Lord of the rings

>>219254190
The Birth of OP by Blacked Studios

your life

Can we just admit that the story of LOTR is nothing amazing and it's mostly held in high regard for its influences and the fact that it was made by a person with credentials?

>any (((superhero))) movie
>any sci-fi
>any (((reditt))) favourite
>any Vietnam war movie (they die for no cause - their death is pointless)
>anything that's a dramat
>horroshit
>pseudo-documentaries
>etc.
Well what to watch then ?
True documentaries, nature, good comedies (do they even exist?). The Godfather is a good comedy - I laughed when Fredo died kek

>>219254190
Sauron was losing the war of the last alliance so bad that he had to personally fight to turn the tide of the battle and risk his life.

Sauron was winning the War of the Ring so handily he could have won it from his tower at barad Durr

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Autistic schizoid will repost a reddit repost for years now.

>>219254338
WE agreed on that years ago - even coming to conclusions harsher than this - only REDDIT TOURISTS here larp as anons and say otherwise.
But then again Shakspear is mid as well.

>>219254442
Reddit repost of 4chan .

>>219254442
Thread closed.
t./

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>>219254190
Elrond literally spells it out while staring directly into the camera.
>Men? Men are weak. The blood of Numenor is all but spent.
The 8 foot chads who managed to kill Sauron the first time are gone. They’re not around to get it done this time.

>>219254190
all the ultimate chads like fingolfin,feanor,gilgalad,elendil... are dead by the time of the war of the ring.
so sauron its pretty much unstoppable unless someone destroys the ring

>>219254533
>feanor
Nice try, kinslayer

>>219254190
The power that intially defeated Sauron (after he disintegrated their best two guys) doesn’t exist in middle-earth anymore. Sauron basically was going to win if Frodo didn’t destroy the ring in time, killing him. Sauron almost won without the ring.

>>219254190
>No-one can wear that ring! It will draw in the wraiths, give great power to the user, and corrupt them
>Gollum casually wears the ring for over 400 years without any huge incident

>>219254607
That’s cuz the ring didn’t want to be found yet and Sauron also hadn’t restored to his full power so he didn’t want to waste energy finding it yet

>>219254338
You think it is nothing amazing because it was the first and was always there. Lotr is like Mount Fuji. It is always in the background and because of that you take it for granted.
>>219254190
Errrm ackshually how come Germany became strong in 1939 again after we defeated them in WWI. Did the Director think we are stupid. Durrrrrrrr

>>219254605
Maybe it's better to give Sauron a shot at leadership then, if everyone else has dropped the ball so hard and the Elves are slinking away to another continent while everything slowly gets shittier. At least Sauron would build things and keep "magic" alive in some form.

>>219254607
Gollum never wore the ring (except for that one time), he just worshipped it

>>219255614
>Sauron would build things
evilcannotcreate.jpg

>>219255845
>constructs a set of super-powerful rings that dwarf anything humans, elves or dwarves have ever made
>builds an even better ring that can control all the others
>"errm akshully...."

it was meant to be a children's story that he would tell his son. Its not meant to be Dostoievski.
it became incredibly expansive because Tolkien was basically that autismo DM who needs to keep worldbuilding because the original story feels quite simplistic
(see: the Silmarilion)

>>219255845
not what was meant by the spirit of the quote. sauron "created" an enourmous, well-organised industrial state and army. he "created" the rings of power and the one ring. he was obsessed with ordering and "creating" systems under his control

>>219254190
It's not fucking rocket science. There used to be a lot of Elves and Numenoreans in Middle Earth. It took the two biggest gigachads of the second age to defeat Sauron the first time and it came at the cost of their lives. Now almost all of the Elves have sailed west and the Numenoreans are down to just a handful. Middle Earth just can't muster an army big enough or strong to challenge Sauron the way they did the first time around.

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>>219256087
He wouldn't make the rings without Celebrimbor though.
>>219254577
Feanaro is canonically THE ultimate chad.

>>219255689
>Gollum used to wear it at first, till it tired him; and then he kept it in a pouch next his skin, till it galled him; and now usually he hid it in a hole in the rock on his island, and was always going back to look at it. And still sometimes he put it on, when he could not bear to be parted from it any longer, or when he was very, very, hungry, and tired of fish. Then he would creep along dark passages looking for stray goblins. He might even venture into places where the torches were lit and made his eyes blink and smart; for he would be safe. Oh yes, quite safe. No one would see him, no one would notice him, till he had his fingers on their throat. Only a few hours ago he had worn it, and caught a small goblin-imp. How it squeaked!

