lol!
I want to put my penis inside that woman's vagina if you know what I mean
>consooming capeshityeah I'd say they're both objective media illiterate
>>219216000>after watching The Boys, was Homelander a good guy or bad guy?Your response, /tv/?
>>219216000I'd lie just to fuck her and then tell her she was wrong and then fuck her again because women love manipulative liars
>>219216055Yeah, Rajeesh we get it.
Uh. He wasn't the bad guy either. What a dumb comic.
>>219216166The left can only see the world in black and white.
>>219216195says the retard who only sees things in left and right.
>>219216000sex with therapist
>he fought crime but he was like, weird
>>219216132I didn't watch that shit
killing child raping murderers bad?
Ozymidas is definately the bad guy.Rorschach wanted to stop or expose Ozymidas at the cost if his own life.That makes him the good guy.
>>219216132I'm not gonna watch The Boys
>>219216236nuhuh, I'm a centrist.
>>219216132Turns out Garth Ennis was the bad guy all along.
>>219216195Not quite, they can only perceive themselves as white and everyone else as black while lying how they only see grey. They also believe that everybody is the same as them and it's just everybody lying to each other in some bizarre social game because low functioning sociopaths can't simulate a mind more complex than their own, if at all.
>>219216000The girl, BBC, nuff said.
>>219216430black and white thinking is a personality issue not a political one, if you think one side is exclusively guilty of it you're a partisan brained hack retard who's probably also mentally ill
>>219216132I asked my last girlfriend who her favorite superhero wasShe said the guy with the laser eyesI say Cyclops?She says noI say Oh - Homelander!months later I realize it explains why she was dating a 4channer
>>219216000>You're not allowed kill someone who rapes and kills children you're a bad personLOL
a bad guy trying to do good things
>>219216685>black and white thinking is a personality issue not a political oneit's definitely exacerbated by politics though since you only have 2 parties with any kind of power
>>219216803you are only allowed to kill somebody if you catch them in the act and can save another life at a moments notice. for everything else there is the courts and the police. this is not a difficult concept.vigilante justice is illegal for a reason, otherwise gang niggers will sprinkle child porn pictures on eachother and call their shootings justice
>>219216919even liberal democracies with a parliamentary system and 7 different parties suffer from the same problem.the issue rests with how we approach dialogue and debate with eachother, not what we vote for once a year.
>postmodernism unironically loops around back into babyish good vs. evil binarymakes you think
>>219216994C.S. Lewis predicted this in The Abolition of Man.
>>219216994every living ideology needs tangible actions their acolytes can take. postmodernism just atomizes everything into nothing. it was inevitable that they would eventually loop back to us vs them
>>219216960Why is vigilante justice bad
>>219216000>le epic morally gray character can’t be the good guy and you’re media illiterate if you disagree memeIs this some kind of meta joke? You’d have to be philosophically illiterate to think this shittily drawn comic is accurate or meaningful.
>>219216000The author of this comic not knowing what an antihero is is the real media illiteracy.
>>219217135Makes the state look bad.
Bait thread, but why was Rorschach the bad guy?Sure, he killed criminals, but that was mostly a circumstance of how utterly fucked up that world was. Criminals, despite how many super heroes were running around, were running rampant. There were a billion times more of them then there were heroes. And the Criminals were getting more and more brazen. It's part of the reason why Ozymandias does what he does.I know the author says, "but his unbending attitude is bad and he is stupid"But why? Why is that bad? He was the only hero who unceasingly stood against corruption and evil. He never bent and died for the exact things he stood for.
>>219216000>durr you weren’t supposed to root for himDamn the writers really fucked up by making him based, then, not my problem though
>>219216430>low functioning sociopaths can't simulate a mind more complex than their ownDon't think anyone can
>>219216324>the man who saved the world from nuclear extinction is the bad guyof course
>>219217170But WHY is that bad
>>219217203He did nothing of the kind.
