>>219419658
It won’t flop anon
Normies will eat this shit up

>>219419658
No, Disney is not going to pull out of superhero content especially when they still haven't dipped properly into the X-Men products.

There's no way in Hell this is going to flop. Just wait for the first trailer and see the reaction.

Define flop, because anon if you think this movie isn't making $1 billion I'm going to have to sit you down and tell you some bad news.

It won't flop but xmen vs avengers will be one of the last plays Disney has. No one is interested in their standalone movies anymore.

Their final move for one last payday will be marvel vs DC

>>219419658
the people in control of disney have already made their money through all the bullshit subcontracting.
the only people at risk of losing money are the common shareholders
if you have any reasoning skills at all you know this is true and the number 1 reason everything new sucks

There is literally zero hype for this movie zoomers dont care about comic book characters they are into video games and anime only millennials and boomers still care about superheroes the equivalent of the first Avengers movie for zoomers will be when the Smash Bros movie comes out

>>219421610
>zero hype for this movie
5.8 million people looked at chairs for 5 hours to see what the cast is for this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7k3aJS0Fw

>>219421610
There's no hype because nothing has been revealed or posted about it in a long time. That will all change like every thing on this board, no one cares until something is released.

>>219421814
put your money where your mouth is, show your kalshi/polymarket bet slip

>>219421723
Cope this movie will do less than the rest of the Avengers movies and as time goes on Disney will realize that zoomers arent interested in superheroes thats for old fogies the Nintendo cinematic universe the NCU will be the new MCU in the next decade superheroes will die like the western genre

>>219421814
>C-Cope

Lmaoing@yourlife. Look at the success of the recent Spider-Man trailer and tell me no one is interested any more. And Spider-Man will also possibly be in Doomsday and if not then he will definitely be in Secret Wars. Plus X-Men, F4, multiple Avenger groups, old cast returning, Deadpool etc.

You're a genuine fool if you really believe this will flop. I hope it's bait for your sake.

>>219421891
Deadpool and wolverine just made $1.3 billion dollars and you think a movie with Maguire's spiderman alongside Chris Evans Captain America and Jackman's Wolverine is going to make less than that?

it wont flop, sadly.

>>219421944
Spider-Man will be in doomsday but it won't be Holland's spidey. Holland was filming the odyssey while doomsday was filming. If holland is in the film it would be during the reshoots or just a quick scene or 2. Much more likely that Maguire and/or Garfield are in this.

>>219421065
It easily can flop but probably will turn a moderate profit. Capeshit fatigue is real.

>>219422099
I guess I just have way too much faith in others to realize we are past this as a society.

>>219422126
Leaks reveal Toby is in it, and dies when the Xmen explode his planet or something

>>219422183
why doesn't the fatigue you mention reflect the views of the most recent trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TZMtslA3UY

>>219422205
>I just have way too much faith in others
lmao. you definitely do. normies are sheep.

>>219420603
it won't flop, but it won't come close to Endgame's money. Throw in shit like Pedro Pascal, Anthony Mackie, that taco-American who played Namor, and Shuri to guarantee it.

>>219419658
Are you fags gonna push it with "YOU HAVE TO SEE IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE MOVIE EVENT OF OUR GENERATION" retardation like you did with Endgame?

>>219422220
This sound like Avengers Infinity War again i know comic book storylines are repetitive but that wont translate well to live action movies and the Disney X-Men are going to be ultra woke and im not interested

>Avengers movies by earnings
Avengers: Endgame (2019): $2.797 billion
Avengers: Infinity War (2018): $2.048 billion
The Avengers (2012): $1.519 billion
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015): $1.405 billion
>Post Endgame MCU movies to Cross $1 billion
Deadpool & Wolverine (2024): $1.338 billion
Spider-Man No Way Home (2021): $1.921 billion
Spider-Man Far From Home (2019): $1.133 billion

>>219422220
fuck the x-men those sons of bitches and their gay suits. if they actually kill him i'm walking out of the theater. wolverine is the only respectable character in that sack of shit and that's because he has the balls to leave and do his own thing every once in a while.

>>219422248
Everyone loves Spidey

>>219422364
It's basically a retarded repeat of Infinity War, yes>>219422568
Pretty sure Jackman Wolverine dies too.

