Mass Effect is Babylon 5 combined with Farscape and Battlestar Galactica. Three whole TV shows you can watch without having to wait for this trash

>we want the non-gamer audience for this game IP

Ah yes, targeting the mythical “modern audiences”. I’m sure it will work this time!

>>219325903
>one of the most disappointing endings to any trilogy
>literally a meme how bad it was
>”let’s set it directly afterwards”
How does Hollywood keep doing this

>more appealing to non-gamers
Are we talking normie dudes or women. If it's the latter that's definitely bad news.

>>219325903
Won't work anyway. Mass Effect's pull was mainly the "YOUR CHOICES MATTER" tagline. Players most definitely don't want to watch anything that has to "canonize" one specific world state that will no doubt differ from theirs in some key aspect.
And non-players won't have any interest in it in the first place.

>>219325903
it's halo all over again

>>219326036
How would you even end the story if you were making it into a series ?

>>219326238
the red ending where he takes a breath after the credits and goes back to banging space racists and tentacle heads

>>219326238
Id just throw out the endings and go with the dark matter theory that obviously was the intended direction before the writing got raped to death in focus group normalfags who “didn’t understand it” and “liked the robots”

>>219326171
Not exactly the same thing but they could actually kill off major characters to show that stuff Shepard did actually made a difference instead of keeping everyone around forever till the end of the series

>>219326466
>kill off major characters
So, basically fail the suicide mission in ME2?

>>219325903
>hey guys that thing was successful among its audience, let's go against that hehe
why lmao, it has to be some rothchild contractual thing to do this everytime, there's no other reason.

also the success of fallout (even though that shit on lore or whatever) why the fuck would they keep doing the OP shit

>>219325903
>"We'll take this known IP but rewrite it and put our own spin on it instead of being faithful!"
>Show cancelled
How many times do we have to do this dance?

>>219325903
Who would play best girl, Tali?

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Shepard

Around a month ago I typed it all out but they should’ve made it about Anderson.
>S1: humanity’s contact war with the turians as a war series
>S2: humanity’s entrance into the Council as a political drama plus Biotic rights terrorists as the action plot
>S3: Anderson’s trials to become a spectre ending with him being sabotaged by Saren
>S4: Anderson has been down and out but gets approached for the Normandy as a joint project between the Turians and Humanity
It would be kino if the last season ended with Hackett and Udina inviting Anderson into a meeting where they’re discussing who to put as humanity’s second attempt as a Spectre, before Udina ponders for a moment, looks into the camera, and says:
>What about Shepard?
from the very beginning of Mass Effect 1, and right after cut to black for a moment before the credits to show the reflection of the viewer, like how Shepard was looking out of the window at the very beginning of ME1.
I feel like even with all these characters it wouldn’t be hard for new viewers to pick up on who they are or what they’re like and longtime fans would appreciate to see the beginnings of these characters proving themselves in things like the Contact War.

>>219325903
??
so its not for gamers, but an audience that has no clue what "Mass Effect" is, but the show will start after ME3, meaning in the middle/end of the Lore

?? what?
this is another money laundering operation

>>219326579
I wouldn’t necessarily follow the games exactly but yeah
Characters leave or die off in random episodes
New ones come in
Have a definite ending in mind from the beginning
Shows don’t want to kill off characters because fans might like them but if it’s a limited run series anyways it shouldn’t really matter
Sometimes shows get a lot worse because they are afraid to kill off characters but end up with nothing left for them to really do (Ex: Heroes , The Boys probably some other shit)

>>219327195
Does it matter? You don't get to see her anyway.
Also, Tali is a walking exposition in ME1, a lovesick teenager with daddy-issues in ME2 and just there in ME3 (unless you get her people killed, I guess). Plus that completely forces romance she gets with Garrus - really?
Liara, Miranda, Jack and maybe even Samara and Kasumi have more too offer than her.

>>219327479
ME tv show will go full stallone and have her remove the helmet in episode 1.
Also pls don't insult my alien-fu

>>219327716
>have her remove the helmet in episode 1.
So she'll be dead by episode 2?
>insult
Not meant as an insult. I just don't see how she's more interesting than the characters I listed. I get why her romance appeals to many people. I just don't see the character's appeal as a character overall.

>>219325903
Wasn't the halo show script originally supposed to be mass effect?

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>>219327195
Cailee Spaeny

>>219327982
The ending slide was a stock photo too. I’m happy that hack Hudson’s studio closed down.
>Ex-BioWare Dev Casey Hudson's Studio Humanoid Origin Closes Down

>>219328141
Good, that man deserves nothing

>>219327195
Bella Ramsey.

They're probably sweating over whether to go Sheploo or Femshep. The fans were pretty split on which they liked more

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>>219328262
82% played as male Shepard.

>>219328209
Ugh. Keep the helmet on permanently

>>219328534
But the Femshep elitists are more vocal. I honestly can't stand Jennifer Hale's voice

>>219326110
Women are half the audience that Amazon is trying to cater to. What Amazon doesn't get is that women will watch any old shit with their man as long as they get to natter in his ear and get a big strong arm over their shoulder while he says "I'm trying to watch this"

>>219328262
>The fans were pretty split
No. The Mass Effect subr*ddit is split 60/40.
General audiences was 80/20, as >>219328534 said. Probably because the player base is majority male.
Hardcore fans (and hardcore RPG players) usually do multiple playthroughs and have multiple Shepards of both genders - but still consider one their favourite or their "canon". I'd assume most there skew male as well.
Besides, male (hetero) Shepard's romances all range from good to great (imo: Jack > Liara > Miranda > Tali > Ashley). Female (hetero) Shepard's romances range from decent to utterly terrible (Garrus > Thane > Kaidan > James), with James literally leaving her in ME3 for someone he accidently impregnated. Oh, and Thane does die in ME3 no matter what.
Lesbian female Shepard gets two pretty good options with Liara and Traynor though, but other than that, you're really better off just playing male Shepard (not gay, because then your only options are Kaidan, who should long be dead at that point anyway, and a grieving widower).

>>219328775
>I honestly can't stand Jennifer Hale's voice
Jennifer Hale puts a lot of emphasis on everything. Literally everything. That works kinda well if you go full paragon or full renegade. But if you roleplay and pick differently-coloured choices every now and then, she comes across as bipolar. Which makes for a ridiculous experience.
Mark Meer gets a lot of flack for being unemotive, but his generally more neutral tone means that you can go paragon or renegade and still get a consistent personality for your Shepard.

