>an Orc character is said to be central to the overarching storyline, initially traveling with Galadriel and Arondir across Middle-earthThere is no way this is true, right?
>>219118397
Grogu is from the books
Didn't Tolkien regret not giving Orcs any humanity?
>>219118534>down hobbit
they wuz good boys
>>219118534Truly some Weimar shit right here
>>219118776frodos ancestor
>>219118397I see two Orcs in that picture though?
>>219118397I thought the gay black elf actor quit?
>>219118534love this image, at first you see the nignong and roll your eyes, then you see that fucking chief sitting bull looking motherfucker and start chuckling and then the downie hits you like a mac truck and you fucking lose it completely
>>219118397I have a confession, /tv/It was meI asked for thisI asked for Bezos to keep making this showSorry, JRR
>>219118397>>219118534I'm so tired of modernity.
>>219118534When do we get the ethnic cleansing episode?Gotta justify where all this diversity went to after all.
>>219118397as long as they tell a good (or at least interesting) story, like it could be good.they have not been doing this and will continue not doing this
>>219118397Notice how literally nobody is watching this show and yet they still won't cancel it? Pedowood no longer cares about profits. They're entirely funded by dark money from the CIA and child and organ trafficking.
>>219122753Wasn't this shit already funded for 5 seasons back when they announced it or am I imagining things?
so like gollum traveled with sam and frodo?
AIslopgo outside, anon
>>219122753Even my normalfag family members, who usually gobble up absolutely any kind of slop, dropped this garbage show halfway through the first season. They watch shit like Peaky Blinders, imagine how awful RoP has to be.
>>219127178kek
>>219118534
>>219118397>orc characteris this a new word?
>>219127178
>>219118397u wot m8?
>>219120954lost!
Its probably better than the new Harry Potter
>>219118534How come these 1000s of years old communities have strictly prohibited interracial relationships apparently?
People like these ruins your showSay something nice to them
>>219118534Only an American, and possibly some Englishmen, could ever think that this is believable.>middle earth is just like my morning commute fr
>>219118397I hope it's Ratbag. Fuck it
I for one think we should all embrace Orcs and start letting them into our communities and schools.
>>219128465It needs to be illegal for non-Whites to have White names.
>>219118534>>219118397>>219128465
>>219118534OH NO THE ACTORS THEY CAST TO PLAY THE MAGIC FANTASY BEINGS AREN'T ALL PINK SKINNED SCANDINAVIANS...ITS A GENOCIDE Y'ALLfirst world problems
>>219126908lefty retard
>>219118397>we will see Galadriel fuck an Orc in 2026
>>219129294Well I do live in the first world, what other kind of problem would I have?
>>219118534Looks like they hit random on the character generation screen.
>>219118592Its not as simple as that, if you give them humanity then killing them enmasse like they did would be genocide.
>>219129294oh, I thought appropriating other people's culture was supposed to be bad
>>219129294>MAGIC FANTASY BEINGS**based on Nordic mythologyfuck off brownoid
>>219129294Brown hypocrisy will be the death of them.
>>219118397holy kek they're really doing it
Galadrin fucked SauronGaladriel fucked a black guyNow Galadriel fucks an OrcJesus..it's better if Celeborn doesn't appear anymore.
>>219118397Everyone involved in this deserved to be stricken with terminal cancer
>>219129365
>>219118397People watch this shit?
>>219130550No, it's like The Wheel of time. Nobody watched it but it got to season 3 for some reason. Their woke experiment failed and they willing to burn money to own da chuds
>>219118397>Christopher Tolkien blocked this>Christopher Tolkien suddenly dies>Amazon gets the rights to do whatever it wants with the Tolkien IP with no regard for being authentic to what JRR Tolkien actually created
>>219130488Aragorn is a little bitch in the movies though, in the book he has no doubts about being king and it is his goal as early as the Council of Elrond
>>219118397>nothing has any meaning>bad people have feelings too>it's just a costume party for nerds >this is not made for youGee, why don't you guy watch our TV-show?
this can't be real right? you just know they are going to make a point about orcs not being all bad and judging people and it's so tiresome
>>219130575i watched episode 1 and noped out
>>219130550I hate-watched it. It was awful. It does NOT feel like hundreds of millions were spent on it.
>>219128465more like The NIGGER Panel
>>219130550I watch it to spot the propaganda
>>219118534ONE CHROMOSOME TO RULE THEM ALL
>>219122753They already spent the money under the assumption anything LotR would be a hit. I remember an executive saying they needed it to be "appointment television." They can't get off the crazy train now, they bought all the tickets
>>21912846570% of the ecconomy is just "diveristy" jobs for woman or negros at this pointliterally zero productivity
>>219118397lol you cant make this shit up. I mean seriously: Nobody was able to make this up, we theorized endlessly how shit this series was going to be and nobody was able to predict this.
>>219118397Is it an orc or uruk? Because orcs are suppose to be short, probably as tall as dwarves while an Uruk is taller, probably as tall as a short-to-medium height man.
