What was his fucking problem?
>>219137343this was william h macy at this peak. he was fucking born to play a sleazy used car salesman. insanely perfect casting.
god i love that character so much
yeah but the truecoat!
>>219137343He just really wanted you to have that truecoat
>>219137429A FUCKING LIAR
>>219137343do you know what a disparity is?
>>219137343>le wholesome characters and background scenery meet sudden and gruesome acts of violencemidwit slop core
>>219137343Great movie. Great Acting and story. Pure Americana. This is the ugly dark side of living in America.
>>219140366You’re right about it being great, at least
>>219140366i don't think your average american is contacting hitmen to kill loved ones let alone even know where to find someone that would do that
Society.
>>219140804>contacting hitmen to kill loved onesHey now, this is a no-rough-stuff type a deal.
>>219137374based
https://youtu.be/lydN1lbwJTA?si=Yj0wllHaTKYa_QKk>cops pulling their guns away when they see how pathetic the suspect isGets me everytime
>>219137343No problem OP, he was cooperating.
>I ALWAYS LIKED YOU>I'M SO RONERYhow do you respond without making him mad?
>>219137343His wife is a felon.
I still don’t get the scam he was pulling with GMAC. He submitted phony sales using illegible / bogus VINs and they’d just send his dealership the cash? How would it even work? Wouldn’t the financial officer over at GM have to verify the VIN for payment to be issued? Like, I know they were blowing his phone up later in the movie but how did it work even once?
>>219146295Let's explore the description Claude gave:Jerry Lundegaard's scheme in Fargo (1996) is a desperate, convoluted fraud with several moving parts:The Core PlanJerry, a car dealership manager in Minneapolis, is in serious financial trouble. He arranges for two criminals (Carl and Gaear) to kidnap his own wife, Jean, so that her wealthy father, Wade Earley, will pay a ransom. Jerry intends to pocket the ransom money himself.The Ransom InflationJerry tells the kidnappers the ransom will be $80,000, which they'll split with him. But he actually plans to extort $1 million from Wade, keeping the $920,000 difference for himself. He's essentially running a scheme against both his father-in-law and the kidnappers simultaneously.The GMAC Fraud (Running in Parallel)Separately, Jerry has already been running a fraud at the dealership — he's been submitting loan applications to GMAC (an auto financing company) for cars that don't exist, pocketing the loan money. This is why he's in financial trouble to begin with; the fraud is about to be discovered, and he desperately needs cash to cover it.Why It All Falls ApartThe plan unravels almost immediately because:Wade wants to deliver the ransom himself, cutting Jerry outThe kidnappers are dangerously incompetent and violent, killing several peopleJerry is a fundamentally weak, bumbling person who can't control any of the chaos he's set in motionThe dark irony of the film is that Jerry's father-in-law was actually willing to give Jerry a legitimate business loan — the whole catastrophe was essentially unnecessary.
>>219139540the fuck? the shriner kid grew up?
>>219146295>>219146486It was based on this guy:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McNamara_(fraudster)Obviously Jerry wasn’t nearly as successful McNamara but I guess you didn’t have to be a rocket scientist to defraud GMAC back then.
>>219137379>god i love that character so muchHe's so terrible at pulling off his plan as well. His mistake was bringing in these two shifty idiot criminals when he could have done a better job pulling it off himself.
>>219146885got shep'd
>>219146486>The dark irony of the film is that Jerry's father-in-law was actually willing to give Jerry a legitimate business loan — the whole catastrophe was essentially unnecessary.it doesn't look like it. The father in law hates him, thinks he's pathetic and would probably use it as a good time for his daughter to divorce him and let him fester in his own failures. He can use the money to find a better husband for his daughter.
>>219146831The guy defrauds $6 billion dollars and serves no jail time for providing evidence that he bribed officials who were also acquitted in the bribery? What the fuck?
>>219146885>We’re not a bank, Jerry.Wade was going to take Jerry’s idea to fund the car park and throw him a pittance (like five or ten grand) as a finder’s fee.