>>219256400
>He wouldn't make the rings without Celebrimbor though.
He just used Celebrimbor because Celebrimbor was famous and well loved among Elves. The original 16 great Rings were originally supposed to go to Elf lords and it would've been easier to get them to accept if they were made by Celebrimbor. All of the knowledge of the craft came from Sauron, who also imbued those rings with a part of his own will. The only rings untouched by his corruption were the three Elven rings Celebrimbor made after Annatar went back to Mordor for a few hundred years to forge the One Ring.

>>219254417
>Wears the ring to make himself unstoppable in battle
>Still jobs hard
LOTR is Marvel-tier slop

>>219254190
>gets beaten ezpz
But he didn't though. He almost won.

>>219254442
now all we need is one of the pajeet engagement farmers to post it on /x/ then someone to post that on 4chan

>>219256570
The ring's purpose wasn't to make Sauron unstoppable in battle.
You are Marvel-slop tier.

>>219256570
>>Wears the ring to make himself unstoppable in battle
>>Still jobs hard
He lost (tied with) to Gil-Galad and Elendil and was essentially just waiting to respawn until Isildur cut the ring from his hand.

>>219256400
>He wouldn't make the rings without Celebrimbor though.
He literally made the one ring without him. He just Celebrimbor to add legitimacy so that people would trust that his rings were worth using (since he was an unknown nobody somehow making stupidly powerful magic rings that he was giving away)

>>219254190
>Let me use my hand with the ring on it to touch this human for no reason
>Surely my gauntlet will protect me from a broken sword

How stupid was he?

>>219256803
And Celebrimbor made three rings without him.
>>219256936
Sauron can burn people with his touch.

>>219256936
>>219256961
That was a movie only scene. In the books Sauron was already defeated by the time Isildur found the body of his father and the smouldering remains of Gil-Galad.

>>219256400
Sauron was one of Aule's maiar, he taught celebrimbor how to make the other rings, and because they came from the guy running Noldor-in-exile they would be accepted by the other factions easier than coming from some fucking guy who came out of the wilderness.
Celebrimbor was one of the greatest craftsmen of his age, and sauron used that to his advantage.

>>219257069
Not really a good look for Aulë when all of his Maiar keep turning evil.

>4 years presidency
>does nothing
>4 years later
>"If he gets the presidency he'll enact fascism"
???

I know this is a troll thread but fuck it I’ll always discuss LOTR.

In the War of the Last Alliance it wasn’t just Men and a few elves, it was the full strength of the Elves of the Second Age along with Men from Númenor, who were greater than normal Men. They built a massive army with literal anti-Orc weapons (Narsil for Elendil and Aeglos for Gil-Galad) and the siege of Mordor lasted like seven years. It was at the end that Sauron decided to deal with it himself, and even then he killed both leaders of the Elves and Men. It was when he destroyed Narsil he was knocked over and Isilidur made his move. It was complete chance. Also, not sure if it’s implied here, but in many cases in LOTR there’s the idea that Eru intervenes ever so subtlety when needed (see: Gollum tripping into Mount Doom)

>>219256610
>essentially just waiting to respawn until Isildur cut the ring from his hand.
He doesn't actually NEED the ring. When he started the war in the first place instead of heading back west for judgement he lost the ability to take on a fair form. But because he had made the ring, and poured some of his essence into it, it acted as a corporeal anchor.
He could keep coming back over and over again, but he would be the burnt up mummy-man hinted at in the books.
Sort of like when Saurman dies in the shire, and they see a great cloud of steam rise from his body it forms a cloud in the shape of a man looking to the west who is immediately dissipated by a strong wind from the west. Once Sarumon had turned on his mission, and refused the multiple chances to stop and atone for his actions, he doesn't and so his spirit is blown into the wind where he is just an incorporeal meager ghost who can never influence things again.
Same thing happens to sauron the minute the ring is destroyed.
Sauron doesn't need the ring, he is going to win the war on numbers alone. Its why Denethor goes mad, sauron shows him the horde on his doorstep is just the pinky finger of his fist.
He isn't really worried about it being destroyed either, because it can only be destroyed in mt doom, and the closer the ring gets the more powerful its influence. Frodo and Sam only manage it because a keikaku twist of fate when gollum breaks an oath he swore on the ring and the ring is forced to inflict the punishment (throwing himself off a cliff) while he had the ring itself, and the cliff he was on was over the cracks of Mt. Doom.

