Daredevil Born Again Season 2 Episode 2 “Shoot the Moon” and Episode 3 “The Scales & The Sword” air tonight at 6pm pst, 9pm est.Episode 1 Thread >>218895587Episode 1 Recap>Matt heads to the Northern Star ship beats up the guards and the Captain sinks the ships but before escaping Matt uses a watch as a tracking device for the imported weapons>Karen and Matt are living together in an apartment above Josie’s>Fisk starts a manhunt for Matt and Karen>NY state officials want oversight in the Fisk Admin, but Mr. Charles gets Val to convince them otherwise>Heather interrogates Swordsman who is being held in a prison that is on the Red Hook free port>Heather has started hallucinating Muse presence>Ben Hochberg tries to convince Kirstin to leave Murdock & McDuffie and drop the Swordsman case>One of the 2 escapees from the Northern Star gets killed by Buck Cashman>Fisk is cutting a deal with Daniel Blake, letting him have an apartment in his building>Karen warns BB Urich to not get too close to Daniel>Karen calls Jessica Jones to get info on who is buying the weapons on the Northern Star>Cherry gets beat up by the AVTF who ask why he’s looking for Greek Sailors>Matt saves Cherry until he gets knocked out>Bullseye (offscreen) saves Daredevil (pic rel)Episode 1 thoughts? Hopes and/or expectations for episodes 2 and 3?
Schedule for the rest of the season.
>>219178190>shoot the moonMoonknight confirmed.
>>219178239>don't tell me how to be mister murdock! who cares if i'm skipping school and don't have any super powers or any weapons i'm going to follow the creepy serial killer to his hideout!!!!seriously the dumbest character of all time even worse than heather somehow
>>219178291No chance.
>>219178190are we going to finally see swordsman in combat today? thank fuck, he has just shown up as Jack all last season.
>>219178175>Karen and Matt are living together in an apartment above Josie’sthis is dumb and should have been raided by the AVTF. it makes no sense how matt and karen are just living there. it's literally the only bar matt murdock and karen page are known to go in AND it's the bar that foggy died at (which fisk knows). either fisk knows he lives there and is letting him (which is also stupid?) or fisk has no clue he's staying there and I'm not sure which is worse.
>>219178175So Matt knows Vanessa ordered the hit on Ray Nadeem AND that she ordered the hit on Foggy Nelson... what is stopping him from putting her in jail? Fisk has wanted to kill him for years at this point would it really change his life in any way?
>>219178175>Episode 1 thoughts?the black suit is nice, kind of strange they don't show him getting it but whatever>>219178190only an 8 episode season? hopefully they don't rush the ending>>219178239i hate this>>219178317i also hate this>>219178709probably, i'd imagine someone breaks him out of prison either Matt or Dex. Would be kino if it's both of them.>>219178880it will eventually get raided there is no doubt about it>>219179408fisk went to jail for nadeem's death that's like the whole point of the season 3 ending as for foggy who is the jury going to believe the schizo bullseye or the mayor's wife?
Bzzzzt BZZZZZZZZZZZT
>>219178175Anyone still watching capeshit should be euthanized
was it filmed all at once and they're releasing it in two parts?
>>219181605No. Season 2 was filmed in spring 2025 while season 1 of born again was filmed before the strikes in 2023.
I am still standing by my point that it's dumb that they didn't show how Dex escaped the gala. He tried to assassinate the mayor of the biggest city in the country and was able to escape the gala? Huge plot hole and he should have either >been throwing in the red hook prison>or shot on siteit makes absolutely no sense how dex is alive and not in prison right now
>>219181888checc'd & kek'dty anon
>>219178175>Matt saves Cherry until he gets knocked outThis is fucking retarded by the way. Our "hero" gets his ass beat by a few rent-a-cops. Pathetic.
>>219178880Josie's Bar got shut down shortly after the Bullseye massacre, it's been closed for over a year. I think only Josie has been known to be still living there.
>>219178175>Hopes and/or expectations for episodes 2 and 3?According to a guy who had already seen the whole season. Ep 2 is the worst one and Ep 3 has the big hallway fight.Some people think the story finally locks in at ep 3, others at ep 4 (which opens with the Bullseye diner fight and has a major character death)
This season actually has made me feel bad for Cherry
what the fuck was that opening this fat motherfucker just killed his boxing coach why does he even have a boxing coach where did that nigga come from????
DDL link someone pls
>innocent brown people arrested by white cops
BULLSEYE KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>219186377this
All this show has done is proof to me that wilson's bullseye is just as good if not better than cox's daredevil. Seriously he deserves an hour long special more than punisher.
*prove
JUST POST A DDL FUCKING DISNEY PAYING JEW FAGGOTS
>>219184084His focus is split since he's realizing Cherry is about to die of a heart attack. The crushing realization that he might save him from the task force, but he's going to die anyway.
wait people say THIS episode sucks? this season is going to be great if episode 2 is considered the worst of the season
How much screentime has Matt had so far?
>>219186678You don't want to hear Jon Bernthal grunt and groan like a caveman for an hour+?
>>219187221not keeping track but a noticeable amount>>219187223learn to read. punisher IS getting a 1 hour special. i said wilson as bullseye deserves it more than punisher
>>219187223>>219187329wait i'm autistic i didn't realize that was sarcasm nevermind forget that happened
Why does Heather have the muse mask? This is retarded
niggers link to ddl
I hate the ugly as fuck over saturated neon colors. Just like the lightsabers in their Star Wars shows, it just looks so fucking shit.>>219187223His retard moan is something else.
>Kate Bishops step dad is in court>Doesn't show up but also isn't mentioned?
>>219178175Episodes 2 and 3https://gofile.io/d/yL1BSb
>>219186962It's fucking retarded that he would, in the middle of a fight, completely stop for 5 seconds and not pay attetion to anything else because a guy was having a heart attack (which he already knew so it's not even like he could be surprised). After all the shit he's done in the previous shows there's just no way a couple of ICE agents could even touch him.
