Criminally underrated and completely on par with TNG and DS9
Now try actually watching it.
>>219348854I have, and I would again
It's really stupid.BTW the whole premise is flawed. They didn't need to strand themselves, they could've blown up the array after they used it to get home.
>>219349045>it's really stupidSo is a lot of trek but that's not the pointI want entertaining non grim bottle stories
>>219348820Maybe on planet retard
>>219348820VOY and ENT hold up. I dont think they are as good as TNG or DS9, but they are actually Trek and got a lot of underserved hate at the time, probably because of Trek fatigue and because they were good just not as good. That said no one in 10 years will be watching, much less re-watching nutrek.
>>219348820>Its 1st and last episode are better than DS9's
>>219348820Something about the way UPN filmed their TV shows makes it not good as TNG or DS9. Can't quite place it.
Why didn’t janeway ask q to teleport them back to earth? The one that was trying to unalive himself probably would have done it
I just started this. It’s really good.>Neelix isn’t bad at all. Everyone else ranges from acceptable to great. >kazons are dumb but the creepy aliens who steal body parts more than make up for itWere trek boomers really so spoiled that they turned their noses up at this?
>>219348820I prefer VOY due to it having to less filler episodes than DS9. Way too many baseball and cooking episodes in DS9.
>>219349045Yeah they could have just rigged some photons on a timer or something. But everyone understands that it was a plot device to get them stranded and couldn't be solvable. It's bad writing but whatever.
>>219348820Voyager's entire run is like TNG season 7 where they'd gone as far as they could with the episodic format and were running out of ideas. You get some good episodes but there's just too much mid tier filler.
>>219354557Yes, they wereAt least the flaws of ENT are real
>>219355115I just have no interest in the whole Cardassians vs Bajorans thing. I find it obnoxious and boring.
>>219348820>delete the wifeJaneway best captain.
>>219348820VOY simply fails to live up to its premise and potential >They're stranded and strapped for resources, Will they be able to retain their federation values?>Yeah, turns out it's pretty easy and they're not that hard pressed for resources at all>Half the crew is maquis dissidents who renounced the Federation, will they be able to get along?>Yes, turns out they assimilated almost seamlessly It's not bad, but it's frustrating.
>>219355571I agree. DS9 lore is pretty boring without the Dominion. Cardassians aren't a peer threat to the Federation so they aren't nearly as interesting as the other A-list alien races.
>>219356564>Cardassians aren't a peer threat to the FederationI think they are. Why else would the Federation cede territory in the peace treaty with them?
I feel like the writers were really split between wanting to do adventures of the week like TNG or a long story arc like DS9 so the whole series was really bipolar.
>>219355571I find the Cardassian and Bajoran situation more interesting than the Dominion war. Sure, you probably couldn't do their entire series with just that as your main plotline, but Founders and Jem Hadar as societies are pretty bland in terms of motives. The most important things about the Dominion war were how it influenced the Cardassians.
>>219348820I don't believe you because not even TNG is on par with DS9.
>>219348820The doctor and his antics are the only highlight of Voyager the rest of the crew are as boring as dog shit.Its still leagues better than the vast majority of television in current year but that doesnt make it on par with TNG, DS9 is slightly better but also suffers from a mostly garbage crew but its recurring minor characters are where it shines, VOY doesnt even have that.
Voy sucks fucking dick and I'm sick of this revisionism of trying to make it good. No, just because you have 3-4 good episodes per season does not make the show good.
>>219360404>DS9>Garbage crewWow I wish I had your level of retardation because life must be so much simpler that way. The only one I'll grant you is garbage is Jadzia Dax. Everyone else is great.
>>219360671dude, its debatable whether Avery Brooks is sentient, let alone an actor.
>>219360751Shit bait don't @ me. You're unable to read nuance in a person and cannot discern body language on a basic level. A true thespian is invisible in your eyes to the point where you claim they're bad because they're not eyebrowmaxxing or whisper-yelling.
>>219360958lol, what a dork.
>>219348820Fucking Beast Wars is a better Star Trek Voyager than Voyager, Actions actually have consequences. Something breaks oops can't make another one!
>>219348820It is.>>219348854I have and do.>>219350236They are.
