>>219295598
I’d be surprised if 40 people watched it

>>219295598
I am convinced Kurtzman is brought in as a well paid fall guy to be the face studios use for when they want to kill something off. He’s genuine poison.

I'm shocked that many watched it.

>>219295598
>thinks having your lungs stolen is an "ethical dilemma"
>supports woke gay shit
What a bitch and a faggot

>>219295598
I believe it. That’s what happens when you cater to an imaginary audience

But wasn't he joking about having a source?

Come on, Anons, you don't fall for jokes that easily, do you?

>>219295598
I'm not. It's almost like it was designed to be as unappealing as possible to core trek fans and at the same time, and to seem as boring as possible to casual fans who wants action and wacky space adventures. The only other possible fans, those who like teen dramas, wouldn't go anywhere near the "stink" of star trek. That just leaves woke-warriors watching for the "Yasss" and at the end of the day, that is a small audience.

>>219295598
Mike from Reddit Lettrr Media allegedly got fucked in the ass by Gooseworx, creator of The Amazon Digital Circus.

There's more fishtank threads than that

>>219295764
It's not even all woke fucks, it's those leftovers of millenial soitards and screeching women from 2015-2017. Core crowd that constitutes "progressives" would rather watch some arthouse movie on progressive topics, like I Saw the TV Glow and whatnot.

>>219295872
According to my source, Fishtank has even fewer viewers than Starfleet Academy. Just more bots. We didn't think it was possible but apparently it is.

>>219295598
>Trekkies wont watch it
>Negroes and white women wont watch it
Who's watching it?

I think Mike was just trying to start a rumor, now some jerkoff is trying to make a big deal about it.

>>219295706
You sound like you have a dick in your mouth right now.

>>219295872
Yeah but at least someone is paying for those.

>>219295598
since when does mike have sources

>>219296234
Sam Hyde sustains his "career" by being a male escort and getting dicked down by troons
He and Mike Stoklasa have the same pimp
FACT!!!!!!

>>219295598
How could you watch that and conclude that Mike was being sincere?

>>219295872
>fishtank
Ah nice to see my filters have remained in place and functioning

>>219295678
He may be unaware of this, but he tries to be legitimate
everything from his sexy mummy movie with tom cruise to jjtrek to kurtzmantrek

>>219295678
You mean… he’s the guy they call when they need someone to swallow their comm badge?

>>219295598
>fat ugly bitches
>faggots
>nigger faggots
>beta males
>lesbians
Nobody is going to waste their time with that trash.

>>219295598
No one watched it, not even the people working on it or else someone would've caught this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRaXfTBR0ec

i just refreshed twitter and this came unto my feed , i flagged it as abusive

>>219295598
The premier episode on YouTube peaked at just over 3k viewers live. I was keeping an eye on it because it was hilarious. They probably spent more than $20mil on that piece of shit. It would've cost less to give everyone watching $500.

>>219295764
Unironically, you have to partially blame the core Trek fans who kept saying the problems with Discovery and Picard is that they were too dark, violent, and action packed, and were too scared to touch on what the actual problems with those shows were (they were gay, effeminate, and written by really dumb incompetent people).

Everyone knows on some level ST is about highly competent, culturally western men(and women who are basically men), serving on a military vessel.
Everyone pretends ST is about "hope" and "progress". And therein lies the problem.
What is "progress" in the modern context? "Progress" is the tearing down of barriers and systems of exclusion, ie: meritocracies.
What is a space ship staffed by highly competent professionals? Not progressive. Fascist, in fact. Everything Star Trek does not stand for (if you ask the fans).

>>219295598
More people watched Shatner's raisin bran commercial that the pilot. I believe it.

>>219295678
Star Trek was already dead before he revived it years ago. It didn't need killing off.

>>219295598
Rightoids are fucking retarded and not only media illiterate but blind to social cues.
Mike was taking the piss here,at best exaggerating. I thought it was redditors who were incapable of detecting sarcasm?

>>219297213
this guy gets it

>>219297226
Elder abuse?

>>219295598
It genuinely enrages me how many iconic franchises have been stolen and aimed at this tiny, cultish clique

>>219295598
It wouldn't surprise me if its in that ballpark. I was gonna bring this up too
>>219297403. Also consider that most of reddit is bots, and those that arent bots are legit shills or people who got the streaming services free in return for giving their thoughts online. Theres also star trek "fans" who arent as much of fans as the show as they are fans of progressive ideals and the show doesnt really matter. So when you strip away all those, you are left with the core Trek audience, who are disgusted by nutrek. I'm sure a generous portion of them checked out the first episode out of curiosity, but everyone knows what Kurtzman makes at this point. Loud, emotional, paper thin plot nonsensical slop.