Has Buck Cashman evolved past being "budget wesley" yet?
>>219188117at lastthx nigger
episode 3 was pretty good but I am annoyed about no jess yet
>>219188584 she's only in the last 2-3 episodes. luke cage only has 1 scene and he shares that scene with jess. rumor is that they got married.
Fuck this crazy bitch
>>219188343He's getting a lot of scenes with the supporting characters of the Fisk storyline so I wonder if he's going to end up turning against him
>>219188777i'd love to
Is Matt really shocked that Kingpin killed his own guys for the 1000th time?
>>219188343Not yet but he's getting close. He's grown on me.
>>219188699Damn. Well I have enjoyed this season okay but I am more excited for what they are setting up for s3. I think the idea is that they are gonna do more team ups and swashbuckling and stuff once this Devil's Reign arc is done. I also really liked that they were asking where Frank is in this episode, curious why he isn't around helping, obviously foreshadowing to his special after the finale this May. Where is he bros?
>karren can just hit a avtf agent 4 times and knock him out, let alone carry him to a room god knows where>matt hits the agents with a baton multiple times, they still get back up
>>219188938Tbf the AVTF agent wasn't trying to hurt her
>>219188843kind of? usually when fisk kills someone it isn't in plain site and usually there is enough deniability but with this it could likely be traced back to him.
>>219188938still she punched the guy in the helmet and chest, both armored
>>219188938she said "he's different" which implies he started talking. i get what you're saying and i hate girlboss shit but this isn't that. that dude gave up his key card willingly
>Every scene with Bullseye>Sister Maggie confirmed alive>The one-take scene>Lalo/Swordsman’s dialogue>Karen straight kidnapping and killing cops>Tony Soprano Jr being charming as hellYeah they fucking saved this series bigtime with the new writers/directors
I can now see why they grouped episodes 2 and 3 together, the former was pretty aimless.
Vanessa needs to get beaten up at some point
>>219189096>Every scene with Bullseyeseriously. they make him seem so menacing it's amazing. he's said like 2 sentences and has had like 25 total seconds of screen time over the course of 3 episodes but takes over the show during that time. Seeing how scared he makes vanessa is kino.
>>219189145the cliffhanger of episode 2 isn't worth a 1 week wait so i'm glad they grouped 2 and 3 together. maybe if it was the avtf member that killed hector it would have meant more but it wouldn't have made any sense and he likely wouldn't have talked
>>219189154She's dying next episode
if the webm anon is here can we get one of the bullseye elevator kills + knife trick
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>>219189096>Tony Soprano Jr being charming as hellWhen he got buck to break the act and eat the hotdog i let out a chuckle. I think one of those 2 will eventually turn on Fisk.
does the general public know bullseye's identity? can't fisk do the same thing he did to matt murdock to dex? >"hey new york an fbi agent has gone missing and i think he was kidnapped by daredevil, please find benjamin poindexter"
>>219189808Yes, Dex was literally on trial
>>219189666ty
I can't tell all these brown women apart. Which one is the PTSD psychologist that almost got killed by the guy in the white hood? Which one is the video journalist? Which one is the lawyer? Oh no, here's another one, who the fuck is she?
Which boards does he lurk?
>>219190005>PTSD psychologist that almost got killed by the guy in the white hood?Heather, Matt's ex.>Which one is the video journalist?BB Urich. The niece of the newspaper guy from the netflix seasons that fisk killed>Which one is the lawyer?Kirstin McDuffie
>>219190005I can understand confusing the two black chicks with asian eyes, but how you'd confuse them with the white woman is bafflingI'm not expecting you to know their names, but come on
those fisk roleplay vids only have 2 possible outcomes>they find out it's BB and they kill her>daniel protects her and they kill him insteadwhich is more likely?
>>219190190we're counting heather as white?
>>219190249whateverthe point is, she's not black
This is confirmed to be set after Thunderbolts so they're just up there chilling in the tower while all of this is happening btw
>>219190425Yeah but isn't that because Val de Fontaine is their boss and she supports Kingpin?
>>219190519Kind of but their movie ended with them basically owning Val with the threat of exposure if she ever attempted to do shady shit again
>>219178239I loved this scene. I have a huge soft spot for heroes with proud, caring parents, especially when they're a bit dorky about it.
>>219190876I was just amused by Matt's deadpan "No" response when Ms. Marvel's dad kept asking him if he knew who Ms. Marvel was.
>>219178175>looking for sailors
This season is sucks
>>219189666Why isn't he carrying any mags for his pistol?
>>219189096>Sister Maggie confirmed aliveIs the actress dead or something? I see no reason why they need to bench her
Bullseye next week
HAS KAREN BEEN TURNED INTO A WOKE GIRLBOSS?DOES SHE MOCK AND DEGRADE MATT OR INNOCENT MEN?(Grace Randolph said they turned her into a Karen)Nothing else fucking matters, she was the best Mcu woman in the original Netflix seasons.
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>>219189096>>Karen straight kidnapping and killing copsWERE THEY COPS SHE PERSONALLY SAW DOING EVIL SHIT LIKE FRAMING OR MURDERING INNOCENTS?
I can't believe how close Matt came to getting raped by a bunch of cops before Bullseye of all people saved him
>>219192724>>219192676CAN WE AGREE WOLL WAS AMONG THE TOP SEXIEST WOMEN OF THE 2010S?
>>219193712
>>219190010/k/, /sp/, /ck/, & /lit/
>>219192676Not so far. She's struggling with her moral stance about lethal vigilantism (not for the first time, she did it in DA S2 and the Punisher show as well), and butting heads with Matt about it a little. But nothing beyond that.Also I think she killed a guy. Also not for the first time.
>>219193787>>219193712
>>219178175How the fuck is every single episode from Disney's Daredevil S2 painfully slow and boring, while every Netflix Daredevil felt rewarding, like a story encapsulated within every episode. What is Disney doing wrong?
