they werent that bad tbqh

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>>219104752
these movies are never going to be loved except for by retarded redditors and the worst of "nerdy" girls.

Now that I think about it they're actually better than OT, this is my firmly held core conviction now

>>219104752
Nostalgia won't save these because kids didn't grow up on them. They were made for basedllenials with terminal OT nostalgia. They are corpo made by committee trash and have already been forgotten. Even in the early 90s - before Heir to the Empire the OT had more buzz/discussion than the Disney shite does in 2026.

>>219106632
>millennials
Gen X

>>219106693
A ton of millenials grew up watching the VHS tapes in the 80s/90s, and saw the rerelease in '97. They have the same terminal OT nostalgia as Gen X.

This movies have no personality whatsoever though. The prequels (episode 3 is actually good) at least had some "so bad they're actually good" charm. This movies are AI generated slop

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It's hard to love even the prequels. What saved the prequels was the massive amount of artist work that went into them. There's no good art from the sequels. Only good thing from the art department is BB-8.

>>219104752
Even if OG fags hated the prequels, they were always popular with kids. Nobody likes the sequel trilogy except as a political statement.

somehow palpatine raped

>>219104752
Well they haven't made a cartoon series for manbabies to watch, so they don't have the advantage the terrible prequels do.

>>219107247
I'll always hold more love for something that tries something new and fails, rather than rehashing everything and playing it safe.
TFA is the movie I have the least interest in ever rewatching.

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>>219108452
They did make a sequel era cartoon but nobody watched it.

Never, because no one remembers these films.
These movies have no cultural impact.
Nobody dressed up like any of the characters.
Nobody quotes these films and references them in other media.
Nobody remembers the plot points off by heart.
Nobody bought the toys.
Nobody liked the characters.
Nobody liked the rehashing of the original trilogy.
Nobody bought into the romance because there fucking wasn't any.
Nobody waited in lines stretching completely around the block or camped out in front of the theatre for weeks waiting to get the best tickets.
Nobody remembered anything about them after walking out of the theatre.
They took the biggest films of all time, wiped the Disney shit smear over it and tried turning it into Marvel-esque and it ruined everything in the process. They put people in charge that openly disdained the franchise and the fan base. It hasn't recovered from this since.

You have to at the very base level like something to be nostalgic for it. These movies are the equivalent of a bowel movement.

>>219110475
What was the viewership for this... thing? I'm morbidly curious.

>>219104752
Forever. They appealed to no one. The prequels hijacked the childhoods of some children. The sequels targeted an audience that didn't exist. Disney knows if they even try to do paid sequelfaggotry they’d have literally everyone calling bullshit.

The Last Jedi is objectively underrated

>>219104752
My dad is a Star Wars freak: ive seen these a LOT. I think there are a lot of excellent elements and dammit it might happen. I think if you never saw the others you might like them, its a story of a adventurous woman who realizes she is some kind of genius savant who meets a angry, bitter, lightsaber master, falls in love with a bad boy, beats the decrepit old monster man. I dunno maybe some girls are into it?

I will say the movies look great and Reys Theme from John Williams is becoming Top Three #3 SW song for me. Its so warm and cozy yet grand and sweeping, its got some of those whimsical Harry Potter tones to it.

>>219111140
TFA I could get through as cheap Abrams nostalgiaslop. When it comes to TLJ, a bunch of people point out the same thing, just the dialog alone in the first 10 minutes doesn't feel Star Wars. There's something deeply wrong with it. Call an exorcist.

>>219104752
I honestly think Rey deserves more appreciation. So many people hate on her character, but I genuinely like her character!

You're probably asking why I love Rey? Here's why: Throughout the entire sequel trilogy she was searching for herself, her identity. At the beginning of TFA she was lost and wanted to know her place- her worth in the universe. And slowly, she begins finding more and more of herself as the sequel trilogy continues. At the end in TROS, when her search comes to a close, she finally finds herself after all that time of feeling alone, and lost. She found herself. I love Rey because I relate to her! These past couple of years I have been so lost in regards to finding who I am and what my place is in this world- In fact, I still am searching. However, Rey has given me hope!

>>219106830
Millenials are a prequel breed. Cope

They are all terrible movies. The whole thing is a train wreck with 7 being a rehash of 4 made by shareholder committees, 8 was made subversive on purpose, and 9 tried to correct course but just became comically bad.