>>219297450
>core Trek fans too scared to touch on what the actual problems with those shows were (they were gay, effeminate, and written by really dumb incompetent people)
Accurate

>>219297450
>and were too scared to touch on what the actual problems with those shows were (they were gay, effeminate, and written by really dumb incompetent people).
Yes, I get that the majority of more visible or mainstream critics had to dance around those things, and many fans felt the social pressure to as well. That's the insidious part of all this, no one can criticize the root cause, instead having to use adjacent arguments like "too dark" or whatever. That means you can never actually fix the problem. Then they go make it vapid, but still woke with shitty dei writers. That's probably exactly how Starfleet Academy happened. "Hey guys (and gals and nonbinary and two spirit....) they said we have to lighten things up, so let's do a gay girlboss Starfleet Academy!"

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>>219297213
>nigger faggot
He was the only decent character because he was the only one with realistic dialogue and realistic behavior. No super-genius hyper-competent wiz-kidding, and no snarky sarcastic quippy banter either.

It's sad to see /tv/ posters making false assumptions based on politics instead of discovering the truth for themselves. Of the 6 main cadets, only 5 turned out to be irredeemable trash that makes you want to stab your ears when they speak.

>>219295764
The writing is too immature for older fans who like the Shakespearean dialogue and themes of classic Trek. But it’s too overstuffed with Trek worldbuilding for newcomers to use it as a gateway series. They were referencing storylines older than half the cast. Starfleet Academy really was the Concord of streamslop.

>>219296188
That's probably the sound coming from your mom's room

>>219297919
You got my mom's dick in your mouth?

>>219297213
Yeah we know RLM sucks, but what about Starfleet Academy?

>>219295598
Everyone stopped watching when they realized the Holly Hunter character isn't constantly barefoot.

>>219297496
Even if it was a pisstake, he couldn’t have been too far off the mark. The ratings were terrible and barely charted on Paramount’s own Top Ten, with absolutely no competition currently airing. It was losing to 30 year old sitcoms. The Pitt and Heated Rivalry on HBO were destroying it in viewership, for a fraction of the budget. If the show were even cracking 1 million average viewers, Paramount wouldn’t have cancelled it so fast.

>>219295598
>How is this possible
Disney+ regularly drops HUGE amounts of money on franchise shows that don't even break the top lists for viewership. Every so often people claim one or two of these shows is "good" but still no one cares. A lot of people will tell you the issue is fan anger, and of course that is a factor which I won't deny. People are pissed that their favourite franchises are crashing and burning. But the main issue is that the masses of casual viewers are too apathetic to this shit. Paramount+ does not have cultural penetration, the marketing is going no where and most people don't even know this shit exists. People are pulled in too many directions to really give a fuck unless something goes truly viral. And this goes into the fact that entertainment is in a big transition period from traditional mediums to the online world, algorithms and the war for attention spans in the attention economy. Yes this stuff is bad, but even if it wasn't most people wouldn't tune in anyway.

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>>219297808
>It's sad to see /tv/ posters making false assumptions
>6 main cadets, only 5 turned out to be irredeemable trash

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>>219295678
>He’s genuine poison.
Correct.

>>219298156
Yet Sheridan can somehow make it work there again and again. Enough with this fucking defeatist attitude. It's well past time to get rid of this obsession with the female+lgbt audience, the feminist lens and all that shit and hire appropriate creatives

>>219298420
Star Trek fans will never collectively demand it.

>>219298420
>Taylor Sheridan
>not having a femenist lens
Lol
Lmao even

>>219298250
When the critics blindly hate everything regardless of quality, the creators can lie to themselves and say "The critics only hate us because they're chuds".

If the critics restrained themselves and restricted their hatred to only what's actually bad, then the creators would have nowhere left to hide.

>>219298526
They shouldn't even have to

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>>219298578
So who is the network going to listen to?
The special interest groups say "make it more woke and shitty", and Star Trek fans are also more or less saying "make it woke", but they just want it not to be shitty in some kind of undefined way.
You can say "find good writers", but then what does a good writer look like? Someone who worked on a highly rated queer drama?

On some level, this just is the fault of the fans, because they're a bunch of dopes and cowards.
What would Mike Stoklasa's suggestion for an all new Star Trek show be? (hard mode: you can't just say "bring back Patrick Stewart"). You know what he'd say. He'd say "make it hopeful, and include the gays in it". And then they would make Starfleet Academy.

>>219295706
>supports woke gay shit
Star Trek did feature the first televised interracial kiss

>>219295598
it seems like it's probably accurate based on how many views the 1 episode they posted on YT has combined with it definitely having the same catastrophic dropoff that rings of power had

>>219298744
Trek fans that are left seem to want the same kind of slow paced, episodic teleplay stuff as before, woke or not. But I don't think even that will be successful. Even if it's not woke. This kind of television is simply out, it won't be popular.

>>219298828
it can work if they don't spend a gorillion dollars making it but they will never ever do that in the modern day
everything has to be a 9 digit bloated disaster because brand name

>>219298420
Sheridan is really good as sneaking the wokeness in after he’s built a Middle American audience. The first three episodes or even season will be about rugged dudes shooting guns and riding horses. But slowly he adds in scenes where the cowboy is scolded by his Native American wife, or someone makes an offhand comment about having a same sex lover. By then the audience is so invested they pinch their nose but keep watching until the end.

