>Do something? >Nah just give me my pension
>>219061475Yang doesn’t want to be a great man of history, he only joined the military to pay for his history degree, so he uses his democratic principles as an excuse to not take charge.
>>219061475Yang is just your standard liberal. He will never seriously do anything against the system, but he will revolt the moment a democratically elected leader decides to sell out to the Kaiser. He’s far worse than those liberals who will cry about a rigged system but won’t ever question why it got to that point.
>>219061475Imagine you're a nerd and all you want to do is scam the government in to funding your unremarkable academic career until you drink yourself to death in your 50s.You end up, just by trying to save your own ass from death mostly, as the last defender of democracy and the only hope for your terrible corrupt government full of snakes in the grass who want you dead because in some hypothetical reality you might be a threat, and also they were elected by the popular vote of retards.In addition to that absurd level of responsibility for protecting people who don't deserve protection from the consequences of their own actions, who are completely unfit for their jobs that they were chosen to do by the public because the public is retarded, everyone is also begging you to commit a coup d'etat and save the people from their own retardation even more while exposing yourself to an even more volatile situation where you're likely to just get shot at any random moment and even if you aren't you'll be taking on way more responsibility that you never wanted or asked for, for an even longer period of time with no end in sight.Yang going on about the principle of democratic rule and popular sovereignty was his way of saying no to saving the FPA from its own stupidity. It was his gentle way of saying to the populace 'you made your bed now lie in it'.
>>219061475FINEI'll watch it again.
>>219064348Then why didn’t he become dictator and create a new constitution which fixed many of the ills of the old FPA? Yang genuinely believes in democracy and democratic principles, the FPA is an extremely imperfect democracy, therefore the people are voting in an imperfect democracy, which means you cannot conclude that it’s failure means democracy as a whole has failed at this point, that an autocratic empire should take its place. Yang was just lazy.
>>219064922The show had to make democracy super corrupt in order to have a real argument. In reality democracy is 99% of the time better for the population. I mean who would want to live in Russia right now instead of Poland for example?
>>219065058Reinhard’s entire rise is also extremely retarded. How was Reinhard able to takeover a stratified autocratic empire with a deeply ingrained aristocracy, whose population is mostly agrarian serfs? They don’t even seem to have intellectual dissidents because they would just defect to the FPA
>>219065214Yeah his rise to power was hilariously clean and low body count compared to how those things usually go in monarchies.
>>219065214The Goldenbaum dynasty aristocracy was completely decrepit and in the end stages of decadence. The military was split between nepo baby admirals who mostly had no ability nor character and were simply handed their positions, and officers who actually had to earn their way and excel even harder than they otherwise should have had to just to compete with completely incompetent noble brats. Guess who all of those competent officers sided with when factions started forming.
>>219061475He doesn't have ambition like Reinhard does. He's more like Kircheis and Lapp was his Reinhard, but he died in the first episode of the series.
>>219065466All the incompetent admirals would still control all the resources of the empire via their estatesSpeaking of which, how was Erwin Josef II’s succession even disputed? He is the son of the son of the Kaiser, how did his aunts have enough support to push the claims of their DAUGHTERS to create a three way civil war? How did the Kaiser have so few descendants when he literally has concubines?
The writers don't even know that space is 3 dimensional but fans of this show think the writers know what they're talking about when it comes to politics.
>>219066150>muh space isn't 3d
>>219065058I think Yoshiki Tanaka just has a very grim view of humanity given he's mostly well read in Chinese and Persian history. It's obvious he draws a lot of overt inspiration from western history but everything has a circular theme to it as well - the characters have their struggles but they're ultimately also trapped in the gears of history. Something Yang probably sees when he gets up to deal with the next days bullshit.>>219064922Because he knows what happens when the military starts launching coups and it's been a repeating cycle since at least the days of Sulla in Rome.
>>219065893>How did the Kaiser have so few descendants when he literally has concubines?
