>Does nothing wrong
>We should fly our ships in like an uhm.. triangle formation to beat them?>WOW YANG YOU ARE SO SMART PLEASE BECOME A DICTATOR AND OVERTHROW OUR GOVERNMENT>nah I like living in a corrupt government that tries to kill my girlfren
>>218895503I genuinely don’t understand what he was thinking. Did he think future historians would look back at him as principled and that his actions would inspire democratic reform? Why didn’t he just go full benevolent dictator? His plan instead was to let a foreign power conquer his homeland and retire to drink tea and brandy, on the off chance Reinhard’s government would have some sort of representative parliament
mecklinger has a 13" penis
>>218895686>Why didn’t he just go full benevolent dictator?Reinhard exists to answer this exact question.
>>218895503>what if we just like.... uhhh... flanked them>HOLY SHIT IN A 1000 YEARS OF WAR NO ONE HAS EVER THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE THIS MAN IS A ONE IN A MILLENNIA GENIUS
The empire made no sense theyre double the size of the alliance but 99% of the population are agricultural serfs in the empire, theyre like the old russia empire, the smaller alliance was 90% first world, no way irl the empire could win
>>218895686The whole point is that benevolent dictators lead to antagonistic dictators down the line. The order of preferable political systems is:>benevolent dictator>benevolent democracy.>corrupt democracy>corrupt dictatorYang understood that having a corrupt democracy is better for people long term.
>>218895434He got Kircheis killed and manipulated Reuenthal in to rebelling and getting killed just to have a more theoretically sensible distribution of power in the regime.Also all his le pragmatism falls apart when you consider basically any factor that isn't directly quantifiable. The Reinhard regime's heroic reputation and the general goodwill of the Imperial populace would have been instantly flushed down the shitter if the full truth of Westmorland ever got out, and trying to use Alliance political prisoners as hostages to draw out the Yang faction would also have been awful optics and do incalculable harm to the Lohengramm dynasty's reputation as a just government.
>>218895503
>>218895686His plan was to retire and drink spiked tea because he wanted to retire and drink spiked tea. Every justification he made for not seizing power was simply that, a justification. The only reason he didn't do it is that he did not want to. He never even wanted to be in the military, let alone any position of authority or responsibility within it. His whole master plan was to sleepwalk through an unremarkable tour of duty in order to scam the government in to paying for his history degree, and that plan backfired so spectacularly he ended up as the last best hope for saving democracy.
>>218895434even if letting the nobles nuke that planet advanced reinhard's objectives in the long run, oberstein still went ahead with the plan even after reinhard explicitly told him no. if he goes over his superior officer's head even once, what's to stop him from doing it two times? or five? or ten? this, plus him being partially responsible for kircheis' death, should have warranted summary execution or at the very least and court martial.
>>218895859Ok why didn’t HE become the benevolent dictator rather than Reinhard. He isn’t fully aware of his motivations nor what his heirs would be like. He could unify the galaxy, do a purge, and then trickle down reforms before retiring
>>218895878But democracy is like this as well, you vote for someone once every 4 year and they can do whatever they want.
>>218896021Because the person that comes after him would almost certainly be a corrupt dictator.
>>218895808>>218895503Yang is the perfect example of a "smart" person written by idiots.
>>218896013That isn’t really how dictatorships work, your subordinates will always be autonomous. They just need to be aligned with you >>218895863Which is why Reuenthal needed to go
>>218896074The implication would be that it would return to a democracy after his stint as dictator
>>218896149But it sets the precedent of dictatorship, leading to a future leader having an easier path to dictatorship.
Cast this shit. Go.
>>218896190No it doesn't. Just write a constitution that explicitly lays out what politicians can and can't do and then have everyone in the government sign it and immediately step down and hold elections.
>>218896190As opposed to a monarchy where democratic reform would be at the whim of the monarch and council? In a dictator -> democracy scenario the implication would be that autocracy must give way to democracy, rather than the other way around
>>218896149It never works this way.See the entire history of Rome.
>>218896013>oberstein still went ahead with the plan even after reinhard explicitly told him noIt should be noted that this was exclusive to the OVAs only. In the original novels and most other adaptations, Reinhard agrees with Oberstein. This in turn justifies Kircheis's anger towards him, because he not only allowed it to happen, he condoned it.
>>218896316A modern democracy with universal suffrage is different from ancient Rome. Nevertheless, a dictator -> democracy scenario would have more potential for lasting democratic reforms than trusting that Alexander von Lohengramm will be nice
>>218896316It did work that way for the entire history of the roman republic, and the dysfunction of the republic government that led to it being torn down and replaced by a monarchy was totally unrelated to the practice of dictatorship; it was caused by the oligarchy of the senatorial class who had become obscenely wealthy at the direct expense of the middle class turning most of them in to state dependent urban poor preventing reforms that would have fixed that problem because it would have directly hurt their pocketbooks.
He's literally me
>>218896730Reuenthal winning and restoring Erwin Josef II would’ve been a pretty kino ending
>>218896302The thing is that the free planets alliance hasn’t had a dictator in its entire history. Yang is making an argument for the strength of democracy because he knows long term it will be better for humanity.
>>218896843Reuenthal and his psycho wife that wants to murder him as the power behind the throne of a mummified corpse?
>>218896906Ok but the FPA was on course to lose to an autocratic regime, which vindicates autocracy, as it suggests democracy will eventually grow weak and die. Whereas if Yang became a dictator and founded the FPA again it implies a democratic framework should always be reverted to even after autocracy. Whereas under the Lohengramm dynasty democratic reforms could go ahead or be repealed whenever
>>218896907Erwin Josef escaped
>>218896907it's revealed toward the end that EJII is still alive and that corpse was just some rando stolen from the morgue. though this is testimony from one person who may or may not be blowing smoke up the empire's ass
What was his plan again?
>>218897197Be Jewish.
>>218897197Is the Terran Cult more significant in the novels because it just felt bizarre in the OVA
>>218897032What that could also suggest that autocracy is always stronger than democracy. Yang wants his society to avoid the argument entirely.
>>218895686It's a lot more clear in the light novels. Yang is a Hegelian, he believes in Pre-Marxian dialectics. To his mind, Lohengramm represents the benevolent dictator option, so he must represent something different but positive in order to encourage a positive synthesis. If it were just a choice between two benevolent dictators, then the only future outcome could be dictatorship, but if the contest is between a benevolent dictator and a corrupt democracy, you could synthesize a benevolent democracy out of that.>>218895846Also explained much more clearly in the books, the Empire has hyper-industrialized areas, but they're kept out of sight because the aristocracy hates looking at it, Odin is all quaint agrarian idyllic living because that's the aesthetic they want on the Capital. They do have tons of serfs, but that just means that they have infinite manpower to staff their ships. The Alliance by contrast has an accident early in the series where a missile factory explodes, and every single person killed is legally a child because they don't have enough adults to work in the factories because of the war.The Imperials are at a natural advantage because they have deep reserves of superfluous agrarian manpower that they can throw away without hurting their industrial base. Farm peasants can't rebel against the space empire, but they can be drafted to fight for it, it's a security measure.
how do you even ask for another LOTGHjust give me 1000 more episodes of long form victorian space kino before i die please and thank you
>>218897197Rubinsky's plan was to help the Empire win, but to first establish Phezzanland itself as the galactic financial sector. The Empire would rule politically, but Phezzan would control the economy. In his mind, he wasn't actually fucking Lohengramm over here, it was only because his agents (his idiot son mostly) got too uppity and Lohengramm recognized him as a threat that they came into conflict at all.
