Yes

>The best argument against a nihilist is to kill him.

Why would a nihilist care? According to them there is no difference between life and death.

>>218986985
Isn’t it because I’m a true nihilist that I’m crying? A true believer wouldn’t cry because they know they’re going somewhere else and not just yeeting from existence.

>>218986985
Absolutely. Real nihilists already killed themselves or are about to.

>>218986985
Isn't the whole "they think life has no inherent meaning which means they don't care about life at all" kind of an oversimple misread?

>>218986985
>you might as well just KILL YOURSELF because everything is going to shit and life is nothing but disappointment and what's the point in bothering to live
>NONONONO DON'T KILL ME IT'S DIFFERENT FOR ME
were you watching tiktoks on your phone during the episode

>>218987365
> NONONONO DON'T KILL ME IT'S DIFFERENT FOR ME
I believe this but unironically. Everybody should. It’s completely rational.

>>218987222
Yes, but smug reddit retards don't read so they cannot comprehend that this philosophy may have more nuance than they assume.

>>218987064
Why wouldn't they?

>>218987440
Are you a narcissist or something?

It pissed me off that Scott Adams (the creator of Dilbert) had a death bed conversion to Christianity when he spent his whole life as an atheist. He should have stuck to his guns. I watched his morning coffee show on YouTube for like a year.

>>218987222
yes, it's the kind of deduction someone who dislikes thinking about themselves would make
like tarkovsky once said
>"The moment a person starts thinking about the meaning and purpose of life, he immediately rises above everyday triviality and never again sinks to the former level."

>>218987064

Thats not what nihilism means>>218987059

>>218987064
no? nihilism is about understanding there's no higher power guiding your life and no paradise awaiting you for being a subservient serf so you should take your life into your own hands and make something out of it yourself. it's a rejection of listless life

>>218987222
>>218987465
>>218987604
Is that true for this particular character and their individual moral belief system?

>>218987563
No. I’m a hypocrite.

>>218987059
it's a funny thing to think about because this means that anyone who don't want to believe in nihilism can't in a million years find an argument to disprove them
the only way for them to ignore them is to kill them

>>218987705
That’s a retarded interpretation that you made up to mentally updoot yourself. I’m a nihilist and I’ve been a neet for 10 years

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>>218987738
>particular character
why would you phrase it that way?

>>218987465
There's no nuance needed here, retard. Nihilism negates nuances and is ultimately self contradictory as it simultaneously claims that there is no truth and posit this statement as the ultimate fundamental truth of existence.

>>218987598
how many religions are there? lol he thinks he picked the right one because his cultural familiarity

>>218987846
cool bro. that's about as reddit as any /r/atheism poster could possibly hope to be. enjoy your life i guess

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>>218987883
kinda like a virgin birth amiright?

>>218987705
no that just sounds like atheist existentialism or something
nihilism is the view that there is no inherent meaning or purpose in life, that there are no objective moral values and that the universe is indifferent

which is easily disproved since human beings are themselves aspects of the universe

>>218987918
I’m not enjoying life. I wish I wasn’t the way I am and believed in something. Also you’re reddit.

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I'm terrified of death bros.

>>218988085
why, death is the absence of experience so youll never actually experience it

>>218988085
That's why you need to start living life instead of shitposting with losers on this website.

>>218988085
You should be more terrified of getting dementia and getting beat up by black CNAs while you shit your unchanged diaper.

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>>218986985
nihilism is cringe because there is a clear meaning of life, the meaning of life is to win and get what you want, nihilists are just depressed people coping with ideology.

pessimism is also cringe because it assumes no one can win in life so everyone surfers, nah buddy you are the one with a problem, other people are doing fine.

the correct ideology is the blackpill, there is a point to life, there is a meaning that makes life worthwhile, life can be fun and fulfilling, the fucked up part is that it's a filter, only a few people can get it, few live free happy and unchained, the rest are damned to a life of castration and slavery.

the only correct and objective statement to make about life is that it is unfair.

