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>>219179688whats with the walking turd? is it from india?
>>219179715What are your favorite movies?
>>219179715I immediately knew this would be the first reply. That’s how predictable you are.
>>219179715yahoo! yahoo! yahoo!
>>219179688He was an asshole I'm glad Adrian fucked other rocks in his absence
>>219179715this is Reddit this is memes this is Reddit this is memes this is Reddit this is memes!!!!
>reddit reddit reddit
It's reddit, but the movie is okay. I'm glad it tempered the book. Andy Wier is AGGRESSIVELY reddit, but movie is just kind of reddit.
>>219179688next person who says reddit is getting kicked in the testicles
>>219179688>meet an alien intelligent lifeform>cultural and language barrier overcome within the span of two daysthats convenient
>>219179988i've seen both now and while theyre both pretty reddit, the production did do a good job keeping it in check (i havent read the book for comparison) and the martian remains the most reddit movie out there
>>219180155Do you think the Eridians had a Reddit?
>>219180198despite being super reddit is the martian still worth watching
>>219180330Yea. Memes aside it’s pretty cool how he figures things out, but the delivery is so cringy that it almost kills it.
>>219180330if you can power through lines like my picrel, and a cringy scenes like where some black millennial thinks the Director of NASA needs a lesson on gravity slingshots, then yes its a decent space movie
>>219179834What am I thinking now?
>>219180446*a number of cringy scenes
>>219180322yes and rocky was the moderator of an eridian sissy hypno subreddit
>>219180198The book reads like it could be way worse if the delivery was not grounded enough
>>219180198How can the pressure, oxygen and temperature change over the span of one sentence?
>>219179944I was thinking that over and over watching the movie.
>>219180541>the HAB designed to last 60 days lasted for over 2 yearsi gave up trying to apply logic to the movie
>>219180198PHM is definitely less reddit than the martian. I agree that the martian might be the most reddit movie.
>>21918061760 days for 6 people with food being the limiting factor is 1 year for 1 person without rationing
>>219180330It was so boring though.You knew the whole time he was gonna succeed, and there was no talking rock, no mystery to solve and nobody else at stake. And then mars has earth gravity too. It had way too little going on to make up for any downsides
>>219182400the limiting factor is also the structure itself isnt made to last on Mars beyond a certain timeframe. remember the scene where his fucking airlock explodes and he loses all of his crops
>>219182605Its retarded, because the atmosphere is so thin on Mars that sandstorms don't really happen. The airlock being open and shut constantly was a stress point for the plastic/polymer tunnel.The rest of the structure wasn't made to only last 60 days and then it would disintegrate lol.
>>219179688I'm still not sure if I want to drive half a day and stay at a hotel just to see this in 70mm.
>there are people who still haven't realized 4chan and Reddit are the same shit, only the former lets you get away with saying slursI use both, each site has its strengths and weaknesses. The way /v/ branched off into multiple boards is just subreddits. You gain nothing from pledging allegiance to a fucking website of all things.
>>219182900Eh, this movie was enjoyable, but I don't think I'd spend the gas and hotel fare for it, anon. But if you do go, haff fun.
>>219182900definitely wouldnt do it for this movie, it was okay but not worth all that
>>219183038I did this for DUNC II and it was worth every penny. Stopped at the Florida Everglades on the way back and had my own enchanting biome experience. Unforgettable trip. But yeah you're right. I've already seen the movie once in basic bitch theaters around town, and while I loved the visuals, there was ENOUGH breathtaking visuals to warrant the trip. I guess I'll just set the money aside to do this for DUNC III instead.
>>219183171*was NOT ENOUGHSorry for not proof reading.
>>219182900definitely not for PHM. save the time and effort for something better
>>219183171>>219183225Good call.
>>219182900>drive half a day and stay at a hotelI live in fowntown indianapolis and can walk to the theater
>>219179688>Tfw you'll never get to fist Rocky's bumpWhy even live bros?
>>219180454BBC
>>219182900I saw it in standard format and it was fine. I don’t think IMAX would have made it that much better.
>>219179688>Reddit: The Movie
>>219184245I don't care if it's Reddit science. A movie releasing now that isn't some subversive "everyone and everything sucks and we should all just hate each other while importing the third world who are all angels" and actually tries to tell a story about optimism is better than any other sci-fi movie released in the last five years.
>>219184245Just because this raging faggot likes the film doesn't mean the film is bad. Plenty of insufferable people like good films.
>>219179795Not this or the Martian that for damn sure
>>219184452>>219184462>t.
i stopped watching after an hour
>>219184591Post your favorite movies from the last five years
>>219179795I don’t watch movies
>>219184636Why Sinners of course! The chuds are le seething!
>>219180155The original edit of the movie was 4hrs long so they cut out a bunch of shit. in the book it goes way more in depth about this. Having every piece of software in the entire world at his disposal he uses some music modulating interpretation software to slowly build a language model they can interface with.The science of the book is dumbed way down to make this a fun space buddy movie instead of "Primer in Space"
>>219184656This
>>219179834>I immediately knew this would be the first reply. That’s how predictable you are.
>>219185458Thanks, kind stranger
>>219180198Considering that both books mentioned 'jazz hands' 20-30 plus times? I'm saying he's pretty reddit.