>>219118534Gondor should be the only place that actually has some multi-racial or multi-ethnic society since they had an Empire, had constant contact with Haradrim and Easterlings through warfare and even captured and held some cities and provinces of Umbar and the Haradrim for a while.
>>219118397So which one does Galadrial fuck? The nig-elf or the orc?
>>219131839and Gondor should be extremely racist as a consequence. Remember: just because you are exposed to other races doesnt mean that your society is going to like being exposed to them
>>219126908Why is this image making me laugh so hard
>>219131768He is a human being and made in image of God just like you, he bleed red like you, stop hate.>RACISM outside of /b/
>>219131938It remimds you of good-natured golden era internet' funny images, long before they were called meme.
>>219131327Why does this trigger you though?
>>219118534why does middle earth look like an LA slum?
>>219130541zamn. this chick is like a million times hotter than show galadriel
>>219132063where do you think they got the actors?
>>219118397and the experts agree
>>219118397>getting 2 manlet actors to stand back so that the woman in the clip is still taller than them.Jesus, i think i'd need to go to a shooting range or something to regain my manhood if i had to engage in constant humiliation rituals like this just to keep my job.
>>2191305503x speed plus skipping the genuinely unwatchable plotlines
>>219130550only youtube recaps
>>219132117being unwilling doesnt mean that they arent evil beings. It just that they dont want to be forced to march into war by and for some dude called Sauron.
>>219128515>sure, we may have some crime, but have you tried the lembas street tacos?
>>219132162its AI you moron
>>219130726
>>219132187redeemable and thus ultimately good beings, according to Tolkien.
>>219132190>doesn't have to live near niggers>thinks niggers are tolerableMany such cases among worthless people who have thrown away western civilization.
>>219132246>>doesn't have to live near n****rsTolkien was born and raised in Africa.
>>219132190>words words words
I've only watched S1 and bailed out. Horrible show. It only deserves to be watched on webms on 4ch.
>>219132238yeah sure, by that definition Sauron is also redeemable which is technically true. He's still a lifelong evil piece of shit that deserves to be killed on sight. Orcs are genetically evil, do you understand that? It means that they were bred to violent, aggressive, evil, enjoying causing harm and killing. You are talking about some theoretical dream orc that somehow gets tired of murdering all day.
>>219132274Thanks for admitting that reading less than one page of Tolkien's words is an impossible task for you.No chuds have ever read Tolkien.
>>219132282>Orcs are genetically evil, do you understand that?Show me where Tolkien discusses Orc genetics.
>>219131940The Orcs are derived from a bunch of tortured Elves that Morgoth captured and enslaved.>>219131937Yeah. I think I remember in Return of the King when one of the messengers from Gondor was begging Theoden to send his cavalry forces as soon as possible and Theoden was saying that he needed more time to gather more men. The messenger said that by the time the Rohirrim arrives at Minas Tirith, the "Swerthy men" would be in the halls of the capital feasting. The irony is that plenty of the Gondorians from the provinces and rural areas are swarthy or at least light brown, especially if they don't have Numernorean lineage like Prince Imrahil. Those same Gondorians, whether they were light skinned or swarthy, defended Gondor.
>>219132333This truthnuke is going to make lorelet chuds piss themselves with rage.
>>219132063>>219118534it's important to the subtext. Everything gets better when the darkies get deported back to the sutherland, and it stays great until the Orks come back to culturally enrich Gondor
>>219130488Accurate except it's gonna be Sam's daughter. Amazing how we can predict this shit ten years out.
>>219132208no its fucking not retard, its basic cinematography. You dumb gorilla nigger. Hollywierd has been tricking the audience into thinking actors are taller or smaller than they really are for 100 fucking years, retard.
>>219118397The damage done by Dungeons and Dragons is truly immeasurable Orcs aren't another race. Orcs are humans and elves who are so full of themselves and so given to evil they've become caricatures of themselves. Orcs are the white supremacists of the world of LotR, the idea that they're supposed to be a disenfranchised race is utterly ridiculous and fails media literacy almost immediately. God dammit
>>219132359
>>219132321is this a joke dude? what do you think "breeding" means? It means genetics. https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Orcs/Origin
>>219132483You're arguing with far-left trannies, anon. Words mean whatever they want them to mean at that moment.
>>219132483No, people talked about "breeding" long before genes were discovered or even theorized. Show me where Tolkien talks about genetics.
>>219132459refute a single thing that anon said, lorelet.
>>219118397>an Orc joining Galadriel on her journey as a warrior princesswe could debate “not all orcs” or whatever but we all know Tolkien himself would never write something like this.
>>219132543it's irrelevant how or why people talked about breeding, the point is that breeding something towards a purpose changes its genetics. Whether the word "genetics" was known or not is irrelevant.