>>218896907Jesus Christ she's hot.
>>218897279To different extremes though, the Galactic Empire is an autocracy, with a different language and customs, which even if reformed into a light constitutional monarchy would diverge significantly from the old FPA. Whereas dictator Yang’s new democratic state would have significant continuity with the old FPA where democratic institutions are still revered, nominally. A democratic state would still be the ideal, a democratic framework should always be reverted to even in periods of autocracy, which is not the case under the Lohengramms
>>218897197His plan was to play 5d chessHe didn't actually know how or have any objective but he sure could sit around looking like an evil mastermind drinking old fashioneds
>>218897401Are the novels worth reading?
>>218895434fagfood for OPs, chadfood for anons
>>218897678Yes, they're much more in-depth and the translation is really good. They were doing an audiobook series but stopped at like book 5 for some reason, which sucks, but the novels are all translated and the paperbacks are cheap.
>>218896075oberstein is a well written "smart" character. yang just comes off as dumb because his character is warped to fit an ideology that is inherently stupid. since democracy is just ruled by money. more insidious than authoritarianism.
>>218897844They actually talk about that. It's not that Yang is dumb, or even idealistic, it's that he believes that the Empire will eventually win, but that compromising democracy to delay that victory will result in the Empire being more tyrannical when it ultimately triumphs. By sticking to his guns he creates a sort of antithesis to Lohengramm so that future generations will look at both of them as heroes and try to emulate both instead of just trying to emulate Lohengramm.Of course this might not be realistic but it is a realistic motivation. His being super good at strategy is also less a matter of him being a genius and more a matter of him being really good at choosing subordinates and delegating tasks (something he shares with Lohengramm.)
>>218897032>Ok but the FPA was on course to lose to an autocratic regime, which vindicates autocracy, as it suggests democracy will eventually grow weak and die.That would be a reasonable conclusion if they had started on equal terms, but they did not start on equal terms.The Empire had a head start of hundreds of years, it's no wonder that they had thousands more ships and millions more soldiers. You're not seeing Stronger System > Weaker System, you're seeing Bigger Number > Smaller Number.
>>218898127The old Empire died though, Reinhard is proposing his new reformed dynasty in the face of the FPA. A Reinhard victory is the victory of a new constitutional monarchy, which could be construed as a balance between the two systems, overwhelming a weaker purely democratic state.
I love this show so much it's unreal. It's not perfect but I love it so much bros.Kokoro wo sumase mimi sumaseKimi no tabidachi no jokyokuKiite miyou...
>>218898421All the old ships and all the old soldiers didn't disappear into a black hole. Reinhard didn't win by having a stronger system, Reinhard won by having more ships and more people.Even before Amlitzer, the Empire had an advantage that the Alliance was never going to be able to overcome. Even if Amlitzer had never happened, the Alliance would still have fallen once the Empire finally has someone in charge who is willing to bypass Phezzan.
I've made it a habit to make webms of the epilogues when the instrumental outro keeps playing with the episode still continuing for 2 minutes more but they have sound. Thanks, hiroshimoot for still not adding it to /tv/.
>>218898520It's a huge inspiration for me. I got into writing because LOGH gave me faith that there was still a market somewhere for good space opera. What blows my mind is that we don't have more stuff like it. Also, serious paucity of vidya with that vibe.
>>218898699Operas are niche, space operas even moreso. It costs a fortune to draw a niche crowd and because we as a society have allowed greed to flourish over artistry this is the situation we have to live with now.
>>218898766>we should nuke planets for the greater good but eugenics is bad
>>218898553The Empire had always had a free route to invade the Alliance at Iserlohn. The real reason it never destroyed the FPA until the series is that there wasn't really any reason to do so. The FPA existing was actually quite convenient to the Empire, it gave political undesirables a place to fuck off to instead of stinking up the cities and universities with demonstrations for reform. Gray market trade through Phezzan made a lot of businessmen rich and made plenty of aristocratic officials even richer getting paid to look the other way. The FPA's resources weren't anything special and it's not like there weren't plenty of empty star systems to exploit if they needed to expand. And the FPA was too small to be an actual threat, especially with Iserlohn fortress and the well developed and defended planet of Phezzan sitting on the two chokepoints between them.Things could have and probably would have continued with on-again off-again minor border wars for many more centuries if not for Yang capturing Iserlohn and the rise of Reinhard playing Alexander the great and wanting to conquer for the sake of conquest.
>>218898943Yes, eugenics is bad you fucking troglodyte. How do you even equate the two?
>>218898969>noooo you have to allow the propagation of crippling hereditary diseases that will ruin the lives of children born with them because... because... YOU JUST HAVE TO OKAY!!!
>>218899011Explains why you're here with us, unfortunately.
>>218899037concession excepted
>>218898943>We shouldn't have a civil war in the first place, but since we're going to have a civil war anyway here's how we can convince the enemy to surrender sooner rather than later.
>>218899076By killing innocent civilians?
>>218898969I never made a moral judgement on eugenics
>>218898520it's not perfect but it's the best anime of all time. It's Japan's epic
>>218899147The soldiers are drafted, not enlisted, so the soldiers are also innocents. 2 million innocents died, 20 million innocents were saved by the civil war ending early.Are you familiar with the trolley problem? Oberstein did not launch the trolley, you know.
If only Kircheis were here to save 4chan..
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>>218898943The planet getting nuked saved millions of lives long term:
>>218899359>>2188993884chan ate my fucking image somehow
>>218897826>Yes, they're much more in-depthThis is true.>the translation is really goodThis is not. It's okay for the most part, but it makes a bunch of MTL-tier mistakes and jumbles stuff up. They should have gotten a proper translator on it instead of their usual bottom barrel trannylator trash.>the novels are all translatedOnly for the main series. None of the gaiden novels or shorts are translated.
So was he gay for the red headed boy?
>>218899274>Are you familiar with the trolley problem?Wow, no I wasn’t, thanks.
>>218899484Kircheis or the one who was sent by the Earth cult to put untraceable amounts of poison in his coffee?