>>219193937The key point here is that Netflix Daredevil had a lot of time to breathe, in both its episode counts (13) and runtime (50-60 minutes). Characters were actually allowed to have full convos that didn't always need to setup the next plot point. This allowed everyone to become distinct, and this is very important because something Daredevil had over even the other Netflix Marvel shows was a strong supporting cast.Disney Daredevil is too tight, the total episode count is now only 8 and the runtimes range from only 40-50 minutes. Convos only last for a few seconds if not a minute. There are barely any scenes like when Matt discusses the Book of Job. It's just plot, plot, exposition. The new supporting cast is also simply less interesting but they get most of the screentime in these new eps. I hope that changes next week when Bullseye comes in and probably kills half of the cast.
>>219193937they didn't give the original show runner enough money or creative control or whatever, or didn't approach him at allironically they would do all that now, but he's probably over it
>>219178175this show sucks, it has no fucking pacing whatsoever. it’s just non-sequential trailer shots with a plot going on behind it
>140 cm tall, 45 kghere's your new White Tiger, bro
>>219196913more like adopted latina daughter-wife that'll have dress in traditional aztec slave girl attire at all times
>>219196980pedo
>>219197088unfortunately for you, she's legal
>>219193914>>219193787>>219193712
>>219178175>RESIST>REBEL>SAVE THIS CITY>WE GOTTA TAKE BACK THIS CITY>THIS CITY DOES NOT BELONG TO FISK>THIS CITY RESISTS>CITY>STREETS>NEW YORK>VANESSAI like the character of Matt, the whole Catholic guilt he has and was explored in the Netflix version. But this is genuinely a very derivative and empty show. It's very sanitised without any of the genuine pathos. It's just>RESISTANCE>IN THE STREETSI keep watching for the crumbs of Based Bullseye. Honestly, I know this puts me in the minority, but I keep waiting for Elektra and all the magic ninja BS to come back. DD is best when he's a self-hating Catholic fighting undead ninjas. I'm certain S2 ends with him and Fisk in jail, so I guess I'll have to wait for S4 to hopefully get some of that back.I don't know, I remember how badly received all the Hand stuff in the Netflix era was received, but at least then the street level angle was well-done. It was gritty and low level. Not my cup of tea in genre terms, but it was raw. This is all very [current day]. I don't care about Burger politics, I'm not a Zion Don apologist who's offended, I just find all of this very repetitive. It's just wholesome uwu chungus heroes being LA RESISTANCE against Not!Drumpf for episode after episode. There's none of that Catholic element, the grittiness is for show, the characters are simpler; it's all just watered down.Anyway, I might be one of the 10 people who are just waiting for the Hand to come back. Until then I'll keep watching for the bits and pieces of Bullseye being kino.
>>219197395the hand are in the new spider-man movie for some reason
>>219197395Episode five is apparently about Daredevil and Bullseye stuck in a Church together where they discuss faith and redemption
>>219197501Yeah I know. As for why, the director's Chinese or something. I can see him wanting to bring in the Ninjas. Maybe they're building up to something with Punisher in it. I pray to God they don't adapt Aaron's awful Punisher as King of the Hand eventually. Which worries me because the symbol on the tank that people thought was Mr Negative's Inner Demons, looks a lot like the DemonSkull Punisher sported during that period.>>219197644Well, that's nice to hear. At least that's something to look forward to.
>>219197781If they're bringing The Hand back then that's probably going to lead to Elektra's return and Shadowlands (Daredevil becomes Kingpin of Hell's Kitchen and leads an army of ninjas, ends up becoming evil and gets beaten by Iron Fist).
>>219197990I think that's likely but for S4 and later. S3 probably is Matt in jail. I wonder if they have a plan to end it or they'll let it ride on and on. I don't know how you can go past Shadowland. I guess they could do this>S3 is Devil In Cell Block D>S4 is ShadowLand ft the street-level Defenders>S5 is Waid DD>S6 is Matt and Elektra as the FistAnd that brings to 2030 at best. I don't know for how much longer they can milk an acrobatic character like DD with people in their 40s+.
>>219197990the showrunner of born again has said he wants to bring back everyone ever from the netflix era, and the head of marvel TV or whatever the position is called specifically mentioned bringing back elektra
>>219198193I think they filmed a fight scene out in the street so I don't think Matt is in jail, although his identity might be exposed since it happens while he isn't wearing the DD suit or his glasses.
>>219191687Woke libtard don't like guns but they think muslims knife attacks are cool. Hence this scene.
>>219198472Hm, I haven't kept up with the shooting leaks. Well, even if they adapt DiCBD they could still have scenes outside of prison before or after. Maybe it'll be DD becoming Kingpin of Hell's Kitchen and then lead into the jail arc/season then into Shadowland and whatnot. But that'd be way too drawn out if they're setting up something with the Hand in Spider-Man this year. We'll see, I suppose. I wonder if they'll bring back separate projects for Punisher, Iron Fist and whatnot, or if they'll just fold all of that into Born Again as an umbrella.
>>219198544Punisher is getting a special like Werewolf by Night did, but there's been no other plans outside of that for now.
>>219198197all the netflix actors have been hitting the gym lately on their socials too, which is typically a sign they're filming shit or about to start even iron fist
>>219198516They gave Kingpin a gun tho
>>219198642I know about the special anon, come on. Would I be here otherwise? I'm speculating about hypothetical follow-ups. I don't think they're likely to make full shows about Jessica and whatnot again, but I also think "Daredevil & Friends" also doesn't work. They probably can't cross over fully to the movie side, aside from supporting roles, but also they're not marketable like the Punisher. Luke & Danny could headline a movie, but now they've got X-Men and all that, while the FF are in their 50s, they can't allocate movie slots to tv characters. For my money they'll get to doing 3 shows per year, keep them all in the tv ghetto, and just have them all coming and going through each other's seasons. Honestly, I just want to see more of pic related. I'm tired of all the purely street and derivative political stuff. Give me undead ninja mysticism. Frank and Bullseye can go play with the super-soldier side of the MCU.