>>219111140
It is still a bad movie that was made stupid on purpose. That alone makes it irredeemable irony-poisoned trash.

>>219111274
>cheap Abrams nostalgiaslop
Literally what lead SW to it's current state of stagnation

>>219106220
This.
The only time I've seen someone post on social media anything like "I'm doing a Star Wars marathon, including the sequels!" was a community college classmate who I initially wanted to bang but turned out to be retarded

>>219111853
It was conscious decisions by everyone involved that lead to the brand being utterly dead. It not only can’t appeal to anyone officially it also can’t appeal to anyone outside of Disney’s shit due to them nuking the EU.

>>219104752
Never. Leftist freaks have screeched all this time about how in 10 years the sequel trilogy fans would be here and they aren't. Disney is embarrassed by them, it's the worst trilogy of film ever made and it won't be beaten anytime soon.

>>219112398
>it's the worst trilogy of film ever made
Jurassic World trilogy with Pratt and BDH is worse.

>>219110346
But I bet you love Rogue One for the very fucking reasons you hate TFA

>>219112497
What's the deal with those two movies? People who hate TFA like Rogue One and people who hate Rogue One like TFA.

>>219112548
Rogue One is seen as riskier and more surprising, subversive but in a good way, while TFA is safe and formulaic. I've never really seen anyone who likes TFA enough to praise it or defend it after its initial theatrical run

>>219112764
>Rogue One is seen as riskier and more surprising, subversive but in a good way
Lmao Rogue One is about as fucking safe as it fucking comes. Just admit you're a biased twat.

Kids today don't care about Star Wars. There are always full shelves of star wars toys at discount stores so they obviously arnt interested so there will not be a nostalgic wave of thisbin the next 10 or 20 years.

>>219112986
>There are always full shelves of star wars toys at discount stores
Yep, it's all sequel trilogy and disney plus slop. They're still trying to get rid of Last Jedi toys after all this time.

>>219112841
On my first viewing I didn't expect all of the main good guys to die, so at least there's that.
Even though from the beginning you know yes they're going to get the plans, and I wish they hadn't added shit like the "Vader's epic slaughter" scene

>>219112456
>Jurassic World trilogy
The Sequels destroy every original character's arc and negate all of their achievements.

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>>219104752
This is an amazing film

>>219113362
>On my first viewing I didn't expect all of the main good guys to die
You didn't expect this group of fucking unlikable pricks who have no other ties to the original trilogy to die? Hell it's like they made them all unlikable so you wouldn't care that they die.

I think if people really focus on Kylo Ren and forget how much of a trainwreck everything else was the sequels could get upgraded from “abject garbage” to “wasted potential”

>>219104752
It would take imaginary time to make this happen. I’m talking about some weird, inverted extradimensional timewave that created an entirely different sequel trilogy.

>>219113576
Before Rogue One came out there was a theory that Jyn Erso would have a connection to the sequels and turn out to be Rey's mom.
Which seemed compelling enough at the time, given the obvious Rey's parents mystery box and the physical resemblance between the two actresses

I despise the sequels because it only strengthened the prequel apologists, among a hundred other reasons. This franchise is cursed.

reminder: strange magic is how george lucas originally envisioned labyrinth.

>>219104752
lol
It has already been a decade and they have been thoroughly hated.
They aren’t even divisive like the Prequel trilogy. I can count the moments I enjoyed from them. And I think the most memorable thing was the Stormtrooper that bested the black guy in melee combat.

>>219112986
Where do I find those stores? Cause I’m looking for some Clone Troopers an-
>>219113135
>all sequel trilogy and disney plus slop
Oh. Forget it then.

>>219114841
Yeah there is literally nobody standing up for the sequel trilogy, even the target demographic (kids) wanted nothing to do with it or the toys except for BB-8

>>219115052
the disney star wars target demographic didn't exist and will never exist.

>>219104808
Which, despite what you'll read on here, is the majority opinion among people who don't throw temper tantrums about Mary Sues.

>>219107173
episode II has been the best star wars movie ever since it came out and episode I has been the second best ever since episode II came out. I understand why people would have issues with phantom but never understood any dislike for clones. great balance of action and politics with a huge variety of settings.