>>219184452Optimism it's great and all, but this is just more of the same trash that it has been released since who knows at this point, and it's just as bad but for entirely different reasons. Its not that far away from the canned insipid capeshit that's so popular today. Or maybe it's just me, and i'm just sad that we may never get things like The Ninth Door ever again.
Why did Ryan Gosling immediately assume that Rocky was gay and hence give his partner a male name???
>>219180506Does the book go into more detail about this?
>>219179715Antiredditors are more annoying than anything I've ever seen on Reddit.
>>219180330NDT says its the most accurate sci-fi movie ever.
>>219179688Get a face, dumb alien.
>>219179688>>219179715Lmao
This movie made me crode so hard
>>219179715THIS IS REDDIT THIS IS MEMES
>>219179688I wanted to like it but this shit was ship boring and on rails, I never felt any tension and making the alien a comedy relief puppy didn't work at all. If I was 12 this movie probably would have rolled but miller and lord have the subtlety of a jackhammer
This movie is like an updated ET
Feels good to enjoy something for once. I wish i had been in a better moment so i could enjoy it more.
>>219185878Please be bait
>>219183171Dunc 2 specifically was the one movie I saw where IMAX made it genuinely a better experience. I got to see it in 70mm and IMAX and IMAX wiped the floor with 70mm.
Is it weird that I think she's super hot
>>219197897Yes She’s a 4
This movie made me very happy. That said, it felt like it was missing some scenes. Makes sense when apparently the full cut is 4 hours long
>>219197897Felt the same way. She's objectively not pretty but she's incontestably feminine in an appealing way. It's in her attitude. I think if she cut her hair she'd be really unattractive though.
>>219197897https://youtu.be/MQ6J4xHuMgc
>>219179688>the big threat is a contagious intergalactic creature that infects every world>humanity saving project is a one way trip>project lead is a bitchy woman that would go through any means necessary including coercion and kidnappingIm getting deja vu here
>>219182900I would walk 500 miles.
This joke captcha is fun>>219197897she was never a great beauty but i absolutely would, also, i would be happy to have a wife age that well.
>>219179688What happened at the end? I fell asleep when he was having engine problems on the way home.
watch /tv/ do an 180 on this movie as soon as it hits streaming and all the haters actually watch it
>>219199385this. then they'll say how it was the leftist slop loving normgroids who hated the movie and people here love it actually.
>>219183840> I live in fowntown indianapolis and can walk to the theaterWhat’s it like living near that many niggers?
>>219199255turned out that the predatory organism evolved to eat through Xenonite, meaning that Rocky's entire ship would get destroyed before he could reach his planet, so Grace sends the probes to earth but then turns back to save rocky and ends up having to live on his home planet with him.
>>219199736I've seen the movie twice and what I spoiler tagged is what happens in it. I did not read the book.
>>219199777Oh shit. Nice. Good for them to commit like that. Thanks.
>>219199705Thanks. Do we see rocky's planet?
>>219197897I quite like milfs.
>>219199851We see part of it the aliens put under an environmentally controlled dome for Grace to live in. Basically looks like white cliffs of Dover. We don't see their natural habitat.
>>219199182Wow, she was adorable back then
>>219199851rocky's planet in the book is just completely dark, I think their atmosphere is super cloudy and filled with ammonia, it's why they never developed sight. there's nothing really to see
>you are a good human T___T
>>219199880>>219199947It seems as if they would have the technology to send him back to earth after a while.
>>219201297at the end they already do but Grace doesn't want to leave.
>>219201308Fair enough. Rocky treated him better than his own people
>>219182900Its worth it. I cried several times. Saw it in imax with my dad. Go stoned
Reddit as fuckGet this shit out of here
>>219182452Name a Mars film where Mars doesn't have Earth gravity.
>>219182605>designed to last 2 years>still kicking almost 14 years later>the only thing giving up are the metal wheels
>>219199947>Completely dark planet>They eat rocksSo why do they care if astrophage eats their sun?
>>219199947Makes you wonder how they managed to develop enough to create a spaceship when the only sense they really have is hearing.
>>219182900Watch Dhurandhar 2 instead
>>219202216They have ultrasound. There are several shots in "rocky vision" in the movie
>>219179763It's more like a pet rock
>>219198043Basically all women are vastly improved by growing out their hair. It always amazes me when girls have shoulder length hair or shorter, totally nerfing themselves for what?
>>219202069Because in 70 years their planet will be too cold
>>219179715/thread/thread/thread
>>219202216They got lucky and stumbled into a supermaterial, that and good robots are the only real tech they have. the only reason they made it to the star was the combination of cheap astrophage fuel and a ship that won't break no matter what g-forces you throw at it.there's a theory in the book which the movie cuts, that the reason there's only two alien races at the star is because they're at the goldilocks zone of good at space travel but bad at everything else.
>>219180198I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE
>>219187960You don’t actually believe that
I'm halfway through the audiobook and I have to say that it's kinda Reddit. Feel dirty even saying this, but yes, there's a HECK YEAH MY HECKING SCIENCE vibe going on. I wonder if Weir will point out the fact that with the crew almost entirely wiped out, the Hail Mary is indeed full of Grace.