>>218899556Is there actually any evidence for that
>>218899484I think Reinhardt may have harboured some repressed romantic feelings for Siegfried at most. Honestly I get the feeling he wanted Siegfriend and his sister and himself in a weird, incestous-gay relationship.
>>218899602No but it's true.It's just very obviously what happened.
>>218898943It's literally just because he would've been killed under the eugenics law, Oberstein wouldn't care otherwise. His selfishness is understandable.
>>218899471Maybe my standards are just now because I've read many worse translations, I thought they were fine. Also they didn't troon anyone or have anyone talking in zoomer slang, so it's automatically a step above the people who localize anime.
>>218896075not really they just didn't know how or have the budget to have space battles so they said it's this way because of signal jammers
>>218900933Why can't they just go around Iserlohn
>>218895434I've watched all of it and thought it was just fine. it's far from a masterpiece really.
>>218895434this show wasn't as good as i thought it would be
>>218901059Corridors have narrow walls made up of... uh... hey, look over there!
>>218895434He got Kircheis killed.
>>218901151>>218901152
>>218901059because it's basically 19th century warfare in space
>>218900830I dropped it as soon as I watched them wheel an entire fleet to turn it around instead of having the individual ships just pivot. Literally basic boot camp marching is beyond them.
>>218898520>mfw no cute tomboy gf
Why did the German inspired faction have all the Nordic mythos and names in it?
>>218895686It's not said outright but Yang clearly didn't believe he had it in him to be a dictator, on top of being uncomfortable with the whole thing. If he had taken over after the NSMC coup then he would have had to send dissidents to their deaths, give himself even more responsibility and work, and when Reinhard invaded he'd have to fight until one of them was dead. For a laid-back guy who just wants to retire and live in peace none of that is attractive.
>>218898943>Use overwhelming force. Use too much, and deliberately use too much. Through this, you end the fighting early, and save the lives of fighting men, both yours and the enemy.
>>218899071>exceptedESL detected
>>218901353When ships are facing away from you, it's harder to hit them (smaller profile). When ships are in the process of turning, it's easier to hit them (larger profile). If you don't want to get hit then don't expose your flank to enemy fire.
His whole thing with Reuenthal and the secret police guy made no sense. If he really only cared about the state why would he start a giant civil war for no reason?
>>218895434Test
>>218901430Genuinely just in-universe larping. The first Emperor of the Empire loved that shit, and all the nobles started copying him to win his favor, and the larping has stuck ever since.
>>218901654Reuenthal was ambitious and would threaten the regime. Imagine if Reuenthal was still around during the regency for Reinhard’s kid
>>218896021Because he thought Reinhard was doing as good as or better than the job he would have been able to do. He says this multiple times.
The thing I dislike the most about this show is how everyone in the entire universe worships Yang like some kind of 300IQ Jesus figure because he applied basic formations in a fight.
>>218901705Americans watch this and go "haha wow fuck everyone else but us"
>>218901790Reinhard is a foreign conqueror who wants to absorb his state
>>218896316https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_CincinnatusAlso the reason why a bunch of places in the US are named after him.
>>218901726yea but he provoked the worst case scenario into existence when it might never have happened
>>218902022Americans are aware America is going to implode, likely in their lifetimes.
>>218897475I think the only thing that could rival it is a long form Napoleonic Wars drama, with a sequel series covering the 19th century until WWI.
>>218901923It's supposed to be genius and unconventional but there's no way to make it make sense so they just keep it simple
>>218901726Assuming he was together with Mittermeyer and nobody was poking him with a stick going 'come on rebel you traitor do it pussy you won't', nothing would go wrong because Reuenthal was a certified bro.
>>218901059Supply lines. It's an impenetrable fortress with a fleet inside that will jump you as soon as you turn your back.
>>218901923They wanted Napoleonic War in space. In reality, with the tech in the series, it would have made more sense to avoid big fleets and just bomb the fuck out of enemy planets.
>>218902422No, they should just adapt the entirety of Roman history
>>218902417I dunno, half their country seems to be under a very different delusion.
>>218902484He literally instigated a civil war because of his pride, he was a loose canon, and crucially a very skilled one
>>218901654Because having two high admirals of equal prestige and renown with equal sized forces at the top of the military both answerable only to the emperor is a recipe for disaster due to factionalism, and that kind of factionalism destroyed like 99% of historical military juntas just like theirs. The fact that the two of them were pals for life who'd never fight each other didn't enter into Oberstein's calculation because he was an autist.
>>218902650Mittermeyer and Reuenthal have totally different personalities. Just look at their partners. Mittermeyer would never rebel, while Reuenthal definitely had ambitions which were quelled because of his background and self-hate
>>218902575And a big part of the pride angle was that the kaiser was the worthiest adversary in the universe. Rebelling against a baby and a benevolent widowed empress-regent and forcing his best friend to fight him would be severely beneath his dignity.
>>218902810It’s not the fact that he would rebel, but he would most definitely nurture whether intentionally or not his own faction in the military which would essentially be totally loyal to him. He would be a big dog which a lot of veterans would look to.
>>218902981Uh, yeah? That's literally the whole Lohengramm dynasty's regime. It was founded by a military coup of young officers with personally loyal troops.
>>218903054… and Oberstein wanted to prevent that happening to the Lohengramm dynasty
>>218903136No he didn't, that was just how the Lohengramm dynasty worked. His main concern was preventing infighting, first by getting rid of Kircheis who was obviously treated better and placed above his nominal peers, and then by getting rid of Reuenthal because as I said he was equal to Mittermeyer in pretty much every way, there was no hierarchy there, and if they were to butt heads it could devolve in to civil war. That wouldn't actually happen, especially to the extent of them deploying troops against each other, but Oberstein had the tism and viewed everything as a numbers game.
>>218903858What exactly is your point here? The rise of the Lohengramm dynasty was essentially a cult of personality around Reinhard, which created bitterness in Reuenthal. Oberstein wanted to prevent infighting to ensure the new regime remained stable, so he culled Reuenthal, who was emotionally unstable and unpredictable, and whose ambitions for the top job were only tempered by his traumatic upbringing and self-loathing. If he didn’t get rid of Reuenthal, then after Reinhard dies he would become extremely powerful in the regency, and would develop a very powerful and loyal faction in the military. He may indeed never rebel, but this complication was not needed. Mittermeyer, on the other hand, had almost the polar opposite personality to Reuenthal, and was content with his position and family life.
I'm watching Ashita no Joe 2 and the first 11 episodes are just a remake of the last part of the first show, that's quite scammy.Posting it here cause /a/ hates real anime and I have nowhere else to go that's not filled with gays
>>218895503>oh wow i was about to lose, thanks god a galatic storm just appeared out of nowhere and destroyed your fleet
>>218896037How fucking old are you? You vote for the guy who comes to change shit, a miracle he wins, he has no congresspeople, cant pass laws, they can impeach him if they dont like him, dont aprove budget, make a tranny federal jew stop any law or change you implement, Make lawfare out nof every fucking change he makes.What country are you living in where one candidate can win the elections and change stuff, real stuff?Even emergency powers are limited and get into federal judges all the time. You need to at least win several elections in a row to have a chance to change anything.