>>219350159Both series start pretty rough and take a long while to find their footing and it's the worst episodes that people remember the most, but when they're good they're really good and beyond that they represent a simpler era of TV where you could watch a sci-fi show where two characters turn into salamanders and it's still an enjoyable time.
You kind of keep hoping the cast will get less boringAnd then they give up and just focus on the Doctor and SevenEven though Tuvok can be cool and there's hints of a great character in Janeway but they never commit because it's a weekly show
>>219348820there are only three characters I like in that image. and one of them I only like for her body. that's bad.
What are the good episodes of VOY so I can skip the rest?
>>219348820>black Vulcan retcon>female captain who promptly gets lost>annoying attempt to clone Data’s popularity with the EMH who eventually gets recognized as a heckin valid real life form because of course he does>annoying alien cook (Guinan knock off, too) who’s fucking a 14 year old>annoying bitch half-Klingon played by a quadroon who’s somehow a worse actress than Zendaya>annoying Asian ensigncel that literally nobody in the fandom has time for>le heroic indigenous-person rebel because being a terrorist is totally okay when they do it>obvious autistic goonerbait>a six foot loogie of oatmeal >zero memorable episodes>nonsensical bullshit like not having power for replicators but having plenty for holodeck shenanigansI was in my second year of college when VOY was announced and I clearly remember my feelings, as an OS/NG fan, were “this sounds like the Star Trek team have lost their minds”. Turns out I was right.VOY was when the cancer that killed Star Trek metastasized to the point it broke through the skin. All the dumb shit JJ Abrams did and the utterly retarded fucking shit Kurtzman did that’s killed the franchise? This is where it all started.Fuck Voyager and fuck you, OP.
>>219355571I’m team Cardassia. Bajorans are irritating sanctimonious holier-than-thou cunts. I’d have genocided the lot of them and not thought twice.
>>219360157Try harder>>219360472This.
>>219348820No dude its easily worse than TNG and DS9.It's not bad, its mediocre and filled with wasted potential, regardless of the handful of genuinely great episodes it has. Worth watching for sure if you like trek.
>>219348820the already dull series is ruined by knowing how disgusting the croaky pathetic hag was to 7of9 for the entire running of the thing.what a petty cunt
>>219348820TBG>TOS>TAS>Orville>ENT>VOY=DS9>Nutrek
>>219360671Only good main crew characters in DS9 are Worf and O'Brien. Both are hand me downs from TNG. Then everyone is outshone by a simple tailor.
>>219364857firstly, the medical guy becoming something more sort of fits with the idea that llms might be if they were given persistent memory and left on for long enough, which is what happened to him.secondly, the disgusting little pervert dwarf was banging a 4 year old, not 14.i must be about your age. a girl I knew at the time invited me to watch it with her and I declined as I wasn't particularly interested in star trek.around the same time, some other girls I knew invited me to watch smallville with them, I declined as it looked like a soap opera and was shitting on the name of superman.pretty sure I have another one up my sleeve but not sure what it was right now.dont know why I was such a retard, but I likely haven't improved much since.sort of explains to some extent why my life is in the pits though.i have a feeling that your tirade was written at work while making a ton of money so you can come back in another month and let off some steam between rounds of golf and picking up your daughter from university.
>>219364916agreed. how can I send credits to cardassia to finish the job
>>219350159I like them both better than Truck Stop 9. Not as much as ST or TNG.
>>219364916Thankfully you'll never be in any position of control except where you release your bowel movements and as we can see here, you make us suffer with your so-called posts.
>>219365253I’m coming off fourteen hours of manually adjusting mass-data compiling software systems to deal with daylight savings changes and I’m grumpy.
>>219365223You are completely splitting hairs by not including Odo, Quark and Kira as main crew members. Those 3 are better characters than any crew member on TNG that isn't Data or Picard
>>219365378>OdoShit belongs in a bucket.>QuarkWalking stereotype. Nog was better.>KiraOh boy another abrasive bitchy female character.Totally mogged by Ivanova.
>>219365427>IvanovaYou mean the "actress" who is arguably worse than Monique Gabrielle? Claudia Christian is fucking terrible and couldn't act her way out of a box, let alone a character like Ivanova.
>>219365427You are an idiot. There's no point debating you on this. I'd have to teach you far too much to make you understand. Enjoy your life of dullardry
>>219365449We’ll have to agree to disagree.