>>219146486>The dark irony of the film is that Jerry's father-in-law was actually willing to give Jerry a legitimate business loan That's not true. His father in law flat out told him that he wasn't gonna give him anything other than a finder's fee and that they'll move in on the deal without his input
>>219147095Yah well, it’s just a bit of money, dontcha know.
>>219147161claude mucked it up
>>219146885Kidnap his own wife? You actually think that would work
>asking your father-in-law for a loan to cover your failed scamming at his dealershipjesus jerry
>>219147036>>219147161Retard here, wasn’t Jerry’s deal a scam? That’s why he had to be involved, cause he fronted collateral with fake cars and he was hoping his father in law would bridge it?
>>219137343His nose is pissing me off. It's really bad. Look at that bridge. Great actor, but it was all I could focus on watching this movie. I didn't have that in his other movies. Maybe the beard helped.
>>219147215The car lot proposal was legit (a pretty sweet deal) but yes, Jerry was in all likelihood going to take Wade’s loan and either dig himself out of trouble with his GMAC scam or just run off with it into the wild blue yonder.
did norm do well landing margie?
>>219147392>or just run off with it into the wild blue yonder.That would take guts, and he's a coward. He wants to please everyone and make everyone happy and to not offend anyone. This is him avoiding confrontation in the most extreme way.
>>219147095Murrica!
love fargo but for any of you who haven't seen Blood Simple the guy on the right is probably my favorite Coen character
he was in over his head about to be caught over skimming money from the dealership with the car scam - my assumption was he's a degenerate gambler who blew all his scammed money - so came up with a scheme to get enough money to cover his losses, come out with a bunch more and fuck over his hated father in law
>>219137374yeah
>>219147457They were high school sweethearts most likely. Norm aged like shit. Painting mallards probably became his career after some kind of nervous breakdown or workplace injury.
>>219137343I'm from the 90s and I remember this movie being a huge deal, some kind of breakthrough like Pulp Fiction, yet I never saw it.I remember my mother saying it was gruesome and that it had a woodchipper scene.So I was watching it yesterday, and it was quite tame, then when they arrive to the cabin with the kidnapped wife, she starts jumping around with a blindfold.And I thought for sure she will jump headfirst into the woodchipper, and this will ruin the deal. I thought, "Yeah, killing the wife this way is gruesome and of course the movie is famous for it".Nope, the woodchipper scene is at the end of the movie and honestly pointless.I was a bit disappointed; the movie isn't bad, but it's no classic. Most of the humor comes from repeating "jeez" and "oh yeah".I guess I was hoping for more.Btw the movie it's not even set in Fargo but a town called Brainreid or something and Minneapolis. Very fucking stupid.
>>219147861>im 30+ years oldWe don’t care unc
>>219147646>Murrica!
>>219137343His numbers were right.
>>219147095reminds me of watching unsolved mysteries and how often theres this horrid crime thats finally solved after all these years and the culprit is already out after serving his 6 years good behavior or whatever
>>219147880>uncSo funny, kee... keep me posted for the next black lingo update
>>219147861Peak neurosis
>>219147992Care to explain?
why was he so upset about the finder's fee? is it because he'd have to pay that back too which would have been an additional 75k?
>>219148079You’re a thirty year old who’s somehow disappointed in the audience, the movie, and even partially your mom, because she said she liked the movie once over a decade ago and you took that to mean it must be transcendentally fucked up while being callous enough to get nothing out of a main character being fed into a wood-chipper by a psychopath
>>219147861You're an old faggot with shit taste. Stop posting.
>>219148203he thought he'd get a lot more out of the deal that he could use to pay off his gmac scam. he even debated calling off the kidnapping at the thoughtthen he finds he's getting a pittance finders fee for what he believed was some big profitable project, cucked yet again by the father in law he hates
>>219148494but i'm confused at the way he scoffs when wade asks him about what jerry wants for a finder's fee. it's like he never wanted to ask for one to begin with and is mad it's being brought up. he should be happy he's getting more money
>>219148494you realize jerry is scamming at wade's dealership right?>gives him job>cucked again
We’re not a bank, Jerry.
