https://youtu.be/CQeezCdF4mk?si=6uvcNA6DlQhbQ96a
>>219437725Was this scene meant as a warning to the chuds who identified too much with the jonkler in the first movie?
>>219437963billions of chuds raped every day yes
>>219438072Does the director envision himself doing the raping? Who does the raping?
>>219437725>>219437963>first movie specifies Arthur went through vague physical abuse >2nd movie in court confirms he was sexually abused too>people so quick to meme dont even bother I havent seen a single other fucking soul bring up the sexual abuse line, I feel like I'm the only one who actuallt likes and identifies with arthur for the correct reasons
>another rape thread
Someone post that alfred webm
>>219437725THATS WHAT ALL THE BUSSIES SAY
>>219437725>be racist>get rapedDon't be racist.
>>219438132Me, I'm the raper
>>219438187MY BODY IS READY
>you’re the butt of the joke now, joker >that cracks me up
>>219437963Rape, threats of rape, and rape analogs are valid weapons when wielded by The Good Guys™ so don't be a bad guy, chuddy.
>>219437963>>219438132>>219438569why do you guys act like prison rape isnt a realistic thing
>>219438725I don't think its the prison guards doing the raping (except for women prisons)
>>219438778why? whats stopping them?
>>219438725It's really very overstated in pop culture.
RAGS OFF
as a surviving rape victim myself I find these threads to be in poor taste
>>219439017nowadays yeah but decades back prison rape was more common
>>219438187Well, they shouldn't have anally raped The Joker if they did want posts to be made about butt fucking.
>>219439043I will take your complaint up with the board of directors of 4chan
>>219437963Pretty much. They genuinely thought people would hate the Joker for killing a bunch of 1%ers.
>>219439334source?
>>219439419Joker 2.
>>219439446the main theme in joker is clearly that you were supposed to care about arthur not the joker. the movie had to spell it out for people like you
>>219438508this reminds me of that fan film that used to be on youtube where a heroin addict kidnaps batman, "proves" his ethos wrong, and then rapes batman and kills himself while batman has been mindbroken
J O N K L E DO NKLED
>>219437963Reminder even normies empathize with Joker from the first movie same with Ken from Barbie.
>>219439511main theme in joker 2*
>>219439419is this where you pretend there weren't articles about how people needed to "watch out" because there would definitely be incel mass shootings at joker screenings?
>>219439511The main theme in joker 2 is that you will get anally raped and killed if you ever think about rising up against your masters.
>>219439601>>219439624in joker 1 people in the movie only cared about the joker and not arthur, just like irl. in joker 2 they explicity made it crystal clear that people in the movie only care about the joker and not arthur, and they made it clear in joker 2 that people irl are like that too.
>>219439728nothey just got upset that everyone though arthur was right in the first movie, and when I say everyone I mean basically everyone, the movie made a billion dollarsthis angered the creator, who intended the film to be about a psycho loser lashing out at society like an asshole, but it turns out, basically everyone wants to do that with the exception of hollywood jews
>>219439728>the joker and not arthurJoker IS Arthur, just unrestrained by fear and meds.
>>219439838>>219439946they never made any attempt in joker 1 to make joker seem unrelatable; hell, it's part of the plot that nobody cared about him at all before he became the joker and when he became the joker they still didnt care about him as a person and only what they thought he represented via their projection--he was impulsive in the movie with no grand plan for systemic changes. and joker 2 just further drives the point forward.
>>219440151What are you even on about? Everybody cared about him and felt for his struggle. That's why it's so cathartic to see his tormentors finally get what they deserve.
>>219440151>projection--he was impulsive in the movie with no grand plan for systemic changesDoes someone need to have a grand plan to lash out at injustice and spark change? I wasn't aware of that.
were is the evidence the guards raped the Joker? they removed his pants, yes, but maybe they wanted to beat Arthur's bare buttcheeks with their batons to inflict more pain. I see no sexual abuse, just humilliation
>>219440419Maybe they wanted to smack his buttcheeks with their open palms to make meaty bongo sounds.
>>219438508uhmm alfred.... happened in burma???