>>218897250They seem to be this vatican/jewish like organization that controls everything but they literally just have a couple politicians bought and some molotovs. Venezuela tier masterminds. Quite a letdown.
>>218897250it felt like an asspull to change the Phezzan plot which would have been fine with them just being regular space Jews
>>218895434He did plantubod things wrong.But was absolutely correct in terms of the outcomes.
>>218897197He wanted to see what side would win.Then was laying groundwork to control the winning side's economy
ANONS!you must choose:
>>218908433The Imperial regent without questionYang’s relationship with his wife seemed a bit unhealthy
>>218907778Why did Oberstein crash their wedding like that
>>218908337surely it would be far easier to control a galaxy unified by the FPA than the empire
>>218897250>it just felt bizarre That was the point I think. Saying cults and terrorists like that ultimately don't achieve anything and are just weird blemishes on history.
The OVA is incredibly good..... for an anime.
>>218900830Thank god space is 2 dimensional! Thank you jesus!
>>218898567/Wsg/ is a slow board and needs your support.
>>218900830The craziest thing about the space battles is the death toll. Millions are killed PER BATTLE. How many people are packed on those ships? Can you imagine just being a janitor on one of those?
>>218895434Go back to /a/
What do people think of the Gaiden?
>>218909665There's usually tens of thousands of ships per battle, and hundreds if not thousands on each of those. If we're generous and say crew sizes are around a thousand, then losing even a thousand ships from ten thousand is already a million dead. I think something like 30 million people were lost from the alliance invasion.
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>>218910477Go back tranny
>>218895859This
>>218909865>>218910504BOT post.
>>218909114Well idk, he was a retarded.
>>218909665The battleships are over a kilometer long, and there are thousands of them. Aircraft carriers are way smaller and have crews in the thousands each. So every time one of those ships explodes it could be several thousand men dying.
>>218902022Japan and Poland can stay, the rest of you are dogs.
>>218909114In the books the leader of Phezzan lays out the plan pretty clearly, his reasoning is that the aristocracy is disinterested in economics and finance as long as they get to have parties and big palaces, so the ideal situation is that the Empire wins, and then essentially delegates out fiscal matters to Phezzan. He draws a comparison to some Mongolian client-people who did the same thing--which is really funny because it's also a 1:1 Asian allegory for the Jews. I can't tell if this was a joke by the writer or if it's deliberate and he just didn't want to be too on the nose, but the guy's name is fucking Rubinsky. They might as well have named him Shlomo Goldblatstein.
>>218896075I think this is unfair. Yang doesn't pull any ridiculous trap card antics at any point in the story, his tactics are all pretty simple and his accomplishments are mostly stuff like avoiding total annihilation or improvising a competent withdrawal from his retarded superiors' fuckups. The actual tactics are sort of goofy but the way war is done in the show is goofy, it's meant to resemble the kind of fighting you read of in Romance of the Three Kingdoms or other Chinese military dramas--which is what LOGH is actually based on.List of Yang Wenli's accomplishmentsTiamat: Tries a straw soldier tactic, fails, has to take Reinhard hostage to escape.Astarte: Fails to convince Command not to split the fleet up to do a pincer attack when they already have numerical superiority. Saves the rest of the fleet by forcing Reinhard to choose between a big stupid mudfight where everyone dies or merely winning the battle.Iserlohn: Sends an elite unit of Imperial expats into the fort to avoid having to fight it directly.Amritser: Gets the living shit kicked out of him because again Command are retards but organizes an effective retreat.Doria: Kills the same idiots who lost every battle against Reinhard by luring them into a trap.Heinessen: Nukes a defensive network the Phezzanese designed with an obvious weakness that the FPA bought anyway because they're idiots.Iserlohn 2 Electric Boogaloo: Enemy throws a fortress at literal Iserlohn, Yang shoots it.Vermillion: Loses.Iserlohn 3: Tricks the garrison into leaving playing off of their paranoia of falling for the same trick twice, takes Iserlohn with same group of Imperial commandos.Iserlohn 4 Corridor: Kicks the shit out of Bittenfeld whose job it is to fall into obvious traps.And then he gets shot in the leg by some guy.
Didn't he destroy an entire planet full of people
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why do we not have more shows like thisanime OR live actionjust give me the space opera
>>218896037>>218905713Every form of government is just feudalism with extra pomp - dig deep enough into anywhere from US corporate law to the the charter of the CCP and you find the divine right of kings.Direct democracy is the only real alternative to feudalism, and anyone in the past two millennia who's ever whined and moaned about mob rule has a throbbing erection for putting their bloodline on the throne or serves someone who does. If people are too stupid for democracy, why kid yourself into believing a representative chosen from amongst them is less of a retard than you?
>>218916929The OVA was a passion project which took a decade to complete
>>218917743Mob rule tho
>>218897197Anon, he is jewish
>>218895434Are the newer series/OVAs any good? I appreciate old handdrawn animation but I can't get over the sword and axe fighting in zero-G.
>>218900933hyperlanes, not warp-drive
>>218901059There are no stars in a warp distance. The Orion Arm and Sagittarius Arm are the bands of stars in the Milky Way. FPA is closer to the galactic core. The corridors are such because there is a line of stars to use for warping. The OVA adds some weird dangerous no-go boundaries to the corridors, for some reason.
>>218895878Fucking hypocrite Yang
>>218902245All Roman history from before Brennus burned Rome down, can be regarded as fictional. The later Romans might have believed it, but they were always going on about the good old days when everyone was still honorable.>>218896568The office of temporary dictator was baked into the system of the Republic and was used quite a lot when Rome was still a regional Italian power, mostly as a panicked solution to give a capable man military command and drive the enemy away from the gates.That practice stopped around the second Punic war, when Rome got so big, the short term appointment wasn't long enough to reasonably complete an overseas military campaign, and armies began to be led by pro-magistrates, rather than current office holders.So yes, the last legal dictator was appointed long before the republic began to fall apart
>>218919726>All Roman history from before Brennus burned Rome down, can be regarded as fictional.No
>>218916007I like the way the OVA depicted things. Lightspeed instakill weapons at distances of several lightseconds effectively reverted warfare to napoleonic formations in space. The tactics, despite >muh semicircle tards do work in that context. And there is still 3d warfare from time to time, it's not all happening on a flat plane.
>>218909081He was told to report any matter related to security in the former FPA territories immediately regardless of the circumstances. He probably should have learned from the guy who told dubya about 9/11 though.
>>218895859ALL political systems lead to a dictator eventuallyANYTHING that lasts long enough eventually becomes corrupted especially when its something that deals with power.