>>219325903
If they pick Femshep this is going to be Rangs of Power all over again. Literally just wasting hundreds of millions.
Can't wait

>>219325903
This will obviously suck, I can guarantee the version before the rewrite sucked even more. Most likely very woke and as much as I love ME it was proto woke especially with the gay romances so I'm guessing they will go down that route. If I was making it I would just do a direct adaptation of ME1 and then do a complete rewrite of ME2 and 3 and maybe do more seasons, use rge original storyline with the characters from 2 and 3 coming back. But this would take talent and a vision which Hollywood lacks and it would take a person that understands mass effect or at least played it and saw its failures to know how to fix it

>>219328534
Fem shep shills are a vocal minority. Male shep is iconic and his neutral voice acting fits the characters role and origins, he is a blank slate for the player . Also has the better romances.

>>219329301
Fem shep with a will they won't they Liara romance where she fucks and sucks every krogan cock in the galaxy. Galactic boss girl turbo whore.

>>219328534
femshep troons are so funny.

How the fuck have they learned nothing from the Halo series

>>219325903
>make known IP more appealing to casuals/non-fans
Why are we still doing this shit? Have they learned nothing from the past 10-20 years?

>>219325903
>Mass Effect TV show ordered to rewrite scripts and make them "more appealing to non-gamers"
Hahaha. You old cunt. That makes no sense!

>>219329588
Of course not. Hollywood is full of idiots in their own bubble who have no idea what their customers actually want.

>>219329835
not only is it full of idiots, but theyre getting increasingly dumber, desperate, and out of touch.

>>219329431
>proto woke especially with the gay romances
The original ME didn't have gay romances at all. A lesbian romance if you count Liara (her specias doesn't techincally have genders, but a female phenotype by other species' standards).
ME2 has neither gay nor lesiban romances. ME3 adds up to two gay romances (if Kaidan is alive) but they both suck (pun not intended) and one lesbian romance that.
The vast majority of romances across all games are straight.
Now, Dragon Age, that was the one where two thirds of the characters are bi (and, hey, at least it makes playing female characters more enjoyable).

>>219325903
>surely it will work this time
I wish I had so much money I could piss it away like these retards do

>>219326036
"Lost" ?

>>219329588
They know exactly what they’re doing. They hate video games and more importantly they hate you.

>>219329964
Liara looks like a woman so it's a gay romance (lesbian) even though she technically isn't. It's 2000s woke but edgy since you're liking lesbains to pwn the Bush voting evangelical chuds. 3 was very in your face with "hi I'm gay, nice to meet you" new characters.

>>219328262
It’s simple
Just have it start off as male Shepard and after he gets blown up they rebuild his body as femshep in the next season.

>>219326171
They need to spend a couple hundred million dollars to make the next "interactive" tv show of pick your own adventure

>>219325903
Mass effect was already for Normies

>>219327195
It's gonna be either Zendaya or Brie Larson, calling it now.

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>>219325903
FemShep

>>219330605
Brie is on a redemption arc right now. She's done with ragebait

>>219330364
>"hi I'm gay, nice to meet you" new characters
Tell that to the two dozen let's players I've seen that thought Traynor was a romance option for their male Shepard until she shut down their flirting. Oh, and Kaidan wasn't new, and for most people not in ME3 at all, but him suddenly turning gay for you came completely out of left field.

>>219330444
>switching from Sheploo to Femshep after the Normandy gets destroyed and he "dies"
>wakes up trans as rebuilt Femshep

Some Hollywood executive out there thinks this is genius

>>219325903
Hollywood has a rule which they don't hire fans of the works they adapt

>>219330660
Obviously it's not literally the first scene but the two new additions exist only for gay romance, the scene you describe is set up in a way to make your male shep try to romance and get rejected.

>>219330725
The only time it ever worked hiring someone who didn't like the source material was Chris Avellone for KotOR 2. He's been open about not liking Star Wars but managed to still write a story that didn't really piss anyone off and people actually liked it. Unlike Rian Johnson who also said he didn't like Star Wars.

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>Make moore appealing to non-gamers
>Set it after the 3rd game

>>219330871
chris is a great writer. and honestly i think of the last jedi ended with kylo and rey teaming up, the movie would have actually been received much better and a hook for an interesting conclusion to the trilogy

>>219328929
I dont get the garrus obsession, everything about thane is a lot more interesting. Id say hes more interesting than all of the female companions too. Save kasumi who you cant even romanance.
>>219325903
If they make their own thing and just make it a more violent star trek then it could work. If theyre going for a main female, she needs at least two secondary main males to support and carry the show.

>>219325903
So in other words, canceled after 2 obligatory seasons?

I'M ONLY HUMAN

>>219330871
i almost wanted to refute this but I got Chris Avellone mixed up with Michael Kirkbride, who wrote some pretty goddamn weird SW shit and kept injecting stupid sci-fi shit into TES like space dunmer and timeline-hopping giant robots

>"Oh hello there, Wrex."
>"Greetings and salutations, Shepard."

>>219330871
>Unlike Rian Johnson
TLJ is literally the only Star Wars that manages to be a genuinely good film, anon.

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>>219331069
>they release a 5 minute long YouTube video or just "Wrex" "Shepard" to promote their ass show

See you in 2028 for that trailer anons

>>219331138
It hints at good things. Like why the galaxy is always at war because of a war economy selling tie fighters and X-Wings to both sides. Interesting, but it went fucking no where.

>>219331138
The only decent one was rogue one. I actually kind of liked the han solo movie, I thought it was fun

>>219331138
Lmfao

>>219330927
>I dont get the garrus obsession, everything about thane is a lot more interesting.
Thane dies. And is still kinda hung up on his long dead wife. You don't romance a man close to certain death unless you're actively looking for misery. But, yes, I'd also consider him a more interesting character than Garrus.
But Garrus is the only (non-Kaidan) character a hetero femShep can have a full conclusive and happy-ending romance with.

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They won’t include this.

anyone remember 2010 /v/ where it was nothing but ME2 threads and the board got renamed after tali?

>>219331412
I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions

>>219331278
A misery romance is a better story device than generic army man painted alien

>>219331412
Well, considering that it's a pretty bad idea (not only because of missing out on war assets in ME3, but also because punching a reporter on-camera is extremely bad publicity that will turn public sentiment against you), no, they better not include this.

