerunner 2049Fuck you it took everything from the first movie and made it worse.
Nolan slander is just contrarianmaxxing let's be real
>>218882952The Prestige is the dumbest "intellectual" movie there is. In the ending of the movie Hugh Jackman narrates something like "I always use the machine never knowing if I will be the man in the tank" which is supposed to be the big philosophical climax. Yet not Nolan nor anybody in the production crew caught the fact that that line makes no sense?! He will ALWAYS be both! Both men have the same memories. It's just that the one who survives is the only one who has the memories of always surviving. Nolan didn't even understand his own script.
>>218882654>>218883185Both of these movies are kino
>>218883234I like original Blade Runner a lot, but nothing can make its plot worse because it barely has one.
>>218880215>>218881393Wow such stunning and brave opinion Hating on popular directors doesn't make you cool or interesting
I love how Nolan still makes pseuds on this board seethe so much
>>218879107>What's the dumbest "intellectual" movie you've ever seen?everything from A24 except warzone
>>2188832342049 is better than the original
>>218883241The movie has some problems, but what you described isn't one of them.>It's just that the one who survives is the only one who has the memories of always surviving.That's the point.
>>218879424This>>218881412He's rightI bet you are another pseud who hates on Villeneuve and Nolan
>>218879107End of Evangelion
Joker, people act as if it's a "deep" movie.
>>218879107Idiocracy
>>218879107One Battle After Another
>>218880284im the most based person on here for not ever watching that astroturfed hype movie
>>218881561what do you mean?It has key truths in itlike Matt Damon can not be trustedand hes not the only science nigger to fudge data which puts humanity in peril, with their own money
>>218883550explain
>>218880463>>218881429the entire point is that it's all predetermined and non linear. amy adams character can't change anything because there is no other choice available, she never could've changed her decisions because all of the past, present and future decisions are interconnected and happening at the same "time". same with the aliens, Abbott is in "death process" not being able to evade the bomb because there is no other option but the bomb going offit's hilarious how dumb fucks fail to understand a damn hollywood flick like arrival lmao
>>218879107Big Brass Ring.I wanted to actually shoot up that riverboat full of faggots.
>>218883627Theres legit intelligent people who nerd out on shit, then theres intelligent people who use it as a label to distinguish themselves from the lowly retards. the people who pretemtd to be smart are the ones pointing fingers calling everyone dumb, but when pressed they are just as stupid as those people they mske fun of. They just watch more cable tv daily show and documentaries instead of westerns , sports, and videos on rebuilding engines.
>>218882344"deep and meaningful" is nothing but a stylistic vibe to most people
>>218883387lmao no
>>218883324Some people have standards, you know?
>>218879107Magnolia
>>2188813174chan must love it then This place is dumber than facebook
>>218881561Spot on.
I watched this dumb shit in middleschool at like 14 and even then me and my friends realized this shit is so stupid we were crying from laughter during class.
>>218879107Primer because time travel is an inherently retarded concept
>>218883702>being a nerd is a sign of intelligencelule
>>218879407This, ngl.
>>218879107Primer
>>218880196Imagine if redditors stayed where they were at
>>218883298opinions aren't supposed to be "cool or interesting" to you, faggot
>>218879436Fucking this.Stupid movie, I felt I was getting laughed at.
>>218880196Tenet I agree. Nolan got high on his own farts.Interstellar I don't know, it's too simplified for sure but I believe that's a byproduct of humans getting really dumb over the years.
>>218884881What a stupid and irrelevant statement
>>218883234no it didnt you butthurt homo
That alien one with Hershlag
>>218881561Because “science” is just an even more boring narrative than biblical texts. It’s a script, Rogan is high up enough in status to know this and knows the occult secrets of antiquity and does not giveth a fuck about a gay ass narrative that began in the 17th century by paid off cronies to help establish the empire we see today
>>218879107Yorgos Lanthimos films and it's not even close.
>>218882324>Tenet is the most incomprehensible>Not once is it ever explained what the fuck is happeningI never understood how people are so open and proud about being retarded.Reminds me of how people used to say that it took them 5 rewatches to understand Primer. I used to think that was just funposting but I guess some of you are just actually retarded
>>218883674That’s the part that’s idiotic. “Fated” time is, hands down, the most braindead interpretation of prescience or time travel imaginable. It was dumb when it was constraining Dr. Manhattan’s actions, and it’s still dumb here. At least you can excuse Abbot’s death as something necessary for Amy to have her breakthrough, but having her treat as inevitable the death of a child she’s yet to have is tantamount to you saying right here, right now, that having foreknowledge that you will die crossing the street next Tuesday at 3:18, you’d willingly still step out there, because to you, it’s “already happened.” It doesn’t fucking work. Even in a perfectly deterministic universe of cause and effect, absent of the barest sliver of randomness and free will, that knowledge is still a future “cause” influencing a present “effect.”
>>218879107An Evening With Andre.
>>218879107Easily interstellar.
>>218885193Completely agree
>>218881134I share a board with retards like this? Wtf?
>>218885615I'm afraid so
>>218880196>I'm hype for Odyssey...why?