>>219115271
The target demo was people who liked the OT and thought the prequels did everything wrong, which is why Force Awakens grossed 2 billion and The Mandalorian was initially mega popular and drove the wide adoption of Disney+
Though it's likely that this target demo mostly does not exist *anymore*

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>>219115357
They're not good either, just forgotten by everyone not engaged in culture war fighting.

>>219115448
>Attack of the Clones is better than Empire Strikes Back
The fuck are you smoking

>>219110539
The only quotes people remember from the sequels are the ones that are uniformly mocked for being shit, like
>somehow palpatine returned
>they fly now x3
>it's me, i'm the mole
People can't even remember dumb shit like the your mom joke from the start of TLJ, they know it happened but nobody's quoting it.

>>219115514
the target demographic was WOMEN who liked the OT and even they hated the sequels, you utter fucking moron. The goal of the prequels was to turn WOMEN into a media consumer powerhouse and IT FUCKING FAILED CATEGORICALLY IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE MANNER

SO STOP FUCKING LYING

>>219104752
reasons why this cope will never happen:
1. prequels still had a bunch of fans at the time despite the hate
2. rots got good reviews and people claiming it redeemed the series, sequels got worse as they went on
3. prequels sold a bunch of merch and had good video games. if you dont like the movies you probably still liked lego star wars or had the toys as a kid
4. prequels had funny shit that people started to like 'ironically', sequels are fully serious

>>219114967
Sadly, the only OT or even prequel merch they make these days are overpriced Lego sets targeted at the perpetual manchild with too much disposal income.

>>219115733
>The goal of the prequels
sequels. sequels. fuck this franchise is so fucking dead you can't even think straight about it anymore. it revolutionized hollywood and is now not even a joke.

what are the most “memorable” (aka retarded) moments of the movies?

>Rose crashing into Finn at full speed
>”somehow palpatine returned”
>”traitor!” guy

what else?

>>219104752
Prequels:
>Greivous
>Darth maul
>Dooku
>Qui-Gon
>Obi Wan
>Clones
>Jar Jar
>Clone military tech
>Battle Droids
>Jedi Order
>Space battles
>Soundtrack
>Space ships

These things alone made the Prequels fan favorites

Sequels:
>Phasma= Flop
>First Order= Flop
>Kylo Ren= Flop
>Snoke= Flop and irrelevant

The ST has literally nothing going for it

>>219115733
Force Awakens still grossed 2 billion and The Mandalorian was initially popular enough to quickly make Disney+ one of the top streaming players. Women alone cannot account for all of that. Sorry these simple facts rile you up so much

>>219104752
By this time the Prequels were already well into their "reappraisment" and had been successfully selling EU works, toys, and merchandise since day 1 uninterrupted. The Sequels by contrast are a decade old and opinion of them has actually gotten worse, additionally they were complete disasters from a EU, Toy, and Merchandise standpoint.

>>219115928
Finn and Rose failed to recruit the right hacker because they illegally parked the ship on the beach, which resulted in the destruction of most of the Rebels.

>>219115514
The target demographic were people who didn't give a shit about Star Wars (women, current gen kids), they basically came out and said the original audience wasn't the audience anymore.

>>219112209
so why didn't you bang him

>>219115974
and then you stop being dishonest and adjust for inflation and you find star wars grossed four times that in 1977.

the mandalorian almost revitalized the franchise but then had every albatross of the franchise dragging it down.

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>>219116018
muh merch

>>219104752
Never. Only here does anyone remember these shit piles. The rest of the conscious collective has already moved on.

>>219115928
>Individual planets are seen being blown up by Starkiller Base, from the surface of a planet in another solar system, which is not how perspectives across space work

>Oh no, Rey accidentally killed Chewie
>Chewie is revealed to actually be fine 5 minutes later

>"I'm the spy!"

>>219115974
i saw TFA in theaters. For free. The tickets were GIVEN AWAY. disney only started doing this openly with black panther.

STOP FUCKING LYING

>>219110539
This is a cool looking scene. There's so much to hate and pick apart about this movie but the autistic moaning about it "breaking canon" or the random extra in the fight scene's knife disappearing was just butthurt fanboys trying to prove that it was somehow objectively the worst movie ever made.

>>219104808
They were just total nothing. At least the gay ass prequels had entertaining duels.