>>219365449I swear it's the actors that make JMS's cringy dialog work. Like have you tried to read any of his comics? They suck.
>>219349045no the couldnt. the kazon were overwhelming them. they would have needed to leave and then come back to retake it the premise is fine and perfectly executed after that
>>219348820>Criminally underrated and completely on par with TNG and DS9Only, ONLY if you cut the fat and reduce the series to 3-4 seasons of content. The show's ultimate flaw was that it was pulled in too many directions without fully committing to anything. Resulting in a lower density of quality episodes. That said I still don't know if I can forgive the series for butchering the Borg. All they did was double down on all the bad things the Borg Queen represented from First Contact (which they could have fixed/amended), and had stupid episodes where most of the bridge crew willingly assimilate themselves to infiltrate them and have no lasting repercussion/trauma from it.
>>219365944In Dark Frontier they literally beam a torpedo on a time delay into a borg ship. Tell me why they couldn't do that to the array
>>219366150I prefer VOY even though they massively jump the shark with The Borg in the later seasons. DS9 is just too much if a chore to get through at times.
>>219367239REASONS THATS WHYRemember that diversity hire casts get picked when diversity hire retards are writing the shows.
>>219365490>thinks hes a high brow DS9 enjoyeryour pseudry is repellant.
>>219348820maybe on par with ds9 but cant touch tng
>>219367457Nigga you don't even understand the basics of character development.You may as well be mad at me for being smart enough to understand Sesame Street while you are rubbing shit into your own face
>>219356320Yeah a crew that has a 70+ year voyage ahead of them falls in line way too fast. Like where are the random crewmen how loose their fucking minds over this shit?
>>219367557yeah bro its totally cause you're the smartest guy on 4chan, thats it.
>>219355435Voyager was the one show that needed the most creative crew because being that far from home was a perfect background for very strength things to happen and turn it into basically horror similar to TOS. I guess they didn't want to take it that far considering it aired in UPN.
>>219348820Wrong image
>>219350236I fucking hated Voyager's finale, I like it even less than Enterprise's.
>>219348820>Criminally underratedAt best it's overrated.
>>219348820I'm just going to come out and say it:> VOY started going downhill when Seven started trying to show emotion
>>219368724Just smarter than you. Not much of an achievement considering you probably lick windows
Lon Sudor did nothing wrongSeska did nothing wrongKes > Seven of NineJaneway was a good captainTuvok was based af (see picrel)Voyager > Enterprise D
>>219369677Voyagers finale had zero epilogue or character conclusions. It literally was they see earth and the credits roll
>>219364789Whatever, just watch them all. It's diet TNG and aside from a handful of episodes it's never insufferable. Though counterpoint is legitimately one of my favorite trek episodes.
>>219348820I think the premise of it, or at least the mindset they had towards its premise, was deeply flawed, but it's still a good show. I wish they were more ambitious with it still though. Even accepting that it just wants to be TNG redux, I wish it at least managed to establish more the Delta Quadrant as a more interesting place with its own memorable species. I really don't like how prominent The Borg in particular end up being, it really felt like they were just falling flat with all their attempts with any species so they just ended up pulling in stuff from TNG that they could get to fit in the Delta Quadrant. Q's place in the show feels like that too.
>>219348820DS9 still tops bothbut yeah great series
>>219355115Voyager is nothing but filler episodes. Almost nothing they do gets them closer to home.
>>219369790I also would mostly consider the show just diet TNG, but Living Witness is one of my favorite episodes of any Star Trek.
>>219369774>Seska did nothing wrongIt's kind of crazy she thought her odds of getting home were better allying with the retarded ass kazon than just laying low on voyager until a real genuine opportunity arose.>Yes these primitive retarded space bums will surely get me home
>>219348820returning to the demon planet haunts me for some reason
>>219355115Define filler.I'll wait
>>219357195I think its more a shame that cardassia never really gets developed. Andrew Robinson (garack) wrote character background for all of his episodes, and later decided to flesh them out and publish it. The framing device is after the series ends, Barack is on cardassia trying to clear the rubble with the survivors, and he finds his old journals and sends them to Bashir with some commentary. He narrates the audio book, which is great, but its just all the tragic shit that happened to garak, and how the cardassian soul and spirituality was fucked and broken. And now their planet reflected that internal desolation and now they can rebuilding both from the ground up.