>>218880525That's a spiritual movie not an intellectual one. The end is so science-adverse I'm not sure how anyone can think otherwise.
>>218880372Sounds like the premise for a Vonnegut novella. It's weird that his books translated so poorly to screen.
>>218879107pretty much any Kubrick movie, with the exception of Full Metal Jacket, and Kubrick nearly fucked that one up too.
>>218883324>pseudsthat's not even the right wordpseuds = arty peopleanti-nolan = science peoplego back to reading your mythology book that makes you feel special. that's an illusion of relativity, btw.
Cremaster 4
>>218881569>I am reminded of that screencap about how people with an IQ below 90 cannot comprehend Scheherazade or a story within a story.Seriously? What’s so difficult about that to understand? Do they see The Truman Show and wonder how there can be a movie about a show that doesn’t exist in real life?
>>218886506Who knows. All I know is I had to explain The Matrix to my friend, and audience back then was less retarded than now
>>218879107Oppenheimer.
v for vendetta
>>218885193Thank you I don't get him at all
Remember that pseud faggot who was obsessed with hating Nolan, Fincher and Villeneuve and his favorite directors were Korine, Haneke and Cronenberg?
>>218886382What the fuck are you implying, artfags and wannabe cine bros are the ones who keep hating on Nolan
>>218879107Tennet
>>218886289Filtered
>>218881561Actual science is fucking boring and only hyper autists are interested in it
>>218881347>No Country for Old Men>intellectual movie I don't think that even the biggest simps for this movie think that,anon they just like its characters and the atmosphere
>>218880372>Scientist hereDid scientist school teach you how to reddit-space?
This thread really proves that 4channers are more pretentious than the redditors they make fun of
>>218882344I don't understand why Donnie Darko is so popular when you have to watch the extra 20 mins of the director's cut to understand what the fuck is going on or read someone else's explanation of it. It's a fun watch, but it's definitely not deep or meaningful when it's just unexplained time travel and parallel universe shenanigans.
>>218888201Hang yourself, nigger
>>218889139Cry more bitch
>>218879107that's the one. any time you have a speculative fiction setting but it's all really about <human problem> you've just watched trash. oh these aliens and the biggest event in human history? ya, no, this is all just an allegory about muh ded kid. may as well all have been a dream in the main character's head.
>>218888020>he's actually retardedhave a nice day
>>218882758Its got the sexy redhead so that's enough. Have not seen it.
Limitless is okay but lucy is full on looney tunes.
>>218879107>I WILL KILL MYSELF AND THEN I WILL KILL YOU!
>>218891034Doesn’t she end up turning herself into a USB drive?
>>218883387>2049 is better than the originalyou newfags are retarded
>>218879107>if your language has a word for something, then it can magically distort reality i hated this movie for its attempt to be hyper-intelligent and failing so badlytelerape: noun, the ability to implant desires with your thoughts into a woman that cause her to be unable to resist your penisnews flash, despite my creation of telerape, it doesn't work
>>218881603but i ate breakfast
>>218890177>Least passive aggressive Nolan hater
>>218892617The original is boring besides the visuals
>>218884862That does look funny
>>218879107>popular movies... ARE LE BAD!Wow what a stunning and original thread
>>218879436CHICKEN SALADWITH MAYOAND YOU LIKED IT
I remember someone when Inception came out and I said to someone it's just retarded.>nah man you just don't understand itNo, it's retarded and boring, I regret going to the cinema for it.
>>218879107Plan 9 From Outerspace
>>218882643>Everything Everywhere all at onceThat was gonna be mine. Fucking couldn't stand it.
InceptionMartyrsSawEverything Everywhere All at Once
>>218883185>he thinks the machine actually workedAnon, we've had like 100 threads about this. Telsa was a red herring, the clone shit was all told in flashbacks from a diary we know was a fake Angier made to troll Borden, the "bodies" in the tanks were wax dummies and the one real corpse was Root, recruited back by Angier with money and willingly sacrificed as revenge for his betrayal. It's funny how so many plebs take what's shown in the film literally whenA) It's a film about deceit where we are shown things that are explicitly revealed later not to have happened which makes the narrator unreliableB) the movie ends with a voiceover explicitly stating that the audience is overlooking something important and is being fooled because Nolan thought midwits needed a flashing neon sign that said "TRICK, IT WAS A TRICK THE WHOLE MOVIE IS A TRICK" and it turns out even that wasn't a strong enough hint since most plebs *still* just walk away thinking what they saw was real
>>218893402How the fuck is Saw pseudo intellectual?
>>218894525This
>>218882344>>218889100Darko isn't a particularly deep philosophical film but my question is, is it really trying to be? It's more of a psychological thriller / drama with a superficial layer of philosophy being part of the window dressing. Like how the Matrix wasn't all that deep either and was mostly just a bunch of references to well known shit but no one cared because it was fundamentally an action movie. The story's mostly about Donnie and his decision to die at the end is largely a personal decision, the philosophy is just there to explain some of the film's internal logic.And I've always thought the director's cut was the better version specifically because it establishes the universe's rules way more clearly, which is not a problem. All the people who screech about how the time travel being less vague ruins the mystique or whatever all looked up the lore online anyway. So if you're getting the info one way or another no reason not to just have it in the fucking movie to begin with. >but the opening song isn't the same one deal with it
>>218894525Bingo. This remains my favorite Nolan film.