>>219440151that's what the cartoon retcon in the beginning says, but that doesn't make it true
>>219440151notodd phillips wanted to make his own taxi driver/american psycho type of character piece, but with the intention of people hating the protagonist, but he's a bad writer and made a crazy man in an even more black and white scenario than those other crazy man character who people already like a lothe just made a sympathetic jokerthe dichotomy between secret identity and super hero/villain is gay and doesn't ever actually applyarthur shot those corpo-cuck yuppies harassing that chick, and that was cool and the right thing to do, just like the real life event it's based on, where that nerdy jew on the subway shot a bunch of niggers who were menacing people, which is even cooler and more right than what arthur did
>>219440554I know, right? right?
>>219440299>>219440350>>219440630in the 1st movie they made it clear that no one cared about arthur at all before or after; they just cared about the joker and what they thought he represented. irl there were a good amount of people that liked arthur and the joker but there were also a lot of people that only cared about the joker or just didnt like any of it. just look at how most criticism of joker 2 was "dude, where's the action and why isnt he fighting batman? why does he fantasize being in show business (something he totally didnt care about in joker 1 and wasnt depicted often btw)
>>219440419oh they beat his cheeks with their batons for sure
>>219440639nope, theres 0 evidence of it. if anything joker 1 and 2 was supposed to make you care about arthur instead of just the joker.
>>219440659>>219440299
>>219440764i already addressed what you said
>>219440659I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It doesn't really respond to this >>219440350 at all
>>219440819No you didn't, you just repeated the same dumb shit.
Tarantino had the correct take about this filmIn a decade people will look back on this film as a masterpiece. Truly the Freddy Got Fingered of our generation
>>219440659No most of the criticism of Joker 2 is that it's misery porn with him coping about it by imagining he's in a musical until he gets raped and stabbed to death for being such a gay little chud
Should have stayed capeshit
>>219440823>>219440841if im wrong then why were most complaints about joker 2 :>dude, where's the action and why isnt he fighting batman? why does he fantasize being in show business (something he totally didnt care about in joker 1 and wasnt depicted often btw)i mean hell, the fact that theres a joker rape general just goes to show you how fickle any liking towards arthur or even the joker really was.
>>219440742>there's zero evidence of itsee: >>219439601that is the only reason joker 2 is joker 2it's just like when they made a female ghostbusters under the false impression that it would cure misogyny, which the original ghostbusters didn't even represent, but they sure behaved as though it didmuch like before joker had even come out, when they were primed to use it as an emblem of inceldom or white male rage or whatever, but more than just white men liked it, which is why it made a billion dollars, and the sequel needed to become a takedown piece on a failed takedown piece
>>219440981They weren't. You're genuinely too stupid to be having this conversation.
>>219440659This is pilpul in action, people. Take note. Everyone’s saying one thing and this guy’s trying to make the conversation about something else.
>>219441022>>219441061nah, most common complaints about joker 2 was that it was boring and nothing like the 1st. youre just coping and not even addressing my arguments.
>>219437963Yes. All chuds, MAGAtards and Trump voters will be thrown in prison once their God Emperor is finally charged with war crimes. The chuddies' rags will be torn off and multiple wieners will devastate their anuses on a daily basis. There will be no escape.
>>219441099Again,>Stop arguing your points, argue mineClassic pilpul
>>219440981Okay, you're not responding to anyone in particular, just kinda rambling like a broken AI. Cool. Tardo.
THAT’S RAPE
>>219440987thats a bad comparison because female ghost busters had nothing to do with the original characters. joker 2's character is in line with joker 1's.