>>219132359Not really, we have been having Lord of the Rings threads on /tv/ for a long time and I have even used some of the passages from the LoTR books to highlight some of the diversity of Gondor in previous threads. What people on here are whining about is the actual "forced diversity" of the Hobbits and Elves. Elves don't normally mix with other humans so they are suppose to be Nordic-looking with pointy ears. Hobbits have had their own communities far from Gondor and Gondor's war and trade with the Haradrim and Umbar and Wainriders of Rhun. So there shouldn't be Black, Brown and Asian Hobbits either.What Hollywood should do is create a Fantasy world that had the same generic medieval fantasy societies and then fast forward those Societies centuries to when there is now high technology similar to the 21st century and the Elves, Humans and Dwarves are mixed. Or in other words, create their own original t.v. series instead of injecting Leftist ideology into the works of Tolkien.
>>219118397>>219118534Amazon copies the Russian book were the Orcs are poor and misunderstood.
Its AI. you people are beyond saving
>>219132584Yeah, imagine the Hobbits travelling with some evil baby-eating monster. The very idea would be abhorrent to Tolkien, who had zero interest in exploring the morally gray aspects of characters who have been corrupted by the power evil.
>>219132584If an orc decides to turn a new leaf and join the goddies then they stop being an orc, they go back to being an elf. It's like Gollum and Smeagol. Orcs are a bunch of Gollums
>>219127178löl
>>219132569Swarthy referred to Gondor's enemies from the far south and east. Basically, Haradrim = arabs, and Easterlings = mongols (v. generally). And swarthy doesn't mean 'black as de hat jigaboo nignogs'. It just means darker than usual for N. Europeans. Faggot.
>>219132596So all scientific discoveries in the real world are canon in LotR, whether Tolkien wanted it or not?
Still not watching it
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
>>219128465Not only is Butler a nigger but he also got that Innsmouth vibe going.
>>219132612Chuds:>Elves don't normally mix with other humans so they are suppose to be Nordic-lookingTolkien:>"Not Nordic, please! A word I personally dislike; it is associated, though of French origin, with racialist theories." - Interview with Daily Telegraph, 1967
>>219126908Gollum was a Hobbit not Orc, retard.
>>219129294Having filthy niggers invade really is a problem of the first world.
The left when they hear that JRRT supported the Nationalists in the Spanish civil war.
>>219127178Any orcish to english translater here ?
>>219132650yes, basic sciences like gravity, genetics and the flow of time are all still real even in a fantasy book unless these basic rules of reality/physics/biology are otherwise specified
>>219132333>>219132359Citation needed.
>>219132031Cuz it's funny
Morgothslam is a religion of peace!
>>219132774>a 16 yo from mordor is crying, while awaiting registration in a refugee camp near gondor
>>219131839The Numenoreans of Gondor considered a half-blood son of their king not a true Dunedain but sure thing, Gondor should’ve been multiracial like modern California. >Minalcar charged Valacar to learn the language, manners and policies of the Northmen. Valacar learned to love the country and the the Northmen and married Vidumavi, the daughter of Vidugavia. During this stay in Rhovanion his son Eldacar was born who also received the name Vinitharya in the language of the Northmen. After some years Valacar returned to Gondor. The high men of Gondor disapproved that the heir to the crown had married a woman of a lesser and alien race. Vidumavi was a beautiful and noble lady, but had a shorter life compared to the longer lifeexpectancy of the Dúnedain. Some Dúnedain feared that his descendants would also have a short life and fall from the majesty of the Kings of Men and did not want to accept Valacar as their lord. When Valacar grew old there was rebellion in the southern provinces.
>>219132333>>219132359Any citations, dumb troons?
>>219132839Mordor is Germany.
>>219132023The watermark indicates it's from a lotr facebook meme page though, which is post-cancer
>>219133343what about this?
Didn't watch season 1.Didn't watch season 2.Won't watch season 3.Won't watch Straight Outta Hogwartz.Not subscribed to Amazon Prime. Not Subscribed to Netflix.Not subscribed to any other streaming slop.
>>219118397I wouldn´t be surprised if it was though. I mean, you could tell they hadn´t got Galadriel right from the first trailer and once it was leaked that they weren´t even adapting anything, just making original content based on a few passages from the properties they did manage to secure, the show was dead for any actual Tolkien fan. Not that they ever actually cared though. This always felt like a big tax evasion/ money laundering scheme. No reason to get upset about it though, i don´t think anyone thinks of it as related to LOTR anyways.
>>219133609
>>219133609Nobody cares
>>219133609But you must consume... YOU MUST.
>>219133704RoP doesn’t even have organic fans, only Amazon “superfans” and one /tv/ schizo who thinks he owns the chuds with left-wing memes.
