All they do is butcher his work and pretend to be a fan
>>218928750Yeah a lot of people like fantasy, the woke people who hate Tolkien seem to hate everything
The people love him. Why do you think "people" are so determined to butcher his work in the first place?
>>218928750Lefties hate him because he wasn't tranny enough and a righties hate him because he wasn't racist enough
25 years ago, you didnt complain when they dumbed down Lord of the Rings to 12h of battlepornbut now that there is black hobbits it's suddenly the collapse of western civilization
>>218928867>oh you liked it when it followed the books but now you don't because we made it woke and gayYeah?
>>218928750Didn't he base elves on jews?
>>218928750The progressives unironically see xerselves as “fixing” the art that is made by conservative traditionalists.‘Evil cannot create anything new, only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.’
>>218928867You got the order wrong. Its the collapse of western civilisation hence the poo hobbits
>>218928867>25 years ago, you didnt complain when they dumbed down Lord of the Rings to 12h of battlepornlots of people did, and haven't stopped.
>>218928892movie Aragorn is a completely different character to book aragornbattle of helms deep is like 10 pages but 2/3 of the second movieliterally no mention of songs or languages in the moviesno tom bombadildwarf culture gets reduced to "lmao greedy"elf culture gets reduced to "lmao arrogant"human cultures get reduced to "lmao corrupt"the ring itself gets reduced to "lmao invisible"no mythical/religious worldbuilding in the movies. Illuvatar or the mayar don't even get a namedrop.Sauron is a generic bad guyno histories of the world or its people in the movies besides hobbits, we know barely anything about Rohan or Gondor or Rivendellthe movies got lucky they were early, so they practically established generic fantasy slop, but they are still that. generic. slop.
The funniest thing is that his entire philosophy is based on the idea that the west is in spiritual decline which leads to weak corrupt leaders that let their lands get run over with evil foreignersLiberals look at this and think they can make adaptations that work with the eternal present world view If you don’t believe me just look up what Tolkien had to say about airplanes, the man was not a fan of progess
>>218928750"He" was an evil piece of shit
>>218929154Tolkien would have hated Amazon and Bezos and everything he stands for. He embodies everything Tolkien disliked about industry. Soullessness. He disliked Disney for similar reasons. Mass marketing eventually degrades art, the soul, itself. This is why the elves are meant to contrast with Mordor. They make soulful art that lasts while Mordor builds soulless machines that destroys.
>>218929117Yes it should have been 300 hours of exposition with no fun allowed
>>218929117>Nooooo the adaptation isn't a word for word parroting of the text with some visuals to go along with itfuck off to /lit/ midwit
>>218929154>>218929273>machines are le bad Tolkien was le reddit incarnate ?
>>218928928No it was the dwarves that took inspiration from the idea of craftsmen exiled from their homeland, but they aren’t a direct allegory.
>>218928750The only people who don't like Tolkien are reddit söyboys so... I don't know, you tell me.
>>218928750they like moneyand money men like perversion
>>218928750You can be a fan and still butcher his work. Basically every Tolkien derivative IP (in other words basically all modern fantasy) completely misses the point of what Tolkien wrote. They overemphasise the violence, and strip it of it's moral backbone.>>218928867Pretty much this, but also extending back to the 70s and 80s with shit like Dungeons and Dragons
>>218929363You probably already know this, but Tolkien disliked allegory. He was a masterful hair splitter (splitting hairs is fine if it’s a quality contrast), and hated allegory when it involved the author imposing upon the reader. He preferred ‘applicability’. If it’s applicable to your life experiences. Sort of like how Tolkien said the world was subconsciously Christian at first, “then consciously so”. But you don’t HAVE to interpret it through a lens of Catholicism. You can easily interpret middle earth through a science fiction lens (not on the surface, or in appearance, but in logic — the prime directive is at play; the elves are cases of sufficiently advanced aliens that don’t see their abilities and crafts as magical, and the wizards are essentially AI overseers that act the part of sages and guides, or “wizards”).
>>218929117>no mythical/religious worldbuilding in the movies. Illuvatar or the mayar don't even get a namedrop.The amount of times Illuvatar and the *Maiar are mentioned in the three novels is 0.>Sauron is a generic bad guyAbsolutely nothing about Sauron’s background is explained in the three novels.Let me guess, you learned about all this from a YouTube video instead of The Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales.