>>219116024
The fact that they went off on their wild goose chase in the first place really just reinforces the idea that every character in the sequels is functionally retarded.
>need a hacker
>old asian lady alien tells them about one
>doesn't give them a name
>doesn't give them a picture
>doesn't give them a description beyond "wears a flower in his lapel"
>doesn't even narrow down his location, they just know he's somewhere on casino planet
Who in their right mind would even chase after this guy if they only have enough space-hours before the fleet runs out of space-gas?

>>219116223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw

If Disney had more brains than pride they would relegate the sequel trilogy to the expanded universe and start anew. None of this first order bullshit either, just a fresh original story with stormtroopers that look like stormtroopers and x-wings that look like x-wings, not this “same feel with an updated, bolder design” garbage some coke-sniffing marketing intern sold them on. All the hard work was done for them already, which was creating the universe and everything in it. All they had to do was set up the pieces and move them around a little like a big playset. Star Wars is a license to print money and instead of just flicking the switch they insisted on building an entirely new printing press.

>>219104752
It’s already been ten years since TFA and people have only rated it lower and lower since TLJ came out, so probably never. The people who “grew up” with these would be teenager to adults by now, yet rarely do you find any online presence for anyone calling these movies good in their own right. Especially without resorting to serious whataboutism. Say what you will of the prequels, but at least its fans can point to exactly what they love about those movies.

>>219116149
It's fucking stupid. Why didn't they just ram the Mega Death Star in the last movie instead of risking everything on the microscopic chance that their (non-force sensitive) pilots could pull a Luke Skywalker again?

>>219116323
they killed the expanded universe. because they wanted sole control over star wars.

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>>219104752
The prequels were always seen as good world building and bad movies. It's not like they're getting heavily reevaluated by a new community.

The ST lacks ideas, world building, narrative and character arcs. It has some great spectacle. On a technical level, the films are pretty astounding. That's it. Nostalgia for them will happen, as it does, but not any real defense.

>>219116323
>not this “same feel with an updated, bolder design” garbage some coke-sniffing marketing intern sold them on.
Funfact, this was specifically to let them have 100% of toy sales. If they sold toys of C3P0, they had to give George a large royalty. But if he has a red arm for whatever reason, then Disney keeps all the proceeds.

>>219115928
>kylo and his two wingmen practically solo kek the entire rebel fleet
>"noooo get back here we can't cover you"
>never send out any more fighters/bombers/anything for the rest of the movie despite having a fleet that dwarfs the one at Endor

>>219116149
Except he wasn’t a random extra, he was a primary combatant. If that knife hadn’t despawned just because, the story would be drastically different. These aren’t nitpicks, they’re things that needed to be accounted for in the writing and choreography instead of being passed off to some pajeet to fix in post while the higher ups think (You) are too stupid to notice.

>>219116454
the prequels were seen as bad movies and bad movies. period.

>>219116424
They call it Star Wars Legends and say none of it is canon, so fine just do that. Retitle the films to remove the “Episode x”, add in a subtitle that says “A Star Wars Legends adventure” or something like that. Nobody will miss anything.

>>219116565
No, there's plenty of fandom for -stuff from- the prequels even among people who acknowledge they are bad movies

>>219116611
except that would be an admission of failure by a publicly traded company.

>>219116686
so star wars, despite the utter failure of the prequels as movies, survived because there was a means to either ignore them or improve them.

yeah.

ah yes, the time george sold to a woman and jews who immediately proceeded to bulldoze the franchise identity, I am increasingly nostalgic for those times as I am sure all the young kids who bought rey action figures (all four of them) who will transform the way these movies are seen any day now when they grow up

>>219116094
Yes, Star Wars has been about selling toys from day one when demand was so high they sold empty boxes with IOUs in them.
Boba Fett is only popular because he was a cool toy that was banned when some dumb kid choked on the spring loaded missile.

>>219116800
hi kathleen

>>219116690
>hey remember butthole eyes, hermit luke squirting blue milk from an alien’s teat, and somehow the emperor has returned? yeah we’re disowning that, publicly hanging Kathleen Kennedy from a gallows we erected in Epcot, and making a new trilogy that doesn’t stink on ice.
Shareholders would be doing cartwheels and the stock price would shoot up 20% overnight.