>>219118592No. In Tolkien's work, there is a distinct line between good and evil. The orcs are still beings and there is intelligence in them, but they will always be evil. They will never be redeemed, be integrated into polite society and contribute to civilization. There's plenty of Men in his work that are the same way, but there's also lots of Men that still can be saved and do good. There is room for white/black stories like this and not every single story needs to be gray now. The Elves are the pure goody-goodies, the Dwarves are mostly good but selfish, and everything can be corrupted by evil. Even the powerful Wizards sent by God were corrupted over time. The orcs, created directly by evil specifically to be easy to control and easily sent to their deaths, should not be humanized and empathized as some amazing creatures we should save and feel sad killing because they could make wondrous art and music if given a chance
>>219132970Read Return of the King.Also I made a rebuttal to >>219132359 with what I said here >>219132612.>>219132811>>219132970In my copy of the Return of the King: "...and the most part of the people of Gondor lived in the seven circles of the City, or in the high vales of the mountain-borders, in Lossarnach, or further south in fair Lebennin with its five swift streams. There dwelt a hardy folk between the mountains and the sea. They were reckoned men of Gondor, yet their blood was mingled, and there were short and swarthy folk among them whose sires came more from the forgotten men who housed in the shadow of the hills in the Dark Years ere the coming of the Kings. But beyond, in the great fief of Belfalas, dwelt Prince Imrahil in his castle of Dol Amroth by the sea, and he was of high blood, and his folk also, tall men and proud with sea-grey eyes." "...'Forlong has come' Bergil answered, 'old Furlong the fat, the Lord of Lossarnach. That is where my grandsire lives. Hurrah! Here he is. Good old Furlong!' "Leading the line there came walking a big thick-limbed horse, and on it sat a man of wide shoulders and huge girth, but old and grey-beared, yet mail-clad and black-helmed and bearing a long heavy spear. Behind him marched proudly a dusty line of men, well-armed and bearing great battleaxes; grim-faced they were, and shorter and somewhat swarthier than any men that Pippin had yet seen in Gondor."Book V, Chapter One: Minas Tirith "'A week!' said Hirgon. 'If it must be so, it must. But you are like to find only ruined walls in seven days from now, unless other help unlooked for comes. Still, you may at least disturb the Orcs and Swarthy Men from their feasting in the White Tower.'Book V, Chapter 3: The Muster of Rohan
>>219118397why do i get the feeling Rings of Power is nothing more than an expensive marketing campaign to keep the LOTR IP alive and fresh in people's minds to sell other merch/movies/games/etc and whatnot?
>What if the Orc got redeemed.>What if the spawn of pure evil, birthed by evil, corrupted and twisted by evil, got redeemed.
>>219135348They're doing a pretty bad job of it if so, I haven't seen a mention of it outside of these bait threads for years kek
>>219132947Gondor is multi-ethnic like Southern Europe, most like the Byzantine-Roman Empire or the Italian city states, especially Southern Italy.
>>219118534elves are fine because they live forever so you can justify it as Eru just experimenting with a bunch of different looks, skin colors, etcbut the hobbits are supposed to be this isolated group that's only been around each other for thousands of years. they should all look the same
>>219135484There are swarthy Hobbits, but they're a totally different tribe. I think they're the mountain hobbits or the wood hobbits, I forget which.
>>219135535yeah but arent those all "civilized" hobbits staying in the same place around hobbiton? also seemed like a much larger population so less dilution
>>219118534>the first thing we learn about the gippo hobbits is that they're a brutal survivalist society that leaves behind any individuals who can't keep a walking pace>but they don't drown the downie retards at birthYeah okay sure lmfao
>>219134839Yet another example of chuds rejecting what Tolkien himself said in order to keep projecting their own ideology onto his work.Almost everything you say in your post is just completely wrong and proves that you never read ANY Tolkien.>They will never be redeemedHere is what Tolkien says in Letter 153 on the question of whether Orcs are 'irredeemable': "that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making - necessary to their actual existence - even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good.)">The Elves are the pure goody-goodiesIt is impossible to believe this for anyone who has read even a single work of Tolkien. How about the Kinslaying at Alqualondë? How about Fëanor's sons attacking Doriath? Why was the Doom of Mandos necessary if Elves are purely good? Fucking lorelet
>>219135380Why do chuds pretend to know Tolkien's work better than Tolkien?
>>219125125No, amazon beat out hbo and netflix by guaranteeing 5 seasons. They will happen whether anyone watches or not.
>>219135742That's not the same Hobbit tribe. The down syndrome Hobbit belongs to a distinct, non-nomadic tribe introduced in S2.
>>219128532Some Orc are good! You can't judge them all collectively!
>>219135834This cope doesn't become true no matter how often you repeat it.
>>219130550No one even made memes of season 2.
>>219118397>>219118534Gay shit aside, how does a show with a 100mil dollar budget somehow look way worse then movies that came out 20 years ago?
>>219135877But you do have to let them all in.
>>219135896Haha well memed my epic friend, mind if I save this one to my hard drive?
>>219135801>>219135824I don't worship authors. If I want to talk about the canon material, I talk about the canon material. The books themselves.
>>219136015Why are incels so obsessed with "the death of the author"
>>219136015>Tolkien's views on LotR are irrelevantThis is what chuds actually have to claim now to defend their lies about Tolkien's works.
>>219135824show me an example in any of Tolkiens books were Orcs aren’t describe as the spawn of elf satan?
