I love this movie but it is ridiculous that the Wayne Employees would see a fucking terraformer a block away from their building and chose to not move until Bruce calls them.
>>219338456I didn't like it because it felt like half an apology over Man of Steel.If Snyder simply ignored the le heckin wholesome crowd and continued making what he wanted without walking back we'd be having threads about Justice League 3 now.
>>219338456The people who willfully go stupid and feign ignorance at the Martha scene made it certified kino, for me>hurr Batman let Superman live because his mom has the same nameNo, stupid. It was the last thing Bruce's father said and it threw him off and made him realise he was no better than the thief in that alley. Nope. Don't even bother.
>>219338553>we'd be having threads about Justice League 3 now.Why aren't we having threads about Rebel Moon 3?
>>219338907>gets buckbroken by retards who didn't understand simple movies and got enraged when they weren't riddled with quips>tries to pander to them against his own nature with BvS>the only decent thing he made since was Justice League, and only after unfucking Joss's faggotryThe moral of the story is never listen to reddit ever.
>>219338456>I love this movie
>>219338456>it is ridiculous that the Wayne Employees would see a fucking terraformer a block away from their building and chose to not move until Bruce calls them.They were terrified and didn't know where to go. Look at 9-11. Some of those people thought it was safer in the building.
What's more ridiculous is packing 3 movies worth of plotlines into 1 movie
>>219339091theyre idiots lmao. youre always safer on the ground rather than high up on a multi-story steel and concrete shitshow just waiting to collapse on you. theres a similar scene in Man of Steel where the Daily Planet staff is watching the ship literally fucking level Metropolis and the building one block next to them gets completely annihilated and this is when Perry decides to start shouting>ok everyone we're leaving the building
>>219338907Because Snyder betrayed me and made it so the water girl wasn't the princess, despite hinting at that heavily in the first movie. I blame the new writers working with him in that franchise.
I fucking love this movie and used to create huge threads here years ago dissecting every frame of the movie with pictures from it.
>>219338456>>219339586What you’re looking at is a form of spectator syndrome. A lot of people sort of loosely dissociate in disaster scenarios. You remember that massive tsunami that hit Indonesia back in 2004? Tons and tons of the casualties were tourists, people with enough education and pop-culture osmotic knowledge about disasters to know what the warning signs meant. But what did they do? They walked out, in some cases half a mile or more, into the seabed exposed when the ocean receded. People do stupid shit during disasters.
>>219339776Me too, man. It’s my absolute favorite comic book movie.
>>219339009Whedon cut was superior to Sneeder's. Completely vindicated.
>>219339776Let’s talk, fren. I’m gonna repost something from a few days back. It’s all the stuff I inferred about Snyder’s worldbuilding and a loose backhistory. Tell me how closely it aligns with what you think:Generalizations:Magic is born of equal parts imagination, belief, and worship.If the people stop believing in the magic (in their myths), it calcifies into a sort of ore that is a powerful energy source, but also poisonous to the now-unbelieving culture, and since “only magic draws blood from magic” (from Shazam), it can still wound mythic beings (the “Eternium” ore from Black Adam)This isn’t just true of Earth, it’s true of all worlds with intelligent life. Including Krypton.Inferred history from context clues scattered throughout the films:In the distant past, Oans (also known as the Guardians of the Universe) visited Krypton and derived their Green Lantern rings from the study of Kryptonians’ telekinetic aura. Millennia later, the Kryptonians entered their Golden Age of exploration. This brought them to Earth for the first time and resulted in humanity’s First Contact with the Kryptonians in the form of Kara El, Superman’s “cousin,” 20,000 years removed. This event gives rise to the first Heroic Age and the Atlanteans - Kara’s hybrid descendants.Heroes, Gods, and MonstersThese entities are born of mankind’s hopes and fears, and under the appropriate circumstances, anyone can become one. What it takes is capturing mankind’s imagination in one way or another, becoming symbolic of something that resonates with Jungian figures from the collective unconscious. The strength of such figures can vary with the power of their myths and humanity’s belief in them. Earth’s “Old Gods” existed in symbiosis with humanity, whereas the invading “New Gods” are a parasitic divinity that amasses power by subjugating more and more worlds and harvesting their magical “ore” for their value as a fuel source.