>>219256961
>And Celebrimbor made three rings without him.
That were significantly weaker than the one ring in every way? What point do you think you're making here?

>>219256315
>Now almost all of the Elves have sailed west
Americans are Elves according to Tolkien? Kek.

>>219257259
He's the god of autism, whats a nigga gonna do?

>write story for teen
>even put a cameo of a character from a children's story
>100 years later "scholars" argue over your story for a teen

>>219254190
It's not that Sauron would personally be unstoppable- the West has been in decline for centuries (if not millenia) and would have a hard time coming together to beat a resurgent Sauron like they did the first time.

>>219257812
No. There is a whole cosmology.
When Eru first created the world, it was a flat earth set inside an infinite outer sea of chaos.
When the Numenoreans, corrupted by sauron, decided to sail on Valinor, since Eru couldn't abide this happening he "broke" the world, and everything on middle earth EXCEPT Valinor was shifted into a spherical earth floating in a cosmic void. The undying lands stayed where the always were, at a tangential plane to a point on middle earth. The elves are able to follow the "straight path" and sail the little strip of ocean still connecting the two.
When sam watched Frodo sail off, he mentions how they get smaller and smaller until they vanish, but never cross over the horizon, because there IS NO horizon.

>>219256570
Morgoth and Sauron put their powers into their creations, which made them physically weaker. The Ring increased Sauron's ability to dominate the minds of other creatures, but made him more vulnerable in a fight.

>>219258154
It required a prophesied messianic figure of an ancient bloodline to return, and then a shitload of help from the literal angel tasked with trying to not fuck all this stupid shit up.

>>219257527
>Eru intervenes ever so subtlety when needed (see: Gollum tripping into Mount Doom)
Tolkien never says that Eru tripped Gollum. That's reddit faggot nonsense

>>219258247
>but made him more vulnerable in a fight.
He was always a bit of a bitch, his biggest contribution to the first age was the time he got his ass beat by a dog and shit and pissed himself while begging Luthien to call him off
>Ah yes... it is foretold that I can only be defeated by a powerful dog
>Therefore I will transform myself into a very powerful dog so I will be unbeatable
>W-WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERES A MORE POWERFUL DOG! HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME!!!!!
fucking retard

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>>219258122
turns out stories about the inherent goodness of brave heroism defeating evil are much more entertaining, captivating, and influential than women writing about how men don't give them enough attention

>>219258365
Anon its there in the text.
When they first team up with gollum they point out they can't trust him, and there is no oath he could make that they could believe.
Smeagol suggest swearing ON the ring, and frodo counters with swearing BY the ring that gollum would not try to harm them, or take the ring. Frodo warns him explicitly that both oaths and swearing oaths on magical items is srs bsns.
After the unpleasantness with shelob, and the rescue from minas morgul, then gollum tries to attack them both again, and is fought off. He is again warned that he swore and oath on the ring, and that if he tried that shit again he would throw himself off a cliff.
Try reading the book. The trials of frodo and sam were a spiritual quest, the definition of a spiritual quest is that it requires MORE than your physical ability. Destroying the ring was an impossible task, but if they held their faith, and got 99.9999% of the way, then you earn the divine intervention that tips things over.
That intervention being the dominoes set up by sparing gollum, and then the eagles showing up at the end to save sam and frodo.

>>219254190
problem child 2

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>>219254442

>>219256601
>>219258709
>It's just so tiresome.

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>>219258693
>tfw my first post on /tv/ in 2010 was sincerely answering 'problem child 2' to someone asking for a movie
tears in the rain

>>219258616
Based and Ilúvatar-pilled

>>219258616
Yeah but that's more like causality than getting a literal shove by Eru like many people claim

>>219254338
I am trans too, how much you sail8 today bro..I mean ma'am

>>219258412
He did not in fact have that dog in him

>>219258882
I think that causality is exactly how Eru intervened in this case. Definitely not a magical divine shove, but a culmination of events that make the impossible possible.