>>219331595
If you didn't punch her in all three games you were playing it wrong

>>219331595
> public sentiment
Lmao no it wouldn't. The joker was loved specifically because they did this. You mean critics would get mad

Mass effect was already like a tv show

>>219331699
ME2 especially felt very episodic

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>>219325903
>rewrite scripts and make them "more appealing to non-gamers"
It's all so tiresome.

>>219331827
>so we have this IP with an established fanbase
>let's make something they won't like and also normalfags won't like either

Like clockwork.

>>219331556
Maybe. But you have to be a very peculiar type of person to enjoy it more on an emotional level.
That being said, all four female hetero romances come with massive caveats that render all of them subpar:
Garrus is, as you said, very cookie-cutter. Both the character and the romance. He starts out as an asshole dirty-cop cliché in ME, but can completely change his personality by the end depending on what you do or do not let him do and how you talk to him (I never liked that aspect, you can do something similar to romanced Ashley and Kaiden as well, but "softening" Ashley is less noticably, and turning Kaidan into a literal hateful racist is fun). Then in ME2 he does rogue with his personal army anyway. There's nothing even hinting at romantic interest in ME, and suddenly heavy flirting in ME2.
Thane, as I said, dies. Misery porn, in a way.
Kaidan is Kaidan. The most boring character of them all by a long shot. You also have to kill off a more interesting character to keep him around.
And James ... yeah.

>>219331876
Fallout did it

>>219325903
gamers rise up

>>219331980
Fallout 4 fans liked it, classic Fallout fans don't

>>219331595
noo not the journalists

>>219332021
I dont like fallout 4 and I think its ok. But its only ok when goggins is around

>>219326027
it's code for black vegan transexuals telling everyone which pronouns they should use

all tv is made for women, they have creative control it

all asari will be black women with blue paint. get ready for big bell pepper nosed asari big lips

It's over...

>>219328534
Changing femshep to that redhead model was a terrible mistake

>>219334062
So over designed and so much makeup. They should have used a model like they did with Sheploo too

>>219334124
>They should have used a model like they did with Sheploo too
They also used a model for Jack's face. Probably why she's the prettiest.
Actresses for Miranda (obviously), Liara, Samara/Morinth, and an actor for Jacob.
A "journalist" for Diana Allers.
And, hillariously, a gay reality-TV participant for Kaidan.

>producer buys rights to a highly successful franchise
>decides he doesn't like it and is convinced it'll never be a success
>changes everything, ensuring its demise
Why do these retards always do this? They literally got hold of the franchise because it succeeded in the first place.

>>219327323
This would be amazing. But are you guys really gona watch a tv show with a black protagonist?

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>>219328929
>Hardcore fans (and hardcore RPG players) usually do multiple playthroughs and have multiple Shepards of both genders
I've never done a femshep playthrough.

>>219335432
You should. If only to see the slight differences, and to see how bad her romance options are in comparison. Hell, I dare you to go Kaidan -> James -> Kaidan for the lulz.

>>219325959
You are based and almost right.
Don't forget to add Starship troopers - Turrians are based on Federation and Rachni on... Arachnids.

>>219326171
>Mass Effect's pull was mainly the "YOUR CHOICES MATTER" tagline

>choices don't ever matter
(Second game was already soft reboot that ignored the first one)

>>219335432
i've only done femshep. im not staring at a man ass for 60+ hours like a fag

>>219335972
>Rachni on... Arachnids.
Rachni may look a lot like scorpions, with their pincers, but they are four-legged.

>>219336157
>im not staring at a man ass for 60+ hours like a fag
Dude, you're not supposed to stare at any arses for most of the game. The exception, of course, are those Miranda scenes in ME2.

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>>219334453
>A "journalist" for Diana Allers.
Her "voice acting" was dreadful.

>>219335432
Me neither. Role playing as a female is tranny behavior.

>>219325959
Of those I've only seen Babylon 5, but the parts they took from that alone are pretty significant

>>219325959
>Mass Effect is Babylon 5
Karpyshyn mostly copied Revelation Space with Citadel and the mankind as upstarts who lag behind most alien civilizations stolen from Babylon 5.

>>219334575
Usually I would say no but DS9 showed it can be done and Anderson is already established as something that’s not a “DEEZ FUCKIN WYPIPO” black person. Obviously it would be fucked up in some way in our current reality if it was produced but if things worked properly it would be an easy home run

Mass Effect wouldn't have adapted well. They are right to do rewrites. Anyone who thinks games can adapt straight to screen is dumb.

>>219336644
Mass Effect seems like it would be one of the easier to adapt video games in terms of changing very little.

>>219325903
I don't understand how people keep seeing interactive media and think "this will be great if we take the interactivity out of it". No, it won't. it was good BECAUSE it was a game. Why do non-gamers not understand this?? "Oh lets take every popular IP and make it into a show for our streaming platform. Mass Effect, yeah I know what that is!!!"
Fuck this gay earth

>>219331412
>If you keep hitting her throughout the games she dodges your punch in ME3.
>You then get a quicktime event to deliver a second punch to her
Bioware used to have such sovl.

>>219331138
It’s not a good movie even taken on it’s own
It’s awful as a Star Wars film

>>219331595
Yep, as we all know journalism's reputation has really grown in esteem since 2012 when ME3 came out.

They're going to portray that one bitch reporter as a bastion of journalism aren't they

>>219336801
>It’s not a good movie even taken on it’s own
No, not a good "movie". A great film though, by all metrics.

>>219336864
The one you can punch a lot?

>>219336885
Well, either her or >>219336234. Both aren't particularly beloved by the fandom.
Probably not Emily Wong.

I just can't get over Mass Effect 3. I was so hyped and it disappointed me more than any other media thing ever.

>>219325903
Will there it be like star trek star trek starfleet academy written to be more appealing to people who don't like star trek ?

I'm begining tp think all Amazon media output is some sort of mel brookes producers accounting scam at this point, it's too obviously designed to fail hard and make people annoyed

>>219336885
Yeah, if it's MaleShep, there's no way they'll have a running gag of him punching her at every encounter

>>219337029
Well I can confidently say they don't have the balls to have commander Shepard punching a reporter in the face as a reoccurring gag in a show, if nothing else. As for anything else who knows. I wouldn't plan on watching it anyway

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>It's a Samara scene

>>219337094
They know that's what the fans would want though. I wonder what the percentage of players who punched her in all 3 games is.