>Muh good vs evil>Muh war bad>Muh industrialism>Muh power corruptsNot interesting or innovative at all. I will concede that it clearly pioneered fantasy tropes and so its not fair to judge it based on how utterly generic it seems now, but it doesn't have anything besides that
>>218929154Airplanes are great, but they bring an inevitable air of consumerism to society that cannot be removed once brought in. Travel IS a big fucking product. Fuck. It sucks so much. Accessibility will always be frustratingly commercialized. Imagine if travel was a global right? Nope! People will abuse it for terrorist purposes. People will flood into your nation. Now it has to be controlled. Wonderful. 9/11 is why we can’t have nice things. Open borders are fine only in a world without brown people.
>>218929579Sauron is actually psychologically warped into being incapable of perceiving anyone as being anything other than what he is. A conquering tyrant. He legitimately can’t conceive of someone not wanting to take over something. Or something like that. That Gandalf wasn’t power hungry, like Saruman, really just fucking confused him.
>>218929698The alternative is>Muh deconstructionThat’s why nothing with soul gets made anymore.
>>218928750Tolkien was just a grumpy old fart seething about retarded shit because the world was leaving him behind, like it does all old timers.
>>218929117>movie Aragorn is a completely different character to book aragornStill an iconic character in his own right.>battle of helms deep is like 10 pages but 2/3 of the second movieYes, the visual media has to give weight to action sequences.>literally no mention of songs or languages in the moviesThere are songs and there are different languages. What's your point?>no tom bombadilLmao>dwarf culture gets reduced to "lmao greedy"And honorable, and battle-hungry and hospitable.>elf culture gets reduced to "lmao arrogant"And inscrutable, sad and dying.>human cultures get reduced to "lmao corrupt"Again, it's a shadow of what it once was. Remember Argonath?>the ring itself gets reduced to "lmao invisible"Gandalf and Galadriel mention how the ring would obtain unimaginable power through them.>no mythical/religious worldbuilding in the movies. Illuvatar or the mayar don't even get a namedropBecause the movies don't need that shit.>Sauron is a generic bad guyWho cares?>no histories of the world or its people in the movies besides hobbitsWho cares?>we know barely anything about Rohan or Gondor or RivendellWho cares?
>>21892886725 years ago I was mad at the grey company not being in your retard nigger
>>218929893He was a visionary. He thought we could be making more beautiful things. What’s so wrong about that? He lived through the world war. He saw his friends getting blown apart. He witnessed the sheer hideousness of big industry and the War Machine. It was disgusting to him. This is why he likens war and machinery to black magic and sorcery. It’s offensive and it’s enchanting (horrifying) in the darkest way possible. The hasty and ugly efficiency of industry to the detriment of the lasting beauty of natural artifice. We could be making things that last longer and look a lot more splendid.
>>218930129>industrialization is le bad>WW1 was le bad>Jesus is le goodWhat's visionary about any of that?
>>218930179Did you even read the post? Do you even look at places like fucking India? India is Mordor. Why the fuck do you want to live in that?
>>218928750Thr fans like his work. The propagandists in power do not, because his themes and messages are the antithesis of what they stand for. Hence, it is their mission to corrupt his legacy.
>>218930208Other than creating the template for modern fantasy world-building, nothing he had to say was particularly groundbreaking or interesting.
>>218929880Deconstruction isn't inherently if it's done genuinely and not by a snarky ironic Californian shithead, and it can offer genuine insights that advance understanding.
>>218930292Isn't inherently bad*
>>218930208>India is Mordor.I hate brown people but this is retarded cope.Mordor is clearly an industrialized powerhouse, generic, standardized, brutal, efficiency. Mordor is Germany.
>>218930129>We could be making things that last longer and look a lot more splendid.It’s true. In more ways than one. The old ass freezer in my grandparents basement from the 50s still works today. The ones you buy now break in like five years. How did we drop the ball so hard? Is capitalism really this bad at making things work long term?
>>218929117>no tom bombadilGo back to plebbit
>>218930338Germans are not Orcs. Indians are Orcs. Fuck off.
>>218930338Mordor is slavic. Mount Doom is Chernobyl.
>>218928867I did.
>>218930338Tolkien hated metaphor and respected the Germans. This is the same retarded 'analysis' as the people who say >le eagles are murrica coming to save them!
>>218930129He was a smoker scumbag and propagandist >He thought we could be making more beautiful thingsEvil is not beautiful
>>218928750Suits don´t have souls anon. For them there is no such thing as liking or disliking something. All they care about is how to best use it to make money. Big ass shows don´t need to be good or even successful to make money. Money laundering, insurance fraud, felony tax evasion, selling out to lobbyists, tax write offs and so on. There are many ways to earn money other than subscriptions and whatnot. Think about it, if quality mattered and there were no funny business behind the curtains nepotism and social engineering through media wouldn´t be possible.