>>218901310... Gavin?
>>218902186the FPA were a bunch of disgusting rebels that fled from the empire and was filled with NIGGERS.
>>218916007>Vermillion: Loses.Yang beat him tactically, but as always the strategic situation prevented him from actually making a difference.
On episode 20-something and want to avoid spoilers, but I'll assume it's a good thread.I'm taking my time only watching a few episodes a week. Love it.>>218921994
>>218922533You should really get out of the thread, it's not impossible to enjoy with spoilers but might as well get the full impact.
>>218922533Yeah, leave the thread now, come back when you've finished. No major spoilers here yet, I think, but it's best to avoid them all the same, at least until Why would you even read this, stop it now.
>>218913269radical
>>218913269>>218924222I really hope this webm tricks people in to watching an anime that's 99% people sitting around having tea and discussing the geopolitical situation of the galaxy and how they personally will deal with their mundane responsibilities within it.
>>218924376>that's 99% people sitting around having tea and discussing the geopolitical situation of the galaxy and how they personally will deal with their mundane responsibilities within it.99% talk 1% action is totally fine, especially when it's compelling and the action is consequential.
>>218924552The action is consequential in that there's never a battle that doesn't change the situation and advance the plot or develop the characters involved, but dummies always complain that it isn't fully realistic and extremely detailed 3d spacefleet battles even though the show clearly isn't about that.
>>218897197>(((Rubinsky)))How did they get away with this?
>>218924376If a man can't enjoy a good character driven narrative with occasional set pieces that shake things up then what good is he!
>>218924867The same way Tomino got away with thishttps://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Melanie_Hue_Carbine#Notes_&_Trivia
>>218914714some jews are rubinskys but not all rubinskys are jews
I love Oberstein
>>218921560Logh ships look weak but are very broken shit.Like, star wars destroyers shot range is up to 100k km, logh ships fight at 30 million km, this is not even about the insane distance but the ability to land hits.
>>218901152True. It’s very simplistic and the battles are lacking in any meaningful sense.
>>218895434>didn't accidentally the catamitewelp
>>218928120That's a huge failing of his supposed genius Machiavellian character. Even if there's no proof at all that little fuccboi was a plant, a perfect mini-Kircheis dropping in to Reinhard's lap was way too convenient a coincidence to ignore. He should have at least taken steps to get him away just as a precaution. He certainly did worse to people who were way less suspicious.
>>218926638It's not about the battlesthis is not DBZ in space even if it has all the same voice actors.
>>218925993They're huge, they have a range measured in light-minutes, and there are fucking loads of them. The Battle of Vermillion had something like 55,000 warships. The Late Imperial Battleships had a crew of about 800, while the Carriers had something like 1800 men aboard including flight crews and such.By contrast, the jamming and countermeasures of the setting are so advanced that they have to essentially fight like units of musketeers, grouped up into blocks where they can remain in communications with laser-comms because otherwise the wouldn't be able to do IFF and would end up shooting each other. This is also why any complex maneuver is treated like a big deal, because you have to be able to do it with minimal communications within the fog of war. The audience gets to see what's going on more clearly.
>>218895878>Several corrupt men scattered in multiple places is better than one corrupt man who can only be in one place at a time.Stupid. Best part of a dictator is that only one head needs to roll to change the government. Ironic that Yang himself was assassinated, proving this point.
>>218928451Reinhard dying at that moment was actually the best thing that could’ve happened to the dynasty
The anime never explained why the empire was so much larger in terms of population during the reign of the first emperor compared to when Reinhard took over. Do the books go into more detail about the population decline?
>>218897197His plan was to keep all his options open for as long as possible, not to follow any definite course.
>>218908433The important difference is that Yang's wife pursued him, whereas Reinhard's wife was pursued by Reinhard.Always choose the woman who chases you over the woman you have to chase.
>>218930424Grow up
Hildegard was actually an intellectual equal and a matriarch, while Yang’s wife developed as obsessive crush on him as a child, which made their relationship very awkward
>>218930287I assume they expanded the territory by terraforming planets so the population, mostly peasants, got spread out.
>>218930480Is this an argument?
>>218896730>>218896907It's entirely justified given his personality and feelings, but his "betrayal" arc always felt contrived.
>>218898520reminder the entire galaxy ends up being ruled by two women if only for a while
>>218901465Remember when designers could come up with designs that actually somehow looked distinct despite most of the cast wearing uniforms AND without going into crazy accessories.
>>218930287The decline of birthrates IRL has more to do with solving the mortality problems that incentivize high birthrates. Basically we don't have data of a feudal society with modern medicines, but we are still learning that Medieval society was much more functional than what 20th century movies told us. If many of their problems are just solved, feudal people end up with similar reproductive success as we have today. This explains why the Empire's population remained stable.What you really ask about is a large amount of death. There's several things going on that make the numbers drop in time for Reinhard:1) Rudolf Goldenbaum deliberately genocided people unfit for his society. Purges were carried at least as far as the fourth emperor.2) As >>218931096 says, spreading the population density thin also reduces birthrates.3) Exiles after Arle Heinessen. Anyone who was not fit for the Empire's standards, or political opposition, flees out to the Sagitarrius Arm. This is why the FPA could grow so fast in 200 years, a significant portion of the FPA are immigrants. Rosenritter stays replenished because there are always 2nd generation Imperials with relevant knowledge of the Empire.4) MY speculation is that nobles have an incentive to lie about their estates. Peasants under many aristocrats, like Braunschwieg and Littenheim, would be kept in a deliberate ignorance about the greater empire. It's easy for an aristocrat to lie that his planet has 20 million people instead of 30 million people. This enables human trafficking, bypass taxation thresholds, or surprise adversaries with hidden strengths. Reinhard would only know the official, deflated number, not the actual number.>>218930980Yang must have realized Reinhard has Hildegard. It's extremely rare for a tyrant conquerer to have a politically progressive wife. Reinhard's son would have a dowager capable of keeping the dictatorship a benevolent one.
>>218930287It does explain that, the rise of the Goldenbaums and their sycophants as the new aristocracy also involved killing or enslaving or sterilizing countless billions of people. People don't talk too much about it because it was obviously heavily suppressed information afterward. It's why there's only one black guy in the whole fucking galaxy.
>>218931839Pretty sure that was just because gooks aren't fond of putting nigs in their animus, they just want themselves and northern euros
>>218931448Not so much when you realize that after defeating the FPA, the entire military became a bunch of guard dogs with nothing greater to do. Reuental absolutely would chose to die in battle rather than just drink himself to death during 30 years of peace.
>>218931488I can accept it since both have autism.
Didn’t the historian say the Galactic Federation had 300 billion people while the Galactic Empire today only had ~25 billion?