Why do people hate science? It’s so weird to me. Do people not fathom that we’re living in a practically Atlantean period?
>>219204304Because it’s a war over superficiality and words. People deep down hate how science looks and how it works and how it sounds. It’s not their desired shape of reality. They despise the essence underneath the surface paint that is shared in both science and religion (science nerds and atheists are similarly in denial about having their own form of faith and dogma to adhere to). This is why Christians hate when you call God an alien.
>>219179688it was a cute movie with a happy ending :)don't know whats reddit about it as I have never visited that site
>>219204484Cute and wholesome = Reddit and cringe
>>219204484The little Eridians at the end were quite cute
>>219185458upvoted
>>219179688After the gay Ken barbie shit, Gosling is unwatchable
Everything involving him on Earth was awful. Random high school teacher wrote a papper on none water based life (a trillion of those exist and every reddit retard will insist it's possible), abd that somehow gets him kicked out of the field and then that somehow makes him a person of interest in which he just reddit his way into being the one that solves everything on his own?
>>219184636there are no good movies made in the last 5 years.My favourite movie from the last 5 years would be an old movie
>>219204484>It was le funko pop!Redditard
I thought the movie was cowardly. I love the gos, but you gave a thing that’s going to drop the earth’s temperature but no mention of global warming? This is really is trumps snowflake pussy ass America.
>>219204304It's not that people hate science. The problem is science maximalism and the gross abuse of empiricism as a way to assess reality. When science becomes your ultimate lens from which you draw reality, it's like a sort of maiming, you become incomplete. And the trade off isn't even that great since the scientific world view isn't any less fluid or capricious, it exists in uncertainty and can be taken hostage at any time by any sufficiently motivated institution for whatever social or political goals it wants. Science is important, but people who think science is everything are just blind retards who are more susceptible to propaganda than they believe they are.
>>219205728What philosophy do you follow? Genuinely curious.
>>219204484We should all be very cautious of overly saccharine media. That's one of the major problems with anime and it isn't that different from stuff like Project Hail Mary. The Song of Bernadette for example is wholesome and is cute, but it isn't overly so, and certainly not something I would ever quality as Reddit.
>>219205767Dunno about that heady stuff, brother. I'm just a basic bitch Catholic.
>>219179688>>219179988I only just found out yesterday that the same dude wrote both PHM and The Martian and here I was calling one Reddit and the other not as Reddit. This is a reminder for me why you should fully know things before talking about them.
>>219179715reddit hates the author now because he went on some chud youtube channel and shit on woke trek
>>219179688seething na'vi itt
>>219201308what about sex and human companionship? Grace isn't asexual and has needs. Even Martian the MC was complaining about the lack of a human touch.
>>219205877I'm happily skipping both, thanks
>>219205900He will science the heck out of that problem too, don't worryGosh, I love science!
>>219198613based ML chad
>>219205877>Didn't know space existed. Went to space anyways to save their planet.They knew space existed, they just didn't know the rules of it, like how time starts to dilate once you've reached the speed of light. In the book it's made clear that Eridians have a literal elevator to space on their planet.
>>219205728>When science becomes your ultimate lens from which you draw reality, it's like a sort of maiming, you become incompleteYou imply as though there’s a better alternative. There isn’t. This is where you lose me. It comes across as cope. Or denial.
>>219204675This
Science won the epistemological war. Natural philosophy won. Atheism, however, is blind to its own hypocrisies and ironies.
>>219205998>dilategood advice
>>219205728>but people who think science is everything are just blind retards who are more susceptible to propaganda than they believe they areYou’re failing to do the necessary nuance here. There -is- science to everything, if anything exists at all, but, the road to this assessment can be hijacked. The Science™ is not science. Half of the scientific community can’t even tell you what a woman is. It’s a cult. It has become its own religion. It has strict dogma. It ostracizes. But to pretend there isn’t science to everything is to fall prey to the flaunted mistake of politicized, propagandized science, which is to make it The Authority. Well, the most ingenious scientists of all time were 1) Religious people, and 2) Dissenters and heretics.
The karaoke scene with the German science woman singing was ubercringe.
>>219206033Of course I'm implying there is an alternative. Anon asked what was my philosophy, to which I replied that I'm Catholic. And I love science because I'm a Catholic, not the other way around. Which means that nothing exists outside moral subordination to it, which is called by some the mother of all sciences. Some people think of the Renaissance as some kind of defeat of religion, when in reality it was Christian scholasticism that brought it about and the only problem is that knowledge became untethered from the rudder of religion. So a very natural consequence of this many years later was nihilism, once religious mores were sufficiently eroded, and this is very evidently expressed in the current scientific world through stuff like the replication crisis or the perpetual reinterpretation of quantum models and such. This idea that science is all there is is simply a fantastical notion which doesn't reflect actual human experience, the restrictions we impose on ourselves for various reasons or even the existence of stuff like poetry. G.K. Chesterton is more correct about reality than Steven Hawking.
>>219180541Poor design of instrumentation, ie presenting noise as useful data. Common amongst stupid engineers.