>>218986985
"if you believe that there is inherent purpose or meaning to things, then you arent allowed to want to feel. the fact that you want or feel disproves you" is one of the dumbest things i've read today.

Does a bacterium have meaning in its life? How about a strand of RNA? What about the self-replicating molecules of a crystalline structure? No no you see when atoms reach a sufficient complexity level driven by the ruthless efficiency of evolution all the sudden "meaning" is manifested. Conveniently that just so happened when humans evolved :)

>>218987820
Nihilists are a threat to society.
they should be killed just like communists

>>218988281
isnt*

>>218988256
Nihilists have poor self images
and are almost always contrarian to a fault.

>>218988320
Can a bacterium think about thinking?

>>218987365
that's not nihilism

>>218987820
Well no it doesn't. The best argument not the only argumenr

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>>218988173
I will though. No matter what happens in my life I will inevitably die. I can't run away from it.
>>218988187
Nice try, FBI.

>>218987598
He didn’t do it very sincerely. It read like a tongue in cheek “just in case I know Christianity has this loophole so I am going to check the box before I kick the can”

I don’t blame him though it’s almost as if it’s easy to be an atheist until it’s almost time to confront the absolute nothingness you believe in

>>218987705
left-hand path has nothing to do with your reddit psyop
>>218987820
now rephrase this so it makes any sense

here's the thing about nihilism: it's the truth. it's the blackest of blackpills. it is the ultimate reality which is why it makes so many people upset.

HOWEVER

you can't just go around being a doomer all day long. you need to seize the day and experience what you can because you won't get a second chance.

>>218987883
>Nihilism[a] is a family of philosophical views that question the existence of any objectively meaningful purpose, moral value, truth, or knowledge.
>Existential nihilism asserts that life has no objective meaning or purpose.
I don't see a contradiction. you're just salty because your sky daddy isn't taken seriously.

>>218988563
define "thinking"

>>218988085
Are you me? I’ve been having a lot of recent thoughts about death and the afterlife. I’m not an atheist but it’s normal to ponder. I do wonder though, when you get old does your body gets so broken down you are ready to die? It’s easy to not want you die when you are young (even under 50) but once you push 70,80, or 90 things really slow down

>>218988256
>the meaning of life is to win and get what you want
source? you found this profound wisdom on 4chan?

>>218987705
>Nihilism is about [things that have nothing to do with the fundamental premise of nihilism]

>>218988807
it's not a black pill. life having no meaning doesn't make it less worthy to live.
it's narcissistic to believe you're so special a supernatural being must have put you on earth to do something.

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>>218986985
>don't agree with someone's beliefs
>"WELL HOW ABOUT I KILL YOU HUH HOW ABOUT THAT?!"
And then everyone clapped. I can see why they wanted to stop making this show, they were likely cringing hard at the shit they'd made.

>>218987705
Lmao you must be 18 to post here lil bro

>>218988894
>Are you me? I’ve been having a lot of recent thoughts about death and the afterlife.
Maybe. It's been pretty crippling to me, I've barely been able to sleep. I think I just need something to distract me. I'm not an atheist either - just terrified of the unknown.
I do wonder about people who are so old they basically want to die, I can't imagine how I could possibly reach that point.

>>218987064
>According to them there is no difference between life and death.
No? Nihilists do not deny that things can be structurally different. They deny that metaphysical truths exist. This is almost as retarded as saying that it makes no sense for christians to fear death since they will just go to heaven when they die.

>>218989026
i don't know how the fuck my post made you think i'm a christian

>>218989050
I don't think this is even supposed to be a dunk on nihilism. The boss isn't trying to make an argument. He's just being unhinged, and the crying guy is just a guy who acts all cool and tough but then immiediately meets his breaking point, creating a comedic juxtaposition.

>Uhm actually I am metaphysically speaking very calm right now. I may be crying shitting and pissing myself but inside I am actually affirming that life is meaningless

>>218987960
>which is easily disproved since human beings are themselves aspects of the universe
This does not actually prove anything.