>>219440981>dude, where's the action and why isnt he fighting batman? why does he fantasize being in show business (something he totally didnt care about in joker 1 and wasnt depicted often btw)what the fuck are you even talking about?first of all, the movie fucking flopped, there aren't enough people who watched it to be any real consistent critiqueshowever, nobody complains about him not fighting fucking batman, they complain that the movie says >um, actually, you were dumb for liking the first movie and making it your whole personality (which nobody did)the same way that people think they're smart when they say>um, actually, you know tyler durden is the BAD GUY, right????because theyr'e fucking political brained retards who forgot how to like things that are cool without conforming THEIR entire personalities around it, and they assume anyone who likes Joker 1 (again, even though it was massive crossover hit that your mom probably liked) wants to be fucking a schizophrenic rape victim who shoots people that are meanno, nobody wants to be that, but it's a good story to watch and being happy that he gets to shoot everyone who sucks is not reflective of a viewer's personalityyou have the same brain as an isolated, out-of-touch kale salad eating fag living on beach somewhere
>>219441187>>219441194ive already addressed everything you guys said and youve refused to refute mine. people were complaining about joker 2 before it even released when they heard it was going to be a musical too.
>>219437725I mean who hasn’t been fucked in the ass? Think about it.
>>219441250>thats a bad comparison because female ghost busters had nothing to do with the original characters. joker 2's character is in line with joker 1's.except all the original (living) actors appear and behave as lateral characters to their previous roles and the actor who played the sarcastic, witty leader of the ghostbusters and is now played a sarcastic, witty "different" is just mean to the women the whole time and then gets murdered by a dragon
>>219441333This is the last (you) you're getting from me. Thanks for wasting my fucking time you retard.
>>219440856fucking dumbass take
>>219438187>thread posted without consent>replies to nonCon thread without consent
>>219438137Bro nobody watched this.
>>219437725THATS AMORERAPE
>>219441368ThisIt's time to get raped
>>219441258>what the fuck are you even talking about?dancing, trying to be popular on murray's comedy show, etc>however, nobody complains about him not fighting fucking batman, they complain that the movie says nope, lots of people were complaining about that and that it was nothing like the 1st movie. they were even criticizing the movie before it released when they heard it was going to be a musical.>>um, actually, you know tyler durden is the BAD GUY, right????again, the point that joker 1 made in the movie is that people only cared about the joker. in joker 2 they made the same point further except also pointed out lots of people irl didnt care about arthur either and only cared about the joker. joker 2 didnt betray the characterization of arthur.
>>219441510Some days you rape, some days you get raped. That’s life.
>>219437725
i would like to insert my hard penis into the Joker's pillowy bussy
>>219441403i accept your concession faggot. its like talking to a brick wall with you>>219441369ok then. i havent seen ghostbusters 2016. my point is that joker 2's characterization didnt betray joker 1's despite how much the audience seethes about it, and most only cared about joker and not arthur.
>>219441429Filtered
>>219437725Crust status?
>>219441567>again, the point that joker 1 made in the movie is that people only cared about the jokerarthur is the joker, there's no distinction, he just puts on makeup
>>219441617Same
>>219441712no, arthur was a decent person trying to get by and had dreamers of being a performer. deep down he was never a person who wanted to just kill people
>>219437963Yes, chuds need keep their mass shootings in schools and churches, or else.
>>219441823decent people everywhere desire to and sometimes do murder random thugs who deserve itmost of the time they even get away with itnot unlike, again, the guy is arthur is partially based on, who shot four gang members who were being mildly aggressive and he only got charged for having a gun illegally, while the shooting was deemed as legal
>>219441698God this dude ugly!
>>219441708To dust.
>>219438320>self-hate for gay impulses>hide gay fantasies behind racism>free gay sex!
>>219441921regardless, its clear that arthur was about his dreams of being a performer. its a focal point throughout almost the entire movie. he wasnt ever about plotting to bring change to the system or be hailed as some hero; that was just what people in the movie wanted of him and a lot of people irl too. which makes you wonder why so many people insist that they intended for joker and arthur to be hated when even in joker 1 every in the movie was praising the joker.
>>219442220>>219440299
>>219442220except the movie presents a valid critique of arthur shooting random men on the subway even if they "deserved" itthe point is no one is going to be upset about it, most people wouldn't even be upset if it happened in real life, which it did
>>219442220It is legitimately almost like you have a point to make, but whatever it is it's locked behind a skill check you're just one point too low to pass.