>>219258760
we never leave brother

>>219258709
>583k views
>20.2k likes
I don't understand twitter at all

>>219254338
>made by a person with credentials
a quite talented and creative one,that's for sure

>>219259223
there's an exponential difference between briskly scrolling past a tweet in your feed, stopping to read with the tweet, stopping to read and choose to like the tweet, and stopping to read and choose to engage with the tweet

>>219254190
my understanding (from the movies, I never read the books) was it allowed him to influence the wearers of the other rings. But in the time the movie takes place, I think the men who had the rings had become the ring wraiths, the elves weren't wearing their rings, and the dwarves I think lost their rings or something. So what would having the ring back had allowed him to do?

>>219254338
>nothing amazing
Yeah, there were lots of other modern fantasy epics around at the time Tolkien was writing, like... uh...

>>219254190
The lotr world has been in decline since the second age, the people of the third age would be too weak to fight him in the event of his return.
Comparable to how America has been in decline since the 1950's. Once the boomers are gone there will be nobody competent enough to run the country, and brazilification will occur.

>>219255689
He wore it loads of times in order to catch orcs and babies to eat

>>219254190
>HE NEEDS THE RING MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE! ALL OF HIS ATTENTION IS CONSTANTLY FOCUSED ON IT!!
>tries to get it once in first half of first film, gives up after the first minor inconvenience (ringwraiths get wet), never ever tries to get it again even though he know where it is

>>219259257
if he was creative he wouldn't have stolen from.german mythology and made such primitive predictable story.
the real reason for ite prominence is because the state recognized it as a perfect slave moralist teaching material

>>219254190
Sauron would've eventually won even without the ring. Even after getting his ass smacked in minas tirith he had a shit ton of orcs in mordor ready to go. If everything after that also failed he still could've just waited in mordor for a few thousand years, again.

>>219260919
He only knows where it is when someone puts it on

>>219254190
Tolkien has a concept of magical entropy. As time goes on, there is less and less magic and more and more normalfaggotry. By the third age, most of the DBZ level powerscaling was gone. But not Sauron. Not yet.
Sauron is a late universe star about to go supernova before the long, cold, heat death of the universe.
it was over WITHOUT the ring. their only hope (not even a realistic hope) was to destroy the ring.

>>219258616
I think it's interesting that Frodo had to live with the knowledge that he actually failed and if it were legitimately up to him he would have taken the ring for himself after fighting off the other ultra cracked out retard who wanted it just as badly, dooming everyone he ever knew or cared about to terrible fates.
>>219261863
What a retarded post.

>Gandalf has been concerned with/investigating the lost master ring for centuries at this point
>knows it could literally be anywhere
>his friend finds a magic ring deep under the earth in a forgotten place that turns him invisible, makes him not age, and causes extreme obsession
>Bilbo also tells him about Gollum
>apparently whether this is the one ring or not is easily discernible by quickly placing it into fire
>never does this
>???

>>219254190
Yeah all those battles in the series where going so well for the humans.

>>219265465
Darth Sauronman was using his powers to cloud the minds of the other Wizards.

The real bullshit is that Mordor somehow produced a legion of orcs, uruk-hai, and trolls led by Nazgul, when Sauron was incorporeal. Somehow Sauron returned. AND the army of Mordor all became sitting ducks when The One Navigation Array to rule them all got dropped into the lava.

Also The Battle of the 5 armies was a distraction from The Smaug List because Thorin I was mentioned in it 3 thousand times.

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Didnt Sauron only lose when Men and Elves sent literally everything they had at him. He also still solo'd both the strongest Elf to ever live and the Strongest Numenor.
The "modern" age of middle earth didnt have fucking anything left in comparison

>>219254338
Gormenghast deserves its flowers. Hyperion too.

>>219267492
Still good movies though. Amazing soundtrack, sound direction, aesthetics, film locations, everything. And the cast is all-white, unthinkable today, when, coincidentally, all big franchise movies are absolutely godawful.

>>219260919
Rivendell is hard to get into. The fellowship was explicitly made because a large group would attract too much attention.