>>219217135I already told you, because people will act in the heat of the moment and pretend to be on the side of the law, frame their convenient victims with some le bad crime and pretend its justice.someone who judges and punishes you should always be dispassionate and have no personal relationship towards you. taking the time to look at all the facts at hand, and sentence you according to the law of the land. otherwise the justice system turns real ugly quickly
>>219216000There's a same test for women; Boromir.A lot of psycho cunts out there celebrate his death.
>>219217302>I already told you, because people will act in the heat of the moment and pretend to be on the side of the law, frame their convenient victims with some le bad crime and pretend its justice.And the State has never done that?
>>219217302>the side of the lawWhy are you saying that as if the law itself is an untrammeled good?
>>219216988yeah...the days of cold war bipartisanship are a distant thing of the past
>>219217278It's bad for the State
>>219216000>the guy who tried to stop the mass murdering libtard was a bad guylibtards drew this comic
>>219217302You didn't tell WHY it is bad, you're just saying it's bad because it's bad in an elaborate wayWHY IS THAT BAD ON A MORAL LEVEL
>>219217135>why is a group of enraged individuals acting on pure emotion and potentially faulty information bad
>>219217135>your ex wife is mad at you for cheating with the office ho>she divorces and spreads the rumor that you sexually abused your children>she has a picture from the family album where you bathe your toddler daughter as "proof">your brother in law, enraged by this news, kicks your door in and shoots you dead>he gets hailed a hero for being a vigilante who killed a pedovigilante justice is le good!
>>219217381he wasn't a libtard, he was a utilitarian
>>219216055You'll get a paper cut
>>219217409>>219217420Yes, morally why is it bad, you people just keeping saying it's bad because it's bad in a longer form
>>219217400because justice is a group effort, not a personal action. a single person (you) making the call is always in grave danger of making a mistake
>>219217409You just described the police. Except the police enjoy the benefit of the legitimacy of the state. Legitimacy based on the idea that the state is somehow accountable to the people. By way of democracy.Have the people ever gotten what they thought they were voting for?
>>219217420Did something like this ever happen though?
>>219217510>Have the people ever gotten what they thought they were voting for?once, in germany in 1933
>>219217135how do you know it’s good action?People like the show Dexter only because we get to see him and his process and that the people he targets are confirmed as guilty.In real life you wouldn’t know that. Youd have no assurances he wasn’t killing innocent people
>>219217486So if a group of people do the vigilante justice for instance the local towns people then it's okay?
>>219217523>has a mans life and reputation ever been ruined by a woman?
>>219217548
>>219217553I never assumed that it's good, the preface given was that it was bad, so I questioned why is it bad, please keep up
>>219216132>after watching The Boyslol
>>219217510a police will shoot someone they deem a threata vigilante, in this case Rorschach, will kill them regardless if they pose as a direct threat or not
>>219217510then what's your alternative?
>>219217589the only times that have happened have been when the husband/man was proven to actually be doing some really bad stuffthe court always favors the man in all other cases
>>219217589The scenario posted you daft frog cunt. Has that scenario ever occured roughly that we know of?
>>219217548People voted for 50 million white people to die a decade later? Fucking BASED
>>219217548actually false, the nazi party was a small party only managing to scrape up the bare minimum of votes for representation
>>219216000Roscharch is cooler in the movie.
>>219216132>>after watching The Boys
>>219217555even a small group community can dish out justice in an orderly fashion. they still act according to their own rules, laws, traditions and rituals and know better than to drag somebody out of their bed and shoot them dead in the heat of the moment.
>>219216000Good potential as a reaction pic
>>219217639Anarchy. Anarchy is what's already happening, so just stop pretending we're doing anything else. Stop granting anyone authority over anyone else, because no one will ever deserve that authority.
>>219217135The average person would claim that vigilante justice is only bad when the vigilantes are right wing. Luigi, for example, is heralded as a hero by the modern left and they actively call for violence against political opponents and organizations like ICE.