>>218901923Well yeah you compare him to the inbred imperial nobles or Reinhard's "hurrr durrr moar troops bigger number win" shit he looks like he's operating on another plane of existence
>>218930275Reinhard died because he was literally built different. Built to conquer and fight battle after battle. Remember how fucking bored he was when they defeated the FPA the first time? He couldn't stand the dullness of it all and only got his groove back when war was back on the menu.His dream was always to die in battle, living through 50 years of peace would've been pure torture to him.
>>218930287I suspect someone just put an extra 0 somewhere by accident.
>>218932787he died because that little freak emil was putting trace amounts of some kind of phezzani undetectable poison in his coffee lmao
>>218909665I actually always felt awkard how low were the numbers for space fairng warfare. Like when they nuked a planet or smth and only 2m people died. Which is a lot, but small when you consider how huge population numbers must be in a colonized galaxy.
>>218932992I'd expect a lot of planets to be backwaters, especially in the Empire. Agricultural planets where there's scarcely 1 person per 5 square kilometers and it's nothing but crop fields, the occasional farm complex with barracks and storage for the giant harvesters and other equipment, and the infrastructure to export food offworld. And then here and there a planet that's actually a major administrative center with billions upon billions of people on it.
>>218913269This scene was so good, especially the part where they talk about how politicians like Trunicht never experience the carnage.
>Moreover, the total population of humanity, which had numbered three hundred billion at the height of the Galactic Federation's prosperity, had by this time plummeted to forty billion, due to the long years of chaos.>The distribution was twenty-five billion living in the empire, thirteen billion in the Free Planets, and two billion in Phezzan.So the population of humanity is 13% of what is was at the height of the Galactic Federation. I don’t think constant war can account for that so there must be a big birthrate problem
>>218933233If Trunicht isn't a deciding argument against democracy, I don't know what is.
>>218933255The black fucking didn't decimate our numbers that much. I am guessing the author did that to balance the factions. Otherwise he would either be forced to describe how several hundred billion people migrated with Heinessen or how explain why the FPA is any issue at all when they have a fraction of the Empire's population.
>>218930287The Empire lacks political and economic freedom, so large portions of the population are essentially medieval peasants but with better technology and presumably just enough education to use it. Farmers are the most likely people to have children because children are more hands you can put to work on the farm, rather than the expensive moving furniture that they are for urbanoids.This advantages the Empire because they're also the class of people least likely to rebel against your space empire, and they're a renewable supply of manpower for the military. The disadvantage is that they have more people, but they're far less urbanized and thus you're less likely to find and pluck exceptional individuals out of the masses as the Alliance does.Also, the Empire wasn't founded yesterday, whereas the whole Alliance coreward of the Iserlohn Corridor is descended from 160,000 people from one improvised starship 170 years ago.
>>218933378*black fucking plague
>>218933388>Also, the Empire wasn't founded yesterday, whereas the whole Alliance coreward of the Iserlohn Corridor is descended from 160,000 people from one improvised starship 170 years ago.there's also a constant influx of dissidents and criminals from the empire.
>>218933439True, but I don't know what percentage that is, I have to assume the Empire doesn't just let such people leave of their own volution most of the time, so only the ones who can pay off the Phezzanese can do it.
>>218933471>I have to assume the Empire doesn't just let such people leave of their own volution most of the timeWhat real incentive is there to stop them? They don't seem to have a manpower problem and since most people live as serfs they don't even need hateful undesirables to do the dangerous resource extraction jobs in prison colonies, they can just move in indentured peasants to do it and probably need less security.
>>218897475You should watch Rose of Versailles, Anon, it will do you some good.
>>218933388How has the galactic empire artificially adopted an agrarian serf society when its technology is far beyond that? You would need to consciously deny farmers things like modern fertiliser which doesn’t make any sense
>>218933784They can obviously still have shit like fertilizer but can even the imagine the upfront and maintenance cost that would accrue if every planet had high tech cities covering it left front and centre?
>>218933835I think it would be impossible for modern fertiliser to be widespread, and this is the future so they presumably developed even more efficacious fertiliser, and maintain a pre-industrial agrarian serf economy. A tiny tiny fraction of farmers would produce such a superabundance of food to make the entire thing unfeasible
>>218933934An entire agricultural planet had 2 million people on it. Either the vast majority of the planet was fallow or they were using machines. There might be some high aristocrat controlled larp planets where they make people grow food by hand with pre-industrial technology because they view people as toys, but they definitely aren't supporting the 25 billion people of the empire that way.
>>218933934Even if you had a small amount of planets supplying the food for the rest, would it really be worth it to ship through half the galaxy every few days? It's much easier to have 90% of planets food independent and then ship excess produce to the admin and production centers.Other anons also mentioned how billions of farmers are never gonna be a threat to the guys with the spaceships. If, however, you turn every 10th planet into fucking Coruscant, the whole situation becomes really unstable and extremely expensive.
>>218933102That does make a lot of sense for that specific scenario. The farm episodes pretty much showed how crop planets were low in population, yet I feel the author was shy with the numbers for battles and faction populations (considering tech levels and so). >>218931836 has some satisfactory explanations, tho some seem to be speculative.
>>218895686>Why didn’t he just go full benevolent dictatorbecause hes just some ordinary guy trying fighting for what he belives in a democratic goverment working on the consent of the people and not the second coming of Napoleon and Alexander the great rolled into one like Reinhard is Unlike Reinhard he isnt some once in a lifetime super genius that can solve all problems in the world once he is in power he just read about history and nows exactly what stage of decay the fpa is in right now and how its almost inevitablygonna fallHe has no idea how to even lead a state and just because hes a good comander doesnt neceserayly mean hes a great politicanPeople might asweel just ask why didnt he win the war against the empire all by himself when he loves Democracy so much and im tired of hearing all these arguments
>>218934518He didn't need to be on Reinhard's level, whatever remnants of the FPA are more than manageable enough and he had more than enough people willing to follow him who possessed all the skills and experiences he himself lacked.
>>218934114Aristocrats would not be able to maintain their social position and large estates if the people could produce such a surplus of food. Never mind the fact that in industrialised societies it is impossible for aristocrats to maintain the same lifestyle seen by junkers or in the ancient regime simply because of the pressure of merchants and the burgeoning middle class which sap away at their influence and steal all their workers. The Galactic Federation was a futuristic industrialised society with a modern economy and mass literacy it is totally ridiculous that they could turn back the clock to such an extent. The only thing I can think of is that even the peasantry are really just larpers pretending to be noble gentleman farmers with their homestead or whatever. But they would have a totally different relationship to the regime. But that would sort of explain the birthrate situation if the industrialised areas have modern industrial birthrates while the noble farmers are extremely fertile and send their excess hands to replace the urban people
>>218934518He didn’t need to be Napoleon or Alexander, more like a dictator during the Roman Republic, who would surrender power after a small period
>>218934699To whom? The next incarnation of Trunicht?