>>218892209What they don’t tell you is that he was facing away from her. One shot, two kills, baby. If you plan on checking yourself out, try to do it with some style.
>>218884862This looks like it might just be fucktarded enough to be hilarious.
The David Lynch movie that was "all a dream"I was suppose to know it was all a dream because a woman was sleeping on a bed at one scene?
>>218892857There is something cool at the core of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guugu_Yimithirr_languageThe language has no words for egocentric directions and uses geographic directions instead, and it purportedly gives its speakers an almost preternatural sense of direction. Another instance of this is how the Japanese don’t make any distinction between blue and green. To them, they’re just slightly different shades of the same color, hence why you can find traffic lights with either blue or green “go” lenses. There’s an old Frederik Pohl story where one of the characters, in an environment with extremely limited resources, is tasked with overhauling grammar and language, and they end up creating something that is, for lack of a better term, actual magic - a way of speaking things into existence. It’s a pretty freaky story, unfortunately, its title is so gay most people never give it a chance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gold_at_the_Starbow%27s_End
>>218895442Well, that and >the POV shot of the character's head hitting the pillow right at the beginning of the film>the constant references to dreams>the surrealistic and increasingly fantastical nature of the first half of the film culminating in club silencio hammering home the "this is not real" message>the cowboy literally unironically telling her "time to wake up" before the second, much less fantastical and surreal portion of the film begins>the second half of the film mirroring the first half but without the idealized outcomes for Betty because it's reality and not her fantasy any moreBut no, other than that there's no clues whatsoever, the film is completely inscrutable and we all just pretend to understand it to make you feel inferior
>>218879407The final scenes are the payoff.
>>218879107When will this guy play Zelesnky?
>>218896394>the POV shot of the character's head hitting the pillow right at the beginning of the filmSo every movie where you see someone sleeping or laying on a bed its all a dream?
>>218879407What's yoir favorite film?
>>218879107that one is up there on my list for sure
>>218894525This is not supported by the movie at all. Nolan is not smart, he's a dumb hack who thinks he's being clever when he writes lines like "It would be extremely painful. You're a big guy. For you!" The only twist is the existence of the twins, not that the magic sci-fi box isn't really real. That's just a "Totoro is really the afterlife!" tier fan theory that while plausible was clearly not the intention of the director.
>>218879107Dumbed down since the short story is inner monolog of a rational person, switched with going to the office
>>218896499If weird, dream-like shit starts happening to that person after we see them go to sleep and then someone comes into their room and tells them to "wake up" and then things begin to seem a lot more real, I might start to think everything prior to that was a dream sequence, yes. When you watch the Wizard of Oz, does the end confuse you? Because it's the same basic premise except unlike Dorothy, Diane didn't want to come back to reality
>>218896249A language's ability to enable speakers to express and exchange new concepts can indeed facilitate new ways of thinking, leading to invention. It cannot cause the invention to materialize. Good science fiction takes current scientific knowledge and LOGICALLY extrapolates it. Learning an alien language that includes a word for jumping through time and space does not logically allow the language expert to perform it anymore than my attempts to use telerape. The movie is illogical and stupid, and I wish I knew a word for automatically having my $16 refunded.
>>218896552No, it’s an actual case of “show, don’t tell.” You have to pay attention to the narrative voices. Cutter narrates the conclusion. He’s the outermost voice in the nested narratives, and he, if taken to be at least *partially* reliable, had no idea that Angier planned on framing Borden for a capital crime. Cutter consistently claims to believe that Borden was using a double, and the conclusion is essentially him bringing balance to what he saw as an injustice, as there was no apparent malice on the part of Borden(s) in the tragic death of Angier’s wife.
