Just watched Hellraiser and i honestly dont really get what the point of these mutant guys are. Is it just to be shocking? Maybe i need to read the books i don't really understand what they are or their motivation other than just being sadistic.
>>219165194They're also pathetic jobbers and get btfo by a fat jewish doctor
>>219165194>i don't really understand what they are or their motivation other than just being sadistic.this is exactly what makes them so spoopy tho
The books are gay porn. Like literally. Don't make the mistake of reading them.
>>219165619Really? I do notice from reading that Clive barker seems to be like a BDSM Stephen King. He has some interesting sounding books though
>>219165750Do not listen to this man >>219165619The first book is pretty much the first movie except Kristy is a 20ish year old neighbor instead of a 17 year old daughter, so the movie plays up the family dynamics. It is written exceptionally well because Cliver Barker is our greatest living horror novelist.>>219165194What is there to get OP? They're demons. They're people who were trapped in the cube thanks to their own hubris and are gradually turned into demons. If you call upon them, they want you. They are upset Frank escaped.Maybe you should watch the second movie, it sounds like you need all of this spoonfed to you
>>219165819>spoonfedNot to be rude but why are you so against having a discussion about things? Whats even the point of this board? If you make a post about a new movie you're called a shill if you make a post about an old movie unless its a ironic meme post people say "Google it" or "watch it" its like that everywhere its like nobody really knows anything and just hops on Wikipedia for 5 mins and regurgitate whatever cliff notes they read. Im just trying to have a discussion
>>219165898If you want to have a discussion, asking something obvious is not the way to go. You don't just ask, "What's the point of this obvious thing?" That's like trying to start a conversation with someone who is not doing anything by asking, "Watcha doing?" They're gonna give you a quick answer to what you asked and then the conversation is over. You gotta give if you wanna receive.
>>219165194>i don't really understand what they are or their motivation other than just being sadistic.>>219165591>this is exactly what makes them so spoopy thoThey explained what they are and their motivation to you in the hospital scene.https://youtu.be/2L47JwR9vDs?si=vfUgTc1R_o6baVQnThe box isn't really meant to be opened by everyday people but by absolute perverts who are so bored of extreme BDSM play that they seek for something even more extreme. In 99,99% cases the box and cenobites are simply too extreme even for the most depraved diaperfurry out there and regret entering the torture dimension. The remaining 0.01% who actually start liking it get turned into Cenobites.
>>219165194Clive Barker is a degenerate fag, the book and movies are all about BDSM crap.
>>219165194You know how when addicts start out, they’re maybe smoking some weed and/or drinking, but it eventually loses its potency, so they maybe ramp it up to something stronger, and that cycle of degeneracy repeats itself until they’re eventually a slumped over fentanyl zombie. Or someone starting off watching Skinemax softcore and eventually burning out their dopamine receptors to the point where they’re watching chicks getting fucked by dogs.The Cenobites are basically that state personified, offering equal parts pleasure and pain to those who have hit bedrock when it comes to the depths of degeneracy a mortal life is capable of, like Frank. After spending a lifetime numbing yourself to the experiences of earthly life, it at least allows you to still feel something.That said, it doesn’t exist solely for a single individual that it is destined for, like the Behelit in Berserk. It can be activated by anyone who chooses to interact with it enough to solve it, so it does have some unintended splash damage.
>>219165194>explorers from the outer reaches of experience>pain, pleasure...indivisible>angels to some, demons to othersPretty much all you need to know.
>>219166026So they made the box knowing that retards were gonna open it up most of the time and not people who were actually into it? Are they stupid? Is Pinhead actually a fucking idiot?
>>219165819>Cliver Barker is our greatest living horror novelistHe also has made kino vidya.
>>219166026I'm not interested in you all arguing but that scene is genuinely intriguing. Is the rest of the movie this good?
>>219166262>Clive Barker made itSure. I bet you think Caesar Salad also has the personal involvement of Julius or Augustus as well? Hey let's ask Paul Newman if he's happy making his dressings!
>>219166319>food analogy
>>219166319He wrote the story you absolute retard.
>>219166252>So they made the box knowing that retards were gonna open itThe box is sold by some asian weirdo only for people who are actively looking for it. Towards the end of a film a giant demon returns the box to the asian dude.In the book version Pinhead outright warns Frank several times that it might be too extreme for him and Frank takes that as an insult. So Frank had multiple chances to back out even after opening the box but the dude was too stubborn. Once you agree to their tortures then theres no backing out.
>>219166262Jericho was pretty good too.
>>219166354Not him but there are IT video games you dumb fuck. Doesn't mean he was involved with any of the game development
>>219166432The story is what makes it kino retard. And he wrote the story.