I've seen a decline in Fisk and Dexposting :/
>>219199078A Shadowland arc with more paranormal aspects like the Beast could be kino, but they would need to do quite a bit of build up before that, imo. And still keep the overall mysticism subtle.
>>219191687the pistol is the mag
>>219199078There were rumors that they were planning a Jessica Jones special presentation next. I don't think Marvel is ready to commit to giving the other Defenders their own revival series but they are willing to allow them to appear in other stuff.
>>219190425fisk works for val, or at least works with. we see this in the phone call in episode 1.>>219190657shady shit is how their tower gets funded so they have to deal with it>>219192923i don't think that was the cops intension kek>>219193937slight revisionist history, netflix daredevil had it's slow moments.>>219196913they really should have gotten an actress that was a couple years older. should have gotten one of dafne keens latina friends.>>219198749yea born again season 3 started filming like a week or two ago
>>219199249Honestly, I find "The Beast" to be one of the most boring demongods, so it's not the lore I'm in for. I just want to see DD get into more mystic stuff. But that's my dislike for street-level things in general.>>219199317I think they could do it like this>DD keeps going as is>Danny, Luke, Jess all get packaged in a Heroes For Hire/Defenders show>Punisher and Bullseye crossover to the movies with Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts/Dark Reign adaptations while also dipping into the D+ shows here and thereSo you've got a DD season per year, Defenders, and another show. Moon Knight I think just goes to the magic side fully, gets a slot in Midnight Sons, and if he's well received by the movie audience, maybe gets a movie. Isaac's pretty old at this point, I don't know if they can keep holding him off.
Fuck The Hand, there are many other comic villains to pull from that haven't appeared in the shows yet>The Owl>Gladiator>Mr Fear>Typhoid Mary>Lady Bullseye>Ikaris>Coyote
>>219199509The Owl died in S1 and the Gladiator was the guy who made Matt's DD suit.
Heather and Buck in 1 scene had more chemistry than Matt and Heather and they dated for an entire season
>>219199549The original plan for Daredevil S4 on Netflix was to bring in The Owl (who would be the son Leland kept mentioning in S1) and pairing him up with Typhoid Mary (same actress from Iron Fist S2 but with a new outfit and more comic accurate abilities) in a noir murder romance mystery.Then S5 would have been Bullseye's return and Melvin becoming Gladiator.
>>219198806i hate how much foreshadowing and teasing they are doing with bullseye and vanessa, alongside showing how angry fisk gets at the fight. really not hard to put 2 and 2 together after that.
>>219199801They telegraphed it so hard that I think the twist is going to be that it isn't Bullseye who ends up killing Vanessa but rather someone one else, like maybe Daredevil or even Kingpin by accident.
>>219199423I hope if they ever do Moon Knight again, they completely reboot him after Secret Wars to be more like the Moench version, and keep the mysticism limited to plausible deniability within his psychology. (And it'd give Disney a reason to recast since Isaac isn't hot with them anymore, understandably). I REALLY want a street-level Moon Knight that isn't magic; but I know my dreams aren't likely to come true, what with how not even the current comics are allowed to do that, for as decent as they are. Fug.
>>219178175Am I able to skip season 1? I got bored of that dull plot of making the good guys look like bad guys, which seems to be all Marvel does lately.
>>219200815No>that dull plot of making the good guys look like bad guysWhat?
>>219200843Did you skip season 1 too then? Because that's what was going on (making the Punisher look shit for one thing).
>>219200866Punisher kills more people in the season finale than he does in the entirety of his own show
>>219198193>S5 is Waid DDI hope they never adapt that yee yee ass haircut from the comic
>>219200783>street-level Moon Knight that isn't magicWhy? What else does ANOTHER street-level character have to offer that the rest don't? Granted, as I've I dislike street-stuff in general, and I understand wanting to see his supporting cast like Marlene and Frenchie over OCs like Layla and the such, but I don't get why people dislike the overtly supernatural elements. Without them it's just another>MUH CITY>MUH STREETSshow. And to me these are the most boring ones around. It's why they gave even Punisher the overarching military conspiracy plot. After a while seeing a guy in a stupid costume running around alleyways beating up niggers gets boring. But then again I'm more of a War Journal Punisherfag than an Ennisfag, so I like Frank being a global soldier of sorts.>>219201368I doubt it. Cox isn't even bothering to shave despite Matt being clean shaven for decades. Everyone playing these characters shows up just how they woke up, they're not bothering to morph them into the characters. Same with Fagscal's stupid mustache and so on.
>>219199509Typhoid Mary was in the Netflixverse, played by Alice Eve. It actually led to a pretty based interview of hers.
>>219201519>doubt it. Cox isn't even bothering to shave despite Matt being clean shaven for decadesCharlie Cox is currently filming S3 and he still has the beard, so does Vincent D'onofrio. They were probably leaving it unshaved to build up to their new looks
>>219201519I like how the street-level setting is used to explore his psychology. I like Moon Knight as a metaphor for paranoia, and to explore him using his persona as escapism, which quite a few Moench stories leaned into. Shoutouts to the High Strangeness mini that's about mind-control and conspiracy theories and tulpas and alien grays, lol.I also like it for the atmosphere and mood, yes. But Moon Knight is ostensibly more noir than say Daredevil; he wasn't compared to Batman (and Moench then going on to WRITE Batman, TWICE) for no reason. I also like that it means the villains, even if sometimes outlandish like Morpheus, feel more grounded. It gives their presence more weight when they're causing mayhem in a normal city block, instead of global destruction etc etc.And yeah, the supporting cast. Crawley is one of my favorite characters in Marvel, period. When I learned he was meant to be the silent, statue street-performer in the D+ show, I nearly punched my screen.I don't mind the presence of mysticism in MK, not at all. But I feel making it OBJECTIVELY REAL completely deflates the emotional weight of Marc's mental illness. Same for making Khonshu objectively manipulative and evil, thats the one thing I hated about the otherwise-good 2016 run. Actually, the rin right before that, I really liked - how it introduced the idea that villains were followers of Khonshu, and he gave them power, but he still supported Marc in the end. He's a God, not a simple being that falls into our understandings of morality.Explore Egyptian themes and Khonshu as a character, but keep it within MK's head. That's all. Him being an unreliable narrator, even to himself, is an interesting dynamic - confirming "nah it's all fr bro" deflates that.