>>219179715Reddit is our friend and ally
>>219206161I understand that. And for what its worth, I do think you're right. Obviously there is no opposition at all to actual science. But in the absence of something higher to steer it, it simply becomes something convenient and propagandistic, something that only seeks novelty, fame or profit instead of the actual truth. Our current mainstream iteration of what "science" is doesn't tell you that the world is something enchanted, it simply explains the material, with varying degrees of accuracy.
>>219206033>You imply as though there’s a better alternative. There isn’t.Its not either or. The scientific method is one tool of many.
>>219206228wasn't in the book.I kinda liked it though because it humanized her, then she cut the song sort with "ok, that's enough". Like she has to stop being human and be a cold hearted bitch to save Earth now. In my movie head canon that was the last time she sang in the 11+ years until the Beatles came back.
>>219205998And it doesn't make sense whatsoever
>>219202610There have actually been studies done on this. Women sabotage each other by recommending that other women of similar attractiveness to themselves do things to reduce their attractiveness to men such as cutting their hair short. This behavior is not shown when there is already a significant gap in attractiveness.
>>219204422>Christians hate when you call God an alien.We hate it because its an ignorant misrepresentation of theology. An Aristotelean prime mover, for example, is not an "alien" in any meaningful way. There is a reason the New Atheists like Dawkins liked debating Pastor Jimbob about 7-day creationism but are rarely seen having a serious conversation with a Neo-Platonist or Jesuit.
>>219206507The "ugly fat friend" trope exists for a reason. The ugly friend will always try to sabotage the pretty friend when a guy tries to approach her.
>>219206267>Of course I'm implying there is an alternative. Anon asked what was my philosophy, to which I replied that I'm CatholicI’d argue that theist philosophy is more so about soft, artistic, soulful description rather than definition. Science is all about hard definition, often to the point of soulessness. “The trait of Cain” = the PsychopathYou just use different words to describe the same things, as >>219204422 pointed out. You use a story to describe nature, existence, etc. So does physics. Causality. Etc. The Big Bang is a cosmic legend. But science as a philosophy is extremely basic. Nature is reality is existence. That is basically it. It doesn’t pretend it will be able to solve everything, either. Just that nature is nature. Things Happen. Even a Christian will agree that God did a Thing. Anyway. If someone doesn’t treat nature or science as divine or magical, then they don’t actually respect nature or science, do they? Existence is certainly Godlike. But in the epistemological sense there is no better alternative than science, which is just poking at stuff, in essence.
>>219202610shorter hair is cuter for some women
>>219206613Is it external to our terrestrial sphere? It’s an extraterrestrial. Is it external to our perceived dimension? Then it’s an extra-dimensional. God is this. He predates his own creation and is vastly bigger than it. He cannot fit into it. This is why Jesus is his three dimensional incarnation. This is why the ‘holy spirit’ is the equivalent of his fingertip merely grazing into the picture. The Trinity is basically a metaphor for a higher dimensional being looking at his own work.
>>219204224It's actual science, not "transwomen are real women" science so it's not as cringe
>>219205989>>219198613If Yuuko was in PHM the story would have been over before The Goose even showed up. We'd probably all be dead, but she'd solve it singlehandedly
>>219179715Seethe cope dialate
>>219206786>dimensionI do not think you know what this word means.
>>219206385Science is so ambient it’s basically THE method, you fool.Science is a few things:1. Knowledge (this is where the word comes from) to be acquired and information that can be applied (technology, chemistry, cooking, etc, are all applied sciences)2. The method of “fuck around and find out” (causality/repeatability as it is - with the additional nuances of the reproducibility crisis - each stroke of a paint brush won’t be exactly the same - things like the big bang already happened - etc) which is the bare minimum of science - “remember kids, the only real difference between proper science and fucking around is writing is down”3. The scientific community and overall consensus, peer review, scientific dogma (consider that half of the scientific community can’t even tell you what a woman is - it is perhaps a borderline cult at present), etc, that ostracizes dissent and divergent thinking 4. Physics, nature, reality, as it is - Einstein himself did not see science as merely something to apply in the one sided sense; he saw it as a background symphony, playing its cosmic tune independently of our ability to listen in; it lies in wait for all time; “the music of the spheres”; he directly compared it to Mozart “locating” already existent beauty, or harmony, while people like Beethoven merely constructed their music Any questions?
>>219206752She looks good with both but I'd prefer her with long hair. Short is only a short time novelty it feels like, and only when it looks good on the girl. Like, id date a cute girl with short hair but I would immediately pester her about growing her hair back out and then want her to keep it long. Just the way it goes, long hair is cute and visually stimulating
>>219179688Glad they didn't go CGI with Rocky.
>>219206849You definitely don’t.
>>219206849So you think God is three-dimensional? He couldn’t be. Funny how you limit your own God, and project on to him, by going and assuming he’s Just Like Me :)God wouldn’t even consider Himself a God the same way Christians do. Would His miracles be miraculous to Himself? Is a human a god to an ant? Only in relative terms.
>>219206932He never said this and you sound like you REALLY want to fedora tip rn
>>219206890>>219206932"Dimension" is second only to quantum mechanics in the amount of inane comic book bullshit people spout.