>>219066221Sulla supported the oligarchic faction, Yang is a democrat. He would be Cincinnatus is anything
Does this compare to Gundam wing?
>>219066470Cincinattus was formally invited to take power by the official representatives of the people. Even if Yang feels that the people would support him, without a formal invitation he would be tyrannically seizing power.
>>219066587Obviously it’s not a 1 to 1 comparison
>>219066551NoIt's not for 11 year olds
>>219061475I've been meaning to watch it for a decade>>219066551I like G Gundam. Just wanted to let you guys know.
>>219065058> In reality democracy is 99% of the time better for the populationEurope was autocratic for thousands of years until extremely recently
>>219070612How is that an argument at all for autocracy? Are you retarded?
>>219071798Democracy is the belief that the people know what they want and that they deserve to get it good and hard.
>>219061475Literally me. Freedom 35 worked out for me.
>>219070612Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time
>>219065466>The military was split between nepo baby admirals who mostly had no ability nor character and were simply handed their positions, and officers who actually had to earn their way and excel even harder than they otherwise should have had to just to compete with completely incompetent noble brats. Guess who all of those competent officers sided with when factions started forming.Yeah, and that's ridiculous. The depiction of the nobles is cartoonish and it's just very convenient that every single officer with two or more braincells is personally loyal to Grand Admiral Mary Sue.
>>219072722Not all of them, just enough. And most of the ones on the other side were hamstrung by being beneath nepo babies.
>>219072722Some of them were loyal to retirement. Muckenberger retired, and Merkatz was going to retire before he got blackmailed.
>>219072900That changes nothing. Reinhardt is up against walking caricatures and his takeover of the empire is served to him on a silver platter.
>>219073064A house of cards can stand just fine until a breeze comes along
>>219072722>Grand Admiral Mary SueReinhard basically does nothing throughout the entire series yet is still hailed as a great man
>>219065058Its take on democracy makes a little more sense when viewed from an eastern context, I'd even say its a little bit tame when you compare it to the democratization of eastern europe.That said its opposition isn't even best case lop-sided, its literally "what if my perfect mary sue became king." Rheinhard is a terrible character.
>>219075581Reinhard is not a mary sue.
>>219075980Both him and Yang are Mary Sues in their own way.
>>219078371They both have major flaws it doesn’t make sense to call them mary sues
I'm surprised the scene where Julian gets scrambled from his carrier right before it gets blown up isn't a frequently posted webm
>>219078488Reinhard has zero flaws. Any "flaw" he has is always some sort of humble wank shit like loving his sister too much or liking war too much or bullshit like that which ultimately never has any sort of meaningful repercussions for him. The show couldn't even let his tragic untimely death hurt his legacy in anyway.
>>219081670And I suppose Alexander and Caesar and Napoleon were Mary Sues as well, right?
>>219078371Napoleon and Wellington were both Mary Sues in their own way.Hannibal and Scipio were both Mary Sues in their own way.Caesar and Pompey were both Mary Sues in their own way.
>>219061475this show makes democracy look cringe as shit
>>219075581Reinhard is not a Mary Sue, and even if he's portrayed as a "Good King", the entire premise is that good kings are of course possible, but then they die. And then what? You pray the next one is good too? Eventually, and usually quickly, one gets power that should not have it, and the people have to suffer as a result.If anyone's a Mary Sue, it's Julian.
>>219066551Gundam is junk for children.
>>219083385Reinhart is a nepobaby who the story fellates at every turn though he barely does anything himself. His sister is a concubine to the emperor, so he rises in the ranks much more quickly. He has hypercompetent subordinates while everyone else in the empire is a cartoon villain so he's crucial in every war, rising further as a result. He wants to take the throne, so the emperor has the kindness to die while doing nothing against Reinhart though it's implied he knows of his ambition. The emperor's heir is a child who first serves as Reinhart's puppet and then is conveniently kidnapped. Reinhart then concocts the brilliant plan of simply invading the neutral Phezzan, a genius move that no one had ever considered before. Mary Sue may or may not be the term for it, but success certainly falls on his lap effortlessly.