>>219337138
>it's an irl Samara scene
>literally die from sex

>>219337128
I'm completely baffled at the very concerpt of normies subscriping to any of these streaming platforms. Even logging into them, let alone paying monthly.Most of the have less of the top 3000 movies and TV shows than my kino room

>>219337063
It was rushed as hell, but seriously, the hype was the problem. It had no chance to ever live up to that.
Plus, the Citadel DLC fixed what was missing in character interactions.
And the Expanded Endings DLC, well, expanded on the endings and semi-fixed them; still very much a faux choice and only the destroy ending makes sense, but at least you get a bit of a conclusion now.

>>219325992
I mean, it worked for Star Wars and Star Trek, right? They wanted to make Star Wars and Star Trek that was for the modern audience, and not the built-in audience of those two IPs. Acolyte and Starfleet Academy are killing it in the ratings, am I right?

They're gonna add quips, not enough marvel-esque quips. It's too serious! Normies don't like serious it makes them feel awkward they need quippy jokes.

>>219337245
For amazon people just get it for free. It's not hard to do the same for netflix, but people actually do pay for it. As for any other one I have no idea why anyone would bother.
>>219337253
There was an expanded endings DLC? That's almost more insulting than what they initially were.

>>219336157
future troon
>>219336534
there's a lot more similarities w/ B5 than just that. for example, the whole premise of a cycle of war repeating every X thousand years by ancient forces that wipe galactic civilization clean

>>219337253
First time I played it I chose Synthesis then immediately reloaded my save and picked Destroy. Got the Shepard lives ending too. Fuck the Reapers and FUCK Salarians

I want Phoebe Tonkin as femshep.

Sex with Tali?

>>219337453
I still don't understand what synthesis even means. If it just magically means turning everyone into robots with somehow no mental fuckery involved sure it's great, but it even being on the table is just weird

>>219328534
Well that just means they won't mind when it's a gender switch. Fans will always watch.

>>219337340
>There was an expanded endings DLC? That's almost more insulting than what they initially were.
It adds an epilogue to all of them, narrated by Hackett (Destroy), Shepard (Control) or EDI (Synthesis) that basically shows all the companions and species. Also adds a scene of the Normandy crew putting Shepard's name on the memorial wall (or not doing so in case Shepard survived).
Also adds another ending choice by letting you shoot the "Starchild" rather than walking to one of the platforms, but that gives you a bad ending (narrated by Liara). And a few more minor scenes during the final mission.

>>219337340
>There was an expanded endings DLC?
It wasn't a real DLC, it was some free 'extra endings' patch they pumped out after the backlash - it basically just added some additional cutscenes to the end.

>>219336772
The last time they had the balls.

>>219337615
They've should've just made destroy canon (this is what 99% of players wanted and ended up choosing) and Shepard surviving, then set the Citadel DLC right after. That DLC is tonally wrong because they're partying while a galactic genocide is occurring.

>>219325903
shepard is going to be a gay black man who regularly fucks aliens calling it now

>>219325903
Who fucking cares? The games were casual garbage that catered to retards. They were shit.

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>Only black companion has a missing father, spends all of his days around firearms and immediately cheats on you between ME2 and 3.
Bioware really used to be a company committed to realism.

>>219337340
>For amazon people just get it for free. It's not hard to do the same for netflix,
I don't 'login; to shit to be monitored and spied on using the personal details I provided so as to watch ads and slop.

>>219337835
This

>>219337591
>If it just magically means turning everyone into robots with somehow no mental fuckery involved
It means turning all life into semi-robots (basically cyborgs). Possibly including non-sentient life (because, where do you draw the line anyway - is an ape sentient? A dog? A bird? An ant?). It also turns AIs into semi-organics - that is, EDI, the reapers and the geth. And, as seen in the green ending itself, it turns husks and other reaper-creatures into peaceful (and apparently now sentient again) cyborgs as well.
It's a massive clusterfuck. And, yes, if we are meant to believe that it creates lasting peace, it does mean "mental fuckery" and some loss of free will.
You're basically mind-raping the whole galaxy in that ending, in addition to genetically (?) altering them.

>>219326027
Literally what Mass Effect 2 and 3 did, but whatever. You didn't play the first one anyway. People only ever worship 2.

>>219337840
>cheats on you between ME2 and 3.
Not only that, he also gets that woman pregnant. Accidently. He does say he wants a future with her, but I wouldn't be surprised if he left her after the events of the game, when the child's actually born.

>>219337840
BioWare fans were unhappy with a Jacob's portrayal and whined that it popularises "harmful stereotypes" of black men kek.

>>219337880
Very strange strawman you’ve created out of nothing, anon. Well done.

>>219337880
>Literally what Mass Effect 2 and 3 did, but whatever. You didn't play the first one anyway.
Miranda's buttshots(which they removed in the Legendary Edition), Samara's huge tits, making Ashley feminine, punching a female journalist in three games were woke and progressive, comrade.

>>219338093
Apparently so few people romanced Jacob in ME2 that EA (or even Bioware themselves) didn't consider it worthwhile to put any ressources into his romance path in ME3. Instead they axed it completely and gave him this new relationship.
In other words, the fans themselves were at fault. Had they been more willing to date the standoffish boring black character, he might not have been pushed into the harmful stereotype teritory.

>>219338357
desu most of the ME2 romances end up becoming meaningless other than the Citadel DLC
>Jacob cheats on you
>Thane fucking dies
>Miranda is popping in and out of the Citadel for most of the game and most conversations with her are just MUH FATHER MUH SISTER shit.
>Jack appears in one side mission early on then just sits at a bar for the rest of the game
Only the Garrus and Tali romances are worth carrying over from 2 to 3

>>219338620
Jack and Miranda get pretty great intimate scenes even outside of the Citadel DLC. It fundamentally changes their interactions. The one thing they don't get is the sex scene before the final mission.
But they are definitely the two characters with the most development between 2 and 3. Romanced or not. But the romances make it even more poignant.

>>219337840
Jacob was just a fucking boring character.

>>219337591
Synthesis would turn everyone into the Borg

>>219338620
Tali's romance is great thanks to her popularity and despite her possible death in ME2.
Liara's romance got preferential treatment because she's a writer's pet.