>>218896552Nolan is the guy who ended his movie about people questioning their reality with a shot that made the audience question reality and made his movie with a palindrome title an actual palindrome that ran forwards and backward and met in the middle. You don't think he'd make a movie about tricks a trick?And as for, "not supported by the movie at all" aside form the >you're not looking>you want to be fooledpart, which is the most fucking blatant trail of breadcrumbs in cinema history, there's also the bit about the chinese musician and Borden's secret, both of which are illustrations of "the trick is living the act." No one realizes the Chinese guy is not a cripple because he never drops the act. No one realized Borden had a twin until the very end because he never dropped the act. And no one realizes the movie is a trick because it never drops the act. The diary being fake is not speculative, Angier explicitly tells Borden in the diary "haha I knew you would read this" as a gotcha moment, so in the diary is unlikely to be factual. And we never see two Angiers existing simultaneously in front of anyone. Even the guy renting the theater who seems so impressed only ever sees one at a time. And answer me this: we know the the answer to Borden's trick is that there's two of him. It's a double. Telsa had nothing to do do with it. So when Angier goes to Tesla and Tesla is like "oh yeah, I made that guy a thing that helped him do his trick" that's just a bunch of bullshit. Borden probably never even met Tesla because before his act took off he was barely scraping by. How did he afford and international trip? Why didn't he bring anything back? Doesn't it seem oddly suspicious Tesla happened to have the exact thing Angier needed to do the Transported Man trick despite having nothing to do with Borden's version of the trick? Almost like the whole thing was a story made up to disguise the fact that Angier, just like Borden, is doing the trick with a double
>>218880215Based
>>218883298dilate, stupid plebbitor
>>218888201pretentious≠not liking stupid overrated garbage have some self respect and fuck off back to Plebbit
>>218879107pic related, was completely baffled by how the entire movie is "solved" by the translator simply looking into the future and see how she solved it so that she can solve it in the present. and this is treated as some kind of profound existential revelation
Recently, Inception. Aside from Leonardo DiCaprio absolutely chewing the scenery with his bad, affected tv acting, and pre mastectomy Ellen Page who’s fine in the film. The whole thing is about trying to take Oppenheimer’s business away from him? So they have this huge science fiction plan. Whatever. But there’s also this sub plot where Leo is trying to get to see his kids again (he probably shouldn’t have access to them after what he did). So both plots are pretty dumb, but the film is beloved because of some dream within a dream concept on top of two shit plots. And there are time aspects that Nolan’s uses again for Interstellar. I went into the picture because online it’s propped up as some brilliant explanation of how time works differently in the different realms of existence, higher dimensions, false heavens and hells, spirit guides, NDEs, etc. But this dumb shit was just about a histrionic bad husband and father who’s trying to do something to some business which will allow him to see some kids he needs to be far away from. It’s garbage.
>>218881561Science isn't real you fucking retard, it's all imagination.
>>218880215>PTA
>>218879424>>218884881>>218884950Being so retarded you think 'Primer' is pseudointellectual when it's just convoluted. At worst you could say Carruth has a tendency to overcook basic ideas, but it's a function of him actually being smart and having too much time to overwork his concepts, rather than him thinking he's smarter than he actually is.I'd say he's just trying to be comprehensive, trying to include every little aspects of what might realistically happen if a couple of fags invented a time machine, (which is obviously the point), rather than just more Marty McFly adventure shit. That's what makes it so great.The fact you can't tell the difference instantly outs you as the brainlets ITT. Carruth chloroforming himself and shoving the unconscious body in that attic might be going a bit further than necessary, but that's a world of difference from finding yourself in your daughter's bookshelf because you went into a black hole or some ultra-tard shit like that.
>>218898122PTA is the worst of them all
Christopher Nolan is the ultimate pseud director. I sometimes wonder who is more delusional, Nolan or his fans.
>>218898477Inherent Vice is kino and hilarious and it has a scene where fully nude Katherine Waterson gets spanked, don't tell me it's not a good movie
>>218879107>ctrl+f "Malick">0 resultsI don't know if this means 4chan appreciates Malickino (as they should) or if the people in this thread are such plebs they just aren't even aware of his existence
>>218883387this
>>218881541The totems have a flaw that only the creator knows. So when the architect generate a dream they cannot copy the flaw the totems has. That’s why decapro has a gun ready when he sees his totem because if the totem doesn’t do the flaw he knows it has, he’s going to unalive himself to wake up. The little spinning thing in the ending is just a little joke for the audience because decapro getting everything he wants still thinks it’s a dream but doesn’t care anymore. How the fuck do you not get it? Holy shit you’re dumb.
>>218899107I love Malick.
>>218902206He’s got another totem, too - his wedding ring.
>>218894525complete ass pull
>>218902332Forgot about that one. Any significance to it? I remember they “spoiled” 5-7 years ago that any scene with my cocaine is 100% real life no matter what. Which ruins any mystique the movie had going for it.
>>218898407the movie itself isn't pseudointellectual, but it tends to attract people who think that following a convoluted plot makes them smarter. you seem like one of them. honestly, the movie itself isn't that interesting.
>>218902438I can’t remember which way it worked, but in one setting, he didn’t have the ring. The top was always Mal’s. I’ve always believed that Mal’s token served two purposes - as a misdirection as well as a sanity check for himself.
>>218897153>>218897473Anons, you're being more clever than Nolan ever could be. He's a hack, a clever retard who makes entertaining, pseudo intellectual films that are popular and entertaining. Sure, the Prestige being one big trick would indeed be brilliant, but Nolan isn't clever nor subtle enough for that. There is nothing in the diary that proves the entire contents are fake beyond it being bait, everything is presented as real and fact, within the film and the story. Just because there's the barest, flimsiest hint of a twist does not mean there is one; again, Nolan is not subtle enough for that. He is a retard who didn't think the implications of inserting a matter replicator into Victorian England for some petty Magician's feud.