>>219201663I'm still betting for a Jail Arc next, because it works with all the Defenders posting gym selfies. Danny comes back and LARPs as Daredevil while Matt and Fisk are in jail. Elektra is involved with the Hand stuff. Cage is built up to become Mayor. Something like that.>>219201683I hear you, and it all makes sense. I'm no fan of D+ handling the DID like they're some fucked up "found family" inside his head, but I have no problem with the explicit supernatural elements. It's just that I'm so over street-level stuff, that I will take any other genre over>MUH STREETSBut yeah, MK's supporting cast was sacrificed for OCs, the whole Steven Grant bit was laughable, Mr. Knight was wasted, and so on. I wish they'd course correct, but I would not want a return to him being just a guy protecting >MUH CITYIn all honesty, I doubt S2 is happening. Best case scenario he gets to be in Midnight Sons.
>>219201663>currently filming S31 season a year seems crazy no?
>>219202031Set for release on March 2027. Born Again is fairly cheap and easy to produce (budget is probably less than $10 million) on an annual basis, which is what Marvel wants.
This show is now on the same level of slop shit that the Flash obtained. I want homelander to show up and clap Cuckdevil's cheeks to make him deaf.
Seems like the pace is a bit too rushed but so far so goodThe Black Suit is so fucking cool
>>219201898I don't think we're getting a full Defenders crossover, probably something morw like Frank in S1 or Jessica in S2 where they only pop in for 2-3 eps.Dario Scardapane was adamant that S3 would be back to basics and street level because S2 became too epic and political with the Mayor Fisk storyline so he wants the show to wind down going forwards.
>>219201898I think you're pigeonholing "street-level" too much. Spider-Man is street-level, lest you forget. All it really boils down to is a matter of scale; town-level vs world-level vs galaxy-level, etc. And I just don't think making MK the "magic egypt man" works. Imagine if they took Daredevil to space. Ew.Really it just sounds like you've read/watched too much Daredevil, Punisher, and Batman, and need a shift in genre.I don't want a S2, at best I'd want a complete do-over like I said lol. But I'm betting they're just going to avoid the character entirely from now on, which I'm also fine with. Rather that than more nonsense that doesn't appeal to me.
>>219202442>Imagine if they took Daredevil to space. Ew.That will happen in Avengers
>>219202676>daredevil goes to earth-69 where fisk won>streets are clean, crime is nonexistentKINO
>>219202172>Dario Scardapane was adamant that S3 would be back to basics and street level because S2 became too epic and political with the Mayor Fisk storyline so he wants the show to wind down going forwards.Well, that's sad to hear. If S2 is their "epic", I'm wary to see what they want to do next... >>219202442>I think you're pigeonholing "street-level" too much. Spider-Man is street-level, lest you forget.Yeah, I haven't cared for Spider-Man in more than a decade too, so...>And I just don't think making MK the "magic egypt man" works. Imagine if they took Daredevil to space. Ew.Eh, I feel like it's different. DD is tied to the streets. MK began much closer to Indiana Jones and Batman, so to me globetrotting magical adventures don't stick out much. I understand your POV but for me, if they toned down the shitty humor, I wouldn't mind the overtly supernatural MK over the more noir, original version.>Really it just sounds like you've read/watched too much Daredevil, Punisher, and Batman, and need a shift in genre.I honestly haven't bothered with them much in years and years. I check out the odd issue from here and there. I just never liked street-level much. It's been like that ever since I got into comics ages ago. I'm the kind who genuinely likes BatGod...>But I'm betting they're just going to avoid the character entirely from now on, which I'm also fine with. Rather that than more nonsense that doesn't appeal to me.S2 isn't likely IMO. Isaac's too old to be tied to that and they've stopped spending that much cash on the shows. But I think it's very likely that he appears in Midnight Sons if that film ever does happen.I'll be honest with you, my pet peeve with Daredevil is very autistic, and I mean that literally. Because he's got "devil" in his name, and he's got the whole Catholic thing going on, my brain cannot stand him not being connected to the magic genre. It's just personal autism.
>>219200815just watch the last 2 episodes
>>219202765>If S2 is their "epic", I'm wary to see what they want to do next...The showrunner did mention that he wanted to do a Daredevil story involving Valentina but it was out of his hands because Marvel Studios had their own plans with the Thunderbolts. So we're either getting Jail arc or Kingpin arc for S3.
>>219202954I'd say Jail is more likely and honestly I'd prefer that
>>219203026Jail arc would definitely open up to some cool possibilities like Matt's identity now being blown open and being stuck in a isolated setting where he'll have to co-exist with new villains and maybe even the ones survived from all the other Netflix shows (Gladiator, Bushmaster, Typhoid Mary).
Which couple is going to get the sex scene this season?>matt & karen>fisk & vanessa>bb & daniela>heather & buck
>>219203199Luke & Jessica (handholding)
How is Heather still allowed to be a psychiatrist after the Muse situation? Surely any coworkers or peers would have seen that and advised her to go to therapy?
>>219203199dex and matt
>>219178175How old is white tiger jr again?
>Only catholic superhero in the MCU>Has sex everyday while still being unmarriedWon't he go to hell for this? Is he stupid?