>>219338620
You can get Liara back in 3

>>219339421
>Tali's romance is great
Only if you're into that kind of saccharine-sweet clingy ultra-devoted girlfriend archetype, really.
Tali was tailored to the kind of people who would obsess over her even in the first game. Just like Garrus was tailored to the female equivalent of those players.
>Liara's romance got preferential treatment because she's a writer's pet.
Kinda true, but Liara also is the only squadmate with main plot relevance in all three games. Hence why everyone else is expendable.

>>219339975
>Tali was made for the people who like her

Behold, the genius of the ME community.

>>219328262
That’s always been a lie.
Jennifer Hale was a popular VA at the time, so it was easy to convince people who never played femshep that she was better by default.
There’s good reasons why every single ME meme about Shepard is male Shepard

I got the trilogy for 5 bucks a month ago and replayed them all for the first time in like 15 years
I remember not giving a shit about James Vega, probably because he was introduced in the third game, but now without giving a shit about that, now I wish he'd been there the whole time, cut Kaiden AND Jacob

>>219328929
>you're really better off just playing male Shepard
Spoken like a true canuck
That motherfucker's voice is the worst thing in the series, I cannot take someone seriously when they have that disgusting fucking accent

>>219337379
The cycle of war is prevalent in both B5 & BSG (at least the reboot). Honestly it's a theme in Starship Troopers as well in a sense. I can't talk about Farscape though, haven't seen it.

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>>219325903
I'm mad but I have nothing better to say than this funny image

>>219340312
Vega is
>what if we put a gears of war character in mass effect?
which by the time ME3 rolled around, it ceased being a high concept sci-fi setting and just gears of war lite. so it was ok.

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>>219340312
The GOAT.
I always cuck him in his pull-up competition, though.

>>219340493
Yeah, I did that, I'd never even played the Citadel DLC before
I started the pull ups being like
>there better be a reward for this
and then towards the end I didn't care anymore and just wanted to break the record for fun

>>219340050
>community
Not sure what "community" you think I'm part of. I assure you, I'm only my own agent here.
Anyway, my main point was not that Tali was made to appeal to specific people who'd like her. That's true for pretty much all characters, and trivially so. My point is that you cannot call one romance great and disparage another just because said romance happens to appeal to you. Or rather, you can, but you should be aware that you're talking about your own taste, not about how it's somehow objectively better because of some outside factors (i.e. the character's popularity).
For example, I like Jack's romance best, by a long shot. The reason for that is that I love multi-layered characters, and peeling those layers away to get to know who they really are at their core. And Jack's romance did that masterfully.
I am very much aware that Jack was made and written that way, at least in part, to appeal to people like me. I'd argue her romance is great. But I do not pretend that the developers put in extra effort due to her being expected to be popular or anything like that. And I do understand that you might disagree and why you might disagree.
By the same logic, Tali's romance is not "great thanks to her populatity". But rather, Tali's romance is great for those she's popular with to begin with. Her popularity might have contributed to her getting a romance arc at all though.

>>219340663
>Or rather, you can, but you should be aware that you're talking about your own taste,
No, you fucking autist.
For example:
I don't like Jacob (opinion) and his romance sucks (objective statement)

>>219340365
>That motherfucker's voice is the worst thing in the series
Then maybe you shouldn't play Mass Effect at all. Because you hear that voice all around the Citadel: Every Elcor, every Hanar, every Volus and every Vorcha you encounter have that voice.

>>219340769
Yes, under filters and in phraseology where his disgusting Canadian accent is not discernible, unlike when you play as male shepard and have to sound like a fucking fag the whole time

>>219340764
>his romance sucks (objective statement)
You apparently aren't aware of the existence of female NTRfags ("cucks"). I strongly assume they love it.
And, no, that Tali's romance arc is "great" is not an objective statement at all. I thought we already agreed that if you're not someone Tali specifically appeals to, you have no reason to consider it great.

>>219328534
right, but all of the JOURNALISTS played as femshep. So it'll be femshep.

>>219340835
Well, if this matters so much to you, then you do you. But what do you do about the romance options? Always romance Liara?

>>219340922
>You apparently aren't aware of the existence of female NTRfags ("cucks"). I strongly assume they love it.
Sorry, autist, but the fact that people are sometimes missing an arm does not invalidate the objective supremacy of clothing designed for people with two arms.
Try again, but this time with the understanding that a minority can both exist but also be so small in comparison to the majority that you'd basically be a retard for even bringing it up.

>>219341026
>But what do you do about the romance options? Always romance Liara?
Yep. And the trilogy rewards you the most for doing so, and on top of that we dig up all the old tweets and interviews where those two hag VAs had irl dyke vibes to make it an even more immersive experience.

>>219341091
Fair enough. I personally like having different experiences for different playthroughs. But, like I said, you do you.

>>219341180
I have played as male shep, but not any time recently, and when I replayed the series for the first time in over a decade, I didn't bother with a male shepard playthrough
The experience is not different enough between male/femshep and the various romance options and killing or sparing the rachni queen or going into ME3 with one or two squadmates dead to really warrant replays, even the classes don't ultimately matter that much
Really replaying Mass Effect is a side effect of following the series as it came out, borne of naivety in thinking it would drastically change the story if the citadel council was dead

>tfw no Ardat-Yakshi gf to fuck me to death

>>219325903
Let's be honest, even if it was trying to appeal to gamers - the people who enjoyed ME don't actually want this because it's completely contrary to the experience of the game.

>>219341038
Not sure why you're trying to bring minorties and majorities into this and act as if people whom Tali appeals to were a majority. I know that loyal Tali romancers are VERY vocal, but, no, they are not a majority of players by a long shot. No single romance can make the claim that more than 50% of players go for it. And I'm pretty sure I've seen an official statistic released where Liara was the most romanced.

>>219327323
Send this to writers,you’ve summed up in one post what they’ll never be able to crap with in 30 hours of brainstorming.

>>219341428
You're the one who mentioned a fringe group of hypothetical female "NTRfags" to support the idea that Jacob isn't objectively bad
He is, that's it.
And there certainly weren't any vocal minority of "women" or anyone else ranting about how much they liked getting cucked
I don't even care about Tali, I wasn't the one talking about her, I specifically replied to you several posts in because I have a problem with autists who don't understand that we need to speak in generalities because if 8 people did something, and 2 didn't, those two outliers don't ultimately matter

>>219325903
>let's make a show about a popular game series
>also let's completely turn the show into something entirely different from the game series
Why?