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Paramount simply doesn't understand Star Trek and keep insisting on making it into a teen franchise even though very few people want that from their Star Trek. They sort of figured it out how to make it work with Lower Decks but alienated half the audience by misunderstanding how modern viewers engage with shows through fan-shipping and shit like that. But at its core, the audience simply doesn't want it to be a teen show in general, they want it to be a boomer franchise. The ideal is to make the audience feel like they're mature and intelligent for watching the show.

Thats too much

i wouldn't watch a starfleet academy show even if it was 100% lore accurate based on what's shown mainly in TNG, I think it's in ds9 a few times too iirc
there was a reason it wasn't shown that often in the old stuff, it's not the interesting part of starfleet

>>219297496
Yeah, fair enough. I didn't really think about it and didn't see any reason he'd be making it up when the episode they put on Youtube got like 1,3k concurrent viewers. If I'd been interested, I'd have looked up the Nielsen ratings or something.

>>219295678
you don't need conspiracies to explain a group of nepo jews pushing pozz

>>219298948
They should just embrace their Gen X fanbase because that’s who remembers the golden eras. There’s a huge untapped market of “flyover trash” between New York and California who would love a show with Berman style writing. They’re going to show up before the gender fluid pansexual zoomer that Kurtzman thinks is on every street corner, dying for a new show to watch.

>>219298948
>the audience simply doesn't want it to be a teen show in general, they want it to be a boomer franchise
This is the part that boggles my mind. Modern studios and showrunner keep telling us that the old way of doing shows is outdated and no modern viewers will accept it, but at the same time, it's pretty obvious that these same viewers, when given a streaming library, consistently watch and re-watch the old stuff. They devour the old trek shows, especially TNG, so it should be extremely simple: make more shit like that. Moderate budgets, full seasons, episodic, elevated dialogue and characters, and morality (not political) plays in space. No one is re-watching and "binging" any of the new tripe, not just Trek but all of the remakes, reboots, and sequels to well-loved older IPs. Who settles down to a comfy rewatch of Discovery? They should have those numbers right in front of them.

>>219299104
this is the second time he's alluded to it, I don't think he's being ironic. Someone has probably been emailing them
regardless it doesn't matter, anyone with a braincell knows nobody is watching this absolute trash, hard numbers or not. Paramount is completely aware of it, if you watch trek on amazon for example they like to spam ads for merchandise and it's exclusively the old shows

>>219298744
>So who is the network going to listen to?
The data hopefully. What today is Kurtzman Trek, Disney Wars, Wokeformers, M-She-U, etc was all sold to the corporate world years ago as "follow our militantly progressive demands and in return you will have unprecedented viewership and box office". Where the hell is it? And are you going to continue taking advice from the people who brought you here? That's what i would tell them

>>219298828
How would the modern trek people know it wouldn’t work? They’ve never even tried

>>219299334
The 40,000 number is spreading like wildfire. If it was false then Paramount could threaten RLM for damages. At the very least copystrike all their Trek videos.

>>219299217
Appeal to the fans in a superficial fashion, and then make the show actually good, and people will show up due to word of mouth.
Worked for the Orville of all things. The Orville isn't even *that* good, but it's got a following.

I think step one is just return to the look of 90's Star Trek. Make the sets look more or less the way we last saw them in Voyager or the TNG movies. Make the costumes look like a slightly updated version of the grey DS9 uniform.
Grab as many of the old names as you can. Rick Berman. Ronald D Moore...
Get at least one legacy actor onboard (unfortunately they keep wasting these).

I'd be down with a Picard season 3 followup, featuring Seven of Nine and Picard's son on the new Enterprise, presuming it looked and was written nothing like Picard, and was all but officially set in a parallel universe.
Maybe even write that in. Say that Q was testing them.

>>219298420
> Enough with this fucking defeatist attitude.
You what? I am not pushing a defeatist attitude, I am talking about the lay of the land here. I am simply describing reality.
>Yet Sheridan can somehow make it work there again and again
Practically every streaming service has one or two big shows they endlessly push. That's part of the problem, talent is scarce and they serve it piecemeal.
>It's well past time to get rid of this obsession with the female+lgbt audience, the feminist lens and all that shit and hire appropriate creatives
Yellowstone has that shit too. I'm just saying, even if they got rid of that stuff it wouldn't magically make any of this stuff suddenly work because people have moved on because entertainment has moved on.

>>219298759
>Star Trek did feature the first televised interracial kiss

I'm done pretending these things are at all equal. They aren't and they never were.

>>219296341
So not only does Sam get free troon cock but he also gets paid for it? Sounds like he's winning in life.

I always figured no one watched these Paramount Star Trek shows, but it begs the question, why did Paramount spend 10 years making them?