>>219369891It has some top tier episodes, which makes the mediocrity of the rest of the show so annoying. That and the refusal to commit to characterization and continuity.
>>219348820It was not very good but modern Trek has made it seem much much better.
>>219369941You're not wrong TBdesu, but it shows that she's willing to think and operate outside the [Federation] box. The problem with allying with the Kazon has more to do with what a terrible idea the Kazon were in execution than anything Seska herself did.
>>219348820its not great, but OP isnt strictly speaking wrong. definitely gets more hate than it should
>>219369774>Tuvok was based af (see picrel)No, he was just adequate and the idea of black vulcans is and was retarded.
>>219370465>and the idea of black vulcans is and was retarded....because?
>>219369941thats the flaw with the shit kazon writing/design, not with seska. kazon's werent supposed to be retards
>>219369941>laying low on voyagerOr even just her coming out because her mission to infiltrate the marquis is completely irrelevant. Plenty of character drama potential with a cardassian spy being the devil on the shoulder of the crew. Another faction at council too. You'd have the federation, the marquis, the alien crew, and a pragmatic cuth throat cardassian.
>>219369774Seska's plot was retarded and would have been better if she was a Bajoran Maquis. A big issue with Voyager is how quickly the Maquis/Federation divide is forgotten about. Janeway was literally sent to arrest these people, Tuvok was a double agent and Paris was a snitch, yet there is like zero resentment.
>>219370465There should have been more Detective Tuvok episodes. Like where Paris gets framed, or the planet of psychics where thought crime is like a drug.
>>219370546>kazon's werent supposed to be retardsBased on what? I can only judge Seskas actions by the way she and the Kazon are written. As it is she was retarded and blew her load WAY too early by jumping on Kazon dick.>>219370552This is what they actually should have done. Doesn't mean she still can't eventually backstab voyager at some point anyway too. Maybe with an alien race that could actually get anything done for her
>>219370556some of the main characters had the wrong jobs. B'Elanna was a shit choice for engineering, it barely worked (her boyfriend is the one that works on old cars in holodeck, meanwhile she fights there). But have her as security officer works better because- she's a feisty half-klingon, nuff said- maquis would naturally complain about "the cops", especially tuvok as security chief, but would be willing to have one of their own as the security officer, and then it would be plot point for b'elanna when she had to do her job and maquis resented her.So it would make sense for Chakotay to suggest B'Elanna for the role as it happened, but the role was all wrong.
>>219369774Kes was just a lame character with unspecified powers that solved the mystery of the week in the climax and resets everything. Also the whole "I'm 4 years old lol" premise is just off putting and unnecessary. Especially the episode where she becomes fertile and goes baby crazy, and the unspoken implication is that even by her own race's standards she's underage.
>>219370658>Based on what?they were supposed to be the main antagonists of the show (atleast when it started), that doesnt work if the audience rolls their eyes at them.
>>219370546>kazon's werent supposed to be retardsWhile Piller and [Jeri] Ryan didn't intend them to be that way, their execution made no sense when it came to the show-proper. Them being a Star Sector-esq remnant of past Dominion-level empire who inherited their stuff without fully understanding it wouldn't made sense (and could've been a big twist in season 1 of Voyager), but the Trabe weren't that empire. The idea for them isn't bad, because Stargate did something similar with the Lucian Allaince, but their execution left a lot to be desired.>>219370556>A big issue with Voyager is how quickly the Maquis/Federation divide is forgotten aboutI agree, especially since it's only really a plot point in what? Seven episodes. Still angry about how they killed my boy Joe Carey so close to the finale.
>>219370697They needed an engineer. Paris is the driver, he knows engines. The career track for helm officer is chief engineer or command. Kim is operations, so who is left for engineering. Plus the inherent irony of a klingon engineer AND a vulcan tactical officer.
>>219370803>They needed an engineer.They had one with the GOAT Joe Carey
>>219370536Because blacks only exist on earth due to cromagnon breeding with some lost hominids that would not have existed on Vulcan ASSHOLE
>>219370858I dunno, Anon, you don't exactly strike me as an expert on Vulcan biology and evolution.