>>219206721>I’d argue that theist philosophy is more so about soft, artistic, soulful description rather than definition.I tend to agree. The point isn't to translate everything into studiable chunks of evidence. In the case of Christianity, it is merely concerned with laying a foundational ground to reality (God the Creator of all things) and then the moral revelations, which may have evolved over time.Religion certainly doesn't substitute science because it doesn't need to. But science in many ways believes to be some kind of successor to it, which is extremely odd and at the very least very poor philosophy.>But science as a philosophy is extremely basic.That's the point. Science isn't a philosophy, it is merely an empiric model that is (hopefully) based on the scientific model. This isn't philosophy at all.>It doesn’t pretend it will be able to solve everything, either.This is where I will disagree. We see a lot of abuses to empiricism and materialism precisely using science as a foundation, as a sort of counterfeit theology with ever-changing belief systems and dogmas.>Anyway. If someone doesn’t treat nature or science as divine or magical, then they don’t actually respect nature or science, do they? Existence is certainly Godlike. I'm not quite sure what you mean. If you're saying that science, in it's most benign aspect is something enchanted and very precious, yes, I obviously agree with that statement. But this idea that creation is the ultimate end and not subordinate to higher goods seems to me very illogical. I don't mean to put words in your mouth here.
>>219206862The funny thing is that I agree with most of what your saying. The issue is the the word "science" has essentially degenerated to the point of being useless. This allows many of the idiots you allude to to hide behind "science." We aught to go back to Philosophy/Natural Philosophy and a few other meaningful descriptions of various arts.
Do Eridians have the Jews?
>>219207190>That's the point. Science isn't a philosophy, it is merely an empiric model that is (hopefully) based on the scientific model. This isn't philosophy at all.Science HAS a (natural) philosophy. You can’t actually remove philosophy from it. Physicists are taking philosophical positions whenever they do a theoretical or hypothetical.
>>219179688This lil nigga done saved cinema
>>219207276>Science HAS a (natural) philosophy.To a point. And in a very limited scope. And naturally subordinated to higher morals good which are not the object of science, namely truth, which in my own cosmological understanding is the domain of theology. Truth precedes science, not the other way around.
>>219207190There is no such thing as philosophy-free science. You cannot do science without an underlying philosophy. A scientist is also a philosopher, whether they want to accept it or not. Science alone doesn’t tell us anything; for example, physics does not say that reality is physical — that’s the job of metaphysics (for all we know we’re brains in a jar and our idea of physical is a constructed illusion different from whatever is outside the jar), in a way. The reason is that science is based on philosophical (metaphysical, epistemological and ethical) assumptions that science itself cannot prove outside of its/our horizons (beyond the basest idea of Shit Happens—and I’d assume even the thing responsible for putting our brains in jars still Happened / Did It). It presupposes the existence of a natural, orderly and consistent world independent from our minds that can be known through sensory experience, observation and evidence. Thus, modern science constitutes a school of thought in its own right, much like Platonism. In this sense, science still is “natural philosophy"; it is an applied form of philosophy, based on observation and experimentation.Science IS a school of thought. Perhaps the most base form of thought. Doing any given thing is/has science.
>>219207377>To a point. And in a very limited scopeIt’s arguably the least limited thing we’ve come up with. It’s also unavoidable. Even if you deny doing science, you’re still doing science, by denying it. There is science to denial. :^)What’s limited is our ability to science, not science itself. Sort of like how the supernatural doesn’t really exist — it’s just unfamiliar nature. God is definitely familiar (not supernatural) to himself. It’s all relative.
>>219207276>Science HAS a (natural) philosophy.From a historical point of view, that philosophy is that the universe is both rational and intelligible. There was no particular reason to believe this (even if it seems to have borne out over the subsequent centuries); it was played with by the Greeks and systemized by the Christian philosophers and institutions of the Medieval era. Oriental philosophies, for instance, do not always assert this point. Even today the question of WHY mathematics works and describes the universe so well is met with "beats me" from any honest intellectual.
>>219207228The word has been hijacked. I don’t disagree there. True science is unsafe, cutting edge, dissenting science. Safe science stifles and is uncreative and has this obsession with excellence and peer review. The dark side of excellence isn’t truly excellent, as it punishes divergence. Had Einstein and Feynman been alive in present today, they wouldn’t be allowed to get anywhere. It’s sad.
>>219207582>that philosophy is that the universe is both rational and intelligibleIf existence exists at all, it implies a sort of equilibrium. That’s logical. Intelligible.
>>219207438>There is no such thing as philosophy-free science.That is usually the problem, yes.>A scientist is also a philosopher, whether they want to accept it or not.It is usually said that scientists are pretty lousy philosophers. But they're even worse theologians.>Science alone doesn’t tell us anythingAgain, that is also the problem. As a way to understand the world, it is supremely incomplete.>Thus, modern science constitutes a school of thought in its own right, much like Platonism.Plato would never consider himself a scientist, because he wasn't concerned solely with the material. And much of his work centred around figuring out the metaphysical and the virtues that emanated from it. His work also has a political dimension which I very much struggle to see it as some kind of scientific expression.Again, science if fine. But this idea that everything is reducible to science is farcical and does not describe actual reality.