>>219116860
>>hey, shareholders, remember these abject failures? well we're admitting we failed for over a fucking decade... so uh don't uh sell our stock please

>>219116690
Domino’s whole thing for the past 15+ years has been “hey remember when we used to suck? sorry about that!” and it has worked wonders for them.

yeah as a kid I didn't understand the prequels at all, like I thought they were like the future of the OT somehow and they recast Luke and there's shit fighting other shit and it looks cool, but at the same time there was lots of cool games and toys to play with and thats what a lot of other kids were into too

dont think any of that happened for the disney movies

>>219116860
implying a company made up of 50% of women will ever admit failure, they'd rather destroy sw than admit any mistakes

>>219117040
>a company made up of 50% of women
Imagine believing this

>>219116949
Everybody is more than aware of the failure, announcing a plan to remedy it will restore faith in the brand and the company.
They’re not putting a man on mars, they just have to make a spaceship & swords movie that doesn’t suck. They didn’t kill anyone with their terrible fucking movies, there’s no fear of legal consequences. They just have to eat some crow.

>>219104752
When Hell freezes over. 2000s kids liked the PT way harder than 80s kids loved the OT and merch wise, it's not even close.

No child gives a flying fuck about the Sequels. Every kid gave a fuck about the PT. No one ever reevaluated them. The generation that always liked them just got old enough to talk about it. The PT was shitting out merch, video games, and cartoons all through out and for years after ROTS. The Sequels dropped off the map and have never been touched again since TROS.

Arguing 'Sequels will be liked later' is RLMfag cope because the Sequels look like the studio mandated them to follow Mike Stoklasa's notes and after making hating the Prequels blindly without actually understanding their fuckups lead to much worse filmmaking because GenXers are subhuman animals who don't deserve rights and cannot into basic logic. Gas all GenX.

>>219116949
The whole point of admitting failure is to imply you'll be doing better instead of doing what they're doing now and just going "w-we're doing great! everyone loves us! it's just the mean old trolls and haters!" while everything falls to shit around them.

>>219115357
i can guarantee you that the people who think that have seen each sequel precisely once and haven't bothered to watch them again
and if they did they would notice how bad the films are
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>>219115974
force awakens grossed 2 billies on a budget of $450 million
it had to make a billion just to break even
at the 1.5 billie mark did profits start to come in
take the remainder of that (about 700 million), cut it in half and that's what lucasfilm takes home, 350 million

in the grand scheme of things that ain't shit when compared to how the originals and sequels grossed

and don't forget returns diminished with each succeeding film. rogue one cost about $200 million and made 1.5 billies, TLJ cost about $300 million and made 1.3 billies, solo cost $320-350m after reshoots and grossed only 600m something, the first star wars film to ever flop and lose money, rise cost about the same as farce engorges and barely made a billion, also a flop.

disney made a film that broke the billion dollar mark and it was an economic failure. let that sink in.

>>219111140
>*underhated
ftfy

>>219116987
The prequels had toys for shit like Darth Maul's double lightsaber, heaps of new starships and a wealth of new action figures. Even if nobody was asking their parents for a Chancellor Valorum or Boss Nass figure, they had Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Maul, Jango, Mace Windu, clonetroopers, Grievous and a whole lot of shit. On top of which there was easily over a dozen video games coming out during the prequel period and most of them were pretty good.
Compare that to the prequels where there's no cool characters whatsoever to make toys of and the only games they get are Lego tie-ins, while practically every other game that's come out since is an OT or prequel callback.

>>219117526
Compare that to the sequels, shit. I'm doing the same shit this anon was. >>219115914

>>219117190
Nope. Until someone admits failure, the shareholders can be glad-handed indefinitely, because they don't care and aren't paying attention. Because its a confidence game. Its confidence artistry. Its fraud.

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>>219117257
i would like to apologize, it seems disney was finally honest about how much each sequel film actually cost

the force awakens cost $535 million to make. it is literally the most expensive film ever made and is just a shitty rehash of the original film lmao

>>219117221
admitting failure in an era where your entire business model is obsolete and you have no plan for the future because there is no possible plan to undo the unplanned obsolescence of your business model isn't how you regain shareholder confidence.

>>219111140
It's overrated as fuck. Even when it had first come out people were gushing over it and swearing it was the greatest SW movie of all time, yet couldn't articulate a single reason why it's supposedly so good beyond vague statements like
>it's revolutionary
>it broke new ground
>it subverted expectations
If they'd just said something like
>duh I liked when the big space explosion happened
it'd at least be more honest. There's nothing worth defending in the movie but people still try to go to bat for it.