>>218879107pretty much every Christopher Nolan movie. They all have a solid premise that you can understand and not think too much about and it makes sense in universe then he tries to expound upon his idea and explain it for a mass audience and it comes across retarded and ruins the movie
>>218904773>didn't think the implications of inserting a matter replicator into Victorian England for some petty Magician's feudYou guys realize it was adapted from a book, right? The machine wasn't even his idea. Nolan just presented it in a way that left it open to question whether the machine was even real which IIRC is something the book didn't do so if anything he improved on the original concept
>>218885225there is no time travel in Arrival, only her perception of time changes where she "remembers" the future just like we remember our past in the form of memories, once she grasps the non linear language she experiences everything simultaneously at the same "time", it's not like she views a youtube video of her future and then continues her life normally, there is no A or B point exactly because it's non linear. same with your linear crossing the street example>that knowledge is still a future “cause” influencing a present “effect.”yes and there is no other timeline. her gaining that knowledge in that exact moment was what always happened, the future cause is always influencing the present effect, the ayylmaos always did all that because they know they will need help from humans in 3000 years which also already "happened" etc
Brick
>>218902271Well ok then
>>218879107Probably Aronofsky's Pi.One of the worst movies i've seen in 45 years.So incredibly fucking stupid it absolutely boggles my mind.Runners up are Contact, which is an absolute insult to Carl Sagan, and anime's like Paprika and Ghost in the Shell, which are just complete and utter nonsense.Christopher Nolan's movies are too easy a target but they're on my shitlist as well.>>218881797Great movie. Wonderful handling of exposition by using thematics instead of overt storytelling and dialogue etc - exactly what will be required if there is to be an elden ring adaptation...>>218883507It's an excellent finale to the show.>>218885193I didn't mind him until Poor Things which was terrible, and then Kinds of Kindness which was even worse.Those 2 movies are so bad they made me retroactively hate all his previous movies, which i actually liked up until that point.
>>218879424primer was dogshit
>>218881499>light switches don’t work, mirrors don’t work, clocks don’t work, stuff like thatnot always for everyone. I think it just depends how you're wired, like how some dogs can't recognize themselves in the mirror no matter what you do
>>218893402I haven't watched EEAAO yet, but Swiss Army Knife is up there in the category
Interstellar
>>2188791072001: A Space OdysseyI like the movie but it's not nearly as intellectual as people claim. It's more of an experience film like Terrence Malick makes. Still kino.
>>218902206>flaw he knows it hasThat it eventually stops spinning.Problem with that is everybody on the planet knows that intuitively.
>>218896507A Serbian Film
>>218879107i liked it and it clearly states the message. whats so dumb about it?
>>218909305Glad to see someone else say Pi. Not only was that movie pseudo intellectual nonsense, it was also deliberately filmed in a way to give you a literal headache. Extremely unpleasant in all ways
>>218879107Memento. I had to write an analytical essay on this bullshit too.
>>218911541I was dating a chick with a secret meth habit in 2006 and Memento fucked with her head, she couldn’t understand what was going on. Crazy bitch, but a demon in the sack. I miss her but not the screaming and throwing shit.
>>218879107Arrival only sort of fits. It's not exactly pretentious as a movie, I think it's a fairly understandable and direct story (even if redditors overhyped it). I have some antinatalist leanings and it made me a little bit mad, which may have been the intention, but this is nothing I can't live with. Where it IS pretentious is in completely and totally overstretching the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis to the extent of magical thinking. I'm really miffed by this thing where people in humanities, which are objectively undervalued by capitalist societies, rebound by making up wish fulfilment stories for themselves where knowing languages or making art or whatever is literally a superpower and lets you save the world, actually. It reeks of teenage marysue fan fiction. >>218881531Nolan is also not exactly that ALL the time. I liked Inception and I think it was also a straightforward thing. Let's make a heist movie but instead of robbing a bank we're robbing someone's mind inside a dream and we have these insane surrealist landscapes because of that. It's a cool premise. The ending was a bit of a copout but I don't think a bad ending sinks the whole movie if it's good.Interstellar though really was garbage. I almost up and left the cinema when Anne Hathaway's character started talking about "the physics of love" or some shit like that. Maybe this is because I grew up in a post-Soviet country and I expected some glorification of scientists and astronauts in it, because we sure as fuck didn't feel a need to bring their families and feeings into it to glorify them. I hold Zimmer and van Hoytema innocent, the rest fucked up.
>>218886506Understanding recursion means keeping track of multiple perspectives at once, it reveals that the midwit might have some theory of mind but not completely, or not have enough bandwidth to support that much simulationThey can understand similar mentalities to their own but not foreign ones
>>218904773>the implications of inserting a matter replicator into Victorian England for some petty Magician's feudWho cares about the implications the entire story is built off it. It's the one big lie you are meant to suspend your disbelief for. When the story ends Tesla's duplicator disappears forever
>>218880215>contrarian: the postyikes>>218880196Interstellar is fun sci-fi with pretty great acting and visuals. It just gets cringe near the end with the love shit.Tenet I didn't watch because I'm racist. Seems terrible regardless.Odyssey I'll probably watch once it comes to streaming because the casting is pretty cringe. Can't tell anything else about it so far, but prognosis is bad based on the casting.