>>219136181>He thinks Morgoth is an elfJust give up and admit that you know nothing whatsoever about Tolkien's work, lorelet. This is embarassing.
>>219136337are you gonna show me text of the humble orc family or what?
>>219135427Italy wasn't multi ethnic the way you mean in the Middle Ages, Maubeuge Sicily only but no other partAnd while Byzantium ruled over ethnically middle eastern parts , the core areas in Anatolia were majority greek
Tolkien was a funny fellow. Writing about how he believes even Orcs can be redeemed whilst celebrating unarmed communists being executed in the Spanish Civil War.
>>219135484No Elves and Hobbits are all whiteHobbits can' t even be described as white pygmies because of their feet and that they have a longer than average lifespan compared to ordinary men whereas real world pygmies/bwa age quicker than other men
>>219136467Hello r/marxismNow leave at once
>>219136181That is easy, chuddie, but it will involve the meaning of words and quotes from Tolkien's works - two things that confuse and anger your kind."Spawn" means "offspring" or to "generate or bring into existence".As Frodo states, 'the Shadow' (e.g. evil beings like Morgoth) "cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them."So the Orcs are not really the "Spawn" of Morgoth, they are pre-existing beings he degraded and corrupted.Furthermore, Elrond points out that “Nothing is evil in the beginning”. So the Orcs must have had a non-evil origin and are corrupted beings rather than inherently demonic creations.Now go on and tell me that the LotR books aren't canon because they conflict with your chud dogma.
>>219136517>Elves and Hobbits are all white
>>219136617so they’re evil now? Got it
>>219136617You have a finer grasp of Tolkien's metaphysics than many leftists who claim to love him do, I'll grant you thatIt doesn't change the fact that the kind of fanfic the showrunners are engagent into in the name of "tolerance", "inclusion" and "diversity" is ultimately a subversion of Tolkien's work, when it vomes to the depiction of orcs as well as the rest
>>219136776brown like an ethnic french, british or scandinavian person will turn under the sun, not Brown like an arab or an indian, you vaguely human-shaped mound of cancerous cells
>>219129294>first world problemscorrectnow go ruin your own lands
>>219118534HMMMMMMM
>>219136922ok algerian
Niggerslop for americucks Tolkien would be rolling in his grave
>>219137125Tolkien famously wasn't racist
>>219137172He would be if he saw this gay shit
>>219135535Swarthy doesn't mean what you think it means.
it should be easy to write a decent story set in the lotr universeTolkien did all the groundwork already, all you have to do is add to itand even that they fucked upThe MMO lord of the rings online has better storylines in it
>>219137172reading between the lines isnt your strong suit. this is why you will never progress past being a NPC into a SSJ3 Schizo.
>>219136617>As Frodo states, 'the Shadow' (e.g. evil beings like Morgoth) "cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.">So the Orcs are not really the "Spawn" of Morgoth, they are pre-existing beings he degraded and corrupted.That's only one of the many origins of the Orcs.>...for all that race were bred by Melko of the subterranean heats and slime. Their hearts were of granite and their bodies deformed.Here Tolkien writes how Melko created Orcs from stone.
>>219137172but he was also conservative and opposed to globalization under all its aspects including the sides leftists think are emancipating
>>219118397Not all orcs.
>>219137545>Here Tolkien writes how Melko created Orcs from stone.That is from an unplubished draft, you earlier stated that only the actual books count: >>219136015I gave you a quote from the LotR books, which Tolkien authorized for publication. If you claim that what he is says in letters is inadmissible, then so are other unpublished notes and drafts.If you suddenly claim that those count, then not only do the letters count too, but they take canonical precedence because Tolkien chose to share them with someone.I know, now you will go "nta" because you got btfo again.
>>219118534I mean the last pic makes sense, they're named half-lings after all
>>219134839>The Elves are the pure goody-goodieslol, lmao even
>>219136857Then he would've written "of tanned skin".
>This was the text Christopher used for his edition of The Silmarillion (chapter 3), although while revising the Annals, his father wrote a note in the margin: "Alter this. Orcs are not Elvish".Tolkien explicitly wrote: Orcs are not Elvish. There are many different origins of the Orcs and Tolkien directly contradicts your fanon.>>219137732>That is from an unplubished draft, you earlier stated that only the actual books count>I know, now you will go "nta" because you got btfo again.I don't know who are you fighting in your head, mentally ill troonie.
>>219118592No. Any other dumb shit you'd like to say?
>>219118592Dude as a movie only (actually I read the books once as a kid but I had ADD) I always thought Orcs were just made in a lab by wicked magic. Never thought they were capable of having love, or being relatable just animated sludge monsters for heroes to kill. Like Tolkien did.What happened was FAGGOTS who play Dungeons fucking the Dragons decided Orcs were like intelligent entities and should be respected. Then since LOTR and D&D are mostly interchangeable, now they made Orcs sentient. its like Black Snape its fucking lore breaking that Orcs are sentient and why it shouldn't be done.