>>219340506I don't like to comment about things that weren't either in the movies, or exposed in interviews, and unfortunately we never got to see what Snyder and other directors were planning for the Green Lanterns or that Green Lantern Corps movie project. What i can tell you is that Snyder is a huge fan of comic writers like Alan Moore, John Byrne, and Grant Morrison, despite some of these writers not jiving so much with his own takes on these characters. Because of this what Snyder was trying to adapt was this interpretation from Byrne and Morrison about imagination being power and there being this godwave that could turn people into godlike beings in a way, including the fact that were several waves of this phenomenon. For example Darkseid and his people were New Gods, from the Fourth World, this after the gods of old sort of inspired by the Norse gods died in a apocalyptic all-out war.And Morrison played a lot with the idea that the DC heroes like Superman, Batman, and so on were going to eventually supplant them creating a "Fifth World". Morrison also liked to play the idea that time and nature is cyclical and because of that you had several versions of King Arthur, and several important groups of heroes made up of twelve. That even Christ and his Apostles were something like this. So Superman and the Justice League were like a new pantheon of heroes and even gods.As you can see a lot of this play on the idea of the Monomyth, from Joseph Campbell, which Snyder is also a fan of. So Snyder was definitely playing with this idea. That the Justice League were just the new incarnation of heroes and godlike beings of old, that the existence of Superman was sort of making the heroes of old return alongside new heroes bringing back a time of myth and wonder, that this war against Darkseid was repeating yet again where humanity and all its heroes are united once again, and so on. That this whole thing is rather predestined and divine.
>>219340506Continuing, you can see a lot of this in the first Wonder Woman movie that saw a lot of involvement from Snyder. Ares was thought of to be the ultimate bad guy, but as he says in the movie he barely did anything and even his existence and power depend on humanity's nature and beliefs. This would have been even more apparent in the original third act that was reshot by the studio, where he doesn't fight Wonder Woman and just disappear. Then you've the Justice League more where we see the three gods, Zeus, Ares, and Artemis, helping humanity battle Darkseid. If you pay attention their actions and movements mirror visually that of Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman in BvS when they fought off Doomsday. I didn't watch Shazam, so i can comment much about it but from the little i know they also played with a bit with that interpretation. So you're not wrong about your views regarding these movies.
>>219341472>If you pay attention their actions and movements mirror visually that of Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman in BvS when they fought off DoomsdayWow, can’t believe I didn’t notice that. Great catch. Personally, I’ve always believed that Snyder’s Superman also has a sort of metacommentary component to him, how his “arrival” in comics heralded the age of comic heroes. In-universe, I think he, and Kryptonians in general, inspire humanity’s imagination, but having humanity fixate on him doesn’t really do much for him under ordinary circumstances, and all that “godmaking” magic allows for other metas to come into being. And when I say “under ordinary circumstances, I mean that we still see it manifest in some extraordinary ones. When Perry White refuses to abandon that lady in the rubble, I think it’s intended to have two meanings - one that Perry’s heroic in his own right, but on the other, that Perry has faith that something’s going to save them, and it’s at that precise moment that we cut to Clark standing up to the full force of the World Engine, something he shouldn’t technically have been capable of doing considering how it was weakening him.
>>219338838HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME?IT'S HIS MOTHER'S NAME!!!
You're not wrong at all regarding Perry White. Most of the time when Snyder wants to tell something without spelling it out, he does so visually. So when you see in BvS that statue of Superman that Metropolis made to honor his heroism, the pose with his stretching his arm down for someone or something, that is the mirror image of White's action in that exact scene of MoS.
And here is what i said about Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman being depicted as the new incarnation of the older gods. I find it funny that Batman is not channeling Ares, but Artemis (the goddess of the hunt)
>>219338838The themes of the three movies are very patriarichal. There's a lot of emphasis put on the father and what it means to be a good father or bad. It's no wonder the people who love these movies tend to have grown up in fatherless homes. While the people who hate them, blindly, are trannies with a grudge against men.