>>219370727Source? It would have been very easy to write them less retarded. Even if that is 100% true, I'm still judging Seska based on what actually was portrayed in the show. There's no point doing it any other way
>>219370803my point is when the writers were designing the characters, they gave them wrong jobs/skills. I simply dont see B'Elanna as chief engineer. She would be better as a fighter (ie security officer), or temperamental pilot. If you did something as simple as swap B'Elanna - Paris jobs/skills, it would fit them better considering their personalities and hobbies. Merely swap those two is just a very simple example of what im talking about.
>>219370898How the fuck can you believe evolution on two different worlds would be exactly the same you rock bottom nigger!
>>219370858Like 90% of trek aliens look just like humans with bumps on their face (sometimes not even that). Who cares if there is black Vulcans at that point? I don't recall any specific reasons given in TOS that all Vulcans should be white
>>219370962You already accept them looking almost identical to humans and you already accept them being capable of having mixed-race children with humans. There's a lot about their evolution that you're willing to accept.
>>219354557I can understand if you go straight from TNG to voyager, it doesn’t hold up. But from an objective standpoint, and looking at where Star Trek ended up today, VOY is a god damn national treasure.
>>219370833Meh, it's post tng trek, it needs more token ayys on the crew.
>>219348820found the chakotay account
>>219356320What are you talking about? Like every other episode Janeway is presented a tempting offer that will boost their journey at the cost of violating ethics and Star fleet codes. And people probably weren’t losing their mind because they have replicators with all the food they could ever want and holodecks that can conjure up harems at the snap of your fingers.
>>219370987They're from a harsh desert planet, nothing wrong with a huskies vulcan races in the inner desert, or whatever.
>>219354557As the show goes on you start to notice all the wasted potential, missed opportunities and that most episodes are retreads or remixes of better TNG episodes, or just straight up stupid schlock. It certainly has high points though, and I would absolutely call it star trek, which I can't remotely do for any trek made after ENT. Worth a watch, and it's very rarely bad enough to annoy you.
>>219370697You're not wrong, but Voyager was written to mix things up from TNG and Klingon security would have sounded too similar to Worf. That said, having B'elanna as Tuvok's protege, someone who actually respects him, would have greatly improved the character dynamic of the pre-Seven era. It' was kind of awkward how no one except Janeway (and Kes who has zero screen time) gets along with him.
>>219370987FUCK YOU! I have you a valid LOGICAL reason and all you have is feelings FUCK OFF
>>219371047>JanewayWoman>ChakotayElizabeth-Warren-American>Tom ParisAutist>KimKorean>TorresSpic/Klingon>NeelixAlien>TuvokBlack Vulcan>KesSex slave>EMHHologram>Joe CareyWhiteSee anon, Carey is to the token white on the show, and would've been the token white engineer.
Seven and Doc honestly deserved their own spin off. A reformed borg and a hologram that is learning how to be human was one of the funniest dynamics in the whole show.
>>219371161>>>/pol/
I swear Voyager had some of the best Trek episodes out of any series. Unfortunately it also had most of the worst.
>>219371192Evolution would in fact be different on different words you subhuman fucking animal!
>>219371194What are some of your favourites? One of mine is "Message in a Bottle," and not just because the Prometheus is super fucking cool.
>>219371269By that same logic Vulcans shouldn't be white either though. They should be magenta or some shit
>>219371269They evolved to look like humans and they evolved to mate with humans. That's just how it is in Star Trek. Aliens are similar to humans, and always will be.Let it go.
>>219371377You let it go that we did not need black vulcans. You just want to pander and pretend you are not.
>>219354557Neelix *is* that bad and Chakotay and Kim are nothing characters and an episode focused on them is like if there had been TOS episodes focused on Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura. Big wastes of time.
>>219371438Anon tim russ was in star trek VI as unnamed cremation. He's legitimately a trek fan, he was also one of the guys who ain't found sheet in space balls.
>>219371279That's a good one. Honestly most of season 4 is pretty great. The addition of Seven really did improve the series and not just for the T&A. For some reason I especially liked "The Omega Directive".
>>219348820Thank you RLM echo bot. Glad to know it's not considered to be shit anymore.