>>219207588Have you read "How to defend society against science" by Paul Feyerabend? Amusing read. PDF: https://cqi.inf.usi.ch/qic/feyerabend-defend.pdf
>>219206482Neither does a talking rock alien you retard
>>219207671>If existence exists at allThis is the sort of bs folks say without believing>it implies a sort of equilibriumand is completely at odds with our current understanding of cosmology. >That’s logical. Intelligible.So, no.
>>219207715>Plato would never consider himself a scientistIrrelevant. Platonism is a philosophical school of thought, just like natural philosophy is. Philosophy really is at the end of the day just the sufficient (even dangerous) pondering of life. From the natural philosopher’s point of view, Platonic ideals/concepts would be perfectly natural, since they exist. The symbol of Cat that shines down every single instance of a cat throughout history is a perfectly natural thing.
>>219207792>and is completely at odds with our current understanding of cosmology. It’s not. If there was no equilibrium then existence wouldn’t be here at all. Clearly there is balance afoot. Equilibrium is the only true balance there is. Equality exists nowhere else in nature.
>>219206872I like to run my hand through a girl's long silky hair. smells good toofor some girls it's just perfect though
>>219207517>What’s limited is our ability to science, not science itself.I find this notion of scientific apotheosis very tiresome. "Yeah, science isn't complete right now but just you wait until we have better hammers!!" It's nonsense. Science as it currently stands is simply an Ouroboros perpetually gnawing itself and in an eternal state of unknowing. Scientists can't even apply classical physics to certain regions of our galaxy because classical physics may not apply. So yes, it's kind of ironic that you describe science in terms of self-denial, though I would strongly disagree this is how science should be characterised. You simply and very tragically inherited the rotten fruits of nihilism and believe everything to be relative, which is very sad.
>>219204918making him a person of interest was the hail mary all along :)
>>219207266no they work as a hivemind when all coming together in a "thrum", there isn't a chance for some outside group to break up their unity.
God and Platonism work well together. “Made in His Image” = God is Humanity
>>219207812It is relevant if you're trying to retrofit your own modern understanding of science unto Plato. I can more or less understand what you're trying to do because Plato was specifically looking for "oneness" in all things, but this wouldn't apply to many other classic philosophers. I find it very odd this very modern notion of having to subordinate everything to science, it's supremely illogical.
>>219207853>"Yeah, science isn't complete right now but just you wait until we have better hammers!!"And? I’m of the opinion that humanity is meant to be limited. Our science will be limited. Even at our most advanced. Who knows when that will be.There’s just no way human science will ever be anywhere near God’s own. God might be physics itself—physics as we know it might just be a sliver of God. You just don’t know.
>>219207929>I find it very odd this very modern notion of having to subordinate everything to science, it's supremely illogical.That you’re interpreting it this way says a lot about you. Science is subordinate to God, if you assume God is responsible for science as we know it.
>>219207956I respect your honestly in conceding the point. Yes, humanity and human tools will always be limited. But that only means that, in your view, we'll always live in a sort of probabilistic state of unknowing, which is utterly depressing. Like never knowing whether or not Afroman is fucking your wife.But with stuff like Christianity, you have intellectual certainty about some very core cosmological principles: God exists, He cares, He has moral expectations of you with which He ordered the natural world.
did anyone else notice the continuity errors? >when he wakes up he does some quick math and figures out he has been asleep for 130 yrs (everyone he knew on earth would be dead at this point) >the computer states sending a message to earth from his current location will take 11 light years. this implies the ship travels slower than the speed of light. >the probes with he bacterial culture only need 4 yrs to make it back to Earth, not 130 yrs? what do the probes have FLT travel but not the ship he was in?>the probes make back to Earth and that bitch is still alive on the boat (implied it has only been 30 yrs on Earth since the ice age started)??dumb fuck narrator states rock people don't understand relativity but clearly the author doesn't either
>>219208010I'm sorry if I'm being uncharitable, but I've exchanged a number of replies with other anons, some of them saying that science is relative. So I unintentionally put words in your mouth, for which I sincerely apologise.
>>219208010so god's power continually declines as scientific understanding progresses. see where this is going?
>>219208207What.
>>219185878could have been the all the "fist my hole" jokes
>>219207916All the classic philosophers had to be cleansed by the scholastics. So in a sense, it is Christianity that informs Plato, it isn't Plato that informs Christianity. God could never be humanity and I don't think even Plato would make that argument.
>>219208228>god made all the animals in one day, it says right here in my holy book>overwhelming evidence shows evolution is correct >ok actually god did evolution
>>219208343If this is the kind of low resolution understanding of Christianity you're arguing against, then sure. But if you think this is actually representative of Christianity, then I can assure you that is just a strawman.
>>219208392strawman? that what your christopher langan quote you posted says. unless you'd like to elaborate.
>>219208486I wasn't the one who posted that image. But I don't think that it means that science is diminishing religion.
>>219197897Her accent is hot and she's very charismatic, plus I think she's pretty in an understated sort of way. Completely unbogged as well
>>219208581well i replied to the poster who posted the image....>>219208010 so maybe you should pay attention before throwing out the "strawman" defense
>>219208776Yeah, you're right. Sorry.
>>219208199>some of them saying that science is relativeThe science of the future would be magic to those from the past. Nothing wrong with that.