>>219166319Duke retard. (Not quite a king, but definitely firmly entrenched in the aristocracy of retardation)
>>219166367>Once you agree to their tortures then theres no backing out.What if you poo yourself and ruin the mood?
>>219166483They love that.
>>219166461>My old friend is an occultist>His family hates him and want to kill people beause.. they just do, okay?wow great story
>>219166501Fuck off you disingenuous faggot.
>>219166317First movie is great, the "remake" is also great.https://youtu.be/_-WPCbp3slU?si=toSQTufWCyZeiVS2Sure the remake has ton of diversity hires but 99% of them get the Very Bad ending where they get tortured in pain dimension for all eternity. The remake even made the whole box ritual more cruel than in the original.2nd film is flawed but still entertaining and has one incredibly fucked up and violent scene involving a schizophrenic and a knife, so its worth a watch. If you're desperate for more 5th one is an ok film. Everything else is garbage. The franchise is one of those whose name and IP get thrown in shitty horror films that have nothing to do with Hellraiser to sell more dvd copies. So you get a shitty straight-to-dvd garbage where cenobites show up for maybe 5 minutes and rest of the plot barely has anything to do with them.
>>219166483>What if you poo yourself and ruin the mood?Then a blade attached to chains does you a free colonoscopy and pulls out the rest of your poop out of your stomach.
>>219166026Cenobites are literally what you become when you masturbate too much eventually organizing isnt enough and you end up gouging your eyes out and peeling your skin off
>>219166622>OrganizingAutists are gonna love this cube.
>>219166583Hey now I thought Hellworld was a pretty decent movie.
>>219166636I meant orgasming lol
They're basically the ideal postal service and really love their job.
>>219166687I know what you meant anon, I'm just busting your balls.
>>219166731>I know what you meant anon, I'm just busting your ballsCenobite initiation
>>219166666Checked
Do the Cenobites do anything sexual or is it just hooks and chains and skin flaying
>>219166666>Hey now I thought Hellworld was a pretty decent movieInfernal penta wasted on such a shitty taste. Hellworld is a great example of a horror dvd film that they quickly slapped Hellraiser in to make more money. You could remove all cenobites from the film and the plot would be the same.
>>219165819i started reading horror recently and i started with the first three books of blood and they were awsome, then i read weaworld and now i'm gonna start imajica. It is true that he has a lot of sex stuff even when writing fantasy but i never felt like it was played just for shock value
>>219166873Is weaveworld good? I was just reading a short plot about it. It sounds really interesting
>>219166863Oh I agree its a terrible Hellraiser movie. But on its own its a pretty decent movie.
>>219166583I quite liked Bloodlines.
>>219166847Yes, but rarely in the movies. In Hellraiser 2 you get a glimpse of hell where a couple is having sex while being attached to each other with chained hooks.The upcoming game goes full BDSM club route:https://youtu.be/7_kkRM23Kf8?si=tIqNOOdsAcETLxRq
>>219166893i liked it a lot, it is mainly fantasy with some horror moments here and there. It is not perfect of course, a couple of weird parts and a character that get forgotten by the plot, but it has great characters and atmosphere
>>219166923 >hell is just an 80s New York gay club
>>219165194>other than just being sadistic.Clive Barker is a gay BDSM boy lover obsessed with piss so that's what you'll see in pretty much every single one of his books.
>>219166847The higher concept is that at some level of extreme the line between pain and pleasure gets so blurred they become the same thing. It is all sexual.
>>219167037More like BDSM club has a secret extreme kink dungeon that has another secret super extreme dungeon that has yet another secret sex dungeon with absolutely depraved sex play. And in that dungeon theres an altar with a box in it that opens door to a dimension that is even worse. Not even most sadists will like it there, the fat Cenobite is the most sadistic of them all so his own personal torture is the hell sewing his eyes shut so he can't actually goon to the torture happening in front of him. So his torture is orgasm denial.
>>219167266I wonder what the zoomer cenobites are like probably trannies and furrys
He ain’t Christian and those motion pictures are Satanic.
>>219167324Zoomers are too boring to become cenobites.
>>219167324They will be just like Frank, trapped in the Leviathans labyrinth trying to escape. Only a tiny portion of box victims turn into Cenobites.
>>219167337>those motion pictures are Satanic.But they expressly warn of the dangers of unrestricted lust and idolatry of the flesh. Satanic movies would present that as a good thing.
>>219166016The motivation/characterization of the Cenobites is anything but obvious since they barely do or say anything in the first film. Get the fuck out of here with your>They're the bad guys lol you idiotKing of the Midwits take - you don't even understand the basic principles of narrative.
>>219167455>The motivation/characterization of the Cenobites is anything but obvious since they barely do or say anything in the first filmWe know their motivation and characterization because we aren't illiterate and read the book.