>>219299511
rick berman is like 200 years old at this point
brannon braga and ira steven behr would be reasonable

They could fix Trek in 5 minutes and it really makes you wonder why they havent chosen to. Perhaps its pride and not wanting to admit they were wrong about what the fans want (lets call this the WoW classic scenario). Worse would be if they are aware its not what the fans want but now Trek is under this umbrella of progressive media and that is more important than making adjustments.

>>219295598
why would it be "40k per episode"? some people just randomly decide to watch the seventh one having not seen anything else? more likely the first episode was like 200k and it dropped dramatically after that

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>>219298759
Old Trek:
>Here is political things happening through the lens of this story.
>This is a teleplay and exploration of things with professional acting characters.
Nu Trek:
>A mixture of YASS QUEEN RuPaul Drag Race style language combined with Tumblr fanfic shit combined with Joss Whedon-isms.
>Better watch that trans Breadtuber break down Star Trek again in another multi hour video complaining about how the right don't get it.

>>219299620
Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are like one guy in my head.

it's kind of amazing how the hastily thrown together sets on TNG look MUCH better than the nutrek ones that cost hundreds of millions of dollars
then you have the ones in DS9 and Voyager where they were seasoned pros by that point and it's even more stark. All of the nutrek ship bridges look like they were designed by 12 year olds

>>219295678
Why give the guy who is supposed to kill the franchise 4 different projects?

>>219298828
>>219299295

Thinking of Old Trek as slow paced is wrong. TNG was made at the height of linear TV where the scripts are hyperspecialized in grabbing your attention and constantly moving the story forward. Go watch a TNG episode and think about the economy of time that's at work compared to something like Picard season 1. TNG had to be written like that because viewers would literally just go "This is boring" and zap around channels until they found something that wasn't boring even if they're tuning into a show missing the first 10 minutes of an episode. This is why Star Trek did great in reruns. People just zapped around and eventually found Star Trek and went "yeah this might be interesting" and the show would give everything that their ADHD brains wanted.

>>219299690
Obviously it was probably weighted towards the first episode with a drop off but the 40k was just an average to quickly highlight how low views are overall.

>>219299511
Even if 24 episode seasons aren’t coming back, a 12 episode season with the A plot being self contained and the B plot being the story arc is perfectly doable. It’s much better than a 2 hour movie stretched to 8 or 10 hours and then going on break for two years. How is that model sustainable?

>>219299804
The 90's shows were all pretty much designed with the logic that they were supposed to be comfortable, functional workspaces, where people lived.
The modern shows all look like they're designed to be "sci-fi" in a really shallow and flashy way. How much more chrome and light strips can we get in here? Also dull the lighting so it looks moody.

>>219299690
"An average of".

>>219299831
i saw an anon talk about that in a thread a week or so ago
you can pick out a random episode of TNG/DS9 and if it was made today it would be stretched to be an entire season of Discovery. Example used was Yesterday's Enterprise and it made me chuckle bc I can visualize it

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>>219299622
It’s a cosmic governance to make us more readily embrace AI slop. If media was still any good AI would have less growth potential and predicted return on investment

>>219299804
>look MUCH better than the nutrek ones that cost hundreds of millions of dollars
This is just everything in movies and TV now, it’s all money laundering and needless expense. Look at the absolutely fucking insane overly-bloated camera equipment that studios use now, they look like transformers and cost absurd amounts when the average operator can’t even compose a shot for love nor money.

>>219299920
I think the main turnoff is all the chrome/reflective surfaces and lights
it looks so fucking tacky but apparently Alex Kurtzman thinks it's the coolest thing ever bc they've been doing it since Star Trek 2009

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>>219299511
Berman dislikes the boat people

for me, it's the Voyager sets with the tasteful grey carpeting.
https://youtu.be/05lkeKZ2JTc?t=137

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>>219295598
>Kurtzman has bastardized, vandalized and devalued Star Trek to the point that it's a barely recognizable paralyzed husk of a franchise with a completely decimated fanbase

Nice.

>>219300311
Oldfags have held it together better than doctor who at least

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>>219299768
Goddamn they never pass. Seeing some fucking troon doesn’t help. I hope he feels the deepest sense of shame for what he has become but his mental illness won’t let him.

>>219299831
Economy of storytelling takes a level of intelligence modern trek writers lack

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>>219300489
When you're right, you're right.

>>219298926
While i'd obviously push for perfect i'm not going to lose sleep over blink-and-you-miss-it moments like that. There's a reason you can't create a Sheridan show thread on reddit without being downvoted to oblivion.

>>219295598
How many were in the key demo? probably zero

>>219299831
Streaming completely destroyed any notion of the economy of time. Combined with Youtuber/nitpickers attacking every little story shortcut as being a trope or problematic. So now we have this weird editing where individual episodes can have absolutely nothing happen because they presume you're binging anyway or their attempts at actually having some development feel flat. It is a weird situation.

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>>219300119
I like the DS9 walls made out of US Mail pallets.

>>219296289
I actually wouldn't at all be surprised if he knows people who work on Star Trek.