>>219442279>>219442328>>219442343ive already given examples how irl tons of people didnt care about arthur and only the joker, and i dont recall in joker 1 anyone in the movie caring about arthur as a person before or after he became the joker; they legit only cared about what they thought he symbolized.
>>219442479you actually haven't given a single example
>>219438508kek, I love AI
>>219442567Dammit, I had an inkling that this was AI like 3 responses ago, but I was holding out hope that it was just one retarded guy. Guess the fool is me.
I didn't even get more than 5 minutes into the movie. Garbage.
>>219442543i have a bunch of times. for example they were criticizing joker 2 before it even released because they heard it was a musical, because dude thats not what joker is supposed to be about!
>>219442777nah you got totally bodied by >>219440299no use in this limpdicked deflection
>>219442942>everybody cared about arthur dude!>uhhh, why does the movie contain scenes about him fantasizing about him dancing? i dont remember that in joker 1!youre not beating the allegations
>>219442777criticizing a sequel for being a musical when the previous film was not is not a critique that is unique to Joker 2, had anyone ever been dumb enough to do such a thingIt's not exactly something one could prove, but if Mamma Mia 2 had not been a musical, that would have surely been a common critique, and it wouldn't be directly related to a perceived misreading of the traits of meryl streep's character
The movie was worth its existence if only because its now possible to completely destroy any Joker poster by asking about the status of his ragsI kneel, Mad Eye Moody
>>219443047joker 1 wasn't a musical and you sure as shit weren't complaining about it not being authentic to arthur's character when it first came outyou're just fucking retarded and i mean this completely unironically and without any exaggeration, your IQ must be like 80, this is some of the dumbest shit ive ever read on /tv/
>>219443049>>219443150you may not like it being partially a musical (its not a musical btw) but its completely relevant to my point that people were trying to say it's not relevant to the character before they even saw the movie, when in reality it is relevant to the character. you dont have to like joker 2 but people trying to say joker 2 doesnt match the character or that they totally care about arthur and not just the joker are wrong.
>>219443376it's not really relevant, arthur wanted to be a stand up comedian, not a lounge singer
>>219443376>people were trying to say it's not relevant to the characterit isn't, as i said here >>219443150 which is not even an opinion, it's just basic logic that you're too retarded to grasp>people trying to say joker 2 doesnt match the character or that they totally care about arthur and not just the joker are wrong.nice try but >>219440299 annihilated this retarded drivel
what a dumb thread
>>219437963This isn't even the first time something like this happened. American History X has the politically incorrect MC get raped in prison and it be his turning point. No, seriously. That's what happens
>>219443789For you
>>219443669youre just retarded. you just keep crying and repeating the same posts when i already addressed them>>219443599in joker 2 it was mostly him dancing, along with some singing. i would say based off joker 1 he wanted to be a performer, or was just artistic in general with how he expresses himself. hence why he was dancing so much, temporarily a clown, and wanting to be a comedian on a show.
>>219443881>i would say based off joker 1 he wanted to be a performer,Yes, a specific kind of performer. A stand-up comedian. He goes to comedy clubs, he writes jokes, his idol is a late night hose and former comedian. He works as a clown because it's the only way he can figure out how to make people laugh (though unsuccessful) before he gets his "big break".It's all there in the movie.
>ohh people didn't care about arthur!>they did, here's proof>ohh people didn't care about arthur!kek
is it really a fucking musical
>>219444080i said in the movie they didnt, which is true. i said irl a lot of people didnt, which is true and i gave examples. some people cared about arthur and the joker, such as myself.>>219444023so youre just going to pretend he wasnt dancing a lot throughout the movie and him fantasizing a lot in joker 2 just makes no sense?
>>219444279>i said irl a lot of people didnt, which is trueno, read >>219440299
>>219444339youre retarded. already been addressed a bunch of times. stop crying or actually try to refute what i say
>Daily Joker rape thredcool
>>219444431never been addressed a single time, absolutely rapes and gapes your entire """argument""" and will continue to do so in perpetuity
>>219444339>>219444431Both of you shut the fuck up.
>>219444495oh ok so youre illiterate and retarded then. you said you were done replying to me btw. just confirms how retarded you are, you literally cant control yourself kek
how do you know he was raped?