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>>219325903
>3 out of space video games
>no ship 2 ship battles
Even more disapointing than part 3's endings

>>219341806
>ship 2 ship battles
Play Rogue Trader by BioWare East.

>>219341605
>You're the one who mentioned a fringe group of hypothetical female "NTRfags" to support the idea that Jacob isn't objectively bad
Yes. Because if it was "objectively bad", then no such fringe group fínding it great could exist.
You and I can agree that we find it bad. We can even list objective facts about it that contribute to why we find it bad, but that does not mean that those facts render it bad for everyone.

Example:
Jacob barely opens up to you, even if romanced (objective fact). That is bad (subjective opinion).
Jacob betrays you no matter what (objective fact). That makes his romance pointless (subjective opinion).

Someone else's thoughts:
Jacob barely opens up to you, even if romanced (objective fact). I like that kind of hard exterior (subjective opinion).
Jacob betrays you no matter what (objective fact). I'm really into that shit (subjective opinion).

And, yes, those who think it's great that Jacob betrays your Shepard and impregnates another women are clearly in a very tiny minority, but so what? Their opinions are still valid opinions.

>>219342034
>Yes. Because if it was "objectively bad", then no such fringe group fínding it great could exist.
No.
Just because you could find hundreds, even thousands of people who enjoy eating feces for whatever reason, the billions who do not enjoy eating feces make that minority so small as to be irrelevant in a discussion concerning how shit smells and tastes bad, or when comparing a piece of media to shit
You're autistic, like I said before, and don't understand the purpose or usefulness in generalities.

>>219342399
>the billions who do not enjoy eating feces make that minority so small as to be irrelevant in a discussion
"Irrelevant in a discussion" is not the same as "objectively untrue".
Besides, yes, while Jacob's romance is disliked by a majority large enough to render the outliers basically irrelevant, no, that does not reflect back to opinions on Tali's romance, or any of the other romances. All of those have their fans and detractors, and a huge amount of people who don't care a lot either way.
Which brings us back to the initial post that started this, even if it was not yours: We cannot just say that Tali's romance is objectively great, or great from the standpoint of a general opinion, or even just from the standpoint of a majority opinion. It's a romance that is tailored to specific people who are into that specific type of character and romance arc.

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>Amazon pushing to make the game focused thing not game focused
Shit like this is exactly why I don’t trust the Warhammer show regardless of Cavill being at the helm. These joyless corporate golems don’t give a flying fuck about what fans want, they just want to pump out slop for retards to seal clap and throw money at, and they’ll destroy anything that interferes with that goal.

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>>219342399
Objective badness doesn't exist. You're attempting to conjoin descriptive and normative concepts without making any effort to explain the massive leap in reasoning

>>219340922
>I thought we already agreed that if you're not someone Tali specifically appeals to, you have no reason to consider it great.
Yeah but those people are typically blueberry fuckers and thus have opinions that don’t matter.

>>219342941
>but those people are typically blueberry fuckers
You're acting as if only the Liara and Tali romances existed.

>>219342788
>"Irrelevant in a discussion" is not the same as "objectively untrue".
Sorry, but it is.
Another example
A man, mid 30s, brown hair.
He has a few grey hairs, as well.
I say he has brown hair, you spazz like a robot because I didn't specify that his brown hair has, if you look closely, the beginning of what could eventually, given a few years, become a grey streak, which in your mind renders him not a man with brown hair anymore

>>219343056
>You're acting as if only the Liara and Tali romances existed.
Those are the only good ones, any other choice reflects poorly upon the player

>>219325903
>bioware is pretty much dead
>EA was aquired by the saudi's
>trying to make a new mass efffect
>hope to make show to drum up attention from normalfags
So its a given that they will make the game abysmal slop to appeal to the audience brought in from the show. Reminds me of that Netflix cartoon they made for Dragon Age. Remember that? No? Exactly.

>Mass Effect 1
high concept science fiction kino
>Mass Effect after 1
generic action science fantasy slop

>>219343064
>Sorry, but it is.
No, it is not, see what anon posted here: >>219342881
>which in your mind renders him not a man with brown hair anymore
No. "With brown hair" just means that the hair appears brown overall. Hillariously, it could also describe having one single brown hair shaft.
By the way, whether someone whose brown hair is going grey has brown or grey hair is not something that can objectively resolved either. During the gradual process, you have to make a subjective judgement at any point.

>>219343099
>Those are the only good ones
I disagree. And you're not making a convincing case.

>>219343318
>Hillariously, it could also describe having one single brown hair shaft.
I think you mean "ESL-ly" it could be described as that, because what the fuck is a "hair shaft"?
Don't tell me I've been talking to an ESL this whole time about what matters and what doesn't, no wonder you'd be obsessed with outliers

>>219343355
Ashley looks straight up retarded and Miranda looks like Michael Jackson

>>219343355
I don't need to make a case against an ashley, miranda, or jackfag

>>219343056
I said “typically”, which implies there are other romances. But the only other romance I acknowledge with any modicum of respect is Garrus.

>>219343428
>because what the fuck is a "hair shaft"?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/hair-shaft
>The hair shaft is defined as the structure of hair composed of three layers: the medulla (the innermost layer), the cortex (the middle layer providing strength, color, and texture), and the cuticle (the outer thin and colorless layer).
You could have googled that yourself.
Maybe you're the one who should work on your English vocabulary?

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>>219327260
Rex.

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Cast him.

>>219343546
>Maybe you're the one who should work on your English vocabulary?
No, because I learned English from from speaking it my entire life.
Are there any other weird words that the average native english speake wouldn't know that that you learned from from some kind of textbook while studying the language (as an adult) that you'd like to wow me with?

>>219343647
NTA but hair shafts are something you’re supposed to learn about in your average highschool anatomy class.

>>219343618
Jared Leto

>>219343473
No one was talking about looks. Not primarily anyway.

>>219343532
>But the only other romance I acknowledge with any modicum of respect is Garrus.
Makes sense. Garrus' and Tali's romances are very similar in how much they try to sell that very rose-tinted relationship with an utterly devoted girlfriend/boyfriend who looks at you in awe ideal.
For me, personally, that makes both romances less interesting.

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>>219343751
I could definitely read this in his voice.

>>219343647
>the average native english speake wouldn't know that that you learned from from some kind of textbook while studying the language
Funny. Because foreign language textbooks are usually not very concerned with teaching you about biology in said foreign language. They're more about getting the basic vocabulary into your head.