>>219217790>Anarchy is what's already happeningno anon...no it's not. i suggest you stop getting all your news from /pol/
>>219216000I mean bad guy/good guy as a synonym for antagonist/protagonist? Obviously Rorschach is a protagonist. He tries to stop mass murder as well. What does he do that makes him the bad guy anyways? Try to reveal the truth? You can debate whether that’s a good thing or bad thing but it doesn’t suddenly make him the ”bad guy”Doesn’t this entire “Rorschach = bad” come from a posthoc Alan Moore interview anyways? Have you seen what Alan Moore looks like?
>>219217760You're going away from the morality of it again, as I keep saying I only want MORAL arguments for way not examples that are it's bad cause bad in longer formAs I countered if your contention is justice has to be a group effort then vigilante justice can still exist just in group form
>>219216000That's not a rorschach test
>>219217790>Anarchy. Anarchy is what's already happeningnigger stop talking out of your ass.the worst kind of state violence you ever experienced was getting a speeding ticket. you dont even realize how orderly, well functioning, peaceful and prosperous your current society even is.you have no comprehension of what anarchy even means and how bad things can get.
>>219217660>the court always favors the man in all other casesSource?
>>219217881For why*
>>219217790How's the weather in somalia?
>>219216132I didn't watch le Boys because I am not safe edgy millenial loser.
>>219217881I believe you misunderstand what I meant by group effort, it doesnt mean more people need to be roaming the streets looking for pedos in order to be able to call it justice.I meant that the group as such has to make the judgement call of wether or not to punish a specific person and what that punishment should look like. we abstract this process by picking people to represent our collective interests in court (the judges and prosecution) to enforce agreed upon laws and deal with people who upset the societal order we all agreed upon.if the group is small enough and self-organized enough, there can be overlap between these people, but the underlying process, the concept of a trial, affording even criminals certain kinds of rights, and taking time to look at the case at hand, are still in effect.
>>219216236Nope, I see the world in left and normal people.
>>219216000It isn't that people think that Rorschach wasn't the bad guy that bothers me, but rather that they don't understand that you can watch/read a story and interpret a character's motivations differently from them without being stupid or ignorant.Thsi is one of the things about left wing pigs that bothers me far more than their absurd projects, the fact that they are themselves totally incapable of nuance. They are all like this, they make absurd claims to moral relativism while behaving as though their own beliefs are axiomatic, unassailable moral truths. If you disagree with the Left Wing Pig it is never because you interpret data differently, it is either because you are stupid or because you are evil.This is very funny given that the history of the grand left wing project is one humiliating failure after another. Even its founding conceit, the French Revolution, ended in hilarious humiliating disaster. Mass murder of le porcie leading directly into a totalitarian autocratic imperial dictatorship with more power and militaristic ambition than the Anciens Regime had ever had, resulting in a multi-continental series of wars, the literal decimation of the French male population, the systematic obliteration of all of France's ethnic minority cultures and languages besides the Parisian French, and the establishment of one of the world's most expansionist Colonial powers which would terrorize their pet brown people for the next 200 years and counting.Leftists are the stupidest and most incompetent people on the fucking planet, and they ACT as though disagreeing with them makes you dumb--when in fact, you can usually determine the smart course of action by asking a Leftoid what you should do and then doing the opposite.
>>219217919https://massfamily.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/ChildCustodyOutcomes-FINAL.pdf
>>219217203>saved the world from nuclear extinctionUh-huh...may I see it?
>>219217841Excellent argument. What was your favorite show trial of the last decade?>>219217896There's a difference between peace and pacification. You think you're safe from persecution because some people in some suits wrote 'thou shalt not persecute people' on some fucking paper. Laws don't matter, enforcement matters. For the most part, the only reason the state is not currently shooting you is because you're not worth the cost of a single bullet. Or, rather, because you're slightly useful as a mouthpiece of the power structure. You'll argue their case for them. Like you're doing right now.
>>219218215>they don't understand that you can watch/read a story and interpret a character's motivations differently from them without being stupid or ignorant.This is a post modernist opinion. You're a destructive idiot.