>>218928750He definitely causes a lot of cognitive dissonance. He’s had a massive impact in the literary world but in the end was an old religious white guy. Lots of educated liberals who fell in love with his works as kids are forced to schizophrenically ignore the fact that Tolkien and his works stand in direct opposition to 21st century progressive identity politics and part of that involved injecting those ideas into his literary universe to try to smoothen out the contradictions of being a “Tolkien fanatic” while being a 400 lbs blue haired non-binary queer feminist
>>218930248You’re just a coping retard who takes the world for granted. >>218930541He’s not saying evil is beautiful, though. Although it totally can be. Good can be ugly as well mind you. Deception goes both ways. Sauron took on a fair form.
>>218930541>hating on smokingTolkien wrote a short passage about how Saruman always became butthurt about how Gandalf could enjoy smoking while Saruman never got it. Gandalf just blew smoke in his face and walked away. You’re a butthurt no fun faggot just like Saruman.
Seriously. Why are houses so fucking ugly? Tolkien was right. I want to live in cooler buildings. Closer to nature and not uninspired to look at. None of those ugly ass rectangles.
>>218930831>He’s not saying evil is beautiful,"He" as in this scumbag "author"? Its why "he" wrote anything, to convince people evil good>>218930868>the villain doesn't support his Jewish evilShit, I didn't realize this propaganda was that insidious>evil is fun!Kill yourself
>>218928867You are a fucking faggot retard
>>218928750>this is how the average man dressed to go on a picnic in the park
>>218929265>>218931057Why are you misgendering him like that? Not cool.
Nobody disagrees that Tolkien wouldn’t have liked Jackson’s trilogy. At best he’d appreciate the sets. Probably. But that’s just the thing. The truest fans aren’t in denial about that. The libtarded fans (“fans”) are the ones in denial about a lot of other things Tolkien believed. Like how he wrote his not!Africans as looking like half-trolls. Do they really think he was envisioning Harfoots as literally African? Denial is always a red flag.
>>218931111stop making emotional arguments, you sound like a woman.
>>218931198It was not an emotional argument. It was a statement of objective fact.
I remember when you’d get fucking dogpiled by dozens of anons for dissing Tolkien like ten years ago.Now it’s okay to shit on him. This is just further proof of how many Indians there are here. Fucking hell.
>>218931389They know he's a rallying point for whites, and it's a culturally safe one that you can't just scream RACIST and win against. So they need to tear it down.
>>218928750His work is much nicer than his actual personality
>>218931389I will fight to preserve Tolkien’s sacredness.
>>218930831>You’re just a coping retard who takes the world for grantedThat's the exact sort of intelligent counterargument I expected.
LOTR is the worst of Tolkien's works. Hobbit is a light hearted children's story and Silmarillion is the lore dump. The LOTR books start out as the former and end up turning into the later but you still have to wade through the boring travelogue to get to the occasional cool lore bit.
>>218929117>no tom bombadilThat's the entire purpose of the Stephen Colbert movie. Watch them make a Ghan Buri Ghan movie next
>>218932072>Watch them make a Ghan Buri Ghan movie nextwould be kino
>>218928867It's the prequels effect. We had no idea how good we had it. I remember bitching about some small incorrect things too. Still hate some changes a lot like the ghost army at Pelennor Fields. But my god they did like 90% of it right, looking back. Way more than the prequels did, so not really a fair comparison either.
>all these browns trying to criticize tolkien unironically Tolkien makes non whites seethe so much kek
>>218932364I like the movies as well.But schizos nowadays defending the "sanctity" of Tolkien lore are laughably retarded, the lore didnt really matter in the jackson movies and it doesnt really matter now. movies are their own thing, and creative freedom of adaptions can often improve on the source material.rings of power is still dogshit for other reasons.
>>218932583The lore did matter. They got 90% right.
>>218932646sure it did buddythis is because they did a complete 180 on aragorn in the movies and turned him into a likeable scoundrel and humble king instead of an arrogant elf-socialized jackass who likes the smell of his own farts like in the books.
>>218932583>>218932723>dude they gave a character a few different lines so it's OK to completely change the worksYou've been posting this shit the entire thread tranny, no one is falling for it
>>218931148No, I don't consider "him" to be a person but some sort of subhuman or even demonic creature>>218931195All "he" "believe" was spreading Jewish evil
The departure of Boromir chapter made me actually cry and I have not picked up the book since then, that was more than a week ago. I watched the first movie just before starting the books and nothing in it made me feel like that.