>there's, like, no purpose or meaning...
>WAIT WAIT NO PLEASE DON'T KILL ME, LIFE HAS VALUE AND I STILL HAVE SO MUCH TO LIVE FOR

humans can’t actually live according to pure nihilism

>>218989166
Finding something to really get into helps. For me I’ve gotten back into really reading Tolkien, and that’s helped. But that’s just me

>>218989523
There is no contradiction in a nihilist crying. A nihilist can, for example, genuinely lament the lack of meaning in the universe. All nihilism is is a denial of metaphysical truths.

>>218989050
>>"WELL HOW ABOUT I KILL YOU HUH HOW ABOUT THAT?!"
unironically a good response to lots of philosophical positions, though.

for example:
>life doesn't matter
>>"WELL HOW ABOUT I KILL YOU HUH HOW ABOUT THAT?!"
they immediately change their minds

>morals are relative, actually
>>"WELL HOW ABOUT I KILL YOU HUH HOW ABOUT THAT?!"
they immediately change their minds

>we live in a simulation
>>"WELL HOW ABOUT I KILL YOU HUH HOW ABOUT THAT?!"
they immediately change their minds

>motion is impossible because objects must always travel half the distance to its destination making any movement infinitely long
>>"WELL HOW ABOUT I KILL YOU HUH HOW ABOUT THAT?!"
they immediately change their minds

etc

>>218989238
>it makes no sense for christians to fear death since they will just go to heaven when they die.
This is true though

>>218989649
Why not? A nihilist can feel like his life has some value or he may simply have a desire to not die, but that does not require him to affirm any metaphysical truths.

>>218989642
literally directly refutes the central premise, bro. that's about as destroyed as an argument can get.

>>218989649
thats like saying nihilists dont feel pain. self-preservation is deeply ingrained

>>218989737
>I will go to heaven when I die
>ok, how about I kill you then?
>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!
Let's stop being silly here.

>>218989778
true, he just doesn't have any reason to say that anyone else shouldn't beat him up and tie him up in their basement to rape and rape and rape him until they grow bored and kill him

>>218989783
It doesn't. The statement "humans are aspects of the universe" does not logically necessitate "nihilism is false"

>>218989877
sounds like they don't really believe it to me

>>218989897
Sure he does. For example, he may have a desire to live a pleasurable life and an aversion to being raped. You just sound unhinged. I don't really like nihilism, but you are acting like a retarded toddler.

>>218989778
>PLEASE DON'T KILL ME
>I won't kill you if you tell me it would be morally wrong
>UHHHHH

>>218989943
can you not hold more than one concept in your head at once or follow a logical chain even a single step? it's not false because humans are an aspect of the universe, it's false because humans care, which means the universe does, which means nihilism is false

>nothing matters, human life is inconsequential but don't you DARE hurt a nigger's feelings

>>218990024
those aren't reasons not for anyone else to let him do that

>>218989756
NTA but no it’s not. Religious people can still have doubts. St thomas was called doubting thomas.

>>218990026
He could just lie. Anyway, what point are you even trying to make? That if you use terror and torture like your fucking O'Brien or something then you'll be able to make people believe even that the sky is green? You certainly don't speak like you believe in any morality.

>>218990056
No. The statement "humans care" does not logically necessitate "the universe cares" or "nihilism is false." There's a leap going on here.

>>218990190
>He could just lie
Revealling he doesn't have any philosophical ground to stand on to justify sparing his life

>>218990260
do you genuinely not understand the part where humans are part of the universe?

>>218990123
Ok. He doesn't control the universe after all. Do you think morals are going to prevent an unhinged psychopath from raping you to death?

As an asipring nihilist i just wanted to say that you are all pronouncing the word "nihilism" wrong.

>>218990356
It's going to get other people to kill him after he does it so he doesn't do it to more people.

>>218988915
it's easy to see once you observe all the other schools of thought

>nihilism: I didn't get what I wanted so I'm gonna cope by pretending nothing matters
>existencialism: I didn't get what I wanted so I'm gonna cope by pretending you can just make up your own meaning
>stoicism: I didn't get what I wanted so I'm gonna cope by pretending there is meaning to a life of hardship and dissapointment
>buddhism/any ideology that preaches ascetism/denial of desires: nah bro I don't actually want pussy or money, those things enslave you and shiet, I'm just gonna sit on this rock

it's all cope, only hedonists that get what they want or frustrated people who know what they want and can't have know the true meaning of life, ballers and blackpillers are closer to the truth than monks.

