Looking back 20 years later, why did this franchise make men so angry? Men, all ages, all walks of life, were in a competition to insult Twilight and its fans the worst they could, with even other authors joining in (like Stephen King’s famous “takedown”). Kristen Stewart was harassed by a worldwide bullying movement and people are surprised she’s odd now. Interesting how internet nerds love Robert so much now considering how much they hated him for Twilight.
I liked it back then and I like it more now.I even read the first book in like 5th grade when it was just on the "best YA lit" reading list or whatever before there was ever even any massive hype.Twilight is based.
Yeah I know what you mean, OP. Saw it when it came out in theaters, loved it and had to endure lots of weird arguments.
>>219402243>story is about a paedophile groomer>'twilight mums' (middle aged women gooning to underaged boys and society at large just laughing at it)>vampires sparkle>completely nonsensical plot
Did it make us angry or was it just a bit of banter from The Lads?(The Lads)
>>219402316>story is about a paedophile groomerEdward is 17, forever. >'twilight mums'why do you fags say "mum" for mom but not "dod" or "ded" for dad
>>219402243
>>219402243the first movie was gay fem shit but at least it was watchable because it was still a vampire movie/ So I was like fine I will check out the second one. JFC the second movie was just pure dog shit. Literally nothing happens
>>219402243Cuz it's fucking insane, that's why. I can't believe it got made. Do even remember it?> sparkly vampires> vampire baseball> Edward is an immortal demi-God who can mind-read and fly> "Hold on spider-monkey"
>>219402393RENT FREE
>>219405250what’s wrong with being odd
I like Stewart. I like Pattinson. But Twilight still sucks. It's a romance where both leads are profoundly unlikeable. If anything, the movies really downplays what an utter spoiled cunt Bella was in the book.
>>219402243this is either a troll or you have some fundamental brain damage
>>219402316>'twilight mums'Hey those bitches were fine, and an easy lay given all their husbands were away in Afghanistan or Iraq.
>>219405250What's wrong with baseball?I fucking love baseball episodes in anime
>>219402316So you basically decided to become an sjw prude about it huh
>>219402316>nonsensical plot What do you think its supposed to be about, stealing a crystal or something? Its a fucking supernatural romance get a clue
>>219405250>why would a successful but indulgent romance series that does whatever the fuck it wants whenever the fuck it wants in service to the romance, get made into a movie?Nobody knows. Youre right we should have been disgusted by the intramural sports scenes and the fact a vampire has powers, and left the money on the table
SUPER MASSIVE BLACK HOLE YAAAAA
>>219402243Mostly the shameless hypocrisy of the fans.It was a shallow self insert fantasy that got treated as the second coming by women who would sneer as anything remotely mirrored.People tend to not give a shit now because they treat the movies as they are, untainted by the retarded level of praise it got at the time.The fact that nobody reads anymore helps, because the books are legitimately fucking abysmal. In terms of adaption, the movies are some of the best distillations of source material out there
>>219407067Thats what you did though, jerking off to stranger snd stranger porn at the time while holding it against the other sex that some of them have held it against you The rest of us just quietly saw fellow erotica fans
came out alongside smartphones "team retard or team retard" bulls hitedgy le plebbit tops fedora's and wannabe tink × harleygirls faggotry really exploded after Chanology OWS was the last bastion y'all are fucked, good luck o7
>>219407161Is this one of those bot posts I've been hearing so much about?
>>219402243men are insanely insecure at women's media sadly. you see this with shit like twilight, vampire diaries, justin bieber, one direction etcall rhe while they watch capeshit.
>>219407180bullshit* fukken fat thumbs
>>219407180tips fedora's*MOTHERFUCKER
>>219402243I didn't think much about them back thennow I like how they remind me of that time and the emo culturealso compared to today's average flick, they are superb in cinematography, lighting and over all mood
>>219402243Because it was cringe girl shit that they went gaga for. That’s like asking why Justin Beiber makes guys angry or The Beatles, or Joe Namath, or Nat King Cole
>>219407197True but women aren’t any nicer to Star Trek
>>219402303one of the first books i ever read was called zoobooksthey had aminals in emeven ones from africa
>>219407197Speak for yourself. I'll quite happily watch Hazbin Homotel, 'Arry Pot er, Twilight Sparkle, and that gay hockey show.