>>219218160>we abstract this process by picking people to represent our collective interests in court (the judges and prosecution) to enforce agreed upon laws and deal with people who upset the societal order we all agreed upon.So what your argument boils down to is that because people agreed upon this system it's right, so then vigilantism is okay as long as people decide so, so you're just appealing to the majority as your sense of morality, got it, your morals are entirely subjective based on popular consensus meaning vigilantism is no less moral than the current system nor is any crime inherently immoral because you believe in subjective morality
>>219218250What a relief, lying whores only get believed 60% of the time.
>>21921846630%*
>>219218333not all truth is valuable or constructive.it can be true that your wife is getting old and bloated, but there is no use in speaking it out. in fact, it will only making everything worse.rorschach never understood that
>>219218325>Excellent argumentlike you have one? loltoday is the greatest time to ever live in the history of humanity/civilization but you wouldn't know that if all you do is browse /pol/ all day and fill your head with cherrypicked negativity specifically designed to enrage you. are things perfect? no. they never are. but that doesn't mean it's fucking anarchy. like that other poster said: you have absolutely no idea how good you have it right now.
>>219217275Because state needs to have monopoly on violence. That is the only way you can effectively uphold law and order.Vigilante justice undermines this and frays the society piece by piece. Distrust in institutions invite chaos and violence.It is why current attacks on Police and ICE agents is the most braindead shit I have ever seen in my life. If you are a member of opposition party and participate in it, you actively undermine your own power.
>>219218495This man is a genius
>>219218435people acted out vigilante justice in pre-historic times, but there is a reason pretty much every society has moved away from this.abstracting the justice system into laws and building rituals of court and punishment around it is far more effective than neighbors killing eachother in blood feuds, even the romans understood this. its why they were obsessed with laws.and ofcourse there is no inherent morality in the universe. it only exists because we force it into existence, because we want it that way. its subject to people
>>219216000a good guy is in the eye of the beholder.
>>219218572>It is why current attacks on Police and ICE agents is the most braindead shit I have ever seen in my life.so what was J6 then?
>>219218642Yes you're a subjective morality believer therefore nothing is inherently immoral or moral, your morality is entirely derived from whatever system happened to exist where you live and what time period you lived in and you give no thought as to WHY something is good or bad in other words you're a sheep
>>219218368You don't know what that word means. There is nothing Postmodern about it, because the conflict of Watchmen isn't one of objective truth. I am asserting that the character being interpreted is nuanced in the story. Ozymandias cannot see the future, he predicts a nuclear war and then launches a massive terrorist attack to try and avoid it.Rorschach disagrees with Ozymandias because he had no actual evidence that there would be a nuclear war, he had essentially murdered millions of people on a hunch. And even if the hunch were correct, there was no way to be certain that this course of action would succeed in averting it.And in fact, we see decisive evidence that Rorschach was right. Ozymandias was capable of making mistakes. Manhattan outright TELLS HIM that his plan is going to fail and he CAN see the fucking future. And, we then see Rorschach's journal being sent to some journalist in the last frame of the goddamn comic. It isn't even Death of the Author--Moore consciously made the decision to show that Ozymandias had miscalculated multiple times.
>>219218531>doesn't mean it's fucking anarchyNo, it's worse than anarchy because everyone thinks the state will save them. They think there's accountability.Who watches the watchmen?
>>219216055What the fuck is an average?
>>219218215We're at the point right now where the loudest voices online use the language of 'media literacy' to rate something on what kind of propaganda and how effective it is as propaganda.
>>219218250Per your source, these are mostly appeal cases and are not representative of normal custody cases. Anymore 80 IQ feminist slop you wanna share?
>>219218250These are far better numbers than I expected.
>>219218774Attack on a government that allowed 6 months of Covid spread riots by marxist agitators, across 50 countries.It is exactly what I was talking about, a perfect example.