>>218990286
Sure. But he still has a desire to not die. He doesn't really need any more ground than that as motivation.
>>218990323
I do. I just don't see how it disproves nihilism.

it should be socities job to constantly shit test nihilists so they can actually adopt and practise meaningful values

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>>218989720
I haven't read Tolkien in a while, I used to read LOTR every year but one year I just stopped. Maybe it will help, thanks anon.

>>218990461
I hit peak nihilism when i took philosophy and specifically took an epistemology class and learned that things like "truth" and "knowledge" are sociologically and culturally defined by professional bullshitters (sophists and philosophers)

>>218990411
Ok. The problem is that other people can also just appeal to mutual interests and desires. It's not really as clear-cut as you think.
I will concede to one thing. That a moral system instilled into someone as a religion definitely does have an effect and can, at least, make bad people hesitate. That's why I don't really get people who deride religion because they apparently "don't need" fear of God to be good. That may be true for some, but at least it is something in case someone might need it. It can't be completely ineffectual..

>>218990461
Competition is for people who like to shove big objects up their buttholes

>>218990614
>sociologically and culturally
Baby learns to read. Anyway, what you are espousing is more like relativism. Just keep in mind, however, that there is another option. Namely that truth does actually exist but we might as pf now be unaware of it; something yet to be discovered. Or maybe it has been discovered but we just haven't realized it effectively. This isn't just applicable to philosophy. Same can apply to any other field of knowledge.

>>218990461
>stoicism: I didn't get what I wanted so I'm gonna cope by pretending there is meaning to a life of hardship and dissapointment
That's not really what stoicism is. Stoicism is more "these things are indifferent, neither good or bad, and have the same divine source and I will will them intensely and affirm my life. The only things that are good or bad are things under my control"

Any sort of nihilism that I’ve heard about sounds like cope, where it’s actually the on brand version or the flanderized gaytheist version. It’s something mediocre people need to rationalize about why they are lame. Most philosophyshit seems like people have too much time on their hands.

>>218990790
The tao that can be spoken is not the tao

>>218990461
>only hedonists that get what they want or frustrated people who know what they want
No. Hedonists do not control the universe and are often very angry and bitter

>>218990790
We are beings trapped in time desperatly trying to escape it

Im using relativism as a justification for nihilism

>>218990461
>I didn't get what I wanted so I'm gonna cope by pretending you can just make up your own meaning
How is that not getting what you want? You seem to have a very specific idea of getting what you want. What is it?

>>218990895
Nihilism is just the philosophical version of questioning/bi-curious
nihilists are so confused at the nature of ideas that they just throw thier hands up and just say fuck it and start smearing poop on the walls

>>218987598
It's not surprising. The end changes your perspective.
It happens more often than you realize. It's just fear

>>218990517
Do it. It had been years since I’ve read it and there’s so much that I am noticing now that I never did before. Not just about death but also about bravery and small acts of heroism. Sounds corny but it is quite powerful

>>218991015
>We are beings trapped in time desperatly trying to escape it
I don't know what that means. Anyway, the stoics held that living in the present moment was the greatest thing ever.

>>218991132
Everyone turns into a gambler the closer they get to uncertainty

>>218991117
No. Nihilism is still an assertion, a claim. It is the claim that Truth does not exist. Of course, then the "but is that true?" problem arises to which nihilists can either say yes to keep it simple or no if they want to talk for a long time.

>>218990895
A lot of the replies in this thread are all
>that’s not real nihilism
But any nihilists you actually encounter are closer to the pessimistic atheistic caricature than the supposed “real” definitions

>>218991148
the passage of time is measure by beta decay of particles.
things cha;ge
in 1 trillion years f=ma may not even be true any more

>>218991258
You should read what those posts are saying. They are responding to genuinely retarded people who think that nihilism means you can't show emotions.