My reading was that orcs were irredeamably evil in so far as their evil is part of melkor's evil, they are corupted by him. Of course it depends on what canon you take, and the orc question is one tolkien did not finish. However the "common" answer, since they're not golems anymore, seems to be that orc are now little parts of melkor, and can probably be redeemed only when morgoth is.All orcs behave exactly like morgoth did, like the fable devil, brutal, cutthroatish, cowardly and devoid of self control, those traits persist even under sauron, who lacks them.So killing them on sight is good, since they are evil and will be for a long time, at least the breaking of the world, but torturing them is wrong since the "melkor ensemble", orcs, morgoths and other spawns could one day be saved and are not born evil
>>219122753Amazon makes enough in 1 day from servicing DOD(W) AWS contracts to pay for the entire season
>>219118592Yeah, he tweeted about it
>>219128465very well paid useless apes
>>219118592I think he was conflicted about them, and was determining whether or not they had souls or not. If they had souls, then they were technically redeemable, and as such their wanton slaughter could be seen in a negative light. However, if they were 'corrupted beasts' then they would not have souls, rendering the issue moot.I think it's possible that a loophole could exist in that the original Orcs were corrupted elves (by some interpretations), and Elves could be argued not to have souls as they cannot leave existence like humans can, so killing them wouldn't be seen as as 'bad'.But then again, if orcs are elves, then they'd all end up in the Halls of Mandos anyway in their elven forms, so they might be pissed, or relieved?, at having been killed in their thousands by other elves.It's interesting to think about, and probably why Tolkein left it ambiguous.
>>219138504>and can probably be redeemed only when morgoth is.In that case, they'll only be redeemed fully when Middle Earth (and Melkor) is destroyed and reborn during the Dagor Dagorath which is interesting to think about. Or they may cease to be, as Melkor cannot be redeemed as far as I'm aware.
>>219138504Also regarding tolkien's politics, while he was staunchly against the nazis, he had a mostly silent support for franco against the communists/republican forces
>>219138683While it's not stated I do think melkor as a whole could be redeemed, and at the breaking of the world what elf souls are used in the making of the orcs (melkor can't create life, same way Aulë couldn't)
>>219138873>I do think melkor as a whole could be redeemedI'd like to think so as well, but I imagine his redemption would be his ultimate defeat during Dagor Dagorath (which includes the destruction of the Earth, as Middle Earth is analogous to Sauron's 'one ring'), and his rebirth alongside the second Music of the Ainur and the creation of a new earth. Perhaps Melkor would be humbled and not create discordance this time, or perhaps if he is not redeemed his voice would be drowned out by the voices of men, elves, dwarves, and other beings also now joining in the music.
>>219118534>elves are immortal, graceful, and exceptionally beautiful beings
>>219121807Good story with ugly people is not possible since the characters and visuals are part of the storytelling and immersion. So no, it's not possible.
>>219118397This fucking shit is never going to end lmfao
>>219118534Diverse range of characters all the way from generic mutt to true abominations
>>219129294I live in the first world so yes this is my problem. Black invasion of my country is an existential threat. They turn my country into third world with third world problems.
>>219118397can leftoids eunuchs go a day without worshiping these things
>>219134037Nobody cares about you
>>219118397Orcs might be antisocial, naturally paranoid, low IQ and responsible for disproportionate Orc on Orc violence/murders but we should still look to integrate them into Middle-earth society. Orc music should be promoted, Elven women should be conditioned into appreciating Orc men, Elven men should be mocked so Orc men can find safer spaces to feel more equal and present an alternative mating partner to Elven women.
>>219125125How do you fund something for five years like that and call it a good investment? I swear people need to be slapped and have this spelt out to them.
>>219134839Eru Illuvitar's song incorporates the discord.
>>219136083>chuds lies about Tolkienholy pure projection
>>219137238Your wasting your time. The troon DEI sheep will invent their own meaning for any words that suit them.
>>219135824I've been a Tolkien buff since I entered middle school
>>219138297It was common in his tome time to use "brown" as a synonym of "tanned"
>>219135896See the image posted by>>219134566
>>219140436It doesn't mean that evil has to be embraced or tolerated
>>219118592Giving them souls is about in what way they’re evil not IF they’re evil. A corrupt human rapist and murderer has the capacity for choice and doing better, a murderer can repent and do good. A falling rock killing a child has no capacity one way or another and can’t be evil or good. A beast without a soul cannot be redeemed. It can be an evil maneating beast, but it doesn’t have much choice in the matter. I’m not sure why Hollywood has this fixation with redeeming (like a jeet). Star Trek made a mass murdering mirror universe character who literally ate a crewmember. They wanted her to star in a whole show based around how badass she was. Is having orc-Hitler: the good one very important? To show they’re not all bad, because real world human racist analogue (eg. We think orcs are blacks, even after we painted them all white, so we need to show they’re Not All Like That to be progressive)?It’s so convoluted and inherently racist it wouldn’t surprise me.