>>219407306>The Beatlesis there even a better example of once the LSD wears off - from seeming brilliant at the time to actually being retarded hippie crap in reality
>>219407189Are you really that incapable of thought? How many times a day do you just get confused and stop thinking like that?
>>219407664I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt of being retarded by design, not choice.Your post was fucking stupid even as the deflection it was clearly intended as, if that wasn't clear.
>>219402243Lindsay Ellis made an entire video about it. The long and short of it is that people are quick to defend slop made for teenage boys, but quick to condemn anything that's intended for teenage girls. YADDA YADDA MISOGYNY YADDA YADDA PATRIARCHY
>>219402243Because girls liked it
>>219402243It was the direct ancestor of the "I want to be raped by a monster" novel of our era and was shat on for more or less the same reason, even if it was much milder than what we got today.
I have seen bits of the movies and I just genuinely don't like how they look. I don't like the muted colors, and I don't like how the characters never seem to exhibit any personality or charisma, let alone chemistry. Then there is the questionable decision of having vampires out in sunlight for some reason, except still deathly pale so they just look like larping goth nerds. Also there was a scene where blandella and whatsisface went to see the werewolf guy and he was just chilling shirtless with a bunch of other shirtless dudes all hanging around each others necks no homo tho.Just dumb movies, but its like they went out of their way to make it dumb in a non-fun way.But now i cant even say that because people will assume i just hate women, and thats bullshit. As far as vampire soap operas go i think True Blood is way better. It actually has likable characters in it.
>>219407981are there a lot of movies that encourage boys to join sex cults with creepy old women vagrants?
>women take spooky monster make it a giant homosexual that sparkles and quiversThe only time I can recall the opposite happening is Bronyism where they turned little horses for girls into fuckmeat
you're supposed to dislike what teenage girls like
>>219407784>he really doesnt get itHating someone else’s porn because some of them hate your porn, makes you the same type of hypocritical porn-consumer-and-hater as them, especially when the whole time there have always been plenty of men and women who dont blame eachother. Youre both porn consumers, and you either hate or you dont
>>219402243It made teenage girls horny
I didn't really know enough about it to insult itI did think it looked kinda stupid with that gif meme of edward looking constipated when bella walks in the room lol
>>219408460How about femdom itself? Turning something inherently feminine into a dominating fucker? Think outside of the box here, man, and that’s not to mention you’re acting like Twilight is the first vampire romance,
>>219409343> you’re acting like Twilight is the first vampire romance,It’s like elves before Tolkien vs elves after Tolkien. >Turning something inherently feminine into a dominating fuckerQuite misogynistic of you, calling women inherently feminine. Findom would be more apt an analogy
>>219409480Will you be sane for a fucking second instead of making yourself retarded in parody of your enemies?
>>219409508Enemies? Im having fun shooting the breeze on 4cham. Calm down aspie
>>219409671Oh sure and you just pretend to be a feminist when someone says women are natural bottoms
>>219409754I think you’d benefit from not taking everything said here as genuine insights into what people actually think about things. I just type whatever pops into my head at a given moment.
>>219409794Hey man i was just trying to assuage the idea that Twilight is some crazy unique or new betrayal of character, sexual, or monster roles
>>219409868I just think it fundamentally changed how people wrote vampires going forward and was very different from how they’d been depicted previously, even in romance.
>>219402243>why did this franchise make men so angry?B-because those fucking girls were swooning over th-that fucking foot-face Pattinson. And he's ugly! He looks like a foot. I drew an insulting cartoon of his face on a foot, and it totally proves my point. They sh-should have been swooning over me instead, with my receding hairline and my naturally portly hips. I am truly masculine, whereas he is just - just some nancy pretty boy. I HATE HIM.