>>218991313
Are you a process philosopher or something?

>>218991239
Any claim that refutes truth would nessicarily be self defeating
Especially if we are using aristotelian logic.
nihilism is more of a vibe.
has more to do with existentialism and english literature thsn it does logical argumentation

>>218991430
I havent decided yet though im partial to psychology and systems thinking

its simple, grim and gnarly were not really nihilists, they were like aggressive fatalists

>>218991543
>Any claim that refutes truth would nessicarily be self defeating
I don't know. I don't see why you can't just say "all we can say is that objective truth does not exist." Reminiscent of Socrates' "I know that I know nothing." Was Socrates refuting himself? It's probably more complicated. Maybe it is a vibe or mode of being or whatever (I haven't actually read Heidegger).
Anyway, the skeptics are the real heavy hitters.

>>218991687
I prefer kant in that if objrctive truth does exist we wolddnt know it becuase of all the confounding variables in the way.
socratese was prempting his opponents counter argument.
he was just being a smart alec to someone who wanted to pwn socratese in a debate.

>>218986985
>Missing the point

>>218990895
Its actually pretty suprising how much we use philosophy as a cope.
i love injecting philosophy into my therapy sesssion

>>218989778
People cannot become platonic ideals they can only strive to reach them in aymptote.
nihilism and inifity are completley out of reach for the mortal man
things blip in and out of existance all the time; even in a perfect vacuum

>>218987705
You are literally retarded.
You want the "cool and edgy" label of nihilist without believing in a single thing that nihilism is about.

>>218988085
what really scares me is getting cancer. my aunt was pretty much bedridden for 3 years while pumping her body full of different medicines. used over 100k on different treatments and such. looked like a human skeleton. tits were literally hanging on the floor. what a terrible way to go.

>>218993357
>believing
Not to be technical, but technically nihilism is the total absence of belief.

nihilism is old news, I'm more of into absurdism

>>218993818
Wrong
its the abscene of truth.
you can still have beliefs and you can still justify them but it will never make them true so you might as well believe in anything and justify it on absurd notions like what i wouldve felt like if i hadnt had breakfast this morning

>>218994148
Absurdism is the obvious next step from nihilism.
eventually youll become mature and expierenced enough to establish some values from there

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Coming to the conclusion that life might have no meaning does not mean you suddenly are able to shut down and ignore the autonomous functions that you have little to no power over. You can scare a suicidal person and their heart rate increases, adrenaline starts to flow and fight or flight starts in milliseconds.

>>218992122
how do you even miss at that range

>>218996113
You can deny reality all you want but your eyes will still see your ears will still hear and your fingers will still touch and you will still doubt yourself

>>218988085
the alternative is much scarier, also getting old sucks

>>218986985
If someone pointed a gun at me I don’t think I would even react.

>>218996113
you sound like a bitch
>>218998168
you sound like a chad

>>218990056
fallacy of composition.
"a fingernail is made of keratin therefore humans are made of keratin"

the dude you are arguing with should have spotted this immediately if he was smart, don't worry he's almost as dumb as you are. at least he can tell something is wrong with your logic he just can't quite explain it

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rape nihilists

>>218999035
Joker is a dialectical materialist except his proliteriat is all fuckups

>>218987059
When you kill a nihilist, the number of nihilists in the world remains the same >>218987064

>>218999035
Get his rags off

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>>218986985
Edgelords nihilists are pretty pathetic characters.

>>218988085
don't worry when you get older you'll start looking forward to it

>>218986985
Its making fun of people who claim to be nihilist because its an oxymoron. If they actually didn't care about life and death they wouldn't be scared about dying.

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Why be a nihilist when you can just smoke weed?

>>219000009
Its just that their fear doesnt really have any meaning. Beyond what it means on a personal subjective level

>>218988085
>I'm terrified of death bros.
Skill issue. Your baby soul needs more xperince.

>>218988085
Look into near death experiences and terminal lucidity.