>>219117688
They probably should have thought of that before they went into a multi-billion dollar media project without a single plan of how to actually do it.
The point being made is that a company SHOULD be admitting failure and taking steps to correct it in this instance, but since Disney have no intention of doing the latter, that's their justification for not doing the former.

>>219117257
>>219117633
The question wasn't whether it was profitable, or how much. It was whether it reached an audience or not, which something that grossed 2 billion clearly did, no matter how you slice it.

>>219117688
>>219117782
now now anons, bob iger already admitted that disney made a mistake in prioritizing the message over good storytelling, and promised to cut back on messaging. he promised it so much that disney fired a few hundred people and continued to prioritize the message over good storytelling, and giving projects insanely bloated budgets to the point that the fucking mandalorian movie is the cheapest thing they've put out in over a decade.

>>219104752
It's harder to work with compared to the prequels because there's just not a lot going on. The prequels had good ideas that were badly implemented in the films, but there was a ton to work with as far as memes or things to analyze. The sequels, meanwhile, is just cardboard characters moving from one location to the next, with other plot-characters added and killed off soon after. There isn't really even a story to it beyond the basic theme of the good jedi fighting the evil sith empire (again). Since all the plot elements are introduced and expended in the same movie, there's no flow to anything. One of the biggest weaknesses of the OT was the fact Lucas expected episode 1 to be a standalone movie, and then had to go back and write around two more movies that somehow flowed from the first despite there being no setup for it. The sequels somehow managed to recreate that writing error, despite knowing from the beginning that it would be a trilogy.

I've been farting real loud out of my ass

>>219117926
FPBP

>>219117873
considering the lack of cultural relevance i'd say it failed to reach that audience. reminder anon that a film could make 2 billion if the entire population of china, india or indonesia went to see a movie twice, and it wouldn't require involvement from any other country. ne zha 2 is the highest grossing animated film of all time and barely released in territories outside of china.

>>219116987
The fact the prequels were so cool that kids liked it despite the story being too complex for them is a huge selling point in its favor.

>>219117782
except the plan was built entirely around how shareholder confidence works. read: as long as they keep spending money to produce media then shareholder confidence remains high.

>>219118011
>lack of cultural relevance is something that can reach backward in time and un-sell a ticket

>>219118011
>ne zha 2 is the highest grossing animated film of all time and barely released in territories outside of china
It really was funny trying to see people brag about that and pretending that anyone outside of China had even heard about it, let alone gave a shit about it.

>>219118011
It's harder to work with compared to the prequels because there's just not a lot going on. The prequels had good ideas that were badly implemented in the films, but there was a ton to work with as far as memes or things to analyze. The sequels, meanwhile, is just cardboard characters moving from one location to the next, with other plot-characters added and killed off soon after. There isn't really even a story to it beyond the basic theme of the good jedi fighting the evil sith empire (again). Since all the plot elements are introduced and expended in the same movie, there's no flow to anything. One of the biggest weaknesses of the OT was the fact Lucas expected episode 1 to be a standalone movie, and then had to go back and write around two more movies that somehow flowed from the first despite there being no setup for it. The sequels somehow managed to recreate that writing error, despite knowing from the beginning that it would be a trilogy.

>>219118056
>we keep spending hundreds of millions of dollars per episode to make absolute garbage that nobody watches
>???
>profit
Sounds like a pretty shitty plan, my point stands.

>>219118155
if no one was watching, why would they keep making it?

checkmate atheist.

>>219118083
Lack of cultural relevance is the reason why they're so hesitant to make any more Star Wars movies that have anything to do with the sequels.
They made a billy or two on the movies, but everything they've put out since has bombed because the people who actually paid to see the movies were subsequently burned on the franchise because of how fucking bad they were.

>>219118194
Because they're fucking retarded, we've already established this.

>>219116987
>dont think any of that happened for the disney movies
only the force awakens had a tie-in game, and it was lego themed. the others were lumped into an overhaul, none of them had any individual titles. only the force awakens had a tie-in show, and it was canned after two seasons because nobody watched it or cared for it.
>>219117138
it's true when you take the leadership into account, anon isn't referring to the busy bees that make up the bulk of the employees, just the heads of the hydra.
>>219117203
this so fucking much, nothing will ever top the hype for phantom menace.
>>219117526
the funny thing is disney has admitted that they don't understand the video game market at all. this is why kennedy let EA have an exclusive publishing/developing license. this is why disney infinity flopped. somehow the knowledge of how to handle tie-in games got lost when the jews decided to focus on putting more women, jeets and niggers in positions of power.