Very few people know that magic exists in middle-earth the same way it exists irl
>>218928867>25 years ago, you didnt complain when they dumbed down Lord of the Rings to 12h of battlepornehI didI turned to my brother in theatres and asked why the elves showed up in helms deepThey're not perfect, but they're pretty good and about as good as you could make lotr movies.Skipping Bombadill is fine, it's a hard sell in a movie format.Missing out on the scouring is a shame since it is so meaningful.
>>218929345>>218929919Rohan has no windows. Rohan needs no windows.
>>218929117there's plenty to criticize the films over but you're just being pedantic, they're probably as good as any live action film will ever come to adapting middle earth, fellowship is a 10/10
>>218930985easier to install utilities like plumbing and electricity
>>218929117This is an autistic, zoomed in analysis of the movies. Normies and people who are first experiencing LotR don't notice these problems so much because in broader strokes, looking at the forest ratherthan the trees, the trilogy captures the themes of the books in a readily accessible form. No one looks at Saruman and goes "woah he's so generic" they go damn, what a prick, he should know better than to side against the forces of good out of spite, greed, and fear. And people who already know Tolkien or are going to pick up the books find out the nuances on their own. Anyone who's been to Sunday school can pick up on the archetypes and tropes of fallen angels etc even in the movies.
>>218928750I don't care much for tolkien. He seems overrated and there are way more interesting fantasy writers out there like Fritz Leiber.
>>218929698But Wagner's Ring did that all first
>>218928750i dont actually care about tolkien or lotr, i just like to talk shit to try to get globalists to waste money producing lame revisionist lotr content.
>>218928750Tolkien's dick is so fucking big that it blocks out the sun for all fantasy writers who came after him.It's all just jealousy.
>>218930514>>Tolkien hated metaphorHe literally has maps of Europe where fictional names are located. When he was in Italy he writes to his friend "from Gondor" in a letter for example.
>>218929542There is a lot of allegory still in it, this is why i hate tolkien, he was a whinny snarkoid.
>>218938267It's still not metaphor. He was a historian and linguist who specialized in forgotten euro tongues. Admitting Gondor is Italy is not a metaphor, he's just using his own personal name for the land. His indexes and notes literally confirm that he amalgamized the European mythos as best he could; adding his Catholic worldview was the biggest he twisted the tales to conform to, besides making them cohesive stories. There's an index entry that literally admits all of Middle Earth is within a frame story about a college professor stumbling upon old scrolls detailing its history. He's been lauded as a fantasy writer, but he's a historian who re-recorded Europe's myths and histories into an all-inclusive legacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Epf12n8mjY
>>218935485Two towers is the only good one.
>>218929117You don’t understand what adaptions are and it’s foolish to expect this. What’s going on currently is the rape of an old man’s grave.
>>218939529It’s not allegory it’s applicable storytelling.
>>218929117>the movies got lucky they were early,I was watching the first movie recently. Some of it is still great but some of the sets looked cheap. Parts of Moria specifically. Also the whole add of elves to Helms deep was dumb. Whole point is elves are supposed to be leaving so theyre useless.
>new movie is gonna be a by the numbers legacy sequel>parts of older cast return and frodo and others who are dead will probably either appear via flash back or the equivalent of a force ghost>daughter of x character is central focus while characters you remember are side characters at best and may or may not die/get completely pushed aside in favor of the new characterWow very cool
>>218928750To be a fan of Tolkien you have to read. No one reads. We're even on a fucking television board. These people aren't Tolkien fans. They're illiterate dummies who like the movies.
>>218942354Just because I can't read doesn't mean I can't listen. I've listened to Andy Serkis speak The Hobbit and LotR. I got Silmarillion ready too but haven't gotten to that.
>>218929354He wished for bearded anarchists to blow up factories with dynamite. This was astonishing support for the radical left of the time, from an Oxford professor.
>>218930985Dude I just want any kind of a house :(
>>218942421>Hollywood>ever good
>>218942354Trvke
>>218928867>25 years ago, you didnt complain when they dumbed down Lord of the Rings to 12h of battlepornThe people who complain about the battles are some of the most miserable existences I've had the displeasure of meeting
>>218930458>Germans are not OrcsThe why do they speak Orcish?