>>219295598
mike is mega retarded and i doubt he knows anyone that close to the production

but i guarantee you the figures are bad. i wouldn't be surprised at an average hovering around 100,000 per episode. if that

The Our Town episode was very revealing. To its credit, it was a very good version of Our Town. At the same time, it is still fucking Our Town.

>>219299768
>Old Trek:
>Here is political things happening through the lens of this story.
It's not even that. Although some contemporary politics may have leaked in, what made trek powerful was that it tried (and sometimes failed, but mostly succeeded) at making the stories about timeless (not timely!) themes. Philosophical debates and broad historical issues carefully abstracted into a story that felt detached enough to get people to consider alternative viewpoints to their own. This has been said before by others, but old trek said, "hey, here are some other ways of looking at it, think about them, please" whereas nutrek says, "agree 100% with this unquestionable current day woke orthodoxy or else you are literally Hitler and if you don't like it, you're not a 'rea' fan." It's the difference between a friendly discussion between friends about their different viewpoints, and having a crazy-eyed preacher screaming at you that you are a sinner.

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>>219299874
>the A plot being self contained and the B plot being the story arc
Honestly, I think this is what people would want. In the old says, yes there was something comfy about shows that were 100% episodic, but they required a status-quo reset that, in the end, made it all feel a bit meaningless. Yes, the episodes were good, but there was no sense of progress in the setting. A B plot moving something along would make things feel a bit less stagnant, BUT this requires extreme self-discipline to pull off, however. It's way to easy to go too far. The background arc needs to inch along slowly and organically, without huge shocks or unbalancing. You should watch a season with most of the episodes feeling episodic, but then when the season ends, you get some closure of the background arc and it feels earned. No blowing up Romulus for a quick shock or revealing the captain was an evil clone the whole time. Just a steady background arc happening within the greater Trek universe.

>>219301068
>It's not even that.
It is. Most of your post is describing what I meant whilst acting like I was saying something completely different. Weird strawman.

>>219295727
I mean the people stunlocked about RLM can't even properly read other peoples emotions

>>219300756
Even worse a lot of shows are written with the assumption that its second screen material. You're doing social media stuff on your phone and the TV is playing Stranger Things. Seasons just having one long story arc and the episodes having a bunch of filler scenes with important story scenes dragging on forever makes perfect sense in that context. A show like TNG simply competes with your attention too much.

>>219301435
I'm saying they avoided politics (mostly) and tried to focus on the deeper, more timeless themes. That's why it feels less dated and easy to watch now, since the viewer doesn't need to know the exact political situation at the time the episode was made. At its worst (space hippies) trek feels horribly "of its time" but at its best, it feels like it's addressing universal philosophical dilemmas.

>less than 40,000 per episode

lmao that's low views for a youtube video
for a tv show it's a disaster

>>219301603
>I'm saying they avoided politics (mostly) and tried to focus on the deeper, more timeless themes.
They didn't avoid politics.. You're treating the word "political" as a loaded term to randomly go off on one and act like I meant something completely different. Those timeless themes were political, that much is evident. This is a weird semantic conversation based on people being triggered by the term political when it comes to conversations in media. You're acting patronising and trying to correct me rather than have a conversation and it is weird, anon.

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>>219295598
KURTZMAN'D

>>219301893
While I have some questions about this being an accurate number, we know is had to have been low because, as discussed above, this was made for an imaginary audience while shitting on an existing audience. It's like if a guy has a weird niche fetish and, instead of cleverly and subtly weaving it into the show, made the whole fucking show a gratuitous display of it and admonished the fans for calling him out on it. Who is left to watch the damned thing? Just the other handful of people with that niche fetish, maybe.

>>219300654
I like Zesty

>>219301966
>punchable, effeminate face
he imprinted his gayness all over starfleet academy

>>219301309
I bet her asshole smells like freshly baked bread

>>219295598
I will never understand why people think paid streaming services work like Yourube. Here is a tip: People subscribe to these services so they can watch the content on their schedule. The real litmus for success is how did it do with subscriptions.

>>219302382
How do you tie a show to specific subscriptions??

>>219302382
>People watch the content on their schedule.
So just like Youtube then.

>>219295598
His source is him making up slanderous lies as a "joke", the drunk.

>>219302382
I heard there was analysis done for Skydance that showed Kurtzman Trek hurt Paramount+ subscriptions because people didn't want to contribute their money to facilitate Trek's destruction.

>>219298759
That was neither woke nor gay

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mike doesn't even try to deny he's the reason why star wars is garbage now
he just looks at people like pic related

>>219302760
it was for the time

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>>219295684
this

This is an unfathomably advanced robot.

>>219295764
>It's almost like it was designed to be as unappealing as possible to core trek fans
Which it was, see, progressive writers and producers think that everyone is exactly like them because they all live in places like Los Angeles and New York City and most of those populations are metropolitan progressive fags. Because of that they think they're the majority of the world and that flooding pop culture with their progressive ideology is fine because no one would object but when they find out that people who aren't them share their pop culture interests they want them driven out by any means necessary. Quality becomes optional to them because all they care about is having their beliefs parroted in a massive echo chamber

>>219295764
>who wants action and wacky space adventures.
Star Trek was sadly not about either of those, it was about the human condition and moral dilemmas

its like every show
250k viewers first episode
100k second
and the other 50k for all the other episodes

>>219303026
No it wasn't.