>>218915723>Maybe this is because I grew up in a post-Soviet country and I expected some glorification of scientists and astronauts in it.You need to go back to preddit.
Every Nolan movie is "Nolan does X genre but with signature barely coherent fantastical shit". Inception is "Nolan does heist movie", Interstellar is "Nolan does space movie", Tenet is "Nolan does Bond movie". Now we're gonna get either "Nolan does fantasy movie" or "Nolan does peplum". I'm not "hyped", but I think it will be interesting to see what bullshit he pulls this time.
>>218917740The "I hecking love science" stuff redditors like is not what I like. Just about the only thing I maybe agree on with them is Martian. It was good if not for the humor ("science the shit out of this" is cringeworthy).
>>218883234It's the complete opposite. It took everything good about the first (world building, aesthetic, atmosphere) and added the one thing it was missing - an actual plot
>>218905904Whether you’re applying it to foreknowledge or time travel, one sacrosanct, inviolable timeline remains idiotic for reasons I’ve already covered. Tell me - what force is compelling you into the street on Tuesday since there’s no other choice?
>>218917839That seems a simplification. Over half of Nolan's movies simply involve some sort of time manipulation, usually non-linear.Momento with memory and out of sequence. Inception with time dilation in a nesting doll dream.Interstellar with time dilation due to gravity.Tenet with whatever that movie did.Dunkirk from multiple perspectives covering different magnitudes of time that overlap.That's his shtick, though he isn't chained to it since he also does movies without like Batman, The Prestige, or Oppenheimer.It's not simply "barely coherent fantastical shit", it's much more focused and intentional even if mileage does vary on the success of his application. Also the coherence is usually simple, though Inception certainly has many inconsistencies with how gravity works.
>>218918132Thanks CallCenter-GPT
>>218918132I didn't see Memento. Tenet, obviously yes, Interstellar, yes. With Dunkirk and Inception I think you're really stretching it. > from multiple perspectives covering different magnitudes of time that overlap.If we're doing that I could sell most capeshit to you as doing "time manipulation" because it includes a lot of characters and different perspectives.Inception and Dunkirk I found very easy to follow. Interstellar was OK, the incoherence is not in the movie being confusing but in pulling bullshit worldbuilding about love and physics out of his ass. Tenet I didn't even try to understand, it seemed to make little sense on first pass and I couldn't be arsed to make an effort on the second so I just watched the explosions and shootouts instead.
>>218897092Oh, I know the movie is illogical and stupid. I’m also >>218885225. What I’m saying is that the core idea is intriguing, just not when applied to an absurdly singular, invariable timeline. It’s basically “What if Muad’dib but retarded?” The story I mentioned, among other things, is an exploration of consciousness, perception, and consensus reality, some of which is what “Arrival” ineptly attempts to explore. Another aspect of it is posing the question, “What if we’ve grown just knowledgeable enough to get in the way of our own evolution?”
>>218918689I can't think of any capeshit where one perspective touched on multiple times in the movie was literally just a portion of the time the other perspectives existed. That'd be like starting capeshit with the climax fight and cutting back to it every 20 minutes after doing background work. Also it's not the same as a flashback since it's sequences leading to a confluence and not just calling back to an isolated moment in time.Also capeshit sometimes includes time manipulation as well.
>>218879107So what movies do you people actually consider smart?
>>218897715 >>218897821 >Le plebbitCry more And try to speak without buzzwords you contrarian fucktard
>>218919381I think something like Sicario (the first one) is. Or e.g. Michael Clayton. If you want to just switch off your brain and watch a "feds murdering the cartel" or "shady lawyer solving problems" movie you can, if you want to be detached and analytical there is also enough meat to chew on there.
>>218898698>>218905188>Nolan is le badBaby's first contrarian opinion
It's all distraction and/or propaganda.
>>218917740Shut the fuck up
>>218919381Stalker?12 Angry Men?Other movies where nothing happens?Or maybe something like Dune which are narratively dense?
>>218919381>implying this board actually likes movies
>>218879107Every Nolan movie.
>>218919381Wierd esoteric shit that arent usually referenced by their english titles.
The Hurt Locker
It's 2026 and this board still suffers from reddit derangement syndrome lmao
>>218919700Holy shit what an original opinion! do you want a fucking medal?
>>218919639>12 Angry MenPeople make threads seething about this movie almost every day for being subversive Jewish propaganda
>>218919847It's ironic because this thread just reads like something from r/truefilm
>>218919574Well he's baby's first filmmaker so that works out nicely
>>218919995That's not Spielberg
Mother Darren Aronofsky
>>218881134>What's dumb about Inception? It's a pretty basic concept that dreams can change your perspective.Every dream has a bunch of dudes with guns as the "dream guards". I just had a dream last night where my wall was full of praying mantises catching ants. If its a dreamworld they're in where is the really surreal shit and weird transitions from one place to another?
>>218879107Anything by Nolan
>>218920126>look I said it again
>>218920091Oh holy shit. I hate this fucking movie so bad. Having seen it at the theater, though, I have to admit that its sound design was top notch.