>>219208835thank you, now let me tell you why your world views are wrong.gods were originally invented to explain the natural worlds. why did the flood happen? why did this volcano erupt? well obviously the god of the sea and the god of the sky and the god of the earth willed it for whatever reason. made sense to our ancestors who didnt have the scientific literacy to understand weather phenomena and plate tectonics, etc. etc. now that we know more, god is no longer invoked to explain all the things it used to explain and the list is shortening every century. from evolution of species, to the origin of the solar system, no longer requires a supernatural entity to intervene. yes it is all very explainable by our understanding of natural laws. now the last bastion of god, did he make the laws? did he start the big bang? who knows. but one day we might know and then he wont be needed for that either.
>>219208207No? It means God’s plan is a lot more complex and has a lot more nuance than a simple storybook can explain.
>>219209171the storybook is literally the word of god himself and to question that is heresy
>>219179688Dogshit film>>219179715This
>>219209253Very pseud post
>>219209200Do you really, REALLY think that God would be impressed if a Christian walked up to Him and proudly said they take everything in the Bible at face value?God would be disappointed. You’re also accusing God of being an idiot, if you think He’d approve of the Bible as anything other than metaphor.
>>219209065That explains a natural progression, not relativism. It doesn't address the core of my problem.
>>219209385your personal view of god does not reflect the world view of billions of people who in fact DO take their various holy books at face value and have in the past, present, and probably future will kill to defend that interpretation either way it doesnt change the fact that the the story book tries to explain things that science answers more accurately. and by your own admission of a "story book", ultimately religion's value will diminish in this regard
>>219209127Holy midwit alert! What is going on in this joint? Redditfest?Yes paganism/polytheism is wrong and retarded. This is why non-polytheistic philosophy became dominant in Pax Romana. Obviously natural phenomena themselves are not divine. This is one of the core Christian concepts that resulted in the proliferation of the scientific method.For the scientific method and empiricism to work at all however, you must make a few assumptions which it relies on. For example, consistent, unchanging laws of physics, logic, mathematics, etc. Objectively, strict materialism/naturalism is wrong. Non-material rules and systems of order must be ontologically prior to physical manifestations of matter, which means the realm of information or “the mind” is ontologically prior to physical/empirical processes. Obviously this necessitates that information/mind is prior to the material realm, and also that this information/mind is outside of/independent of the human mind (math, physics, logic all still apply whether humans are around or not). If you want to assume logic is a real, reliable, consistent thing external to us, you automatically admit and are forced to cede that a mind has ordered and governed this external world. >no it was just hecking random and just happened!A) completely arbitrary assertion B) makes trying to engage in any sort of debate or logical argumentation moot because these things themselves would then have no actual meaning or grounding and have no basis to be consistent at any given moment, so appealing to them becomes an exercise in absurdity.
>>219209451>That explains a natural progression, not relativismIt’s both. What is magical or miraculous is just the unfamiliar. Even God’s miracles are going to be familiar to God, just not us. What is magic to one is not going to be magic to another. That’s relative.
>>219209541Most humans are retarded. Oh well. Projecting on to God is a form of disrespect. If you assume God looks at himself the same way humans do, then you’re disrespecting God.
>>219209561>Yes paganism/polytheism is wrong and retarded.>But my desert jew tribe polythesim sacrifice cult is right and not retarded. I picked the right one! lol k bud
>>219209127I won't deny there is a component to animism to many religions, though certainly not all. Mohammedanism makes no supernatural claims, for example. Christianity, on the other hand, does and there seems to be a great number of supernatural phenomena surrounding the faith. It isn't a simple animistic interpretation of the world.Even if certain aspects of sacred history like the flood do indeed have natural explanations (and I'm certainly not in opposition to this), that would be perfectly acceptable under the Christian cosmology where God more or less preserves His anonymity through natural "coincidences".This is probably a bit of a tangent, but what you're describing through science is a process of disenchantment of the world, which I freely concede is something that is happening and is very tragic. And I can't imagine that that there won't be a kind of re-enchantment in the future if humanity is expected to survive. But I reject the notion that science in itself necessarily disenchants, this is more of a cultural phenomenon than something that is a natural consequence of the scientific process because I do not think that such a thing is inherently opposed to Christianity.
>>219209629>Projecting on to God is a form of disrespect.isnt that what all religions do? "god made man in his image..." seems like a pretty arrogant projecting to me
>>219209659Not an argument nor did I even explicitly reference Christianity outside of its theology/philosophy having a direct connection to the foundation of the modern concept of empirical study and scientific experimentation, which is just historical fact. LARPagans are all kikes or mentally ill cringelords.
>>219209680“Made in his image” could mean literally anything. For all we know humans are MEANT to be retarded.
>>219209705thats for sure lol
>>219209680Obviously if humans are the product of a given creator, then the human experience and mind would reflect imposed attributes from this creator. It’s just basically logical. Why would the creation of a creator have to have zero connection or reflection of the creator? This does not follow.
>>219209680This isolating train of thought is seen everywhere. Even the belief in aliens. “Alien life exists. The odds are just too good! But they’d never be able to come here. Nope. Earth is off limits to aliens. Too bad!”Humans want to see themselves as truly special.