>>219066221Dear God.. it's modern day explained
>>219065058The FPA makes more sense when you remember it's being written by a guy from post-war Japan, a country whose "democracy" is foreign imposed one-party rule. When that's your only context for how "democracy" works, it makes sense that you think democracy is fake and lame.
>>219066551Wing unironically has more realistic politics, if only by complete accident.
>>219082778No all those people were notably flawed human beings, in fact they were all pretty much ultimately failures in some right.
>>219083850Don't forget the part where Reinhard conveniently wills a Civil War into being for the FPA because he fed some disgraced general drugs or something all so the plot could conveniently wave away the FPA not taking advantage of Reinhard's own Civil War in the Empire.
>>219063290Yang is a passive cuck
>Childhood is thinking that LotGH is a work of political genius>Adulthood is knowing that LotGH's ideas about politics are fucking retarded.
>>219083850A lot of this is wrong or misrepresented
>>219063290I always found it weird they had a concept of a laptop in '89 for that episode.Then again it does seem very familiar to this laptop from '88
>>219064348>terrible corrupt government full of snakesTrunicht did nothing wrong. It's like he said:>Don't hate player, hate the game.
>>219066221>I think Yoshiki Tanaka just has a very grim view of humanityYes, his view on religion is particularly pessimistic.In LOGH, the only prominent religion is the Cult of Terra, which is a pathetic losers who rely on brainwashing fluids to grow their numbers.In Arslan, religion is represented by the High Priest's faction, who are insane zealots who commit genocide against all non-Lusitanians in the name of their god.It seems very edgy, atheistic views of things. You'd even enlightened atheist would recognize good parts of religion.
>>219064922>why didn’t he become dictatorYou answered your own question.>Yang genuinely believes in democracy and democratic principlesHe knows full well where he stands, and how this exact sort of situation tends to go, and often makes comments to that end. Even if Yang had any sense for playing politics, he would have to abandon his own principles to take over the FPA via coup. In doing so, his ideal democracy has already failed even before it could start.
>>219070612It really fucking wasnt you retarded shithead. Most emperors and kings had less power than the democratically elected premiers and presidents of today. Mainly they had to constantly tardwrangle their vassals, the estates general, their own family and the church before they could rule somewhat effectively. (And even in perfect situations with perfect rulers royal power constantly hit its limits) royal Absolutism mainly peaked in the 17th century and totalitarianism was, in the grand scope of it all, a short 20th century experiment. We have as much history with democracy, republicanism and oligarchy as with autocracy in Europe.
>>219083385>If anyone's a Mary Sue, it's Julian.Correct, and it's even worse in the novels. The OVAs really toned it down.
>>219064348If he doesn't save the government they can't pay him his pension.
The recent adaptation fucking sucks.
>>219061475This show is red pilled as fuck. Its what got me supporting Trump back in 2016 (still do)
>>219085900Really? How so? I thought the OVA was pretty egregious at times, even if there was an excuse for most of it.
>>219065058>why would you want to live in Russia under a strong leader than a western puppet statehmmm
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>>219086185Say something bad publicly about Putin in Russia and set your stopwatch
>>219086044I think the original suffers from problems inherent to glossing books that drone on and on and on covering a lot of points of view. So there's potential value in trying to adapt LoGH by cutting out a lot of the other points of view. Re-framing the adaptation on a tighter cast of characters can let you develop those characters you do decide to focus on more than the old ova did. I really think, if I'm looking at the ova very critically, that the only part of the ova that's fully adapting the novels at the novels breadth and the novels pacing is the battle in the corridor. Otherwise the ova tends toward glossing over events. That said the new version doesn't deliver on that. They cut, then they cut stuff relevant to the characters they do want to focus on, they still do anime only crap when they marketed they wouldn't, and the whole thing is a nearly incoherent mess unless you walked into it with foreknowledge of the narrative.