>>219343618
>Asian
>Tries desperately to be cool
>Regarded as a pathetic laughing stock by everyone
The role that Simu Liu was born for.

>>219343799
>an utterly devoted girlfriend/boyfriend who looks at you in awe ideal
You say this like it’s a bad thing. A partner who’s devoted and views you in a way that should, if you’re a well adjusted human being, that makes you strive to match the image of you they have in their head should be the standard.

>>219343799
>very rose-tinted relationship with an utterly devoted girlfriend/boyfriend who looks at you in awe ideal.
what's this fucking epic Mass Effect romance you like better where this DOESN'T happen?

>>219344372
>what's this fucking epic Mass Effect romance you like better where this DOESN'T happen?
Well, it doesn't happen in any of the others to that extent, except maybe Liara's in the first game.
I've stated before in the other discussion: I'm partial to Jack's romance, because she reveals a lot about her personality over the course of the romance arc. She doesn't really ever give this "perfect girlfriend" vibe. She makes it clear that she's afraid of intimacy, and that she considers loving risky. It feels real in how you both have to put in work and a lot of trust to make the relationship flourish. In the end you do get to a point where you have intimacy, but Jack still gives you shit when she disagrees with you. First thing she does in ME3 is to hit you in your face because you were stupid enough to get yourself house-arrested in the Alliance HQ, and kisses you right after that. (Non-romanced Jack hits you for having trusted Cerberus, by the way.)
If that's not your kind of thing, I get it. It's not a romance arc for everyone. But, please understand, neither is Tali's.

>>219336755
all they need to do is star trek but more violent and have a personable male lead and it will do well

>>219345240
>my favorite shepard romance is the one where he/she overcomes the other person's emotional baggage and then fucks them
you know miranda is also vocally afraid of intimacy too, right, and doesn't trust shepard at first and even dislikes shepard for reasons she later sees as illegitimate

>>219326284
Or FemShep railing her strap on inside Liara or Jack.

>>219345651
>and then fucks them
Except that's not what the romance is about. If you want to "fuck" Jack, you can do so after talking to her two or three times, without getting to know her. She considers it transactional and it locks you out of getting to know her. The actual romance scene right before the ME2 finale is way less graphic and less suggestive than most others. To the point where I've seen people argue that they don't even sleep with each other at that point.
>overcomes the other person's emotional baggage
Also not quite true. Jack's romance arc is not about overcoming her trauma. It's about accepting it. There's the literal dialogue-tree option "I admit it, I can't fix this." right before locking in her romance.
Jack does overcome a lot of her baggage by herself, romanced or not, between games as she becomes a teacher.

>miranda is also vocally afraid of intimacy too
>doesn't trust shepard at first
Right. And I also think that Miranda is quite intriguing as both a character and a romance. Miranda's issues have a lot to do with self-esteem though, with not living up to the perfect human being she was engineered to be.
Miranda and Jack being similar in some regards works well for the dynamic between those those two as well, where in the Citadel DLC, if played after successfully finishing both their stories in ME3, they come to a point of mutual respect and maybe even friendship. But that's a whole other discussion to be had.

Am I the only one who hopes this gets cancelled?
I don't want them to ruin my childhood.

>>219347232
>I don't want them to ruin my childhood.
Just don't watch it, anon.
It just existing doesn't ruin anything about your childhood experiences.

>>219343841
This is the funniest thing in the entire series.

>>219341806
The space battles in the cutscenes looked pretty lame. Where even are the battle stations on either Normandy anyway?

>>219347232
I was a senior in HS when ME1 came out and it’s your childhood. Feels old man.

>>219347656
>Where even are the battle stations on either Normandy anyway?
The Normandy is not a battleship. It does have cannons, but its main purpose is infiltration and surveilance. Hence its cloaking capabilities.

>>219347591
>beat him without taking any damage
>lose in a cutscene
yeah i was mad

>>219347508
It existing gives retarded secondaries the idea that they know it and are now free to come to places that actually know it to flaunt their ignorance and call people incels/gate keepers when they're told they're secondaries who need to lurk moar.

>>219328534
I made a black dude with an afro because I thought it would be funny. And it was.

>>219347988
Yeah, maybe. But idiots always exist and are best ignored. And if you really cannot ignore them, correct them and highlight how the games were better than what they believe Mass Effect is.

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>>219325903
I'm 35, I never played most "big classic games" since I was busy being a multiplayer bro wasting time grinding.
I didn't play anything bethesda, anything beyond gta3, any RDR, deus ex, mass effect, any souls-like, basically any GOTY winner or nominee.
I'm thinking of going through a big list of games. It might take me years but I feel like I missed out on tons of essential entertainment heritage.
How is the piracy situation these days? Can I reliably install this shit or will I get some computer AIDS? Also how many of this crap is platform exclusive? I know I won't be bothering with anything to do with Nintendo, but are there big important games that are PS exclusive that can't run on PC?.

>>219349471
you sound like a fag
the mass effect trilogy package was 5 dollars on steam for like the past two months but now it's back up to 60 dollars

>>219349471
>How is the piracy situation these days? Can I reliably install this shit or will I get some computer AIDS?
Literally depends on where you get it from. Try googling wankergames.
>Also how many of this crap is platform exclusive?
Barely anything anymore, simply because console gaming is dying and everyone knows it.

>>219349548
>the mass effect trilogy package
If you buy it fresh, you'd simply buy the Legendary Edition nowadays. The rebalancing they did for the first game in particular benefits its gameplay a lot.

>>219349680
>If you buy it fresh, you'd simply buy the Legendary Edition nowadays
That's what I'm talking about.
It was 4.99 for a long ass time, now it's back at 59.99.

>>219349961
Interesting. Definitely worth 5 bucks, not necessarily 60 though. Even with the graphical updates, the games show their age.

Tali is best girl. Liara is fat and mid.

>>219350251
>Liara is fat
By what metrics? She pretty much shares a body model with all other Asari.

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>>219326036
how else can they have krogans wear skirts?

>>219338620
I'm honestly surprised Miranda wasn't returned for ME3.

>>219354819
>how else can they have krogans wear skirts?
Well, it's established that there is an "Interspecies Community Theatre" that put on some Gilbert and Sullivan when Mordin was there.
Not too much of a stretch that they have Krogan actors, or that they'd perform some ballet from Earth. Maybe Swan Lake.
You'd just need to find an excuse to show that performance in the series and you'd get your Krogan in a tutu.