>>219209765>if humans are the product of a given creatorthats a pretty big assumption
>>219209817All worldview is based on assumption. But trying to argue in this particular case that it doesn’t make sense for humans to reflect their creator doesn’t have any logical basis.
Humans could be pathetic degenerative kin of a much more advanced species of human that think collectively (“god”) and we’d just never know lul
>>219209765> then the human experience and mind would reflect imposed attributes from this creator“I want to make them miserable”
>>219209864does the intestinal parasite reflect its creator?
>>219209933Humans are parasites. Yes.
>>219209680>*tips fedora*
>>219210003*tips forskin*
>>219209897If you’re going off of Christian theology, one of the fundamental points of the idea that humans are uniquely made in the image of God is that they have their own will like God does which is the foundation of human consciousness. Humans following their own will against God’s will is described as the source of human misery and suffering, which is why God reached out to us and provided revelation so that we could know what His will is and differentiate it from our own.>>219209933Of course. All of creation is based on mathematical, physical, biological etc laws, in essence a system of balance and order. Funnily enough, the idea of randomness and chaos is itself not something native to the universe around us but specifically to the finite nature of the human mind and the fact that human will is uniquely separate from the rigid system of order governing material existence.
>>219210036>All of creation is based on mathematical, physical, biological etc laws, in essence a system of balance and order.then you dont need god. >but but who created the laws and kicked it all off? see >>219209127
>>219210010Does tickling your penis flap give you reddit updoots when you post about it there?
>>219210073>then you dont need god.You can call it whatever you want, but if you want to treat these laws and systems as real and reliable, which you must if you rely on systems like science, then yes you must provide an account for why they are reliable and not arbitrary. If you want to just assert that they arbitrarily exit for no particular reason, then it does not logically follow that you’d accept them as immutable laws that can be relied on.
>>219210109it gives me pleasure that you literally cannot even conceive of because you sacrificed your nerve endings to the jewish god. hope it was worth
>>219210036God’s will is entirely subjective and it has been abused in the past.Just live your life well, and without hurting others; and have the foresight to know when even kindness is wrong (being self sufficient, and having accountability, is what God would want).
>>219210127>then yes you must provide an account for why they are reliable and not arbitrary.that is the goal of both science and religion. i just think one of those will get to a more credible answer eventually
>>219210145That didn't happen but I'm flattered you're so concerned about my cock. That said, reddit or maybe /lgbt/ might be more your speed.
>>219210238no i think i'll stay. next!
>>219202005It's the same list of mars movies that aren't shit
>>219209253trvke
>>219210167>God’s will is entirely subjectiveHuman opinions of it are, but God’s will is objective, just as logic is. He created the world via Logos/Logic.>>219210191I don’t think you understand. Science does not work without assuming what God could provide. They are intrinsically linked. If science is reliable and gives us true information, it must be grounded in a metaphysical/non empirical system that is true and reliable and not arbitrary. Science is explicitly empirical and deals with physical observation and experimentation, it cannot by its very definition ever prove what is non-physical such as logic as the assumption of things like logic it relies on in order to function in the first place.
>>219210266Well you've got good company, half the board are dick-obsessed cocksucking faggot redditors.
>>219210310then leave
>>219210294>Science does not work without assuming what God could providedo you have a single snack to back that up?
>>219210469>science only works if the logical principles it relies on are real and true>logical principles themselves are non-material and cannot be empirically tested, they are assumed >if you accept science as reliable for generating truth about the world, then you must also accept its assumption of the non-physical logical principles it relies on >if you accept this assumption you must account for how it is the case>you cannot account for how non-material, metaphysical rules govern the reality that science seeks to understand without accepting a pre eminent mind/information which structures these things with intention/purpose >if there is no mind with intention/purpose then there is no reason for these laws to be seen as such and the basic reasoning for why science is successful falls apart
>>219210294>Human opinions of it are, but God’s will is objective, just as logic is. He created the world via Logos/Logic.Sure. Except humans are the ones to parse it, and humans are prone to error. God’s logic has been warped by man.
>>219210685Humans are prone to error but they are still capable of logic/rationality. Hence the purpose for logical debate and discussion, to derive what is true and objective apart from human error through consensus and reasoning. The Christian Church achieved this in Antiquity, at arguably the height of philosophical education, and hence it became the Roman state religion. It is still possible to come to this objective truth through logical argumentation.
>>219210636>you cannot account for how non-material, metaphysical rules govern the reality that science seeks to understand without accepting a pre eminent mind/information which structures these things with intention/purposethis is your proof of god? i see no reason why arbitrary conditions kicked off at the big bang couldn't produce the same results
>>219210976The point is that the extraordinary success of science and its methods is itself evidence that reality is stable, intelligible, and governed by rationally apprehensible order. Those features are not explained by science, but presupposed by it. They make far better sense according to the logic that science itself relies on to function if the universe is grounded in a rational governing principle/mind rather than in blind, purposeless matter alone. Assuming the latter and arbitrary conditions being a cause is fundamentally illogical according to the logic which science uses, which thus makes appealing to science itself while assuming its foundations to be arbitrary a complete contradiction.
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