>>219422248
Spider-Man and Batman are on a league of their own, and will keep getting movies even after capeshit completely dies out. The state of the genre has to be measured on how it performs outside of those two.

Cape shit.

>>219421891
All genres have peaks and troughs. Horror, Westerns, Romcons, action movies, etc. They don't actually die, they just become less culturally important.

>>219422220
Don't worry, another Tobey Spidey will appear in Secret Wars.

>>219422302
Endgame was the movie event of our generation and it made nearly $3 billion. I don't understand this sites obsession with hating anything that's popular. Endgame was a good movie too. It was a major cultural touchstone and brought America together.

>>219423099
Sorry, this reply is a little too level headed and adult minded for my taste, gonna have to file a report for 'trolling outside of /b/'. Only extreme and aggresive opinions are allowed on 4chan.

>>219420603
>>219421065
>>219421365
>making $1 billion
that would make it a massive plot. look at the budget. it needs to make twice that amount just to break even. it will flop 100%

>>219421706
90% of internet traffic is bots, disnoid

>>219423229
>It was a major cultural touchstone and brought America together.
jesus christ you shills are fucking pathetic. nobody gives a fuck about your shitty movies. its brainrot that people watch and forget immediately afterwards. in 20 years all this superhero garbage will be completely forgotten

>>219419658
Its not going to "flop", but its definitely going to under perform.

>>219423884
I just can't imagine what has to happen in someones life to hold this opinion. You must never leave your house. Everyone at work and play everywhere was talking about it, having fun at the theaters, meming about it. I want to know what type of movies people like you even enjoy. Do you enjoy anything? You sound so miserable, like you hate existence and yourself and what everyone else to feel the same. Well guess what? YOU are the one who is fucked up and has something wrong with them, not those who actually enjoy their life and living.

>>219423229
Yea, but it was seen as an ending. It was the final chapter in something that had really gained momentum in the culturally zeitgeist. Then they did more sequels people didn't really care for. A spider-man movie that rips off Incredibles, a Dr.Strange movie that leans into cameos to sell it, an ending to GotG3, a horribly tone deaf messy thor 4 and a bunch of new IP no one cared for it......

and Doomsday is the follow up to this stuff? It's not the same at all.

>>219424858
Yeah I wasn't really supporting or defending post Endgame marvel output I was arguing that Endgame was objectively THE movie of late millenial/early zoomer generation and that's pretty much impossible to deny unless you were living under a rock or are some shut-in depressed irl incel doomer.

>>219423229
lol lmao you are fucking deranged

>>219425046
No deranged is convincing yourself a movie that made $3 billion and was being talked about for months everywhere you went was not a huge cultural touchstone and landmark.

>>219419658
They wouldn't stop making Marvel movies, but they might end the MCU as we know it and do a clean reboot, free from the baggage it's accumulated

>>219425468
aspects of Fantastic Four were promising, it was a pretty distinct tonal shift from the previous Marvel films and was even overtly family friendly with an unironic 'life begins at inception' message. But my hope is they go deeper into the Marvel bag with lesser known characters and give them distinct films with original tones/vibes. Going to be hard in this DEI age to do so and maintain artistic integrity, though.

>>219425130
idk about that other anon but I disagree with your assessment that lots of money = "good movie". endgame was an easy slam-dunk that raked in cash because it was the culmination of a decade-long marketing campaign by executives in a corporation designed to do exactly that. it's superhero characters against bad guy characters, there was never any doubt what was going to happen, stakes were zero because of multiverse time travel bullshit, but it's got pretty cgi and characters people like and recognize so obviously it was talked about by the very masses it was advertised to. to me a good movie is not a sure thing produced by consensus in a board room.

>>219425553
I never said or implied that just because it made $3 billion that automatically made it good, but the fact it was talked about everywhere with so much energy and excitement. It was a pretty unanymous critical and commercial success, unironic picture perfect storytelling with the most talented people in the industry working on it on every level. And the whole 'we knew how it was going to end' criticism isn't valid, everyone knew that eventually Frodo throws the ring into Mt. Doom but we all still paid to see the conclusion. Everyone familiar with the comics knew the 'ending' to end game but still paid to see it.