>>218987960
thanks norm

>>218987064
if you kill a christian for believing in God you are making him a martyr, doing him a spiritual favor since his soul is eternal, right? or how it goes?

>>218987222
>BIBLE SKYDADDY IS NOT REAL CHUD

>wait isn't this scene kind of an oversimple misread of nihilism??

lmao yall libsharts never beating the low iq allegations.

>>219001349
What if you want to kill a christain becuase they have a bigger dick than you
does that still make them a martyr?

>>219001502
>yall

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>>218989166
>not atheist
When you die, it's like a blink of an eye; you experience a temporal leap, just like when you were born and didn't see the past time pass, only your consciousness perceives time. In short, in the blink of an eye, you already see Jesus returning and resurrecting you. There is nothing to fear.

My last living grandparent, my maternal grandma, has intestinal cancer. I don't really see the purpose in this but I don't want to get shot dead either. Am I a nihilist or not?

Yes.
nihilists are largely full of themselves doomers who think they are smarter than the rest and looking for reasons to not contribute to society.
Pretty much do nothing worms. Do nothings are totally fine but a lot of nihilists are mean spirited assholes on top of their twisted worldview.

>>218998086
but everybody's doing it

>>219001130
That sounds even worse to me and I hope it's not real. This world is cold and unfeeling, but it's logical to me. The idea of afterlife sounds absolutely retarded and literally every nde experience is so cliche and cheesy that I don't know why anyone would believe it.
Some people even met their fucking dogs in the supposed afterlife. It's so stupid.

>>218988894
>>218989166
I used to be terrified of death, but I've experienced a lot of media that has made me a lot less scared of it. I wrote this post >>219001130, they've made me think that dying isn't unpleasant. I don't want to die, but I think the act itself feels pretty good, your brain doesn't want you to suffer. I also read these short stories The Jaunt and The Last Answer, they gave me another perspective, that existing could potentially be a lot worse than dying.
Also I'm religious and believe in heaven, I wanted to leave out my biases though.
>>219005802
NDEs can sound strange, but nothing's explained terminal lucidity yet.

>>219005909
> but nothing's explained terminal lucidity yet.
God of the gaps, in 2026? kek

>>219005981
It doesn't have to be God specifically. Though I am Christian I like to approach this kind of thing from an atheist perspective too. I think there's something supernatural about the phenomenon. Even someone suffering from Alzheimer's can bounce back for a bit. An atheist should at least believe there are things beyond human understanding.

>>219006109
>things beyond human understanding = the afterlife is real and Jesus is Lord
There's a leap here that I can't make, Kierkegaard.

>>218988085
perhaps you mean that you’re afraid of how you’re brought to it

>>218986985
When you look at life as a whole it's hard to not be a nihilist. It's a fact that for most species life is a constant fight for survival and it's pretty meaningless.

>this entire thread
holy shit, if this is your genuine outlook on life and death it's no wonder you're so unhappy

>>218987064
That doesn't mean there aren't more preferable states for them to exist in.

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>>218988660
>I will though. No matter what happens in my life I will inevitably die. I can't run away from it.
You literally cannot experience death unless the afterlife exists.

Just like a regular ass thermometer couldn't measure the temperature of the sun if you threw it in because it will get evaporated before you have time to read it.

>>218987064
Please stop talking confidently about things you know nothing about. It's embarrassing to watch.

>>218993357
Nihilism isn't about death and life being equally preferable to the person himself.

>>219001130
>near death experiences
There's no consistency to them and they are affected by your cultural environment and existing beliefs.
>terminal lucidity
What does this have to do with anything? Your body getting one last burst of energy when everything is starting to shut down isn't really relevant to the discussion.

>>219006894
>There's no consistency to them and they are affected by your cultural environment and existing beliefs.
That makes it better doesn't it? We all get what we believe.
>Your body getting one last burst of energy
No one knows what this energy is or why it can revive a brain ravaged by dementia. Our consciousness might not be limited by the body.

>>218986985
>nihilists see an annoying dipshit that is never referred to as a nihilist and think its an attack on them