>>219218572>Because state needs to have monopoly on violence.But 99.9% of cases of vigilante justice is exactly because the state is ignoring its role
>>219218798>in other words you're a sheepin trust in the good judgement of my ancestors that they built a society that is in my own best interest. there's a reason things are the way they are. this isnt a conspiracy, it was thousands of years of trial and error to come up with this current system that works better than everything before.I dont need to re-invent the wheel. things are working fine.we are both sheep and unquestioningly trust other peoples and previous generations judgement a thousand times a day, why is law such a hot topic for you? why not questioning the process behind water treatment and canals? or building construction codes every time you enter a building? there are arbitrary as well, forged by trial and error. existing perfectly fine without your personal input.
>>219219005FUCK I had just gotten my hopes up.
>>219217409>individuals acting on pure emotion and potentially faulty informationWhy do you hate the seventh amendment?
>>219219134>ignoring its roleOr directly complicit in crime. Perhaps even solely responsible.
>>219216055>womanYou do realize that’s a troon right?
>>219216236this doesn't work when it is leftists making those comics and crying about media illiteracy
>>219219134Of course, that is what I mean. Vigilante justice exist when state doesn't fulfill its function AND doesn't protect its monopoly on violence.
>>219217662Look it up retard
>>219216132They were both good guys
>>219217135Justice is justice. In civil society is typically best to have justice done through a cautious system. In uncivil society we fall back to the laws of nature and vigilante justice often becomes just justice.
Joker was the good guy
>>219218215Napoleon was fairly left wing as an autocratic ruler. He made all French citizens equal in the eyes of the law and abolished special legal rights for nobles.
>>219219064why were they attacking trump's government?
>>219218884You're a reductive clown. Go read more marx, fool. We do not take kindly to your faggoty leftist beliefs here.
>>219219538>weyou do not fit in here
>>219219232why do you conjure up things i never said?>>219218930>No, it's worse than anarchysure whatever
>>219219301>that is what I meanit isn't thoughyour entire post was pretending that vigilante justice was a huge threat to the state when in reality it's something that almost only ever happens because the state is undermining its own legitimacy in the first place.
>>219219577>why do you conjure up things i never said?But you just said you hate the idea of low information retards acting on emotion.
>>219216000He's right.Movie Rorschach is indeed portrayed as a good guy by Snyder, or at least morally correct.Comic Rorschach is way different.
>>219218884>>219218215>words words wordsThe left truly cannot meme OR debate.
>>219219518Another thing that I already mentioned- there are no sides, government is government, no matter who currently leads it. Covid was a shittest almost all governments fumbled and it hurt them.I am sure anons from various countries have different stories, but very similar in a way - government breaking policies they themselves forced on people. Our PM was doing rounds around pubs he himself closed down and when caught he claimed that he doesn't spread Covid because he had 12 feet of ceiling above his head, keeping sport clubs open because of sponsorship contracts etc.
>>219216000>Person is short>"HE MUST BE EVIL" women probably
>>219217187it's not bad alan moore is continually mad that people like rosarch it's gotten to the point it's not even worth discussing (yet here i am doing that) i didn't read the comic but Rorsscach is the best one of the group this happens when liberals write people who are based it backfires, being unbending is good. kind of like how that german movie about hitler coming back makes him look bad ass kek. i'm not comparing the two but you catch my drift
>>219219592Hmm, then I probably don't see the disconnect between our viewpoints.If government undermines itself, vigilantes pop up, and when there is enough of them, you'll get shitholes like Afghanistan, or Ghana.
>>219217827And the constant refrain of "kill leftists reeeeeee day of the rope when" I see here every day is just satire right?
>>219217523the entire metoo movement dumbass
>>219220037Nope, fuck you.
>>219219518It was (and is) weak and corrupt, like the anon said
>>219218930>Who watches the watchmen?Coast Guard.
>>219220121Indeed. Floyd pandemic spread riots should have been brutally dispersed and every ringleader slammed with 30+ years sentences. It would make people less prone to doubting the entire thing.
>>219216000>using a fountain pen for anything that isn't calligraphyFucking poser
>>219220121>>219220238it's unusual how anyone could support such an administration, especially when it seems bought and paid for by AIPAC