>>219425553
No one is arguing it's a great movie, the argument it's release was a big deal. These are different things. Episode 1 was a big deal when it was released as well. It likely will never happen again at the level of Endgame. Doomsday wiill not match that amnount of people caring and going to the movie. It's been 7 years, there's less theaters, less screens, less people going. Endgame was indeed the last time a cinematic event movie would grip the culture. Quality helps for sure, but it certainly isn't needed.

>>219423886
this but it has more to do with how inflated rdj's contract is and how expensive these films are.

>>219419658
>If it ends up flopping, will it result in Disney to stop making Marvel movies?
No. Spider-man will still kill it at the box office. And Deapool & Wolverine is still profitable. It will probably kill the Avengers though.
I imagine they'll heavily reduce their output. Probably push for another Chris Evans Captain America with as many cameos as they can muster. Civil War 2 or some shit

>>219425676
>>219425950
Ok sure, it was objectively a massive event. But that doesn't give you the right to call critics of it as weird or disconnected losers:
>I don't understand this sites obsession with hating anything that's popular. Endgame was a good movie too
Calling it contrarianism is reductive. People watch movies for reasons other than glorified consumer satisfaction metrics, they are not weird or wrong for having a different opinion of what makes a movie worth watching.

>>219425549
Before Fantastic Four came out, I thought it might be seen as fresh and different enough to be a big phenomenon. But it wasn't, it under-performed and came and went quietly. It wasn't free from general superhero fatigue or the (false but reasonable) expectation that its main purpose was doing obligatory Doom setup

>>219426367
Then just say you don't like it. That's fine. But trying to act like it wasn't an enormous cultural even or a well made movie is stupid, and yeah you should be and will be called out for holding that opinion. I can aknowledge well made movies I just don't really care for. I think Titanic is extremely well made but I don't care for it.
Where you go wrong is saying it's bad, calling it 'cape shit' which implies the entire genre has no artistic merit, that Endgame wasn't a huge event, and outright stating everyone is a shill if they think otherwise. Does that make sense? I can't believe I'm even having to explain this.

>>219419658
anything below 1.4 will be disappointed BUT, if this shit doesn't hit a billy, because Dunc 3, it will be hilarious.

>>219421065
>1st trailer

Wait didn't they show the X-men already?

>>219426474
The only way to avoid being affected by capeshit fatigue nowadays is having characters that were already proven as box office hits in the past. The FF, while a cornerstone in the comics, have never been big among general audiences so it didn't have the benefit.

>>219426804
The genre needs to go a little darker but DEI is hindering that. The recent Batman with Pattison had so much potential but they had to force Catwoman into it, who ruined the pacing and scope of the story. She made the movie 40 minutes longer than it needed to be, largely existed to sprout modern socio-political talking points (being portrayed as a lesbian, white shaming, etc), and didn't serve the story in any meaningful way besides spying into the Ice club, which could have been done with anyone or in a more creative way. It was tragic because what could have been an awesome movie just ended up being mid. Maybe Clayface will do what The Batman couldn't. We'll see. But Catwoman in The Batman is a great case study on DEI ruining a movie.

>>219419658
This is actually the first marvel movie i've been looking forward to since endgame, and not because i think its going to be good but rather because its such an obvious desperation play. I really want to see what they're even going to attempt with this because i just can't imagine it being good

>>219426775
Cyclops, Xavier and Magneto were all shown in one of the teasers yes

>>219424858
>spiderman & incredibles

Which one was that, sounds like it could have been awesome because none of Hollands films had any team dynamics of that film?

>>219426919
Clayface supposedly has a low budget for a cbm (like the first Joker and Deadpool films), so if it does work and hits with the horror crowd it could make studios take notes to try new things with the genre.

Disney would be smart to end all the capeshit with Avengers Secret Wars the finale for the idols of the millennial and boomer generations but they will continue with their homosexual X-Men and they will flop at the box office the Zoomers and the new Zoomers dont care about Marvel or DC

>>219419658
>>219420603
It will be an Avatar 3 situation

>>219422183
>Capeshit fatigue is real
It's been almost 10 years since Endgame, we are already on the other end of capeshit fatigue where people start going "man, I hope superheroe movies come back"

>>219421365
Simple cost benefit analysis, anon.