>>219444691you're talking to multiple people you demented retard
>>219444279>>219444279>so youre just going to pretend he wasnt dancing a lot throughout the movie and him fantasizing a lot in joker 2 just makes no sense?nigger I dance around a little all the time, when I'm home, put on some music, do a little shuffle while I make coffee, shit like thatIt doesn't mean I want to be a singer, particularly because I'm not singing, not unlike how Arthur wasn't ever singing
>>219444752>at least take me to dinner first>taking off their hats
>>219444247The songs aren't even good. When I read it was going to be a musical I was hoping it would be a "fun" movie that had a serious tone shift in the final act.
>>219444777so youre using another person's argument and trying to say it wasnt addressed when it has been, thats even more pathetic lmao
>>219444799nigger, hes constantly dancing throughout joker 1 and 2. stop the cope. am i supposed to pretend every character in every movie is dancing all the time?
>>219444832why would anyone need to make another argument when you're getting raped by an already existing onethat's not how this works
they really killed the character just because of Gypsycrusader
>>219444941actually i raped you via facts and logic and you will never recover. sorry downie
>>219444907>stop the copewhat cope?you can't even make a real argument>he danced around, so he obviously wanted to be a singerremember when I posted all the examples of how he wanted to be a fucking comedian, not a singerand your response is>well ... he dances!
>>219445218>joker 1 is artistic in expression and performative likes to dance a lot>joker 2 he meets a woman who he thinks genuinely likes him>he fantasizes dancing with her on stage>this makes no sense! wtf were they thinking!?
>>219440856How long until Todd Philips gets raped for wasting studio money
>>219439624>imageI think the resident retard believes that's the actual line from the movie.
>>219445358you understand your point was originally how it totally made sense that Joker 2 was a musical, rightyou really suck at this
>>219445591im guessing you didnt watch it then because hes dancing and performing throughout those scenes in joker 2. guess what he did in joker 1? fantasizing being with a woman, dancing, performing. its not a hard concept to grasp. youre better off just saying you simply dont like the movie, which is fine. but your argument is dumb.
>>219445482What makes you think they haven’t been raping him this entire time since it came out?
>>219439520wtf man.the doujins way better where joker forces batman to diddle his thin, supple, twinky robin, and then when they escape they fuck anyways because batman is like the ultimate daddy bara
>>219440856>Todd Phillips trolled the audience like the Joker wouldThat's one way to look at it I guess.
>Stop laughing you freak, this isn't funny. The whole fucking city is on fire because of what you did.And then as we all remember, Arthur famously replied,>I know. Isn't it terrible that nobody is talking about me, the real Arthur Fleck, whom I very specifically asked not to be introduced as on Murray's show? Woe is me, for these people do not care for the real me, Arthur Fleck (not the Joker), and I will probably get raped in prison until I cease all thoughts of resistance, to make sure that these murders, which I absolutely did not want to commit, will never happen again.
>>219446311>i am le jonkler i do not forgive i do not forget expect us we are le clownnoymous
>>219445805>dancing and performingnot singingand you do understand a movie can have singing without being a musical, right?not that there was singing in joker 1, but still
>>219439520>fan film that used to be on youtube where a heroin addict kidnaps batman, "proves" his ethos wrong, and then rapes batmanhttps://youtu.be/QUAXIMoZuBM lmao I never heard of this but want to watch it
>>219447283it's some weird cuck's ethos about how batman is bad, basicallyif it was made today people would unironically celebrate it
GG Allin if he stopped wearing his shit covered persona for even 1 second
Joker 1 came out at the right time but Joker 2 is too far ahead of it.
Just try to rise up. Try to stop us. We have everyone on our side. America, Israel, all the banks, all the mega-corporations, every single mentally ill LGBT. You will be raped. We will gape your asshole. The Joker was raped. You will be raped. Stand down.
>>219446802Joker 2 being post-ironic cringekino would've had a chance of actually being enjoyable to watch.