>>218928750Real tolkien fans are content with the books. We dont need more media
They don't want to make faithful adaptations, they want to push far-left idpol everywhere.
>>218929810Sort of, yes and no. The Mouth of Sauron wouldn't have made threats and demanded apologies for fabricated provocations if Sauron believed Aragorn's party at the Black Gate consisted entirely of people he judged to be self-serving. It's disappointing that it isn't in the theatrical version, and the extended cut undermines the whole purpose of the scene by having Aragorn kill the messenger.
>>218942637Those are new Germans from Turkey.
Tolkien clearly depicted Galadriel as a girlboss and warrior.
>>218928835>heroes are whites, short whites, angelic whites, and short jewish viking whites>enemies are arabs, eurasians, and dysgenic monsters with black skin and asian features>tolkien called asians ugly irl>the only humans with black skin are compared to half-trolls>not racist enoughhe disliked apartheid multiracialism and nordicism, but LOTR is probably the most racist mainstream settingeven in WH 40k the imperium is diverse, humans are colorblind, and all races are treated equally.
>>218942421Accurate
>>218942648this, or faithful games like ToME
>>218942725>Ayo Elbereth Gilthoniel ...
>>218931879You haven't read it. Shut up, faggot.
>>218928867The hardest black pill itt.First of all, Tolkien would despise the trilogy.Second, the moment his literature was sold to a commercial entity black elves, mobile slop games and other travesty was only a matter of time and quite frankly, I'm actually surprised how many years it took for them to start butchering it.
>>218943424I've probably read it before you were born.
>>218928786FPBP
>>218928867People did complain about it back then actually, you'd know this if you were actually there faggot.
Tolkien was a sage. Fuck all of you.
>>218929542The irony of him being friends with Lewis, finally get through his fedora-tipping atheist ideas, then having to watch his friend write childhood-level interpretations of the bible must have been headache inducing to sit through. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when Lewis started telling him about his Narnia series, lol.>>218929117>no mythical/religious worldbuilding in the movies. Illuvatar or the mayar don't even get a namedropBecause Tolkien has a better understanding of how "God" whoever he is to you works than the average christian. God simply is, and underlies the clockwork of the world, almost like a backdrop that everyone takes for granted. People constantly stopping what they're doing to draw attention to him and beg for favor is just greedy, insecure behavior.
>>218928750Your milk him too if you were a woke streaming service that had to pander to shareholders(and their own pockets)
>>218943108The Arabic humans are depicted as simply mislead though.
>>218928750I never cared much for lord of the rings. Alright trilogy but its just 3 books at the end of the day big whoop you read it and then move on and find other things to enjoy.I'll be saddened the day they start digging up Discworld to destroy Terry Pratchett's legacy.
Fuck you all
I liked the Discworld adaptation with Tim Curry as the evil wizard.
>>218928793it's as if many people think differently
>>218928750>>218928786>>218928793>death of the author is a thing, purplehead ;)>NOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS
>>218928937>‘Evil cannot create anything new, only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.’
>>218928937Leftists are the ones creating every movie and show.
>>218928750I will never like a colonialist chud
Would Tolkien be a big supporter of U.S. defense contractors and intelligence agencies?
>>218951521Palantir is based
>>218951521Um. No? People like Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel would piss him off.
>>218951521Why are all these defense companies being named after LotR?
>>218951521Unironically yes, Tolkien was a pro-traditionalist, right-wing Christian conservative. The modern left is satanic.
>>218951521>Palantir, a phone to keep in touch with loyal exiles>Now the symbol of evil thanks to the Hackson's filmsThere should have been a scene of the elves peregrinating to the master stone.
>>218951921>Tolkien would support mass surveillance and mass marketing You’re lying to yourself. The Palantir was a symbol of hubris. Not progression.
>>218951864Palmer Luckey is based and a huge Tolkien fan
>>218929117You're right, because the films weren't a 1:1 retelling of the books we should replace everyone with niggers
>>218951944It was always a symbol of corruption and danger, anon. It’s a forbidden artifact. It’s connected to Sauron. He uses them to intercept the others. To corrupt the others using them.
>>218951521America is Mordor
>>218951343Tolkien was not really a fan of the British Empire even though he was born in South Africa. I actually have heard it argued that the Southrons and Haradrim are stereotypes but regardless they're certainly not portrayed as incompetent -they seem far better than orcs and in both Pelennor fields and the Battle of the Black Gate they put up a fierce fight even when they know it's over
The Palantir is meant to represent something something once used for good that has been repurposed for evil. Just like surveillance technology.