>>219295764
>those who like teen dramas, wouldn't go anywhere near the "stink" of star trek.
Actually no, those people will watch that slop regardless of what it's attached to. It's just Starfleet Academy is genuinely that bad

>>219295598
>The Modern Audience is about 400k people
That's enough to fill Wembley Stadium five times over

When do u think Mike last had sex?

>>219295706
Them pearl-clutching over that fake scandal about the race-swapping shit in nu Star Trek was really gay.

>>219303588
with a woman?

>>219303639
kyle wasn't race swapped in strange new worlds?

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>>219301435
Shut the fuck up

>>219303756
Technically Jay doesn't count as a woman

>>219303377
I know, I was just describing potential casual viewer motivations.

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>>219303820
I never once defended nuTrek and I in fact shit on it in my original post you fucking retard: >>219299768

I was just saying that the other anon didn't know what I meant and acted like I was saying something different when I used the word political. Not once did I defend that shit so quit with your strawman and quit being an absolute faggot.

>>219297943
Yes

>>219295598
Speaking as a non-Trekkie, who gives a fuck about Star Trek in 2026?

As far as I can tell you have the original series and TNG as the gold standard of iconic actors and good writers. What does modern Star Trek have? A brand only 80s and 90s nerds give a fuck about?

GET REAL FUCKING ACTORS

>>219303477
If you look, a lot of teen drama stuff has gone over to the fantasy genre, but not the scifi genre. There's a reason, and it's the same as why fantasy novels as a genre have turned into porn for women. Fantasy allows all kinds of illogical shit to happen without need for explanation. Scifi, on the other hand, is pussy repellant, so older women don't care for it as a vehicle for their drama and spiciness, and younger girls get the ick. See, we think of fantasy and scifi as related a bit because we are thinking of old style, where both scifi and fantasy tried hard to have internal logic and worldbuilding. Now, fantasy is just a setting for girl smut, and scifi has been turned into just another form of mindless action or something hijacked for politics.

>>219304241
kys

>>219303377
Nigga there's an episode where the main plot is Troi's mom wanting to bang Picard, an episode where La Forge and Data LARP as Sherlock & Watson and fight rogue AI Moriarty then you've got Trials and Tribble-ations and the Holosuite baseball episode.

There's a two parter about Picard LARPing as a pirate to and being over the top while undercover.

Star Trek can be incredibly silly at times, serious too but it's not like Trek was afraid of doing silly things to entertain themselves and fans

>>219304396
>Scifi, on the other hand, is pussy repellant, so older women don't care for it as a vehicle for their drama and spiciness, and younger girls get the ick.
You would assume these bitches would be thinking about alien cock given some of that shit involves sex with monsters

>400K over a season of 10 episodes
>this means 40K watched per episode
I'm slightly above retarded but I'm pretty sure that's not how viewership works

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>>219304487
The silliness of those shows doesn't feel like the silliness of stuff now. It is like the pop culture shit people draw from now when it comes to silliness is all the same shit. Remember when Buffy had a musical number? Let us have Klingons singing.

>>219304758
>averages how do they work
He was just pointing out how low viewership is, of course the actual distribution won't be that.

>>219295598
To go back to the drawing board would be to do something much more similar to 1980s/1990s era Star Trek, study what made the 1960s version so great, or maybe even a bit of the 2000s era of lingering Berman Star Trek. The J J Abrams movies mostly worked to reignite enthusiasm into Star Trek for younger generations who might have thought it to be too nerdy for them, and now, they've grown up, too. The J J Abrams trick only worked one-time for those movies, and not really any TV series, though. Any new movies should follow a more 1980s/1990s formula.

>>219304758
No it adds up, 40k times ten is 400k

>>219304820
>of course the actual distribution won't be that.
Literally said "40K views per episode"

>>219304871
nigga if 400K are watching a show most likely at least 300K watched all episodes

>>219304820
True, I'm simply pointing out that thinking Trek is constantly this deep, philosophical show is incredibly distorted and wrong

Holy shit, are people really that stupid that they don't understand what he meant by "an average of 40k per episode"

>>219304873
>out of context quote from twitter
>also literally says "average of maybe"
>average
The point he was making was that it may have had as little as 400k views total, which is tiny especially carved up amongst 10 episodes. You're getting weirdly wrapped up in this shit and not thinking it through.

>>219304948
Anon.. it is 400k VIEWS. Not 400k people. 400k views spread across ten episodes. 200k people may have watched the first episode then less tuned in for episode 2 etc, meaning far less people watched the whole thing. The show has been cancelled for a reason.

>>219304948
You're mixing up viewers and views. Mike is saying his source has told him its 400K views spread out across the entire season. If it was 400K views on episode 1, that'd be 100% of the entire tally and the remaining nine episodes would have 0 views.