FARTS
>>219437725https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DY1TCHkOPU
>>219437963>>219438132>>219439728>>219439838The original film was about the working class finally revolting against the capitalist class. The start of the whole thing is the wealthy taking Arthur's meds away, which is why he starts hallucinating and shit. Incels, for whatever reason, ignored that constantly repeated message and instead just made it all about how people disliking you made you a revolutionary who was right about society.
If you rape your enemies you win
>>219437963>it was a warning Then 2 months later Luigi (allegedly) accidentally the whole United Healthcare CEO
>>219451451We will rape every single incel that tries to fight us. Chuds this is your warning, stay quiet or get gaped.
>muh rapeThey legit just gave him a shower. It's a common thing that happens with psychotic inmates who neglect their hygiene.
Was the clussy worth it
>>219439520Wtf why did you lie there's no rape: >>219447283
>>219438508KEK
>>219437725>I been a puffer, a poofter, a ponce and a catcher…>A bottom, a twink …
>>219451835 >>219447394 lmaoooWatch at around 12 minutes in... he has batman chained up and butt fucks him to the "Gotham's sexiest man" news report
>>219451589but you see it doesn't count because actually the people love the CEO Killer and not the REAL Luigi
>>219452847Message unclear. I guess in the sequel, Jeff Bezos will have his asshole turned into the size of a tangerine instead of having his brains splattered all over the sidewalk on CNN.
>>219453011Men like Jeff Bezos aren't the issue. The issue is chuds and incels who think committing violent crime against innocent men is fine just because those men are wealthy. Joker 2 prevented mass violence by raping the Joker.
>>219453080>innocentThompson and his ilk have a much bigger body count than Lugi. That's why his death was treated with the contempt it rightly deserved.
>>219453284We will rape you incel.
>>219453284Fucking A.
>>219437725AVGN did it better
>>219437725everytime i scroll past this fucking thumbnail i click it thinking it's Irreversible and it's monica belluci getting raped. fuck you
>>219454465Would it helped if someone shooped Arthur's face and clussy onto Monica's body from Irreversible?
>>219454269How did he predict this??
i hope this will happen to all superheroes
>>219440350thats the difference between some terrorists or warlords from somewhere like Somalia and revolutionaries like Lenin.
>>219454465its not even the same angle, lighting, direction, color, or anything. like its not even remotely close at all. the fuck
>>219440151what about Arthur smiling to the little niglet in the bus? He clearly also loves working as a clown surrounded by children in the hospital but he fucks up. The point was that society was fucked up and full of hypocritical faggots like Thomas wayne but children were pure and Arthur noticed that. He was a sort of a Catcher in the Rye
i feel like he didnt get raped; at worst in regards to that sort of thing he probably got a body cavity search; the guards just suddenly deciding to rape him because of a quip from the joker just really doesnt match their character and is too bizarre.
>>219437963>Thanks for making my first film a success, now get butt fucked
>>219455845"Deadpool rapes the Marvel Universe "
>>219443789t. raped bitch
>>219463611But can he rape the Tokyo Tower though
>>219437963Duh, why else do you think they gave him a blank cheque?
>>219451835I guess you missed that part where they do a split screen of batman grunting while the guy is fucking him in the ass
>>219461073realistically they'd just toss him in a cell with a rapist or use tools at hand. why would a guard want to fuck some inmate's dirty ass?
Gunn allowed this by the way
>>219437725THE JOKER GOT RAPED?
>>219461073you sound raped
>>219437725Jokester's spoodge-filled butthole
>>219457282it's a thumbnail and it's similar cope and seethe blindy
>>219437725Sometimes you get buttraped, thats life. You take your licks and pull yourself up by the bootstraps and keep on truckin. Get a grip, millenial
>>219466181how do you know i sound like you?
>>219437725This is what will happen to all chuds once the Iran situation gets sorted out and the hunts begin.
>>219437963It was a warning to the studio that they should not have wasted millions of dollars on this pointless sequel.
>Arthur is not the JokerThis shit has never made any sense. He was being the Joker even before he had an audience so it's fucking stupid to claim that it was forced upon him.