>>219167481How are all those dead people happy? They're dead.
>>219167536Most of them aren't. Very few truly enjoy the experience.
>>219165194They are people who were particularly bad IRL that solved the lament configuration and the leviathan converts them into eternal monsters that do its bidding, its not that complicated. Hellraiser 3 is where it goes a bit off the rails.
Fuck off with these comics. This is /tv/ not /co/.
>>219167598Niggers cant read, we know
>>219167536They're undead. Cenobites can pull you apart into pieces and then put you back together.
>>219166583the useless remake is pure dogshit (and as a wokefag idc about the diverse case), it's Ep.III-tier
>>219167631Your comic is shit.
>>219167530Why would you read bottom of the barrel-tier modern 'horror'? And then brag on the internet about wasting your time?
>>219167455>They're the bad guys lol you idiotWhere did I say that, you faggot?
>>219167651>and as a wokefagGotta be more subtle next time.
>>219167651Truly awful bait when someone literally posted a good scene from it before your dumb postIt's a bad movie outside of a couple scenes
>>219167536You can't die on Hell. Every part of you remains alive and experiencing.
>>219165750Clive Barker is literally a homosexual whose fetishistic depravity forms the basis of 100% of his outputlike it's not a secret, Barker is pretty upfront about his transgressive sadomasochistic desires fueling his writing, he's the John Waters of horror
>>219167841>Barker is pretty upfront about his transgressive sadomasochistic desires fueling his writingA good number of Books of Blood stories have nothing to do with sadomasochism. Candyman was basically a story of "What if urban legends were real and Bloody Mary was a modern urban Dracula feeding off slum people."
>>219167530>the movie doesn’t have to explain why anything happens or make any sense because there’s a book that does thatyeah, fuck off with this bullshit
>>219165819>>219165750Barker is exactly like King or GRRM in that he can barely disguise his fetish. With King its young teen girls, usually around their first period. With GRRM its incest. With Barker is gay BDSM.
>>219167891Welcome to 99% of book -> movie adaptations.It happens in Jurassic Park too.
>>219167891>media illiterate dimwit rages and shitpisses his diaperit's ok booboo, it's ok if even horror movies, the most unsubtle cinematic genre ever created, are out of your grasp... you can still watch animes and DCslop
>>219167841So what's Midnight Meat Train an allegory for? Train sex?
>>219167891What part isn't explained They explain in the movie that they're some kind of demon that tortures your for eternity and that they were "like you once" ie they were human before they fucked with the box What part wasnt explained that was necessary to comprehending the storyPinheads girth?If this is biblical hell or a facsimile?
>>219167965Aids
>>219165194>>219166583>>219167530The remake totally missed the point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhU_eVIyGM
>>219168002They aren't actually demons. They are just from a dimension where pain and pleasure are virtually the same thing.
>>219167965rape, mutilation, cannibalism, satan worshipjust your typical LGBTQ+ things
>>219167421Christcucks never see the Forest for the trees.
>>219168049>The remake totally missed the pointNot really. I call it "remake" because its not really a remake, the plot is a weird mix of 1 & 2. Vought is a mix of Frank and Dr. Channard from both films. Lore of Leviathan and Cenobites is the same, the biggest change is the box getting more lore and functions with layers of "rewards" instead of being just portal to another dimension.The main theme is the main character destroying her life and hurting her friends and family with her addiction. And she ends up doing the same again when she opens the box. The movie has a pretty cruel downer ending where lot of innocent people were dragged to hell because of her dumb mistakes.
>>219168160>Every projection a confessionrightoid classic. accuse those you hate for the things you do.
>>219168266i loved the downer ending. you felt it at the end, she just got her brother and his friends killed. good remake imo, far from perfect, but good.
Clive Barker's Imajeica is a FANTASTIC epic fantasy novel and has NO gay bondage in it. I highly recommend it, and I will say that Clive Barker is really, really good at describing magic things, and creating a magical atmosphere in a story. Much, much better than pseuds like Chia Mieville or that hack fraud Neil Gaiman.
>>219168771Literally the only reason to watch any of his movies IS the gay bondage
>>219168141They are perverted interdimensional boomers
>>219167903Is the secret to successful writing sexual degeneracy?
>>219168241The fundamentalist evangelical ones for sure.
>>219168367Except the righteous don't have a month of parades showing their love of such shit. I'm gonna go with them on this one. I'll be back when the left gets off the SSRIs making them all unstable.
>>219166425Jericho could've been really good if not for the horrible game design.
>>219168771even when he uses it at least there is a reason beyond shock value, in the hills the cities is an amzing story that uses well the parallelism between the two gay lovers and the two giants
>>219168771But the Gay Bondage is what we watch for
>>219170481Felt like it could have been improved upon in sequels but I always liked it.