>>218934731He would create a constitution which in his mind would prevent that, and then hold an election. He could significantly cull the power of the executive branch to prevent another Trunicht
>>218934650They could easily maintain whatever position they wish to if they are the only ones able to produce, operate and supply fleets of spaceships. Neither merchants nor the middle class can encroach on that territory.>>218934785Amazing idea. If only Heinessen himself had thought of such a simple trick, then the ever escalating levels of corruption inherent in all democracies would never have happened!
>>218934866Institutions to limit government power decay over time and need to be renewed, that's just a fact of life, and one Yang was fully aware of. He just didn't do it because he didn't want to take that responsibility. He never wanted to be involved in galactic affairs at all, he just wanted to get drunk and maybe write a book.
>>218934866>Neither merchants nor the middle class can encroach on that territory.Uh, yes they could>Amazing idea.I’m not saying it’s an amazing idea, the debate was whether it would be better for Yang’s goals if the Lohengramm dynasty reformed into something approaching a semi-constitutional monarchy, or whether Yang could be a dictator and maintain continuity with the old FPA
>>218934646people willing to follow him where never the issue The issue is that he isnt a politican and being a good commander doenst mean you actually know go to governIts easier to notice a problem then it is to fix it and just because Yang sees whats wrong with the goverment doesnt mean he will actually be able to meaningfulyl fix it once he is in power
>>218934934Democracy is an inherently trash system that will inevitably fester increasing amounts of corruption It's retarded to think that a piece of paper and scribbling an X somewhere every few years is gonna matter when every single politician needs insane amounts of resources (time, money, access) just to try and get into power. All these resources naturally come from other people with money, so by definition every politician, above a certain level, will just be Trunicht in a different colour.Also all those retarded protections don't mean shit. They existed after Heinessen but did nothing to prevent the FPA from executing Yang for the crime of being popular and competent. >this time the protections against corruption will workIs no different from>wasn't real communism anywayReal democracy has never been tried.
>>218935169Fixing the FPA in the short term can be achieved by simply having a higher moral fiber than the average politician. It really isn't hard. I mean are you trying to tell me you think Yang would've failed governing challenges that the likes of Trunicht somehow managed to solve?Please.
Noooooo I missed a LOGH thread, chances to discuss this shit are far and few between nowadays. How was the new show, before this thread dies? I seriously don't recall anything about it or if it ended or got canceled
>>218935241>Real democracy has never been triedunironically trueThe only real Democracys in the world are Switzerland and San Marino
>>218934934>dat feel when you realize Yang was basically always fighting with one and tied behind his back by obligations to the government or their constant meddling
>>218935169He doesn't need to rule, he just needs to be the head of a military junta for a couple of months while a team of jurists draw up a constitution which limits executive power
>>218935346You mean the remake that made every character look like a fucking Fujo?It was alright, had like 2 seasons and the just stopped. Barely even made an impact.>>218935365Good luck trying to copy paste those systems onto the rest of the globe. Just admit that democracy is trash and look for something better. You might even find it.
>>218935241non-democratic systems decay too, you retard.
>>218935376Goes to show how utterly trash the FPA is when they crippled and almost killed one the brightest minds their society ever produced.>>218935461Except National Socialism. That one was bombed into the ground instead before the rest of the world realized how much better life is without Financial Institutions and (((Financial Institutions))).
>>218935574Ah yes, the totally incorruptible National Socialism. How could we forget about it?
>>218935407Yeah that one. I guess it was such a nothingburger they never even officially canceled it lol
>>218935718Wasn't perfect but it sure as hell beats a system that requires people in power to be beholden to rootless billionaires. Did you even notice how every major problem of modern western civilization like endless migration and endless inflation can't actually happen in NS government?
>>218935391>He just needs to oversee the creation of a Constitution while being head of a Military coup
>>218936002Pales in comparison to whatever shenanigans Oberstein was up to
>>218935391..and also purge all the existing politicians and their parties and their financial backers to prevent them from just stepping back in to power..and probably purge the courts too since I can guarantee whatever constitution the FPA had was compromised by centuries of the supreme court allowing it to be fucked with..and hold on to emergency control of all the institutions while purges are carried out and elections are held and hold special dictatorial power with military backing while all the inevitable wrinkles with completely overturning the government are ironed out..and oversee the transition from the emergency military coup backed government to the new civilian government making sure unscrupulous military officers haven't enriched themselves or inserted themselves in to the civilian power structure while having special emergency authority
>>218936076Oberstein just wanted to make sure his dog is properly fed.
>>218936135Yes pretty straightforward, you can just do things
>>218936135To be fair at the end the entire FPA is like a single system light years away from Heinessen + Iserlohn.Barely anyone even left to purge.
>>218936142>says dogs eat dog food>feeds his dog chickenThe eternal hypocrisy of the realpolitiker
>>218926638What the other anon said. It's a political drama with space navy theme. There should be a German dub, that would make it perfect.
>>218933388I forgot Geiersburg was in the middle of nowhere. How did the Goldenbaum dynasty last as long as it did? They were so comically inept.
>>218931448I felt that way too, I think the author just needed the money so he put into the last book
>>218896075he's an idiot written by a smart guy THOUGH
>>218937069Presumably it had some strategic purpose at the time it was built
>>218935920Whoa! Truly the Communism of government systems. A shame real National Socialism has never been tried.
>>218937974It was tried and then bombed to hell and back cause it would've made all other forms of government obsolete.
>>218935323You say this as if the FPA equivalent of the deep state would allow Yang to rule unimpeded by their bullshit. Either he plays by the rules of a republic and goes nowhere (or just gets taken out like Jessica Edwards), or he abandons every single principle and ideal he ever had to go full benevolent dictator via military coup.The latter makes him little different from Reinhard, only he's far less charismatic and has no real head for statesmanship. It also sets the precedent of authoritarian rule by military force, effectively killing the very republic he would be trying to save.>>218935346It's okay. It's technically still going but there's no real news on it at all. The OVAs are miles better anyway.
>>218938140Ah yes, the incorruptible Nazi party, always putting the well-being their citizens as their priority. Totally not benefiting the elites. Or maybe you mean the Italians?
>>218895434Letting the nukes go off in the westerland instead of saving them was pointless: nobles were already fucked by that point 2 saving the civilians at the last moment would have given even more power to Reinardo sama
>>218899190Kek, the way he try to stammers out of drinking the poisoned wine is hilarious.
>>218938820You talk like a woman, are you jewish by chance?
>>218938927The Lippstadt nobles were fucked, but it would have protracted the conflict. After Westerland, it was an almost overnight turnaround as the common soldiers abandoned the nobles in droves, and they lost all meaningful support.Reinhard was going to win either way, but Westerland allowed him to win much more quickly and decisively.
>>218938817I was arguing under the assumption that Yang rebuilds the FPA essentially from scratch at the end of the series. Anything else ends up like you said.