And here's Zack Snyder pretty much stating the obvious, that the heroes of ancient times shown in the prologue of Justice League were sort of like the heroes of their time, and that the superheroes of today were pretty much following their steps even if they aren't aware of it. That everything is cyclical in a way.
>>219347297>leageCome on man...
>>219338456Take Batman out of the movie entirely, replace Bruce in the opening with Lex played by Vin Deisel, and notice how much more the movie gets better.
Here's another thing, showing that it wasn't just about being a hero in the physical sense. BvS specially draws parallel between Superman and King Arthur, but in between them also the two and the president John F. Kennedy, showing that JFK was a time in America history where you sort of had this heroic Arthurian figure.
More parallel shots please
Less parallel shots please
>>219338456The writing on that movie doesn't make any sense. To be fair, nothing does.The purpose of that blockbuster was to look as cool and epic as possible, so don't overthink it.
>>219352074it all makes sense, you saying that just shows how retarded you are. Crazy you got filtered by such a simple movie.
Bunp
movie so based
>>219349858>bottom leftJust coincidental. It's an actual line from the Dark Knight Returns book
the thing that always throws people off is the title in factIts not Batman VS (VERSUS) Supermanits Batman V Superman as in a court case Vthis is a clash of ideology played out at a grand mythic scaletoo smart for comic book movie genre
>>219359250That doesn't stop from being used by the movie in a different way.
>>219359250you have to be retarded to think that's coincidental, it being from the Dark Knight Returns if anything lends more creedence to being on purpose. Snyder or Terrio likely saw the line in the comic then it inspired the parallel line in the movie.God you're so fucking stupid thinking that just because it is in the source material that somehow means it wasnt on purpose.
>>219346992In MoS, snyder emphasize on father figure, in BvS he emphasize on mother figure.
>>219362027And in Justice League, he does it on the sons. This is why the fathers and the mothers don't appear much. At most, just their voices.
>>219340157Yeah, in indonesia case is the people never know about tsunami warning sign and just seeing that the sea water regressed suddenly and then the fishes laying on the ground for easy capture, what they did was running to caught as many as they can and suddenly the seawater returns back and killing them en masse.
I fucking love BvS so much. Easily my favorite among the DCEU moves, even among the Snyder's movies.
I also love how the entire fight between Superman and Batman, is just Batman reliving his childhood trauma after losing his parents. Every scene is a visual recreation of the prologue of their deaths and their funeral shown at the beginning.
>>219339586>always safer on the groundThe ground that is currently being terraformed to be toxic to humans?
>>219362336i'm just kinda disappointed that this fight is a bit short unlike in the cartoon
>>219350158These scenes are also a bigger commentary on MoS, and what Superman is trying to deal with in both MoS and BvS. The fact that the entire world is on his shoulders, he is getting overwhelmed by the expectations, and he doesn't know what to do or how to respond. And the answer being is to make a big and scary concept into something small and personal.
>>219346439>Most of the time when Snyder wants to tell something without spelling it out, he does so visuallyHe's a great visual storyteller but studios hates it because it extend the runtime to more than 2 hour and the theatrical cut as usual becoming weird dysjunctional shit >>219362293i love all his capeshit trilogy man, shame normies prefer 1960's batman style capeshit
>>219362293Martha
In MoS, the true Krypton—depicted in the comics as an idealized city of tomorrow, is represented by the Codex that Jor-El hid within Superman’s DNA. The Codex contains the bloodline of the Kryptonians, especially those from the planet’s golden age. That history and its significance are carried within him. Similarly, the Fortress of Solitude in the comics is a massive monument to the lost Krypton, a place where Superman can be alone or learn from the ghost of his father, Jor-El. In BvS, the iconic ice-and-crystal fortress is replaced by Superman climbing the mountains to speak with his deceased father, Jonathan.
>>219362975And in both movies, this concept, the internalization of Krypton by Superman, is just there sort of visually for the audience to feel it.
>>219361809>>219361464I say coincidental because they had no plans to even do BvS when making Man of Steel. Having a line like that just happens to fit. I'm not saying its bad. Just that it's circumstantial
>>219338456I will say that Ben Affleck going from comforting the little girl to looking up at the carnage with all that anger still gives me chills. That was some great acting with barely a word spoken.