>>218928750Tolkien's work is deeply conservative and Christian. I say this as a liberal who rolled eyes every time I read a passage where Tolkien all but says that a character is good and noble and beautiful and talented because they came from ancestors who were good and noble and beautiful and talented. The guy was a complete genetic determinist. I don't agree with it but I do recognize that his work inherently conflicts with left wing views and that modern leftists are hijacking his work in order to ideologically graffiti it. It is a potent form of propaganda to subvert influential works that stand against you. They are raping Middle-Earth and we are watching them do it.
>>218952053The way he writes of the Haradrim is more like the way the bible talks of gentiles and the nations. They are as valuable men and competent as any other but wicked and ruthless. Surely he would compare the way everything gets exploited by corporations to the men who followed Melkor. The entire plotline of the men of the west is underdogs struggling to survive.
>>218951521Yes, they are protecting the west and western values.
>>218952036It's a phone stolen by Sauron. If you're gonna call anything palantir it fits best for a social media platform.
>>218929117>literally no mention of songs or languages in the moviesthank god he fixed that in the hobbitthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIC_dFb5aBY
>>218952386Phones and social media count as surveillance devices in the world of the future, anon. They’re listening to and watching you right now.
>>218952271The guy was a mythology otaku. That shit of bloodlines is just the way medieval romances wrote of chieftains and nobles. It's all flair, the meat of the story is even the most insignificant person, as long as he keeps good in his heart, will play a part to deliver the greater good.
>>218952569Everyone in his story acts according to their genetic destiny. Another aspect of his story is that of God's plan. Everything, even the bad things, happen for a reason. Character flaws, such as Took foolishness or Gollum's weakness for the ring, are all completely necessary to reach the ultimate conclusion of destiny. Another deeply Christian, and historically European, ideal he illustrated time and again is that of unshakable faith against all odds. This sort of climax happens notably during the siege of Helm's Deep, the ride of the Rohirrim and the 'For Frodo' scene.
>>218928750>good as absolute and creative, while evil is a parasitic, destructive distortion of that goodness, incapable of true creation
>>218952841For Frodo is movie only...
>>218953018Sauron's duel should have been movie only as well, it was absolute KINO.
>>218953018If I said Get You Gone scene then no one would have known. It's thematically the same shit.
Do elves poop? I just can’t see Galadriel pooping.
>>218955433They poop once a year
No one deserves Tolkien at this point
>>218928750Once the UK "decolonizes" Shakespeare they'll take out Tolkien and ban his works so there may be a rush to make works from his books before its too uncool to do.
>>218951521No, He would hate the data centers and the Palantir are misused by evil.>>218951921>>218952328idiots
>>218928867cool revisionism
>>218951521>mass surveilance>technology>used by the insecure to cling to powerNo
>>218952053Nobody is portrayed as incompetent in Pelennor field at that, the orcs very much are competent, their leadership is sensible, their attack is well planned and well executed to the point it takes a combination of extreme effort on behalf of every single character and group of people in addition to several instances of divine intervention to fight off the attackand this is one of my biggest complaints about the movie, in the book the battle was exceedingly hard earned, took many sacrifices and didn't have any quick and easy solutions like the ghost armyThe forces of Rohan arrive just in time, but they still have to fight their way through the considerable preparations the forces of Mordor have placed, similarly Aragorn arriving with reinforcements doesn't win the battle immediately either, all it does is provide just enough relief at a critical moment the battle can actually be wonAnd even after they have won there's a direct acknowledgement that even despite them being victorious here, the battle has cost them forces they can ill afford to replace compared to Sauron's near endless pool of reinforcements, they no longer have the means to resist a second battle of Pelennor fields when (not if) it comes and they must act fastAnd that's why Sauron is such a legitimate threat in the book in a way he isn't in the movie, even when the forces of good make all the right moves and exploit what little vulnerabilities Sauron has he still makes them bleed for it
>Tolkien was not an outspoken racist like H.P. Lovecraft, but there’s a fairly straightforward case to be made that his books include racist ideas.The left call Tolkien racist and it will become more popular.
>>218929117>the movie should actually have been 10 hours of describing every fucking tree and rock Frodo happens to see on his wayTolkien was excellent at worldbuilding but his actual writing was shit.
>>218951521Are you retarded lmfao.
>>218928750Colbert is such a disgusting cretin it's unreal.
>>218952841>>Everyone in his story acts according to their genetic destiny.This is the main problem that I have with all the "traditional" shit. Literally every single other thing in it I agree with. But then they have to suck off the tardistocracy.