>>219203327>catholic>fucks all the timeso the average catholic then
>>219203315Turning 12 next year
my opinion about this season so far>below netflix S1,S3, punisher half of S2>above the hand half of S2>far above born again S17/10, would be higher if born again didn't look like shit compared to netflix series. need more bullseye kino
>>219203327to be fair comic matt is same. despite being catholic he fucks a lot
>>219203484
>>219203327he just repents afterwards
>>219203551What's funny is that Dex will have his obligatory shirtless scene while Karen and Angela are in the same room as him in one of the TV spots.
>>219203327isn't star lord also? iirc he mentioned jesus in one of the avengers movies
>>219202954I do wonder what their plan with the "Thunderbolts" is. I doubt the team makes it as the Avengers after Secret Wars. I can see them doing a proper Dark Reign, and doing a "Thunderbolts: Dark Avengers" flick at some point. Then there's the question of juggling both Avengers and X-Men amidst all the other franchises.
>>219203598My guess is doom kills like half of them and val gets exposed and then we get a dark avengers or an actual thunderbolts team with red hulk, zemo and bullseye
>>219203598whatever their plan is for thunderbolts is, i hope they wont kill off any character or disband the team. for years MCU movies were dogshit and thunderbolts was first MCU movie i saw since endgame and it was really enjoyable. that team has more potential that whatever new avengers is
>>219203598>>219203642>>219203667"What happens to X after Secret Wars" is a question that could apply to everything in the MCU including Born Again. I was actually thinking that the reason why it might end prematurely isn't because of low ratings (because the series is chum change in terms of budget and D+ needs more annual shows) but rather because it will inevitably get derailed by or have to account for Dr. Doom's multiverse shenanigans.Like the Fantastic Four are probably moving into the main universe after Avengers. Does that mean NYC is going to have a new retrofuturistic look in the rebooted timeline? Is Born Again S4 going to feature retrobots and hover cars?
>>219203642I don't know about Val, they seem to want to keep her around as Fem/Evil!Fury. I doubt anything in Doomsday/SW deals with Val and her machinations specifically; there's just no room in the story for Earth exposes. They need a middle movie to lead to Red Hulk (with another recast) and the such joining. I think Spider-Man 5 featuring the MCU Osborn, some specials and whatnot could do that. Maybe a Cap 5. Bring back Zemo, have Bucky suit up as Captain America too or something, continue that thread. Otherwise there's no way to go from T-Bolts to DD/SW and then to a wholly new Dark Avengers team.>>219203667Sentry probably stays, same as Yelena. C/D-Listers like Guardian, USAgent, Ghost, I genuinely have no idea. Bucky is the odd one out because I don't see Stan sticking around to play Blacktain America's No2 so who knows.>>219203720I think FF are just dropped into this universe, nothing else carries over, the same way Peter Darker was brought into the 616 after SW. I doubt much changes. What baffles me is that they've already introduced mutants instead of using the multiverse as a way to explain them. We'll see, I guess.
i know why they can't have him in the show, but it's so hard to believe that spidey is okay with/ignoring the taskforce and everything fisk does.
>>219203970He's still crying about his ex-girlfriend offscreen.
>>219203970it was always like that. 'member when wanda took over entire town and turned everyone into her slave? or when egiptian gods started shit in egipt in moon knight? where was dr strange? most marvel movies have this problem since there are now so many super heroes in MCU
>>219203315Why the fuck does fisk needs playgrounds closed?lol
>>219204231Isn't part of the point of Martial Law is to reduce opportunities for social gatherings?
>>219204195i understand strange not giving a fuck about any of those, i don't think he even knew about wanda until it was over. he is the character that's actually busy. but i doubt someone like banner, captain falcon, hell the thunderbolts* would be like "yeah bro, martial law in NYC by the kingpin? he hunts vigilantes, which we are? totally not my problem bro".
>>219204231it's a basketball court anon...think
>>219204378cont: even just a news segment about how the rest of country is divided by Fisk's decision, and the government's official position is asking enhanced people to stay away and don't further escalate a conflict would help.
this show is so fucking bad
>LOOK WE SAID "FUCK" SEE HOW MATURE AND EDGY WE ARE???
i'm glad they talked about franks absence, you would think fisk would have a bigger manhunt for him since he escaped before matt did the northern star shit
>>219204787Weirdly enough despite the Marvel Netflix shows being allowed to showcase gore and even rape, ABC Studios were absolutely adamant that they couldn't ever say "fuck".
>anti ICE propaganda in the restaurant sceneYep, dropped
Did anyone else find that scene at the beginning of ep 2 weird? When Kingpin's trainer started calling Fisk a pussy and kept interrupting him while he was speaking to Buck, then Fisk punches him and smashes into the mirror which then cut abruptly to the intro. It was pretty funny.
>>219204844and they said lefties were easy to trigger
>>219204862the whole show is terribly paced. its just constant jumping between clunky scenes to rush the plot forward to whatever crossoverslop it needs to reach, all while the characters summarise the story aloud every 5 minutes for the benefit of zoomies on their phones
>>219204844>>anti ICE propaganda in the restaurant scene>Yep, dropped
>>219204888>>219204934You lost tranny
>>219204787The f bombs feel forced, the show feels like a very shitty PG show trying hard to be edgy, so it doesn't work
>>219204905What crossovers? Ain't do other hero doing shit about Kingpin aside from Daredevil despite Spider-Man and the New Avengers being around at the same time. I don't know if Kate Bishop's stepdad should count as a big deal but it's cool that he's there now.
>>219205059Defenders reunion?
The camera and the effects are shit. Its like they got -50% less budget.The "daredevil and karen have a secret place to do mischief XD" scenes are cringeThe story makes zero sense. The major decides vigilantes are banned, so there is an armed task force hunting vigilantes, and they can harrass anybody. And if you help a vigilante you will have a wanted poster. lolAlso where the fuck is spiderman? Should I really believe that he was like "ok fisk is against me being a superhero so I will retire"?cringe
>>219205082Only Jessica plays a (supporting) role, Luke and Danny are just brief cameos near the end of the finale.