>>219147768>he was in over his headTo be fair he's a pretty small guy
>>219148752he brought back a deal he thinks is worth a fuckton of money (or at a minimum can somehow make him a fuckton of money, you aren't going to be willing to forgo a million dollar ransom for some small project) and is being thrown what amounts to chump change in exchange for his father in law icing him out of it.>>219148868that's the gmac scam I mentioned anonit was why he was so desperate for money he needed like 300k just to cover up his little scam and while we're not told why he clearly had issues causing him money problems that led to the scam in the first place
>>219137374I thought so until he played Frank Gallagher.He was really born to play Ned Sanders though, but that ship has sailed I guess.
>>219149112>Ned Sanders wtf I meant Ned Flanders
>>219147457>His actor was only 33 years old during filming
>>219147812isn't it implied he used to be a cop too? the precinct seemed to know him
>>219148203he wanted to be partners not just get a finders fee
>>219149170if you imagine him with a full head of hair its less silly to imagine, same deal with George Costanza
>>219149066he's just the biggest fuck up off all time. whatever the hell he did, he had a cush job at wealthy father in laws dealership. let the old man make the money then die
>>219137445I love the line delivery here. Like he hasn’t cursed in 15 years
>>219143588>OH, YEAH, YOU BETCHA
>>219147178That trucoat was very popular
>>219149472his wifes a qt
>>219147457Norm "son of" Gunderson? You betcha.
>>219137343
For Pete's sake, he's fleeing the interview.
Would YOU have sexual intercourse for the purpose of procreation with Margie?
>oh, daddy
>>219150054Give me the bar sluts at the beginning
>>219150223are you a little fellah?
>>219150387I'm kinda funny lookin
>>219137429He was totally dishonest and blatantly lied to this guy but you’d have to be insane not to spring for undercarriage coating in Minnesota.
>>219150223go bears
>>219150590go bears
>is there a phone down here, ya think?she cute
>>219146486I never fully understood Jerry’s plan with the loan fraud. Obviously he submits false applications for clients and cars that don’t exist but did plan to keep paying for these loans?
>>219151158He's either an idiot and didn't think that through or he was desperate for cash and would figure out how to stall/cover the loans later
>>219151158there's a reason he's come up with some convoluted scheme to scam a million dollars out of his FIL anonhe's desperate and trying to use a new scam to patch up the fuckups in his original scam
>>219147964My favorite. Always love watching old Unsolved Mysteries at night to learn any number of convicted murderers and fraudsters have been released.
>>219147861Every time I read a rambling nonsense reply like this on TV regarding some moron and his special review of a movie I have to laugh. My standard reply is maybe something with Adam Sandler would be a little more your speed.
>>219151270>>219151389Is this kind of like the Big Lebowski? Where the exact details of the plot are never completely known or understood because it’s so large and convoluted? And because the characters are so inept?
Shep beating the shit out of Bushcemi and calling him a "a little weasel" always gets me. Fargo is great
>>219151660A little maybe.Big Lebowski was a very odd movie and painful to follow. The constant "Shut the fuck up, Donnie' by one of the main characters was too much for me. The "humor" of the movie wasn't my cup of tea. "Fargo" is a little better to follow but there are some truly fucked up characters. It starts off as an easily doable crime and goes all kinds of sideways by the end of the movie.
>>219151660it's more that the coen brothers deliberately leave it extremely vague exactly why he's engaging in all these schemes beyond the fact he needs the money for some reason. it's open to viewer interpretation exactly what his motives are. the wider plot isn't really that hard to follow
>>219151697shep kicking the whore in the ass was goatFUCK YOU
>>219151697literally beats him with a belt like his father
>main character is just funny lookin
>>219147812he did get a stamp though>>219149202his wife is chief of police theres like 15 people in town
>>219152516>he did get a stamp thoughI love the Norm and Margie scenes especially, they balance out all the grimness of the movie
>>219151827>The constant "Shut the fuck up, Donnie' by one of the main characters was too much for meThe fuck are you talking about?