>>219409999Lol
>>219402243This is why foids went after videogames and capeshit in the 2010s btw
It's funny because if K-pop Demon Hunters was released in 2009 it would have been shat on by everybody
because vampires and werewolves are bad and evil that shouldn't be breeding with humans. As a heterosexual man I'd rather watch supernatural where heterosexual chad men kill them instead. Nice try vampires and werewolves.
Unironically misogyny. Same reason Justin Bieber was hated. Because he was popular among females.
>>219408433True blood worked (for a few seasons) because it was actively aware of how stupid it was and leaned into that stupidity quite often. Twilight took itself dead seriously and expected the viewer to be in awe of everything happening at all times.
>>219410616I hate self aware meta faggotry. Sincerity is always superior, including when its corny.
>>219402243I saw the whole franchise with my now ex and we fucked 5ish times during the whole viewing. One time was just a lot of kissing and foreplay.Pretty fucking sweet, and the optimal way to enjoy these films.A lot of men just hate things women enjoy is the actual answer, First it was Justin Bieber than twilight than 50 shades now dark romance novels.>Inb4 it's degenerate Yeah okay like let's pretend most men aren't shooting ropes to generic anime titties and watching shonen slop or doom queuing some generic pvp shooter. But when it's women that like something "oh suddenly the fabric of society is collapsing" if you gave half of their stupid shit a try you will come to find a lot of its pretty stupid fun.
>>219410616Why act like Twilight wasnt fucking huge and beloved for all the good and bad?
>>219410741This
>>219409043>Hating someone else’s porn because some of them hate your pornNo one said or implied anything of the sort. (You) instantly went to porn, and admitting that twilight is just porn for women isn’t the own you think it is. The thing is that no one at the time wanted to admit it was just porn for women, especially the women themselves. What twilight was being compared to was not a straight up gender inversion of twilight (which the bitch herself did write) but something that would be an actual “self-insert fantasy” for men that women would find as incomprehensible as most men found twilight. Ya know, a story where a humble man fixes things, protects the weak, defeats bad actors, and is loved for doing so.
>>219409915To be fairer than twilight deserves, it’s just the natural progression from what Anne Rice did to vampires, as she’s the one who changed how people write vampires. Twilight just outright stopped people writing vampires for a while, as there was nothing left down that line.
>>219402243I think I only ever watched the first one around the time it came out, but the other week at a party I had a friend (male) trying to convince me to watch them.Should I?
>>219410447Only because they hadn’t figured out internet astroturf by that time.
>>219411007Yeah sure sounds like fun, worse thing that happens is you both get bored and turn it off
>>219410869Because something being beloved by women, for reasons they didn’t want to admit, is not notable. 50 shades of gray, which openly admitted that it was just porn for women, was less successful than twilight, which leads one to think women simply aren’t honest about what they want.
>>219410912> that would be an actual “self-insert fantasy” for men that women would find as incomprehensible as most men found twilight. Ya know, a story where a humble man fixes things, protects the weak, defeats bad actors, and is loved for doing so.The women who bitch about that are confused and fickle and so is any man who does it to women, that’s my point. Women and men both have these types of stories, why match the biggest bitch in the room by complaining?
>>219411121Im not sure how that follows from my post
>>219411447The point you keep missing is not only did women not want to admit, at the time, it was just porn, men also didn’t want to think so little of women to come to the conclusion that it’s just porn for them. So you have this franchise that is bafflingly horrible but also intensely popular with people we’re supposed to think are equals, who are also clearly ashamed to admit why they like it.