>>218919943Joke's on you, I read truefilm and this board both. I usually post here more because the culture is more lax and nobody gets their panties in a twist if you are impolite or use an uncensored slur..
>>218879107Monty Python and the Holy GrailAnd that's a good thing
>>218920373How the fuck is Monty Python intellectual?
>>218920588Entire movie is a series of philosophical debates. It's modern-ish day dialogues of Plato.
>>218881134>>218920118every dream is an fps deathmatch where a bunch of dudes shoot at each other in some gray dull landscape. Even my least interesting dreams have more going on than that. Hell I bet dogs have more interesting dreams than the movie Inception
>>218888201Just look at the seething replies
>>218882324>Tenet is the most incomprehensible piece of shit ever. Not once is it ever explained what the fuck is happeningfiltered
>>218919381I consider a "smart" movie one that presents all the required information, but requires constants re-evaluatione.g Sixth SenseUsual SuspectsMementoThe Prestige
>>218902761>nietI needed a diagram and three viewings to figure out exactly what was going on in fucking 'Triangle' (2008). It's more fun figuring out all the details.Just your average kino has a lot of thought put into it over what is often years of preproduction. All the changes, improvements, details and shit added on each pass can make it so much better. Carruth just dials that shit up to 11 when it came to the actual time travel plot.Did he actually 'need' to have that faggot show up in the middle of the night from an orphaned timeline - the 'unknowable' consequence of what they were doing? Nope, but it's a cool detail. One aspect of some of the best sci-fi writers is they think things right through instead of just going to the next obvious step and stopping there.eg. We currently have AI and robots. That means at some point in the future you'd expect robots to be doing all the work. A short-sighted sci-fi writer will have 'cutesy' humanoid robots working at a carwash washing flying cars or whatever 2015 'Back to the Future' style. A more hard sci-fi writer who thinks multiple steps ahead will quickly realise:1. They probably wouldn't be humanoid, but having robots working at a carwash instead of humans would make carwashes very cheap, the results quick, and absolute perfection.2. But in that case, you wouldn't waste your time driving your car to the carwash because you have self-driving cars too. It would drive itself to get washed.3. It would automatically do it on your downtime like when you were sleeping, and obviously robotic carwashes would run 24/7/365 and not need a flashy 'retail' location.4. Wait a minute, if you have robots why wouldn't everyone just get their own home robot to wash their car?5. Therefore, there would be few, if any, street visible robot carwashes in the future.Same with smartfag Aron deducing the existence of the Failsafe and then using it to his advantage, etc. Completely different to gay Nolan bullshit.
>>218919381The Matrix
>>218880284It was good mystery/action slop
>the dumbest "intellectual" movie you've ever seenI couldn't much past the cinema scene... it was too excruciating. Nolan is the most hit or miss director in my life time... He's either Spielberg or Boll; with the latter seemingly exerting increasing gravitational pull on him as his career enters it twilight.
>>218895171Like he was behind her and the bullet would hit them both?
>>218879168>Schindlers ListThere was nothing intellectual about it -- all but the camp and character names were a fiction. If anything, Spielberg's FICTION (literally, what was on the book cover until after the film was released) was the opposite of fiction... even of dumb fiction.https://altcensored.com/watch?v=tJC7JEcr-vE
>>218879107Anything made by Ryan JohnsonEspecially Knives Out movies
>>218922563>the cinema sceneexcuse me?
>>218922890>Spielberg's FICTION (literally, what was on the book cover until after the film was released) was the opposite of fictionit was fact?
>>218922563> the cinema sceneDid you just watch the trailer? It's very prominently an opera, they even make a big deal out of it being an opera since parts of the movie are cribbed from the IRL Sator square.
>>218918021>Tell me - what force is compelling you into the street on Tuesday since there’s no other choice?Does there being no other choice mean you automatically get all knowledge of the circumstances?Watch That's So Raven if you need a kid show interpretation of what attempting to steer fate looks like
Buck Breaking
>>218879107that movie isnt really that intellectual its just a different take on what could happen if aliens came to earth, instead of the usual one where theyre just invading and want to take over which weve seen a thousand times
>>218879107The MatrixIt completely misunderstood the concept of what a Matrix is.If you read where the concept comes from, you'll find out there's no such thing as being "out of the Matrix". The Matrix is a conception of reality. You can only go from one Matrix to another.
>>218926098It's a failed attempt, yes.
>>218926345>schizo ramblingThe matrix is just the name of machines' VR program
>>218883298This is an anonymous image board you stupid fuck. Why would he care to seem like anything?
>>218879107Uh, Blade Runner probably. The whole movie is just "really stupid though poetic/emotional". Stuff that would get murdered/raped theoretically by Ted Bundy.
Nolan, Villenueve, and PTA suck. Inarritu as well. Face it.
>>218879407>worst movie i've ever seenwhat an ungodly trash opinion, like youve never seen the countless bad comedies, or action, or capeshits or romance or horror. Even throwing those out Pi is great, its thrilling, its well directed, the audio is great, the characters are entertaining, its classic schizo content. What are you some math fag triggered because theres no real math?