>>219466705no its literally not similar at all
I identified with the Joker in the first movie, but when he got raped in the second movie, I immediately stopped identifying with him, so if that was the producers' intention, it worked.
>>219469498No, he wasn't. You simply didn't get the movie and that's why your hero got raped, chud.
>>219469498>>219473674it's kinda disingenuous to say joker and arthur have the same characterizations. arthur was someone who was trying to get by and doing the right thing and wanted to be a comedian, joker was someone who just wanted to resort to murder to people who wronged him. it's technically the same person sure but he never comes across as someone who only wants chaos forever and often murdering people, like with other jokers.
>>219475847i also think the idea is supported in the 1st movie by clearly showing that no one in the movie cared about arthur at all, only cared when he was the joker.
>>219475847Arthur was fucking miserable and living in constant fear and under heavy sedation. "Joker" is just Arthur at his most honest and unrestrained, he's finally free of the burdens and torment he's had to endure his whole life. Joker has never been forced upon him by anyone, being the perpetually depressed and helpless "Arthur" is what society wanted him to be. They wanted him to suffer in silence and die in a ditch, out of sight out of mind.His jokes were always morbid as fuck, he just began to direct that morbidity at others instead of only at himself. Only after seeing how much mayhem he's caused on his police car ride does he laugh genuinely and not just because of his condition. He's still his old goofy and awkward self, none of his mannerisms have changed whatsoever. He's just discovered a way to both be himself and be happy.>You wouldn't get it.The Arthur at the start of the movie would NEVER say this, he'd go right on with his shitty joke because he was desperate for even the smallest of crumbs of affection. At the end of the movie Arthur no longer needs others to listen to his shit jokes because he's no longer desperate for approval. He's found his own happiness.
America is against you. Israel is against you. Hollywood is against you. The banks are against you. Billionaires are against you. LGBT,. BIPOC,. are against you. You are on the wrong side of history. Resist and you will be raped. We are the good guys.
>>219476555its fair to say that being off meds helped unleash his inner self but even so i would argue that there wasnt really any depiction about being a wild vigilante hero/villain; he was more about his own self interest. for example he was formal when hallucinating about a relationship with a woman. and how he was planning on killing himself instead of murray, but suddenly decided otherwise. he was clearly an impulsive person. so after the high of all of it wears off from being in prison for a long time, i think its reasonable arthur/joker wouldnt care that much about being some icon that people thought he represented. you even said yourself that he was no longer desperate for approval. so i still dont understand why people try to say joker 2 betrayed the character from joker 1.
>>219477142Arthur may not have cared for his actions in the context of political movements but he still loved the carnage he caused and I don't see why he wouldn't be seeking to cause more. He has very evidently both externalized his morbid sense of humor and developed a taste for violence and killing.The problem with Joker 2 is that the continuity finds itself in this peculiar place where it's as if the first movie did happen but at the same time it also basically didn't. Arthur is back to his start of first movie self, to being the self-deprecating and crushed shell of a man who for some strange reason needed to suddenly relearn everything he's already learned over the course of the first film. Except the lesson this time around is apparently that he was actually happier being suicidally depressed and the subject of perpetual abuse, and that you'll get raped into submission and killed if you ever dare to act out against any injustices done to you.
>>219438508These are strange times Strangest of times
>>219477955i think its pretty realistic for someone who's not a psycopath/sociopath to no longer desire being like that after a long time of being locked up. i think joker 1 was a depiction of someone snapping due to constant trauma piling up, not someone whos secretly a psychopath/sociopath and wants endless destruction and constantly kill people.i think a lot of people have a problem with joker 2 because maybe it's too realistic with everything and not filled with excitement like joker 1 and because he gets the bad ending that people try to say that the writers character assassinated him, when i personally when i watched both movies i feel like the character was consistent and any development was reasonable. i personally like arthur/joker and both movies even though they were different with one getting a good ending and one getting a bad ending.
>>219478314>not someone whos secretly a psychopath/sociopathDo you really not remember what his "joke book" looked like? The morbid shit he joked about that he always thought was the funniest shit in the world?Man, just look at this image >>219439946The juxtaposition is so intentional and obvious. He's the happiest he's ever been. There's no misunderstanding going on here.