>>219304948
>Alleged total season viewer count: 400,000
>Season is 10 episodes
>400,000 total viewers, divide it by 10
>400k divided by 10 is...40k
How are you incapable of basic division?

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>>219295598
> How is this possible?

Well........

report eceleb threads as off topic

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>>219305256
this is is the most real tv talk on this entire board atm

>>219304948
If 400,000 people watched per episode that'd be still bad because that's barely enough to justify a third season

I have a blue hair "smash the patriarchy" coworker with like 20 Star Trek funco pops at her desk who dresses in Starfleet uniform for Halloween every year, and she didn't even watch it.

>>219295598
To be involved with Star Trek, everyone working on any new content should watch everything from the 1960s through the 2000s. After that, they could maybe be qualified to create new content for Star Trek. Watching just a little of TOS, TNG, and maybe DS9, VOY, ENT, and JJ Abrams Star Trek movies does not count.

>>219305245
The only retard here is you

>>219304669
True, but scifi still carries a heavy nerd-coding, by which I mean old school nerds, not "cool" nerds of now.

>>219304858
>The J J Abrams trick only worked one-time for those movies, and not really any TV series, though.
That's because, for the TV series, they only really kept the visual style of the movies and stripped everything else (likely for skewing too male)

>>219305406
>Use basic math to prove your 300k views per episode claim
>"No ur wrong because you just are"
See the problem here?

>>219299768
>tranny

no thanks

>>219305051
>True, I'm simply pointing out that thinking Trek is constantly this deep, philosophical show is incredibly distorted and wrong
NTA but I agree. The thing to keep in mind, though, is those silly episodes were usually timed to hit between really heavy ones, to keep the mood from getting too bleak. And even when they were being silly, it was still in a way that fits the setting, not modern "silly" which usually involves current day slang and references, immediately breaking immersion.

>>219298544
He's based and redpilled, deal with it liberal.

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>>219305382
Well ladida, look at Mr. I-Have-Job-In-This-Economy over here!

>>219305486
>keep the mood from getting too bleak
NTA, That's also a problem with TV shows nowadays, writers are way too obsessed with making misery porn

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>>219305256
These ecelebs finally convinced Deep Space Nine fans and Voyager fans to come together in peace and friendship and harmony. The rift is healed, we are whole again.

God bless you, ecelebs.

>>219305533
if it makes you feel any better it's one that definitely going to be replaced by AI

>>219305638
Blame that on the meme of "Prestige" TV

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>>219305051
>True, I'm simply pointing out that thinking Trek is constantly this deep, philosophical show is incredibly distorted and wrong
I truly blame Youtubers:
>In this four hour video essay..
>MEASURE OF A MAN THOUGH!
The truth is there is FAR too many college educated people, too dumb for high culture but who often look down upon pop culture and yet at the same time they like pop culture so they have to try and desperately elevate it. I find people create bizarre expectations in their discussion of media and never place things in context of what they are actually like. Star Trek could have a variety of different things take place.

rich did not want to hear about mikes source and leak and seemed embarrassed?

Was the leak Patton? He was also mentioned in the video.

>>219295598
I stopped watching them 2 years ago, has anything interesting happened? Half in the Bag became a mess when they stopped caring about the opening skits and decided to drop weekly releases in favor of lazy hour long paraphrases of movies they watched a month prior. Sad.

>>219298128
>Heated Rivalry on HBO were destroying it in viewership
The plot to “Heated Rivalry” sounds like “gay ice hockey lovers”.
No wonder I’ve never heard of the show.
Also, how is a show about gay ice jockey players beating a Star Trek show in ratings?

>>219306072
Mike was spotted at a WWE show by the cameraman and he started doing a dance and his girlfriend was seated nearby and a child

>>219305812
>FAR too many college educated people, too dumb for high culture but who often look down upon pop culture and yet at the same time they like pop culture so they have to try and desperately elevate it
Those people have massive insecurities and probably are the reason there's been so much irony-poisoning in modern genre TV.

>>219301309
DADDY WANT BEEF

>>219306074
>The plot to “Heated Rivalry” sounds like “gay ice hockey lovers”.
That's because that's exactly what the plot is.

Fun fact the original book is literally Steve/Bucky Marvel fanfiction that had all the Marvel related names swapped out for new ones

>>219306158
These people commenting on media are often of the same class of people destroying franchises. They are inherently unhappy, neurotic and anxious people who both love these franchises whilst also hating them. They are trapped by them. They fundamentally produce nothing of value.

>>219295598
>When a toy of Spock sitting on a chair get higher viewership than your show

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>>219295598
apologize

>>219295706
unironically star trek is what bred the whole reddit mentality to begin with. They called the new religion in school episode of DS9 "Politics done right"

>>219305957
Unless its funny gossip Rich does not give a shit.

>>219306297
That's why shows or movies that have "ironic" self-awareness are shit, it's obvious the writers hate what they're doing and would rather be doing arthouse projects that you'd see on A&E in the 90s.