>>219132031Why doesn’t every show feature people with severe disabilities? There’s thousands of shows about real life in which there are plenty crippled and retarded people nobody wants to look at. But they put them in the fantasy world. Think about that and really chew on why.
Nothing against the show for I have never watched it, but who thought an Orc mother and child was a good idea? Aren’t they literal monsters born from goop?
We're reaching levels of nigger cattle that shouldn't be possible
>>219118534I am so glad white people as a whole are waking up to this jewish nonsense.
>>219128587This is a HIGHLY anti-semitic post
>>219130550I gave it an honest try and could not make it through a single episode. I really do think a lot of the figures these companies project are complete fucking lies.
>>219128465Why are they all niggers? Isn't that discrimination against chinks, jeets and spics?
>>219130575I wonder if they said there were any good guy trollocs in the show lol, I never even made it a single episode before noping out so I’ll never know I guess
>>219118397During season 1 chuds bitched about Galadriel being a psycho who only wanted to kill orcs.
>>219118592tolkien was never satisfied with the orcs because he invented monsters that don't fit into a catholic worldview. only god can create life from nothing, so either melkor has godly power or the orcs are redeemable creations of god. he died before he settled on an explanation.>>219135801>by accepting or tolerating their making... Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately goodby that logic sin is goodtolkien never decided whether the orcs were redeemable, because he never settled on what they even were. corrupted elves? corrupted men? lifeless vessels animated by melkor? he never settled on an explanationHOWEVER, we know he imagined middle earth as irl Earth, so our modern knowledge of genetics retroactively applies to orcs.the best explanation is Melkor bred/genetically engineered some early elves/humans to be extremely predisposed to evil behavior.in theory they're redeemable, but their biology makes it impossible, like how a pug could theoretically be a shepherd dog but we all know that's not happening.
>>219132695If Tolkien was alive right now, he would start singing the praises of hilter within 1 hour of forced interactions with you irl. Stop speaking for him you disgusting freak.
>leftists complained that orcs were stand ins by tolkien to be black people>leftists now treating orcs as stand ins for black people
>>219135484>elves are fine because they live forever so you can justify it as Eru just experimenting with a bunch of different looks, skin colors, etcno. there are only white elves. tolkien provides ample ethnology and nowhere are there nonwhite elves.>>219135535no. there is a hobbit ethnicity that is swarthier, but not swarthythe same way Mr. Bean is "browner" than some other brits
>>219118534I forgot why I couldn't make it past the second episode of this show but now I remember.
>>219118534Even completely programmed liberals have to see pics like this and at least think "They're a little too perfectly mixed ethnically, as if that was the priority in casting and framing." Some of them don't I guess. I like the downie in bottom pic, and how the elves are not even close to being "beautiful," the writers and casters just threw out that requirement I suppose?Christ what a disaster.
>>219131839>had an Empiredoesn't mean it was multiracial.>constant contact with Haradrim and Easterlings through warfare doesn't mean there was immigration.>even captured and held some cities and provinces of Umbar and the Haradrim for a whileirl places like the crusader states were very racially segregated between a small ruling class of invaders and the general populace+ conquest =/= two-way immigration
>>219130550it's a drama for women so yes
>>219132543>No, people drank "water" long before H2O was discovered or even theorized. Show me where pre-atomic societies drank H20are you retarded?
>>219132333>>219135152>They were reckoned men of Gondor, yet their blood was mingled, and there were short and swarthy folk among them>shorter and somewhat swarthier than any men that Pippin had yet seen in Gondor.so they're southern europeans?south euros are a little mixed and somewhat shorter and swarthier than northern europeans, but they're genetically european and generally white though some look otherwise.
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>>219142542They cast a genuine retard?
i get that Amazon mandates checking the representation boxes for modern audiences, but if you're going to force black guys into Middle-earth, why pick the least appealing ones imaginable?it's one thing to shoehorn in the demographics to secure the funding, but it's another entirely to cast dudes you absolutely wouldn't want to be fucked byis Amazon purposely picking uncharismatic actors as some kind of weird psyop to make the diversity look worse?
>>219138297If he meant black he would've wrote negroid
>>219143034post the full video next time kekhttps://youtu.be/FJOIPiEkcx4?si=zGNDJQqk0dU-TAuU
>>219132695Tolkien disliked Hitler and Nazis but he despised equalitarianism, globlaization and progressivism even more
>>219132695See >>219132759
>>219132359swarthy in Tolkien's work doesn't mean non-white but something like italians or spaniardsstop seeking self-insertion, miserable tumblroid
>>219118397Why does that orc look so light on his feet?
>>219131839And yet Gondor is all white in the books since it lost the southern provinces
>>219142224Tolkien knew that there were people who were unredeemable and evil but couldn't comprehend why God put them into the world.Of course, it's the same reason Tolkien put orcs in his world. They are evil and need to be overcome by good in order for the good to mean anything at all. That's it. Tolkien didn't want to be racist but he understood on an instinctual level, channeled through his religion, that there are entire races that are dedicated to evil.Which is why orcs are unswervingly evil in his books but whenever he tried to consciously equate it to blacks in real life, he couldn't connect the dots. Conditioned his whole life to treat everyone the same, but his heart knew it wasn't true.