>>219204862there are so many scenes that just sort of happen without any proper build up to them beforehand. I gave this a pass the last season, when the whole thing was an obvious chop job; but everything’s still super rushed. I knew Disney weren't going to handle this right
>>219205180>LukeJesus christ, are they bringing him back aswell? I died of cringe when he did the fortnite move.
>>219205182It's a problem that afflicts some D+ shows like Alien Earth and Percy Jackson, but other series there have completely fine editing. It's very strange.
>>219189096by new writers directors you just mean they brought the old nf crew back, god this could've been awful
>>219205207Why Luke Cage? It was more believable for him to come back compared to Iron Fist.
>>219205161Peter is depressed as fuck, I can believe it that he takes a week or two out.
>>219204862>>219204905>>219205182i swear the pacing was actually better (less terrible) in the first season
>show is called daredevil>daredevil is barely in it
>>219205182probably because they reuse the same showrunners/editors. nothing has a unique, auteur-driven voice behind it. Born Again feels like it’s helmed by people trying to make a trailer instead of a focused season of television
>>219205435 this was meant for >>219205243
>>219205433It was always a Karen show
>>219205433he has only been daredevil this entire season there hasn't been a single matt murdock scene
I hope tenacious d has a cameo.
>>219205386Pre-overhaul episodes were more fully formed but less exciting (literally the intended oner sequence in the original Born Again was just a slice of life episode, which got recut into ep 4 in the final show).
>>219190010He lurks in my pants.Shave my balls from time to time.
>>219205456i unironically wouldnt mind if it were just karen eating up the screentime. instead we get matts ex-colleague, fisks cabinet, the niece of the guy from s1. theres a huge fucking supporting cast and none of them are remotely interesting.save for maybe heather. she was shit s1 but theyre taking her in an interesting direction this season
>>219204231If the whole show wasn't a TRUMP BAD allegory, I'd say this bit is a COVID LOCKDOWNS BAD allegory.
>>219178175>Jack just starts throwing metal pipes at ICE agentslel
Wait, the last time I watched this shit was at netflixIt ended with Daredevil beating Kingpin and Kingpin was arrestedHow the fuck does he not only leave prison, but become a major too?
>>219203551To think he could have been Captain America
>>219205532if kirstin wasn't in the show as the lawyer defending the vigilantes there would be introduction to the other heroes like swordsman and matt would have no intel for his DD antics. since karen is also hiding and jess isn't here yet.
>>219205580They're trying to tie the covid lockdowns with Trump because they know left-wingers are retards who will believe anything fiction tells them.
>>219205532Yeah what's making the season weak so far is its focusing too much on the supporting cast, probably because they didn't actually do much back in S1 so they need the extra legwork to justify keeping and paying all these actors. Even the reviews consistently agreed about this, and they also said Episodes 4-8 is when the season finally becomes peak, and I suspect this is because that's the point where the show finally focuses on the characters people actually care about (Bullseye).
>>219205595>How the fuck does he not only leave prison, but become a major too?unclear!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV1Vzn6xwqQThis was peak daredevil. I refuse to watch this disney shit.
>>219205595the disney+ version picks up like 8 years canonically after that netflix s3 ending. they don't explain how he got out of prison but for becoming mayor they show his campaign and how he won.
>>219205624who was the POTUS during covid lockdowns? Obama?
This show is not working for me one bit, too bad because I like the people in it
>>219205666Born Again should technically take place 10 years after S3 (OG show was 2015-2017, BA is 2027). The MCU timeline has been fucked since the Endgame timeskip so no one really knows.
>>219205624Exhibit A: >>219205691
>>219205595>>219205631>>219205666https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kstvEVWyc4k
>>219205640There was a charm to Daredevil when he was just a basic vigilante climbing the ladder of a criminal conspiracy, but they did that shit twice in S1 and S3 already.The series has to move on from Kingpin and onto new villains.
>>219178880How/why the fuck is foggy dead?
>>219205725sorry goy, but defending his honor online won't save you from being drafted to fight for israel
>>219205716BA picks up in 2025 for the foggy death and then timeskips to late 2026 and then BA season 1 ends in spring of '27 (a couple months before thunderbolts)
I dropped it after S1 ep2I am still amazed that Matt kills bulseye in ep1, and nobody cared that he came back to life
>>219205791vanessa hired bullseye to kill him because the case he was working on threatened to expose some illegal shit she was doing. its as retarded as it sounds
>>219205791Foggy was going to win a court case due to outing Red Hook as a free port and this would have hurt the fisk's business of importing illegal goods so vanessa hired bullseye to kill foggy. it's the entire plot of the last season
>>219205770no. trump’s president, and we need an allegory. you’re stuck with kingpin forever
>>219178175I like that Disney is providing us with the authentic Matt Murdock experience by refusing to light any scenes properly. it's like I'm really there! and also blind!
This bitch is crazy
>>219205824I presume it has to do with his enchanced spine, BA skips over it but I presume the original plan with the Japanese doctors in the Netflix show was going to lead to Lady Bullseye or something.
>>219205831>>219205836Haven't watched any Disney Daredevil. That's really disappointing. Did the actor want to leave or something?
>>219205745this scene should have been the first scene in the first episode why did they wait for the finale to put this in
>>219205942I think he was written off the original version of Born Again, so they contrived a way to kill him off to explain his absence. it’s the same reason why Karen left New York and was gone until the very end of the previous season
>>219205942no the disney team is fucking retarded and originally wanted to reboot instead of continue what they had because they have an ego and think they are better than the netflix team so they wrote karen off and said she moved to california and then killed foggy off. it wasn't until the writers strike when kevin feige saw the script and said this is fucking retarded that everyone got fired and they reshot a couple episodes but they still had to use all of the old footage from the retard team.