Not to mention, in the same movie (BvS), there’s a clear parallel with Batman doing something similar. He visits the burned-out remains of his childhood mansion to reflect on his family’s past and purpose. He even chats with his “foster father,” but while Superman searches for answers, Batman resigns himself to his fate with a more cynical outlook.
>>219363248People tend to do this a lot. You'll esoecially see it in Twin Peaks threads. The audience becomes overly determined to prove the director is a Machiavalian level genius who planned everything from the start. Maybe there aren't as many parallels as you think and Snyder is just a hack director who can't break away from a certain style of filming.It's purely because once upon a time a Hobo who worships a spaghetti monster wrote a graphic novel about an Owl Man and a giant naked blue dude. Now everything has to be some 4-D chess tournament.
Continuing with the visual motifs, the movie often shows Batman in the distance, wandering through lush, overgrown fields, visibly troubled. It’s only in the final moments that we see him walking along a clear, open road.
In a few years people will appreciate these movies the same way people appreciate Ang Lee's Hulk. And I hate it.
>>219338456Given everything that was going on it was literally safer inside
>>219363544 Dude, it’s one thing to point out that many of the lines in MoS and BvS aren’t Snyder’s inventions but come from comics like All-Star Superman and The Dark Knight Returns, or that when Snyder filmed MoS, most of these lines weren’t meant to perfectly fit into a trilogy. But it’s just foolish to suggest that none of this was intentional. It’s clear as day. There are actual interviews where Snyder talks about some of it. Take, for example, my picture showing Doomsday killing Superman in BvS, which directly mirrors the way Zod killed Jor in MoS, with the added twist that in BvS, Doomsday is actually the reanimated corpse of Zod. On top of that, the scene nods to a moment in Excalibur, the 80’s film about the King Arthur legend, where Mordred impales King Arthur. In that movie, Mordred embodies Arthur’s sin, a concept echoed in BvS, where Doomsday symbolizes Superman’s sins from MoS.
>>219363750It was safe right up until Zod and Superman crashed into it. But shit was so unpredictable I can see why Bruce would make some bad calls. That's why Wally was like "you're the boss, boss". Everyone trusted him. But Bruce was unprepared and people died.
>>219364024Snyder really love this movie. He talked a long time ago about making a King Arthur movie, but taking place during the American Gold Rush. This was ages ago. Same with the George Washington movie.I unironically kind of hate how he got so bogged down with the Rebel Moon shit. It was such a boring project compared to all the other ideas he talked about in the past.
>>219364024I never said none of it was intentded and I would never say that. What I said is sometimes people stare too deep at this shit and end up making something out if nothing. Snyder would literally post a picture of a sandwhuch on a stack of books and people began trying to see how each book fit into the themes of Justice League. What I like about these movies is you can watch it multiple ways. If you just want to see it as two men in tights beat each other before teaming up against a mad scientist and his monster you can have that. If you want to see it as a commentary of 9/11 and its fallout you can. If you want to see it as a retelling of Moby Dick with a King Arthur spin you got itIf you want to see the various themes about Fatherhood, Godhood, and Redemption have at it.
>>219362293>>219338838>>219363667You know what's amazing about the Martha moment? Throughout this movie Batman slowly becomes the very unfeeling monster that he thinks Superman is but he never takes the final plunge. So he starts by branding criminals (sex traffickers) We see that people who have the Bat brand tend to be killed in jail. Fine maybe he can deny knowing the results the brand would bring. The next thing is the disregard he shows when trying to get the kryptonite. He'll let criminals shoot at each other and get into lethal crashes. He still isn't causing deaths but its a still kind of shitty. The last step is to actually kill Superman. Obviously he doesn't but he is completely different than where he was heading. I think the worst thing he does is kick a grenade which some thug grabs. So I could be over analysing.
>>219364400It's crazy that Clark and Bruce's mothers share the same first name.
>>219364400Fuck you for liking this movie. Clown
>>219365557Well why DON'T you like this movie?