Saruman told Sauron about it, but there wasn't much else he could do since the fellowship got split up and he didn't know who had the ring at the time. They attacked Gondor because that's where they thought it was. IIRC Aragorn bullshitted Sauron into thinking he had the ring to buy Frodo and Sam more time.

>>219254524
Isn't it worse than that this time?
>elves fucking off
>numens basically gone, those left are half-half breeds
>only got the ring by luck last time
Granted, "luck" is Eru saying 'okay you get a chance', same for gollum fucking falling.

>>219267584
5 distinct armies
>2 human, 2 elf, one dward
1 elite fighting unit
>of elf
and countless free parties that just didn't want to die.

The war lasted some 12 years, 7 of them on one fucking siege and basically everyone who actually had god like powers was dead with the exception of Galadriel who just wasn't involved directly in the war.
Just for a literal mutt who was not involved at all directly in the battle with Sauron to come up and cut the ring off his body after two God-Elves sacrificed themselves to basically knock Sauron out for a few minutes.

It was fucked m8, they won, but nearly everything in middle earth that had any sort of real power was destroyed just to do it.
This doesn't even account for the countless elves that died that also had quasi-god like powers.

Why is it called lord of the rings when theres only 1 ring?

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>>219267799
>And the cast is all-white
Cate Blanchett and Liv Tyler didn't look good in the movies thoughbeit. Cate needed better makeup. Liv only looked hot in only one or two of her movies. Arwen should have been played by Jennifer Connelly.

Why dont they just let Sauron be king? How bad could it be?

>>219268161
>Why dont they just let Benjamin Netanyahu be king? How bad could it be?

>>219268106
dipshit there's 20 rings

>>219268110
I don't agree at all. Connelly is actually distracting in films, she's way too recognizable. The casting is almost perfect. Orlando Bloom is the one glaring miscast. He's terrible.

>>219268250
but only 1 ring matters?

the biggest plot hole is that there was a wizard called Sauronman and nobody assumed he was evil

>>219268304
It's important because it masters all the other rings though

>>219260441
>trantasy

>>219268304
Yeah that's why its called Lord of the fucking rings you pay attention?

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>>219254190
>Don't read the book
>Make stupid comments
>Don't understand shit
>Get (YOUs)

>>219268400
I only watched youtube clips. I never watched any of the full movies

>>219268433
go
back
jeet

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>>219254442
We honestly need the cunnybot back

>>219254338
make something better
you can't

>>219263784
so sauron at the start is like cell, and his return later is like majin buu?

wtf is a numenor

>>219254190
>every is after the ring
>all it does is turn your invisible and make grim reapers try to kill you

>>219269124
Grims reapers

>>219269003
>numenorians
>special abilities are they're tall and are numerous
you can tell which parts tolkien's wife wrote

>>219267681
>Gormenghast
an old fart larping as an owl is as gay as it gets.
>Hyperion
the quality of book 1's stories is up and down. book 2 was not bad.

>>219259223
Look up the 90-9-1 rule

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>>219268161
In his short stint in Numenor, he introduced human sacrifice and convinced people to worship Melkor/Morgoth who is basically the Lucifer of the LOTR universe.

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>>219257023
>>That was a movie only scene. In the books Sauron was already defeated by the time Isildur found the body of his father and the smouldering remains of Gil-Galad.

How was Sauron defeated before he loses the Ring?

>>219254190
The One Ring is basically a semi-indestructable lich's phylactery for Sauron. The films doesn't do a great job of explaining it, but his life force is literally tied to the Ring so his soul cannot be forced to leave Arda while the Ring exists. If he regained the Ring he would be unlikely to lose again, not necessarily become more powerful

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>>219254338
>jackson
>credentials

>>219254190
Bladerunner 2049. Why does everyone care so much about a replicant getting pregnant? And is Wallace specifically interested in it? If he can already create adult workers without the cost of raising a child then why have them procreate? It would actually undermine his business because it would allow other people to breed his replicants.

>>219259633
Get a body again iirc

>>219258230
Calm down, K2

>>219260919
He doesn't know where it is and the fellowship actively uses the obscurity against him with Aragorn and the palantir.
Plus he doesn't need it to wipe his enemies out and can just pick it up later

>>219265465
Saruman was the ring scholar man, Gandalf was the diplomat

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>>219254411
>good comedies
Watch this.