>>218929117>no mythical/religious worldbuilding in the movies. Illuvatar or the mayar don't even get a namedrop.this i found eggregrious as a kid. You can't understand what's going on in the movies without having read the books.
>>218928750I have never been a fan or Tolkien with his anti-industrialists themes.
>>218929117The "Lord Of The Rings" films are not adaptations and their sole purpose is introducing HOMO-EROTICISM, feminism, dwarfism mental instability, schizophrenia and belief in magic to the masses.End of story.
>>218929500you're a programist kek ' go b'ack to your cave you troglodyte. Your kind serves only to create websites for intelligent and moral people like me.
>>218939529>Mirror mirror on the wall - why is this anon projecting so ?>it a j**ish lad my dear, 'aped by birth he was I fear.
>>218929893>seethinggo back
>>218930486Mordor is Warsaw - Isengard is Krakow
>>218930612>white "guy"and what are you ?
>>218931389TRVKE NVKE
I'm so fucking sick of seeing this dude on this board. Like Christ, have you fantasy nerds ever read something that wasn't some painfully mediocre genre fiction? Someone like Stendhal, von Kleist, Cervantes, and so on, etc. No, none of you have. You wanna know why? Because you all are autistic manchildren with juvenile taste. Grow the fuck up you fucking virgins
>>218931879this Anon gets it.
>>218967753see>>218931389and stfu
>>218937496>>218928750
>>218931389Being a 4channer post-2016 is like living in Rivendell as an elf in the Third and Fourth ages, you can feel the magic slowly fading away
>>218967753>Someone like Stendhal, von Kleist, CervantesYeah, Tolkien mogs them all, EUrogroid.
>>218939533>he's a historian who re-recorded Europe's myths and historiesLike what? It literally doesn't have 99% of it lmfao. It's just the basic Germanic shit.
>>218930541>>218931057Reminder that Nazis surrendered like a bunch of bitches tbe moment actual army showed up and immediately denounced their demented ideology.
>>218928750He wrote 4 proper books set in middle earth and a collection of shite he had lying around, that was packaged as a book. Out of those books only the Hobbit is really that good, the Lord of The Rings trilogy suffers from pacing issues and autistic and far too detailed descriptions of fucking strawberries and other shit.Other writers have done fantasy better than him but because he inspired other authors to write better and more interesting stuff than his entry level bilge he is held up on a pedestal.
>>218952562https://open.spotify.com/track/1HE30keuyuvDPSjejPEFsP?si=8169b086146e42da
>>218968180Yes saar very other writers morning.
>>218968067Lmao on what planet, Tolkien is basically the Todd Howard of literature. Why do you guys suck his dick like he's Shakespeare or something kek
>>218968297Shut the fuck up EUropod, go back to reading das Kapital, proper continental fantasy.
>>218968327Enjoy your fantasy slop you pathetic manchild
it doesnt matter if they like tolkein anymore.. they're so far removed from the cultural waters in which he swam that anything that will be produced will be nothing like him, the world he lived in or the world he created. England is gone.
>>218968416Yeah yeah back to Snitzelsftufelflugel anthology, defining literary piece of your 'culture'.
>>218968024Now imagine 1946 Germany.
>>218968157maybe on planet reddit
>>218968180Tolkien would shoot most of the "people" here point-blank if he was in his PTSD mood from the first world war. Yes, ptsd from working behind the desk away from frontline kek.
>>218968327Hating on EVROPA should be a bannable offense on this JAPANESE site ruled by a Japanese owner.Origato Gozaimas.
The butchery began with the Jackson movies. How much merchandise, toys, video games did they pump out to milk the epic nerd demographics? They started to dissecting Tolkien's work back then, you were just too young to realize it.
>>218968705>It started J R R died.
Flong dirt all you want, but no bad mouthing him here
>>218928867>so you liked it when it was well made and fun?>and you suddenly hate it when its filled with niggers and gays?
>>218968641Well, Hitler shot himself while he was sitting behind the desk, far away from the front lines.