>>219148203He thought they were going to give him $700k to buy the lot instead of $70k. As Wade says Jerry somehow expects his father in law is going to give him all that money so Jerry can collect on it when it pays off. Makes zero sense for them which is why they assumed Jerry was bringing them a business opportunity for them, not for him.
>>219149066I assumed his fraudulently procured loan from GMAC was in an attempt to buy the lot, or at least put a down payment on it. Wade giving him $700k means he can simply pay back the loan, avoid fraud charges and buy the lot he intends to use to make him financially secure.
>>219137343Is he the worst father in cinema?
>>219137374FPBPJerry BASEDgaard
>>219146831>serves no time>gets to keep $2 million>gets to keep extra properties by transferring them to his girlfriend>FBI handler notes that his personal life was unaffected by the convictionguess crime does pay after all
>>219157002Not even close.
>>219151697>What the fuck, shep? I was banging that chick
>>219156842Nah, he was gonna pay him back, with interest
>>219151270>He's either an idiotI think that's made pretty clear in the movie
>>219157924We're not a bank, Jerry.
>>219147457i never got this from this movie, was he the zodiac killer or not?
>>219159924Yeah, he killed Margie
>>219148203he wanted the full amount to get out from under the car scam that was collapsing around him, if he paid the money back at all it would've been from escalating the car scam. they smelled bullshit.
>>219137445Bucky, please!
>>219145700For a bullshit reason. She revealed how much elite colleges where a scam that could be payed for. Extracurricular activities mean nothing and are a hoop for rubes to jump through so they can justify exploiting the hoi polloi.
>>219147457Hell yeah! She is bright and gots a very well paying job. As long as she doesnt get got then everything is peaches with the pension and Healthcare paid for. They also seem happy and content with their day to day lives.
>>219147689That is the guy in joyride that was a douche to black sheep?
>>219146486Why would I corrupt my brain (more than I already am by browsing this godforsaken site) by reading your AI slop? Jerry was taking out loans using imaginary cars as collateral. I’m all for AI, but are you really too stupid to figure that out for yourself?
>>219155631John Goodman constantly disrespecting buschemi's character. It is meant to.be humorous but people that have witnessed or experienced it find it off-putting.
>>219161341>John Goodman constantly disrespecting buschemi's character. It is meant to.be humorous but people that have witnessed or experienced it find it off-putting.Not my fault you were bullied and cant just see this as comedic
>>219137343what was his fucking problem?
Fucking little weasel! Fuck you! You fucking motherfucker son of a bitch! Fucking cock! Jesus Christ! You fucking shitbag motherfucker!
>>219137343>Hates his father in law>Every scam is designed to screw over his father in law in some way Pretty simple actually
>>219139886Reddit doesn't do the le thing anymore idk why anons on here still do it.
>>219164481wouldn't know, don't use reddit
>>219147215>>219147392Jerry's plan was to get $750,000 from Wade and Stan You Know Grossman to open his own competing Car Dealership. That's why he wanted to purchase a plot of land, for his own dealership. He's actually such a retard he thinks his car dealership owning father in law is going to give him money for a competing business.
>>219148494>Jerry himself says at the beginning of the movie that if he asks his father in law for money, Wade is going to say no.>Later on he is shocked when Wade...refuses to give him money
>>219150715One on the right is okay but the one on the left better be willing to let me sit on her face or else it's a no go
>>219151697Okay this is a plot point I don't get, because how does Shep know exactly where to find Carl? He says himself he does not know who Carl is. Was he lying to Jerry? Why?
>>219139886It's a lot.
>>219161341You're just out of your element.