>>219421365
>Define flop, because anon if you think this movie isn't making $1 billion I'm going to have to sit you down and tell you some bad news
RDJ's salary alone is 1 billion

>>219419658
This, Spider-Man, and Secret Wars are a guaranteed billie. However any other Marvel shit will bomb and where are they gonna go after Dr Doom? Can’t be Onslaught, the only way that’d have any impact is if it’s Patrick Stewart and he’ll be dead by then

>>219419658
It needs to be good enough to recoup it's costs AND it's the last chance saloon for Disney to redefine and repair the reputation of capeshit over these next two movies, they won't be able to milk an aging original cast forever and they need a plan for the next 15 years.
Going too broad isn't going to work, they should cater to the 25-45 age demo and aim for quality and depth. I suspect they're aiming for another "Infinity War" when they actually need "The Dark Knight" to set themselves up.
If it's not 10/10 capeshit, unlike anything we've seen before, people will have learned their lesson from Endgame and will skip the sequel.

>>219419658
Movie starts with Hugh Jackman killing Tobey and then dying

>>219420603
With the amount they're throwing into it it's going to be a disaster. There's blood in the water, and even WB is feeling cocky enough to release Dune 3 head-to-head against it. Unthinkable in the days of Endgame, when everything was scrambling to get out of its way.

>>219422743
>Spider-Man and Batman are on a league of their own
They are until they're aren't, they've had genre-defining films but also some misses requiring minor and major course-corrections. Those rare hits generate major steam and let you coast on mediocre sequels (or outright duds like TDKR).
Take "The Batman" and "The Penguin", they established a decent refresh of the setting and aesthetic but were sorely let down by writing and execution, extremely glaring and retarded errors that make Batman & Robin look like a masterpiece.

>>219428079
>Onslaught

The OC from the marvel PS1 game?

>>219429128
He's from the comics. The next saga is supposed to have mutants front and center, and they've already introduced Franklin Richards who is a major character in the Onslaught storyline so they could very well use him as the next big bad.

>>219419658
>>219421610
I can tell you that I have *negative* hype for this shit. It’s not even real Doom.

>>219428079
Has it been said what version of Secret Wars they're doing with this? Is it going to be the whole Beyonder/Battle Planet thing where Doom temporarily got the Beyonder's omnipotent powers, but couldn't even let himself fall asleep because he was so powerful that he was afraid of losing control and accidentally destroying the universe?

>>219426483
what is your opinion on harry potter and the deathly hallows pt 1 & 2?

>>219429575
It's gonna be a mix of the OG and the 2015 one per the Russos.

>>219429237
Onslaught was so fucking cool, man.

>Paid off Xavier wiping Magneto's mind in Fatal Attractions (which was the peak of my comic book fandom as a kid)
>Also paid off some hanging threads from Age of Apocalypse
>Controlled an army of Sentinels
>So badass that he took on the X-Men, Avengers, FF, and Spider-Man by himself
>Even Juggernaut is scared of him
>Metal af design (both the armored Magneto version and the monster version)

I treated Onslaught as my jumping off point for comic books. In my mind, he was the final boss, and there was no topping that.

>>219422205
What is that faith based on? I haven't seen anything in years that would make me think more of society at large.

>>219427935
No way in fucking hell is that true. Have you been living under a rock? They ran superheroes into the ground on D+.

>>219421610
They seem to like spider-man.

>>219422568
Colossus is alright.

>>219428875
Gotta source for that anon?

>>219421706
You're going to have to adjust your metrics now to include the third world. Most of those people weren't from real countries and tickets in the third world are dirt cheap, assuming they pay at all.

>>219429755
He's not allowed to shill for other products.

>>219430546
Hawkeye did alright didn't it?

>>219419658
avengers can't flop

>>219419658
This shit willprobably need to make 1.5 billi to be profitable.

>>219419658
>>219420603
It will be a failure and they know it, but the real purpose is to give some interest in the MCU again and sell Secret Wars to go into X-Men with more fans interested in it than rn.

>>219426984
It was mysterio and it was terrible. He pretends to be a hero using holograms and tricks Spider-man into helping him get more holograms to pretend to be an even bigger hero.