>>218880196>hype for odysseywhy would you be? everything we've seen makes it clear theyre going to bastardize it
>>218883574nothing based about missing a fun action movie with cutting edge visuals, even the way you talk is the opposite of based
>>218881347its just a good thriller retard, people like the dialogue and characters its not particularly regarded as some big intellectual movie
>>218911121>to get you a headachemaybe if you're sensitive, same kind of guy who can't see flashing lights
>>218919381Nightcrawler was smart for a modern movie
>>218919381Chinatown, or anything you can't le "turn your brain off and enjoy.">>218919506M Clayton yeah. Sicario? maybe.
>>218933386>Statham, Andre 3000 and Big Pussy>intellectualI don't belieb it.
>>218881797I criticized this movie and got a 3 day. I hate this movie
>>218909305Pi is a good movie. You just didn’t understand it. Contact is also good. You just have a bad taste.
The Eternal Jew
>>218885193Just clips of his films look like absolute dogshit. Like he's trying as hard as possible to convince every plebeian that his flicks are high art, so weird, so le artistic!!! Let's shave Emma Overrated Stone's head, and have her do and say weird things!! We'll have Plemons ride a bike, but, WITH a beard holy shit I'm fucking Picasso Shakespeare AAAAHH.what a faggot.
>>218918132>It's not simply... it's much moreDead LLM giveaway. Kill self.
>>218934447Seek professional help
>>218897473How do you explain that Bale sees the duplication at least twice, the corpse fools even Caine, and Jackman is crying at the end about not knowing which one he is going to be, tying up the whole theme of the movie about the cost one is willing to pay. You are smuggling in a twist that doesn't add anything valuable to the story, breaking its theme and creating new plotholes in the process.
>>218879107Annihilation. It's the retard's STALKER/A Roadside Picnic
>>218917944A plot that made zero sense and extrapolated on the dumbest interpretation of the original. Harrison Ford is also fucking terrible and brings the whole movie down.
>>218879107Tenet, Interstellar
>>218934775>Bale sees the duplication at least twiceNo, he never sees more than one live "Angier" at a time. >the corpse fools even CaineWhy wouldn't it? The whole point to the double was that it was convincing. He was shown a body that he was told was Angier, which was the right height, weight, age, looked like him, was wearing his clothes and was pale and waterlogged which probably made it even easier to confuse for a lookalike. Yeah, if he'd really taken a long hard look he probably would have noticed the difference but that's assuming he didn't just want to wash his hands of the whole thing and get it over with. He was told it was Angier and by all immediate superficial appearances it was so he said "yeah that's him." Not like he was going to take a DNA sample or something>Jackman is crying at the end about not knowing which one he is going to beSurely Liar McLiarson who has been lying the entire movie, wrote an entire fake diary just to fuck with Borden, built his entire act to trap and frame Borden, and Kidnapped Borden's daughter would totally spill his guts and reveal his deepest secrets with full honesty to the man he despised most in the world. I mean, it's not like the guy who spent the entire movie being deceitful, vengeful and manipulative would continue being deceitful, vengeful and manipulative or anythingAnd again, I cannot repeat this enough: >Now you're looking for the secret. But you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to work it out. You want to be fooled
>>218881797I feel like 90% of people who hate this film just fixate on the girlboss angle, which I always found to be an invalid criticism because we see them send in an all-male group first and it's stated explicitly in the film that they've tried everything at this point and the all-girl expedition is basically just them throwing shit at the wall. They explicitly discuss how they're all fucked up and therefore disposable and the chick in charge basically admits to giving no fucks because she's got cancer so to her it's kind of a suicide mission.If you just think the plot is dumb and don't like the premise in general or whatever then fine. But it gets too much hate just for being percieved wokeslop and I don't think that's what it is. I thought it had some problems but also some quality scenes. Manbearpig was creepy, dubstep alien was rad, and the doppelganger scene was intense. I thought the film really picked up in the second half after starting slow and appreciate the fact that it's a tight 2 hours instead of the typical bloat we see in a lot of sci-fi.
>>218879107Wag The Dog
>>218879107InterstellarBut this was also pretty dumb yeahBetter movie than Interstellar though
>>218939171Damn that's a good oneWhat a bucket of slopMy retard media professor made us watch that and Michael Moore's first slopaganda film where he brags about his grandfather and uncle being literal armed union terrorists and driving GE out of Flint, then grouses about Flint being a shithole now that GE is gone and goes around trying to "confront" the CEO and acts like he's "hiding" when he tries to meet him in person unannounced in the middle of a workday with a camera What a wigger.
>>218880372Eat shit faggot
>>218926345Filtered retard
>>218936152Anon, Bale first hears about the show. Then he sees the show. Then he sees another show and decides to investigate. So how many doubles would Jackman need just for that? And Caine knew the body double, he's worked with Jackman for years. He would recognize him.Again you are losing the main theme of the movie and adding plot holes by introducing a twist that has no point. Even if I accept your twist for a second, it doesn't change anything about the story, it doesn't make the movie better and is just a meta wank. You know what, come to think of it, Nolan is that kind of retard because this is "you're a big guy" level of retardation.