>>219411472>thing is popular because it’s porn for women but it operates in a nebula of plausible deniability >thing directly admits it is porn for women, is less successful because it doesn’t have any plausible deniability
I had to take my sister to watch the first three in theatres. When the fourth one came out she had friends to go with. I was a bit bummed out because I wasn't going to go watch it alone lmao
>>219411712Well Twilight is literally softer core romance, most people understood that but the usual suspects like to fight anyways. ‘Plausible deniability’ is one way to put it but if any fan was bothered by any accusation this honestly PG13 romance was sexually sickening, that makes sense too
>>219411796Softcore has more appeal than hardcore in public movie theaters and in the public forum
>>219412113>>219412083No one understood twilight was porn and none of its fans wanted to admit it for reasons (you) are displaying by referring to “porn” as “sexually sickening.” Even 50 shades was similarly baffling but since it was openly admitting what it was, there wasn’t as much controversy. It also wasn’t taking anything “cool” and turning it into sparkly bullshit.Furthermore, since you’re clearly comfortable using “it’s just girlporn” as a defense for twilight, and are clearly quite pornbrained, all you seem to see is “my porn vs your porn.” As remember, no one was talking about porn at all until (you) posted >>219407161.
>>219412684Porn/erotica/romance whatever. I mean none of it negatively. So women have sexualities but can be prudish enough to not want to talk about it in public. So what? All you have to do is accept there was some popular romance/erotic/porn series girls liked and suddenly any alleged ‘controversy’ or sex war just disappears. This whole argument is a ruse man. All you had to do was say ‘nice’ if they brought it up and know they were into something sexual about it l. People are often shy about their erotica, who cares
>>219412840This conversation is about why twilight was so hated/controversial. Your low iq makes it impossible for you to understand the difference between mentalities 20 years ago and today. It would be about a decade before fans of twilight would be comfortable admitting twilight was just porn.
>>219413343My point, going back to the post that started this reply chain, is it was not just ‘hypocrisy of the fans’, it was also ‘hypocrisy of the haters’, who still often think its cool to turn into judgmental prudes themselves to get back at who they perceive are judgmental prudes
>>219402243That first movie is up there with Terminator 2 in the rewatchablity department
>>219402243>Turned werewolves and vampires into preening twink faggots.>It’s fat/ugly girl wish fulfillment fantasy, and Bella is basically proto-Rey, being handed absolutely everything with little to no struggle, and everyone kind of loves her just because.I will say that Robert Pattinson has done a bang up job moving on from it, and making a respectable career, when lesser men probably would have just been fixtures on the con circuit at this point.
>>219402243>20 years ago
>>219413720Except that is a conflict you made up and instantly decided was real and have spent five and a half hours (!!!) rejecting any real explanation of the disconnect between fans and everyone else. To sum up the disconnect, if you tell a man he doesn’t get it, he’ll look for something deeper, not lower.
>>219414179The last 20 years feels like a blur because the last 15 or so of those 20 years has been a cultural void where not much notable has happened.
>>219414284I didnt make that conflict up at all, youve been corroborating it. That people demanded the audience admit this project is smut, in retaliation to the idea they are liars because some of them complain about other smut. And you can say everyone’s a simp for not actually considering it porn (it is a non-nude romance ffs), but its really not porn like what people mean when they say porn. Again, 50 shades WAS porn and got less flak. Some amount of the conflict here is people wanted retaliation against prudes, so they went around acting like this shit was crazy offensive and blew the wall off female shame forever. Some women were too protective of themselves, and plenty of guys insisted it was some soft of effigy of female whorishness. Both needed to calm down and the haters are as culpable of being performative prudes Its not hard for me to chime in while im at work, either.
>>219414291Thinking not much happened in the last 20 years is just you shutting down due to sensory overload.
>MUH MENFuck off back to bluesky, you sexist, ignorant faggot. It has nothing to do with men specifically and everything to do with a huge section of western society and media making fun of it. The main audience were teenage girls, but ultimately it's the reason why Paterson is such a big actor, and that alone makes it worthwhile.
>>219415123>people demanded the audience admit this project is smut, in retaliation to the idea they are liars because some of them complain about other smutThis is a conflict you made up. It doesn’t exist outside your head. Twilight didn’t register as porn at all to men, and men didnt want to think women saw it as porn, as its complete dribble, thus seeing it as porn for women would be thinking less of women. Now men are fine thinking less of women. Throw in turning vampires into sparkling pussywhipped emo-twinks and you have most of the reasons why it was hated then.