>>219340922
>You apparently aren't aware of the existence of female NTRfags ("cucks"). I strongly assume they love it.
Then why don't you provide some evidence of these female NTRfags loving Jacob?

>>219356108
Elcor Hamlet as well.

>>219356733
Because I don't want to comb the old Bioware forum archives, nor fucking r*ddit (or even worse t*mblr) for one or two posts by some crazy freak. I don't have that little of a life. But considering that "cuckqueans" are actually a thing, and there is a somewhat sizable female fanbase for the Mass Effect trilogy, and there are some actual Jacob fans out there, there is a good probability that there exists an intersection between those three sets.

>>219357411
Why must there be an intersection between groups of people that are already extremely small?

>>219325903
twisted metal did the exact opposite of this and it's the highest rated show on peacock btw

>>219357472
because if 1 person like that exists, he feels it completely invalidates jacob being a shitty character that no one likes
because
>TECHNICALLY
1 person does like him, so you can't say "no one" or else he'll sperg

>>219357472
>groups of people that are already extremely small?
The only small set of these is Jacob fans, believe it or not.
Bioware games always had more female players than games usually do. And if we go by the statistics here >>219328534, I'd say at least 15% of them being female seems a sensible estimation (even though player gender and character gender don't necessarily align).
And women having weird sexual fetishes is disturbingly common. They love to pretend that men only think with their dicks, but they are way more depraved. Just look at shit like 50 Shades selling like crazy.
Besides, even if we were dealing with small groups all around, since the player base for Mass Effect over the last 20 years is massive, the Principle of Improbability comes into play: Improbable things tend to happen all the time - like people winning the lottery despite it being highly improbably for anyone to do so.

>>219357619
>it completely invalidates jacob being a shitty character that no one likes
Congrats, you completely missed the point.

>>219357741
sorry autist
jacob sucks and nobody likes him, and digging through 15 year old forum posts where someone says they do like jacob wouldn't change that fact

>>219357710
Female players are way less than 15%. I am sure that most femshep players are male.
Even then, the series is old and even the upper estimate of female fanbase is at most in the tens of thousands nowadays, but most likely just a few thousand in total.
Out of those you have to select only the ones that like to get cucked, like Jacob and think that the cuckening is so well written that it tickles them in the right way.

I don't believe it's that unreasonable to say there is a good chance there's not even 1 woman on this planet that fits that bill.

>>219357805
>jacob sucks
True.
>nobody likes him
False.
https://fextralife.com/forums/t256530/i-like-jacob
First google result that isn't from r*ddit, but you can find even more threads there. Just google:
mass effect "i like jacob"
>15 year old forum posts where someone says they do like jacob wouldn't change that fact
People confessing to liking Jacob does not imply that there are people who like Jacob? Really?

Also, you are still missing the point. It was never about whether or not someone likes Jacob, but about fucking opinions not being objective.

>>219357840
>Female players are way less than 15%. I am sure that most femshep players are male.
If we were talking about any studio but Bioware, sure. But there really is a sizable female playerbase for them. There are (unofficial but credible) fan polls out there where they make up up to 40% of voters. And, yes, that number is inflated because fans who are so invested they partake in fan polls are not your average players. But it demonstrates that a Bioware RPG fanbase is not as exclusively male as a Counterstrike one may be.
And, yes, many men play female Shepards. But there's also women who play male Shepards.

>>219358153
The first ME is similar in themes to old scifi shows like Babylon5 and oldtrek, the newer ones are more dudebro oriented. None of them are made with women in mind outside of the poorly written and awkward romances.
Even Larian that makes more female-friendly RPG's has a very small percentage of its fanbase made out of women.

Women liked Dragon Age a lot more but those fans have been killed off by Veilguard.

>>219337280
Retard. There were almost no video games when STAR WARS and Star Trek were created. Ralph Baer didn't make his modified radar game until the mid to late 1950s. Trek didn't come out until a couple years before Baer signed his invention to Magnavox for the Odyssey.

And when STAR WARS finally came out, the video game market was brand new and had barely any demand. Arcades were new and niche. "Gamer Demand" didn't matter at all until the early 90s with such films as Double Dragon, Super Mario Brothers and Mortal Kombat.
[SPOILER] Only one of those 3 are currently recognized as "good".

"Modern Audience" is a bullshit term engineered to wash away the culture of a subculture.
BTW, I'm drunk. I don't give a fuck.
A buddy of mine and I did a school project way back in the 00s involving video games. And we personally got to speak with Ralph Baer.
There were no videogames when Trek was created. When STAR WARS hit the scene the only game they had to bank on was the 1983 game that came out 6 years after the original.

>>219358246
>None of them are made with women in mind
Ideally, no games should be made with specific genders in mind. Nor films, books, pieces of music or anything.
And, again, judging by self-selective polls, Mass Effect is just as popular with women as Dragon Age or Baldur's Gate 3 (and guess who made Baldur's Gate 1 and 2).
There are, of course, no official statistics on player gender for any of them, simply because a studio has no way of finding out who plays the game, just about how the game is played. So we do have to rely on self-reported data and try to extrapolate.

>>219358382
>Ideally, no games should be made with specific genders in mind.
You think you have that choice? Men and women don't like the same things on average.
>And, again, judging by self-selective polls, Mass Effect is just as popular with women as Dragon Age or Baldur's Gate 3
I don't believe that for a second, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

>>219357505
I hardly hear people talk about it but the IMDB reviews are pretty good i see.

>>219358452
>You think you have that choice? Men and women don't like the same things on average.
That doesn't mean you have to cater to one or the other. Or even to either of them. Ideally, we want art to be an artists vision, not some corporate product made to gain maximum profit by catering to a focus group.
>I don't believe that for a second
Well, like I said, we don't have hard data on that. I'm willing to go with the soft data as good as I can, but I accept that you'd disagree. There's too much speculation involved in the whole thing.

>>219358382
>Ideally, no games should be made with specific genders in mind.
lol

>>219325903
No one cares. legitimately no one.

>>219358651
>That doesn't mean you have to cater to one or the other.
And how would you do that? If you make something that focuses on action, you will cater to men. If you make something that focuses on interpersonal relationships, you will cater to women.
>corporate product made to gain maximum profit by catering to a focus group.
Ironic, modern corporations hate pandering to men.