>>219205883Whole show looks like absolute shit, Netflix version didn't look at all this bad, it looked like a real show
>>219205942There's apparently an episode in Born Again S2 dedicated to flashbacks during the Netflix era (they even bring back the original lighting as a fuck you) to give Foggy a proper sendoff, and also bring in other old characters to cameo like Wesley
>>219206045but look at how the lighting turns blue when Bullseye has a moment!!! get it, because he’s CRAAAAZY
>>219206067wait, so they know how to make it look like the original show and just aren’t doing it? LMAO
>>219206076I can see why people dislike the color grading and the lens flare abuse but I actually do like how BA color codes certain characters and scenes.
>>219206119Someone on the show must have paid a fortune for a fog machine and wanted to maximize the most out of it through the show.
>>219206130it’s style over substance, and it’s completely unearned when the rest of the show looks like unfiltered dogshit
capeshit writers just dont understand how real people talk and behave, how thw world works, and it makes this show (written by capeshit writers) a very jarring contrast to the original
>>219206076i was only half watching so i might have missed something but did bullseye do anything in these two episodes other than kill those two guys in the lift for seemingly no reason other than reminding us>i too am in this episodethen fuck off
>>219205595In the comix he beat him within an inch of his life and had to take over as Kingpin to stop him for good (i.e. temporarily)I'm guessing they'll do this here too.
>>219206302he also killed him in another timeline IIRCbut the best part is when kingpin killed spider-man despite having no apparent super-powers
>>219206169Why does it need to be earned? If there's something interesting in an otherwise visually bland show, then better keep the interesting part than scrubbing it to keep it consistently bland.
>>219189096>Every scene with BullseyeMy main man Poindexter has special magical blue lighting every time he's on screen. MF is doing some Freddy Kruger shenanigans this season.
>>219206331There's a few people like Kingpin and, ironically, Bullseye who are suspected to be possible mutants due to bordering on superhuman powers.There's still no official explanation as to how Bullseye can not only be accurate to that extent but also charge his shots with kinetic energy.
>>219206302You really think they're going to have Charlie Cox yelling that he's banning whores from New York?
>>219206363I prefer Bullseye to just be naturally built different or just be "that guy" than explaining his abilities away on the mutant gene.
>>219206302
>>219206408currently that's how it is, since the mutant hypothesis was a throaway line by someone, and it's still a mystery how he can do what he does
>>219206408he probably mutated just not x gene mutant.
>>219206302It would tie in well with Brand New Day because that movie is about Peter being overwhelmed by a cavalcade of supervillains. In the comic, Daredevil's strategy as Kingpin was to basically just kick all the villains out of Hell's Kitchen and absolutely nothing else, which is why other heroes start beefing with him. (Then this leads to Murdock Papers/Devil in Cell Block D, then Shadowlands.)
>>219207050>Apparently these 3 episodes are the weakest of the bunch so hope we're in for some good stuff.do you think that is why they released 2 and 3 together? they knew it's pretty meh, so might as well get over it.
>>219205595We don't have much detail, but we know from the last episode of DDBA S1 that the FBI corruption scandal got overturned or mishandled somehow and Kingpin got acquited. Then, from Hawkeye and Echo, that he was back at running crime gangs as early as the Snap/Blip years.Then he gets shot by Echo, but survives. Disappears from his crime empire for a while, leaving Vanessa to pick up the reins. Tries to get back at Echo (get her back or punish her for shooting him) and instead she gets her "whatever is convenient at the time" powers and messes with his head and his childhood trauma.This mental shakeup gives him the idea to run for Mayor, and in the first episode of DDBA S1, he runs for it and wins.Then he tries to use a legal loophole about a port in New York to conduct crime stuff, and creates an anti-vigilante task force. They capture people like Swordman (from Hawkeye) and Punisher, but Frank manages to escape and hilariously doesn't release any other prisoners.That's about it.
I thought episode 1 was good in that they made good use of the new characters in the span of 45ish minutes better than the entirety of season 1 but these 2 episodes kinda just flew by and I don't remember much of what happened. Even though I did think the swordsman stuff was cool but idk neither left much of an impression.Apparently these 3 episodes are the weakest of the bunch so hope we're in for some good stuff.>>219207111Maybe? I kinda remember that's what they did for the first season with the bank episode. I wouldn't go as far as to say these ones are meh considering they're better than 80% of season 1 but I guess that's not saying much.
yo...didn't kingpin kill a bunch of cops in public at the end of season 1 of the netflix show?
>>219207216rich people can get away with stuff
>>219207216No, those were rogue gunman that just so happened to help him escape police custody.
Bullseye > DaredevilDexPosting needs a revival. I need to see this jawline on movie posters for a Dark Avengers movie with McConaughey as Norman.
>>219205942Original showrunners straight up had no Karen or Foggy in their 18 episode season.It was supposed to be a procedural style law and order show where Matt would spend many episodes in court.Foggy would have been revealed in a quick dialogue to have died in a random robbery before the show started and Karen wouldn't be mentioned,it's why in Born Again S1 Karen isn't mentioned at all in most eps
>>219207600I wonder if SOG paid for it or they were just too lazy to make a new sheath. For only about 40 bucks you can have your own Bullseye Knife!https://www.amazon.com/SOG-Fixed-Blade-Knife-Tactical/dp/B00BBQQ3AI
>>219207696>Foggy would have been revealed in a quick dialogue to have died in a random robbery before the show started and Karen wouldn't be mentioned
why is the guy doing kingpin such a bad actor
>>219207600honesly i don't know how netflix pulled it off. everything else they make is either dogshit or mid. in daredevil case not only we got 2 awesome seasons (and half of season 2), but they choose perfect casting for many characters. Matt, Fisk (but Michael Clarke Duncan as fisk in DD movie was also perfect), Bullseye, Karen Page, even punisher casting was great (Ray Stevenson was still better of course, sad he passed away)
>>219207785He's not