>>219415453Are you fucking kidding me man everybody knew Twilight was teen romance slop, what fucking world are you coming from? Thats why everyone was making fun of sparkling teen romance vampire. So the controversy was ‘men respected it too much’? That it was beloved in a different way by two different halves? Fuck no, half the people talked shit about it, called it trashy romance for little girls, what are you even saying
>>219415762No one was calling anything slop in 2008. But you’ve proven a few times you can’t differentiate between now and any other time. And, again, you clearly seem completely pornbrained, so you don’t seem to differentiate at all between pornography and any other type of movie.
>>219402243ruined the vampire aesthetic
>>219416334Slop in concept, people called it shit and trash and anything else. I just fucking said its not even pornography, its a non-nude slightly dark romance ffsBut please tell me again how the controversy about Twilight is everyone loved it so much
>>219416572>it’s not porn>girls only like it because it gets them wet
>>219402243The success of the twilight franchise allowed women to ruin modern literature. It deserved all the hate it got.
>>219416756Different definitions of porn i suppose. Not all romance is porn, unless you want to say it is. So what’s your point? Most real controversy comes from people disagreeing on what is smut and what is romance and which is okay for who
>>219407197Women take mens'/boys' media, insert mary sue female protagonists, humilate the male former heroes, and call you a misogynist for think its now shit(the acolyte)
>>219402243The same reason women insult video games
>>219407197>women have spent 25 years terraforming every male coded entertainment>the force is female>gamers are dead>mad maxine>girl Indiana Jones>guyladriel>...>yeah men are just uncomfortable with female storiesLol, lmao even.
>>219417032To men, it doesn’t register as anything. The only categorization that makes any sense is porn servicing a foreign fetish.
>>219402243its just very very gay is all
>>219417390Which is strange because they know the spectrum of romantic charm to pornographic frenzy themselves. And dont say we dont!
>>219417558Finally a good fucking post
>>219417631>I am instantly and completely in love with you, blandy mcblanderson, for you are the author’s self insertthis isn’t “romance.” It’s pure self-insert wish fulfillment.
>>219402243That never happened. The books and films were slop for teen girls and people treated it like slop for teen girls. It was deliberately campy and melodramatic and Kristen stewart is a poor actress. It is what it is.
>>219402393
The first film was pretty good for what it was. The sequels are your standard, YA drivel with no artistic integrity and poorly directed this time around.
>>219402243People like to collectively hate. Personally I was a reader from a young age when it came out which meant I'd spent my childhood reading 75% women authors of fantasy books. I read every Twilight book and loved them lol.
>>219417814Yeah romance directed at the reader is romance. The harem anime with the boring protag where they don't fuck, are romances
>>219402243>why did this franchise make men so angry?the two male leads were "faggy"
>>219418206I was hoping someone else had started replying, but you’re still clearly the same guy sticking to the “my porn vs your porn” thing, despite how it’s explained you’re wrong and deluded.
>>219418450There's a whole spectrum of porn both for men and women, jesus christ man. As far as I'm concerned everyone should be able to do it all, and I'm pretty sure they do
>>219418644Except this is a case where porn exclusively for women doesn’t register as anything for men, and men didn’t even want to consider that it was porn at all, due to not wanting to think of women being such basic lifeforms that this turned their crank.
>>219419654There were people that thought both. There were Twilight haters and Twilight simps. I don't know where you're coming from where there weren't Twilight haters all over the place
>>219406465We need a new movie franchise that leads to a wave of desperate pedophile women again
>>219402243They're both good actors and Kristen is hot as fuck, but those movies sucked. Never made fun of it hated on the cast, just the writers and the fan base who ate that slop up
>>219409999checked and literally-me pilled
>>219419903Calling an objectively bad franchise, bad, isn’t being a “hater.”
>>219420808I didn't say it was, I'm saying there were also pure haters