>>218939297>literally no argumentSo you're just another incel sperging about jews? Truly their most useful idiot.
>>218939714Stop pretending you even had arguments or even tried to answer any of mine. Fuck off trannoid.
>>218939861>no u>even more incel sperging Not helping your case.
>>218895686>abandon your principles lol
Oh, I nearly forgot, the artist for the series has been uploading a bunch of concept art recently, skoll-tanaka on pixiv, there's loads of stuff.
>>218934650Honestly the question of how the Empire manages this is more interesting than the core plot of the story itself. The peasantry is never shown to be particularly discontent with their status, so it might just be that they're actually basically post-scarcity, and they use constant war/the military as a way to occupy the surplus population.
>>218938927The Machiavellian argument by Oberstein is that the losing Lippstadt League would take months, if not years, to stamp out. Even if there is not a use of nukes to civilians, the Lippstadt nobles would still escalate civilian casualities in their tard rage to throw more bodies against Lohengramm. Reinhard refusing the quick PR stunt meant he'd be stuck in a civil war while the FPA recovers in time to invade the Empire. The coup in the FPA would result in either Greenhill or Yang winning. Greenhill would have made a much more effective navy at the expense of the republican principles, but such an FPA would be extremely difficult for Reinhard to oppose. Greenhill's faction were not as gifted at war as Yang, but collectively they could coordinate efficiently without bureaucracy diluting them. Yang ultimately won and preserved the institutions which further dragged the FPA down as a belligerant, but Yang offered the pinpoint retaliations to Reinhard to keep the war even. In other words, regardless of the outcome, the FPA was going to bounce back to a state it can't crumble if Reinhard spent a year slaughtering imperial fleets he wanted to seize.The choice was billions suffer in the long-term against millions vaporizing in the sort-term. As anons already said, the OVA changed Reinhard to reject the plan and Oberstein undermine Reinhard's order. In the book, Reinhard agrees to the logic of letting the nukes land.Reinhard cannot assume that the FPA will behave benevolently. Yang-FPA means a shitty bureaucracy ramming Yang at the Empire for more election scores, more people suffer. Greenhill-FPA will seek favorable treaty terms with militaristic BAMN victory to end the war, which means invading the Empire while Reinhard fights a civil war. So you cannot trust the FPA to minimize casualties. Westerland allows Reinhard to swiftly win the civil war then decapitate the FPA with victory over Yang. Hildegard, Reuenthal, and Mittermeyer ended the war even faster.
>>218942547TNG, LOGH and Homeworld.Masterclass of spaceship designs>but they aren't realis-doesn't matter, they pull on the strings of the soul
>>218944805Wars have usually been pressure-relief valves for young men unable to fit into the economic system. This doesn't mean wars were engineered to dispose of men, but rather disposeable men happen to concentrate in enough numbers that war becomes inevitable. What changed is the technology to end war sooner only fell into the paradox of making wars more intense than taking place any faster. Every weapon after the Napoleonic War was invented on the assumption "This will make war so terrible nobody will want to wage it." And then a war just uses the new weapons well past the point of brutality.FPA has conscription, while the Empire relies on volunteers. Both recruitment methods have their flaws, but demonstrate differences in amplitude over the economic spectrum and time. FPA's navy is full of people who don't want to be there, with talented persons pressured by a bureaucratic system that won't reward battlefield performance as quickly as brown-nosing. The people who don't want to be there are incentivized to either get the job done ASAP, or sleepwalk their service to Honorably Discharge. Imperial Navy is full of people who have nothing to lose or want to be there. Imperial personnel will dedicate themselves to battle regardless of talent. Talented imperials advance faster, because killing the rebels is a high virtue in the Empire. Both FPA and Empire have incompetent leaders, but not at the same intensity. Kubersly (iirc, it's that fat mustache idiot) has bare minimum competence with commanding a fleet, whereas Braunschweig seemingly has no idea that a fleet is made up of ships. Kubersly will get sailors killed, but retreat as soon as enough bodies pile. Braunschweig will keep roasting men until he realizes he only has enough bodies to throw to make his own escape.
>>218942547
Kino thread.
>>218939209Braunschweig was such a fucking bitch. It's outrageous that he had a henchman as loyal as Ansbach.
>>218937069Freya is near Phezzan, so it might've been built originally as a defense against possible incursion through the Phezzan corridor before their negotiated neturality, or in case the FPA broke the treaty to try a sneak attack.It does seem conspicuously out in the middle of nowhere though. Maybe there was a rebellious faction there at some point in the past.
>>218916929>why do we not have more shows like thisBecause you all spent trillions of dollars on seeing Spirited Away 14 times at the theater and bought the matching t-shirt.So now all anime is shoujo garbage because they're trying to recreate its profits.
>>218945616I love the ship designs so much. So efficient at telling you what they are and why at a glance.
>>218946788I mean it's probably competing for market space with Shonen, not Shoujo. The reason simply is that LOGH is a relatively slow-burn political drama. The anime market today is dominated by JJK and One Piece and shit like that, LOGH doesn't have power scaling or absurd over the top fight scenes. LOGH can basically only appeal to chuds and history nerds. The moment normies started watching anime it was over.
>>218902422I've always dreamed of an LoTGH style anime about the Peloponnesian War or the Second Punic War.
>>218946788LOGH was never mainstream, it was a cult classic, a passion project done over a decade
>>218947554Literally any period of Roman history would be kino, are the Japanese into western history?
>>218947765There are a few Manga about Western history, and for that matter some anime touch on it, but it's usually a backdrop for something else. Historia and Wolfsmund were both set in Europe but I don't think they'd get anime given the niche nature of them.Wolfsmund was essentially just misery porn true, but it was of all things a depiction of the Swiss rebellion against the Holy Roman Empire. Historia follows one of Alexander the Great's generals from his childhood onwards. There's another decent one about the Siege of Syracuse.
>>218946788LoGH was never profitable but the project was started in Japan's boom economy where basically everything was possible and afterwards there were just enough history otakus to make it worthwhile as a prestige project.The founder of the studio also did some creative bookkeeping to keep the company afloat.
>>218949006Why do people always post this picture of Tlahuixcalpantecuhtli? What's the problem? FPA flagships are always named after mythological figures.
>>218949200ship names should be simpler for ease of communication.
>>218949987skill issue
>>218950052Okay, now say it three times fast.
>>218950052work smarter not harder
I adore the alliance design philosophy of "fuck it, just slap as many guns on it as possible"
>>218947468>LOGH can basically only appeal to chuds and history nerds.Current target audience for the remake skews heavily towards the fujo/yumejo market, way more than the original ever did. They're a fairly substantial share of the available audience, but they don't really help with breaking into the mainstream.
>>218947950Interesting, I only know about Rose of Versailles which is on my watch list