>>219086170Julian in the novels was the MVP of his sportsball team and was also at the top of his class. That along with his good looks (which do get commented on fairly regularly, albeit not to the degree of some others, like Reinhard or Reuenthal) made him the most popular kid in school and something of a local celebrity. So much so that even Admiral Greenhill comments on it when he meets him for the first time when he's with Yang.You also get times where the narration goes out of its way to wax on about him. Like when he goes out for his first sortie, it points out that if every flight trainee was as good as Julian, Dusty would have nothing to worry about.That, on top of all the other stuff the OVAs do keep up with, like how he's always compared favorably to Yang as his protégé, only unlike Yang, he's also very physically capable and notably good looking.It got real annoying real quick.>>219086567Some of the anime only crap in the remake is just egregious. Like when Frederica bodied a Rosenritter guy with zero effort. It really kills the mystique about them being the most feared combat unit in the galaxy when one of their dudes can't even take on a young girl half his size.
I was devastated when that death happened but it seems to me some people find yang annoying which is funny. I posted in one of these threads once on how i was never going to finish the series because i couldnt cope. Dumb thing to do and finally finished it this month. What a series, one of the best things i ever watched.
>>219061475Go back to /a/
>>219065058Yes .. that's the question the show asks. "Is it better to have a benevolent ruler or a corrupt democracy?" That's the underlying theme of the whole show. Congratulations.
>>219065058The FPA is literally the UN in space, but without a second party superpower to bail it out on its constant idiocy. The critique is against globalist one-world governments, not necessarily democracy itself.
>>219087533The point of contention is the amount of corruption. Some nations have tolerable levels of corruption, some nations have intolerable levels of corruption. Not all corruption is equal.
>>219087630Corruption is inevitable and all political systems eventually collapse. If you take a step back and veiw humanity as a whole all democracies eventually become dictatorships and all dictatorships eventually turn into democracies. Democratic systems simply cannot adapt fast enough to prevent their own destruction. Personally I don't feel the democracy in LOGH was "comedically" currupt like some anons say. Every thing that happened in that show has happened in real life human history.
>>219064922He died nigga
>>219085434>4chanhood is acting like you're an adult when you're still 14
>>219087043It's funny, I've re-watched the show multiple times and always cry to the same deaths. My mom watched it together with me, started with the gaidens, she refuses to re-watch it ten years later because all the good characters die.Her favorite characters?>Kircheis>Reuental>Schenkopf
>>219087933Isn't it Yang that points out that people don't want to solve issues in society themselves but instead give all power to a dictator? The Galactic Federation chose Rudolf to solve everything which led to the Galactic Empire, it's no wonder Yang refuses to become dictator when people ask him to solve everything wrong with the FPA.
>>219086044i can jerk it to the few girls logh has since they don't all dress like old grannies anymore so it has that going on at least
>>219061475Yang is just an avarage guy seing the fall of the Republic due to Corrupt officals and the slow decay of Democracy as whole play out just like in the History books he read about all the time being unable to do somethingHe isnt some great political mastermind that could become dictator and fix all the problems and blaming him for doing nothing is just unfairYang isnt even that special there are hundreds of people in the FPA that realise how corrupt it is and go out to protest and they get violently shoot downYang doesnt know how to fix the problems and thats fine he isnt some all knowing god which i like about himPeople desperetly want him to be some mary sue for some reason and it just btoheres me
>>219089012>Yang doesnt know how to fix the problemsThat's not true, problems with flawed democracies are pretty obvious and easy to judge towards the right direction
>>219078707What’s the webm of WWI/nausicaa looking airplanes fighting until dudes in a bunker launch a rocket? What is that from?
>>219078707my favorite is the quick cuts of that one small fighter with a decal you recognize, just being shot down by huge empire carrier.Really effective when you catch it in repeated viewings.