>>219437963Yes. I went to Joker 2 wearing my Maga hat and dressed like the Joker and was shouting at the normies and thots that they were gonna get what they deserved and 5 minutes into the movie the kinoplex officers turned on the lights and came in and SA'd me while everyone cheered.
>>219478459Good, that's what all MAGA rethuglicans deserve. Speak up and we will rape your asshole little chud.
>>219478437no, i dont think joker 1 depicted him as someone who was evil. i dont think it was a coincidence that they constantly showed trauma after trauma after trauma.
>>219478459Damn you got jonkled?
>>219478517furthermore, even during his mania stage he wasnt being chaotic who wanted to fuck over people. like when hallucinating a decent formal relationship with a woman, and sparing the midgets life because joker didnt feel like the midget wronged him or anything.
>>219443845To be fair the original ending also has that character go back to his ways after his brother gets killed. Feeling validated and perpetuating the cycle of hatred and violence. The director was a real one.
>>219437725Timmys will never truly recover from this, will they?
>>219454269Lol
>>219478517>>219478647the implication in the last scene is that he's laughing over having a hand in the creation of batmanhe is evil, he's just justified to be that way
>>219478878They got raped in their buttholes
>>219478998>the implication in the last scene is that he's laughing over having a hand in the creation of batmanWhich is also directly confirmed by script leaks.
>>219466705>Stop telling me I'm wrong no you're the one seething
>>219478998but most of the movie, whether when he was on meds or not, he was acting in accordance to what he thought was justified. he deliberately wasnt killing the midget, he wasnt raping a woman in his fantasy, not running around shooting cops or civillians, etc. it's not a coincidence that the movie only showed him attacking who he felt wronged by. sure he enjoyed the chaos it ended up all causing but that high wouldnt last forever unless he was someone who truly was evil, but i dont think thats what the movie showed nor do i think that was intent from the writers. if that was the intent from the writers they probably wouldnt give him a good ending and would explicitly show just how gruesome the chaos he caused affected innocent random people. i think the movie clearly showed someone who was strange and just snapped due to constant trauma, not someone who was always evil, especially when the movie is making it clear he was innocent in a lot of things and that some people/society were legitimately fucking him over and that he was a true victim at times.
>>219479388>he's not literally killing and raping everyone he sees indiscriminately all the time so that means he's a good little boy???
>>219437725>I posted it again!
>>219479455i never said he was good or what he caused is justified, im saying he wasnt ever about constant chaos and constant suffering for random people. i said that he merely snapped due to trauma inflicted by others and was only targeting who he felt wronged by. come on, it's not hard to grasp.
>>219479598sure seemed to have a good laugh at bruce getting orphaned by the riot he caused
>>219445482He's literally in director jail right now for doing what he did, it's going to take a while before he comes backPeople need to remember the monumental failure that Joker 2 was
>>219479647i dont remember him laughing at an orphan. but yes he obviously enjoyed the thrill it all caused, hes not a good person. i just simply dont think him enjoying the aftermath defines him entirely because throughout the entire movie hes first depicted as a decent person and then as someone who only kills who he feels really wronged him. that to me just shows someone who snapped not someone who is just innately evil.
>>219479837He’s in director jail for joker, a movie about a beaten down man retaliating and being rewarded for it, not the “crime doesn’t pay” sequel.
>>219480110>i dont remember him laughing at an orphanit’s the final scene. “You wouldn’t get it.” He’s laughing about Bruce being an orphan just like him.
>>219480344>"ackshually the elites hated le based chud movie that made them billions and loved the sequel that was a massive bomb and nobody liked" Retard
>>219480548Anon it’s verboten to make movies in the US where crime, in any capacity, pays. Whole series have been commissioned specifically and solely to dispel the idea that a character from another series got away with anything or benefited at all.
Stop seething. You will be raped. We are the good guys. We won. America won. Israel won. LGBT won. BIPOC won. Mental illness won. Epstein won. Be quiet or you will be gaped.
Is it possible to be raped to death by a single word?