>>218967270strange picture choice
>>218929117You dont understand how films work. You're a spoiled baby who just wants life to cater to all thay you want, like a woman. The films are nearly perfect. Tolkien talked about changes he was willing to out up with regarding films of his work and he approved of changes 10x worse than anything in the films. You are a jackass>>218946980Atheists are right you uneducated moron. God isnt real. The bible is fucking retarded. How in the living hell can you go around believing the earth is only 6000 years old? That is fucking stupid. That is clrearly not how our universe works you idiot. 6000 years pfffft babahaha.Theists are so goddamn dumb>hurdy gurr fedora reddit atheism, cause and effect predates the big bang so it needed a start duhhhhhhhHow about you provide fucking any evidence or good arugments for any of that shit you stupid asshole
>>218970133Put up with*Literally impossible to type on a phone anymore holy fuckin goddamn
>>218929117All this autistic detail shit over otherwise good movies but you won't say shit about nigger hobbits and nigger elves. Curious
Have you tried maturing beyond fantasy for small children?
>>218951228That’s the problem. They’re the only ones allowed to.
>>218970133>Tolkien talked about changes he was willing to out up with regarding films of his work and he approved of changes 10x worse than anything in the films.Tolkien also said he was ok with shitty alterations if they paid him enough. From letter 202:>A back-wash from the Convention wasa visit from an American film-agent (one of the adjudicating panel) who drove out all the way in a taxi from London to see me last week, filling 76 S[andfield] with strange men and stranger women – I thought the taxi would never stop disgorging. But this Mr Ackerman brought some really astonishingly good pictures (Rackham rather than Disney) and some remarkable colour photographs. They have apparently toured America shooting mountain and desert scenes that seem to fit the story. The Story Line or Scenario was, however, on a lower level. In fact bad. But it looks as if business might be done. Stanley U. & I have agreed on our policy: Art or Cash. Either very profitable terms indeed; or absolute author’s veto on objectionable features or alterations.
>>218970556What a fucking cunt. Ok, I'm done with him.
>>218970989can you blame him?
>>218928750yes, I've read every book he's written, and everything Christopher has written
>>218928867when they came out we bashed the retarded Jackson dialogue, but praised the Tolkien dialogueeverything from the books is fantastic, and everything added afterwards is nonsense
>>218931389Yeah it’s just sad. I hate the future so much right now.
>>218951521Hmm, I wonder if we can use Palantir to find Nick Fuentez federal charges list.
>>218970390>Have you tried maturing beyond fantasy for small children?>posts fantasy for small children
>>218971005Yes. Dude was already rich as fuck. Just disgusting.
Sigh
>t. manchild
>>218928750palantir seems to be doing okay
>>218928750Yes, people who read his books like Tolkien.
>>218929117your post has already been vivisected but I want you to know that at least one more person also thinks you're an annoying midwit and very clearly have not read the books.
Mordor is India
>>218971305He was? I thought LOTR was very niche until the 70s and being a professor was basically middle class and didn’t pay as much as it does today.
>>218929117>no mythical/religious worldbuilding in the movies. Illuvatar or the mayar don't even get a namedrop.to be fair they're not mentioned that heavily in the core LOTR book trilogy either, mostly just set dressing and background lore rather than being essential for the story. Most of what people think is in the books is mostly in the Silmarillion, apart from a few references to Morgoth and Beren & Luthien.
Tolkien is rolling in his grave. As the saying goes.
>>218928750Sexy
>>218976594Apparently he was quite philosophical about sexual intimacy. He wrote about the psychology of elves in such matters. Apparently it’s an overwhelming experience for the elves. They can also literally will themselves to death if they’re about to get raped, too.
>>218951121we never say that to you guys. you've created nothing we want
>>218928750tolkien was great at world building, not writing.peter jacksonsaved lotr.
>>218930238Of course. But we will still be forced to argue with those who pretend not to understand this.
>>218930248The ring of power represents the ego. It can lead to our corruption and enslavement.
>>218928750People like him still yeah. Soulless corporate ghouls don't
>gets film adaptations of Conan that are excellent and some lower quality adaptations of other characters but still not horrible>works are becoming public domain and Holly wood is scared to adapt his stuff any moreRobert E Howard wonRIP Tolkien
>>218979272>removes big chunks of fellowship>kicks parts of two towers to return of the King>adds eleven to Helms deepI like the movies but man he did some dumb stuff
Ugh
>>218943108>he disliked apartheid multiracialism and nordicismexactly. He was cuckboi FAGGOT.
>>218968702This honeypot is not Japanese
>>218929919You are literally the proverbial swine in the pearls before swine proverb.I believe Lotr sucks in all forms as a story. On the other hand you don't deserve anything better. So I will leave you to roll in you shit infested mud of mediocrity at best.
>>218943108>tolkien called asians ugly irl>the only humans with black skin are compared to half-trollsSource?
>>218984873You are a massive redditor who needs to go back
Faggots