The best self-awareness in movies and shows come from people who clearly love what they're doing

>>219306331
To be fair, it was much more compelling viewing

>>219306297
these people literally just need to go away for a while, and imbibe high culture. Read some classic novels, watch some Shakespeare, watch an opera. Then when you've got that out of your system, you can engage with your sloppa without the inferiority complex. a lot of it's kind of not *that* impressive anyway.
You have to ask yourself who you're trying to impress here. People who've read Dickens? Go and read Dickens. Now who are you trying to impress?

>>219295598
If only 40k people are watching then it's no shock every "Modern Audience" project fails, because it's most largest amount is 40 thousand people

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>>219306297
>They are inherently unhappy, neurotic and anxious people who both love these franchises whilst also hating them. They are trapped by them.
Truth
Plenty of youtubers have built careers shitting on the awful content these franchises have generated over the last 10 - 15 years. But if the pendulum swings back and we suddenly get great content from these franchises, the youtubers views will plummet. So they have this weird vested interest in hoping the franchises they love continue to generate awful content they can shit all over.

>>219307149
WINKLE BY THE CLOCK, NOT SLEEPY

>>219295872
And they all only contain 3 of Sam's wigger goons posting back and forth to each other

>>219308350
>>219306297
Your theory doesn't jive with certain projects like Picard S3 and Andor getting general hater reactions of "Y'know, I don't hate this"

>>219308487
that disparu cunt tried to shit on andor and probably lost half of his cunt subscribers. i'm sure he's more careful now

>>219308350
They can always pivot to shitting on AI
Seriously there's a fucking million new channels in my feed every day all bitching about AI and how we're all gonna die

>>219308602
then stop watching them retard, the algorithim just feeds you more of what you've already watched

>>219303820
Donald Trump exists in Star Trek?

>>219308487
The smarter youtubers pepper in a few positive reviews so it's not all doom and gloom.
>>219306447
eg. He has his 'The Drinker recommends' series as well as the 'Production Hell' vids

>>219308643
Prove it, nerd

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>>219308800
Yes.

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>Ratings so bad it gets cancelled
>Still gets a 2nd season

>>219298420
>Sheridan
I saw plenty of scenes from Landman posting here where the protagonist is talking to his whore daughter about how her boyfriend is cumming inside of her.

Is that really the alternative to gay wokeshit?

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His source

>>219308900
Streaming shows get 2 "seasons" which is actually produced as one but they call it them getting shot back to back

Starfleet Academy season 2 was announced in 2023

>>219295598
I have never watched this guy's YT show. I see him all over the catalogue, and it's been years. Is his show occasionally smart, or interesting? Nevermind. I'm going to keep avoiding it. Oh also he's that anti SW prequels guy right? Fuck him I like Ep 3.

>>219308900
Production has probably already started for the second season and there's companies with contracts to deliver effects and all of that. I guess they could just not finish production and write it off as a loss but that's fairly extreme. When WB did that with movies like Batgirl it was part of a whole merger with Discovery and most likely only done to find as many ways as humanly possible to write down the value of the acquisition for weird tax reasons.

>>219309021
He dumps her that episode because they can't have sex in the house
He also ends up regretting asking too

This is what RLM gets for shitting on George Lucas for well over a decade

>>219308900
It's filmed so the special effects will just be lower quality. Might as well just shit it out. It actually helps YouTubers make a living so why not

>>219309021
He's actually not allowed to do that because the daughter doesn't wanna get pregnant...yet

Sheridan's shows have blink and you miss it "woke" moments but it's usually lip service to placate Blackrock suits

>>219309163
>Is his show occasionally smart
Nope.
>or interesting?
Nah.
>I'm going to keep avoiding it.
Good choice.

>>219309294
>blink and you miss it
I saw more than one scene like that posted here and they were several minutes long.

>>219295706
Youve never seen Star Trek. What a shame.

>>219295764
It's meant to kill the franchise. Woke people don't like it because it's bad. Woke people are smart, which is why they don't watch it. Chuds will watch anything, which us why they know plot beats and specifics of the horrible new shows. They are the audience.

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>>219309340
If someone steals your friend's lungs, you take them back. Doesn't matter if the thief dies. They had no concern for your friend.

>>219298156
Cope, the show sucks

>>219309294
>usually lip service to placate Blackrock suits
Is it really that easy to make them happy?

>>219295598
>beliving red letter media has a source.
The only clown here is you

>>219309294
I remember the Boys was at least in it's first two seasons willing to make fun of liberals too, then Kripkike got mad people found Homelander compelling

A normal writer would be proud they've managed to make a villain who's generated hype

>>219299831
It's the Surf Dracula problem. A show like Trek is fundamentally incompatible with the 8 episode season every two years streaming format.

>>219295598
I haven't met a single person that has watched this.

>>219309590
>Kripkike got mad people found Homelander compelling
lmao so he crashes the show with no survivors, just like joker folie a deux
sure showed them