>>219118534>retarded hobbitslmao
>>219131327At least that brand of cave hobbits they care of their own, the nomad ones tried to abandon the main hobbit girl's family because their cart broke down
>>219143786If you had told me that was Pippin's brother and they were both retards, I'd believe it
>>219118592Why should that matter?
>>219135896yaaaas queengaladriel can fix sauron
>>219135801You type like a fag and your shits all fucked up
>>219118397More ratfu cringekino yaaayyyy
>>219118397In a vacuum this isn't a problem. Orcs have speech and intelligence. Why couldn't a captured orc play a major role in the story? Of course amazon will write a bad story, but at some point you've got to get over the fact that bad art is being made somewhere.
>>219131938Same dude
>>219118397Modern writing. I'm not expecting much different from Colbert either.
>>219118397>watching ring of powers past season 1 episode 1get your shit together
>>219131327Man an all tard rendition of LoTR would be fucking great, I wonder if someone could get the people who did Down Quixote to do it?
>>219142303So it’s only them that see them as blacks. Allegoryfags need to be beaten with clubs.
>>219138297he was a well educated man, if he meant racially non-white he'd had used the terms of his time, he said orcs had mongoloid (fast eastern asian) features
>>219146454Not to mention referring to Europeans as ruddy or swarthy was shit Ben Franklin did back in the 18th century. So there is a precedent for that sort of shit.
>>219146627>amerimutts been calling italians non-white for 200 yearsthat tracks
>>219118397Looks like CHEESE is back on the menu, boys!
haven't watched rings of power yet. Are the fight scenes good at least?
>>219118534>9 figure budget per episode>cast, costume design, acting and direction all looks like a high school drama productionHow?
people don't actually care about Tolkien lore, they hate Rings of Power because their brains are so fried by irony they can't handle a show being earnest. the second a character shows genuine emotion without a sarcastic quip to soften it, everyone screams "cringe" because sincerity physically terrifies them.
>>219129787/thread
Feminists and leftist cucks would've assassinated Tolkien for his views. >"Anyway women are in general much less romantic and more practical. Don't be misled by the fact that they are more 'sentimental' in words--freer with 'darling', and all that. They do not want a guiding star. They may idealize a plain young man into a hero; but they don't really need any such glamour either to fall in love or to remain in it. If they have any delusion it is that they can 'reform' men. . . They are, of course, much more realistic about the sexual relation. Unless perverted by bad contemporary fashions they do not as a rule talk 'bawdy'; not because they are purer than men (they are not) but because they don't find it funny. . . But they are instinctively, when uncorrupt, monogamous. men are not . . . . No good pretending. Men just ain't, not by their animal nature. Monogamy (although is had has long been fundamental to our inherited ideas) is for us men a piece of 'revealed' ethic, according to faith and not to the flesh. Each of us could healthily beget, in our 30 odd years of full manhood, a few hundred children, and enjoy the process. Brigham Young (I believe) was a healthy and happy man."
>>219149508Diana, no! That's not your Chris, yours is a different Chris! You can't kiss the wrong Chris!
>>219151359Another case of incel illiteracy. There is nothing in this that feminists or leftists would disagree with. This is like when incels quote the part where Tolkien denies that Galadriel is Lady Mary as evidence that Galadriel is Mary.
>>219138565kek
>>219151465Name one thing in the books that is fundamentally Catholic.
>>219151490You lot assassinated Charlie Kirk for the same views, retarded troon.
>>219151097You tried way too hard here with this one anon.
>>219151536Schizoid troon.
>>219151359None of that is controversial. And the "feminist" caricatures you're imagining would cheer on the idea that women are monogamous but men are not.
>>219151701What views? That women are more practical than men and that men are more perverted?No, we just wanted to help these two star-crossed lovers finally get together.
Tolkien's grandson is dead and now the estate is whoring out Tolkien.But don't blame Amazon. LOTR fans watch this.MUST CONSUME CONTENT I read the books, watched the Jackson movies and that's were my engagement with this franchise ends.
>>219148181Literally nothing about it is good. Which is quite impressive for a show that cost like 500 million dollars.
>>219152045>Tolkien's grandson is deadno, chud.
I have no interest in this and I love the old movies.
>>219151737yeah good luck with that brah
>>219151788Retarded troon cheering Tolkien for views he would denounce as sexist and misogynist. You lot will kill anyone for expressing the same views in real life, like you killed Charlie. >Unless perverted by bad contemporary fashions they do not as a rule talk 'bawdy'; not because they are purer than men (they are not) but because they don't find it funny. . .>t. Tolkien> Feminism has ruined young women.>t. Charlie Kirk.
>>219136776yeah like southern europeans, not nignogs you retard
>>219152570Ok, groomer.
>>219118397>arondir elves, never relax