>>219118253
It's harder to work with compared to the prequels because there's just not a lot going on. The prequels had good ideas that were badly implemented in the films, but there was a ton to work with as far as memes or things to analyze. The sequels, meanwhile, is just cardboard characters moving from one location to the next, with other plot-characters added and killed off soon after. There isn't really even a story to it beyond the basic theme of the good jedi fighting the evil sith empire (again). Since all the plot elements are introduced and expended in the same movie, there's no flow to anything. One of the biggest weaknesses of the OT was the fact Lucas expected episode 1 to be a standalone movie, and then had to go back and write around two more movies that somehow flowed from the first despite there being no setup for it. The sequels somehow managed to recreate that writing error, despite knowing from the beginning that it would be a trilogy.

>>219118305
Great job missing the point. Shareholders think if a media production company keeps making media then the media they produced is successful.

Because shareholders are not only retarded, the shareholders are also the media production company themselves. Yes, insider trading.

>>219118141
>sequels somehow managed to recreate that writing error
The sequels went with the "auteur approach" of letting each filmmaker do his own thing, because it was perceived to have been successful when the OT did it, as each of those had a different director.
But the sequels went a step further/worse in never having any overarching plan at all. If they had matched the OT approach then JJ would have written outlines for the second and third films after TFA came out, including what was inside his mystery boxes

>>219118481
It's harder to work with compared to the prequels because there's just not a lot going on. The prequels had good ideas that were badly implemented in the films, but there was a ton to work with as far as memes or things to analyze. The sequels, meanwhile, is just cardboard characters moving from one location to the next, with other plot-characters added and killed off soon after. There isn't really even a story to it beyond the basic theme of the good jedi fighting the evil sith empire (again). Since all the plot elements are introduced and expended in the same movie, there's no flow to anything. One of the biggest weaknesses of the OT was the fact Lucas expected episode 1 to be a standalone movie, and then had to go back and write around two more movies that somehow flowed from the first despite there being no setup for it. The sequels somehow managed to recreate that writing error, despite knowing from the beginning that it would be a trilogy.

>>219104752
The OT was good and grew organically into extreme popularity through adults and kids who grew up enjoying them.
The prequels were very poorly written, but they were their own thing and had enough fun stuff going on that the kids who grew up with them developed nostalgia for it.
The sequels were made and marketed for manchildren with no regard for actual children, so there's no nostalgia potential. Kids don't ask to watch The Last Jedi for the tenth time in one summer. They don't beg for matching Finn and Rey toys for Christmas. The kids don't care and the consumerist manchild crowd moved on to film weepy reaction videos of the next corporate product. The sequels have no road to redemption.

>>219118481
That’s the thing, episodes 1-6 were all the vision of Lucas. Kershner and Marquand were there to get the shots, period. They had a degree of creative control with some ad-libbed dialogue and which takes to use but everything still had to go to George for his stamp of approval.
If he had just kept up with that formula and not insisted on directing the entire PT himself maybe he wouldn’t have burnt himself out and maybe we’d still have an independent Lucasfilm putting out creative and fun (albeit rough) Star Wars films.

>>219119019
the OT was george lucas being questioned and overridden. The prequels were a horde of sycophants doing whatever george wanted. strange magic was george's original pitch for labyrinth.

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Something I don’t understand though: why is there a rebellion in the first place? How is the Empire still so sizeable? I get that after Vader killed Palpatine there would be a power vacuum and the Empire wouldn’t fall straight away, but since Kylo Ren is his grandson it has been an entire generation since then.

>>219119126
t. has no idea what he's talking about
maybe you should read the making of books instead of using outdated youtuber talking points

>>219120626
The First Order (what you are calling the Empire) exists because Somehow Palpatine Returned.
The Resistance (what you are calling the rebellion) is a proxy force meant to counter the First Order, secretly funded and supported by the New Galactic Republic- which couldn't create its own official standing army again because no one wanted a repeat of what happened at the end of the Clone Wars

>>219106220
TPBP

>>219120852
okay george, i'll just defer to you forever instead of looking at your filmography. you've been completely honest and consistent your entire career.

>>219121046
How will George recover from this?!