>Author Andy Weir joined popular YouTube film and culture critic The Critical Drinker, aka Will Jordan, to talk about the film and his goal with the story. Jordan said that from the outside, the film was so good and well-received in part because it avoided the "crappy identity politics" taking over Hollywood.>"For me, it's a great example of what you can do now with movies," Jordan said. "If you're faithful to the source material, and you don't insult the intelligence of your audience, and give them something really interesting to grapple with, and you know, dare I say it, [don’t] try and shove, like, crappy identity politics into it, you end up with a g***** good movie at the end of it that the people just want to watch.">Weir immediately agreed, saying that's a purposeful decision he's made.>"I think you and me are kind of on the same wavelength there when it comes to fiction writing," he explained. "I never put any politics or messaging in any of my stories at all. There's no deeper meaning; there isn't even any symbolism, even non-political. There's just no symbolism at all. My books are just purely to entertain."He continued, showing he's familiar with Jordan's work, saying, "You don't have to worry about ‘the message.'"
> And here’s another thing: I pitched a Star Trek show to Paramount, and I was in Zoom with the showrunners with all the shows and spent a lot of time talking to [executive producer Alex Kurtzman]. I don’t like a lot of the new Trek. He, as a person, is a really nice guy. But at the same time, those shows are sh*t. He is a nice guy. But they didn’t accept my pitch so, you know, fuck 'em.Based Andy Weir.
>>219472553>dogshit reddit movie maker is associated with a kosher rightleaning release valve therefore we must have countless threads about how "based" this shit is when the critically panned Ad Astra is a thousand times better. Does anyone else remember that when you pointed out Chris Pratt is a terrible choice for Mario, bots would call you a tranny because Chris Pratt is one of the few Hollywood celebs who is openly Christian?
>>219473964Christians are dog shit. No one likes them. They're also fags and scumbags.
>>219472553Further proof that the right cannot make art.
>>219472553>you end up with a g***** good moviewhat is this unspeakable g-word?
>>219473964>kosher rightleaning release valveMohameds come up with such fascinating word salads lately.
>>219473964its hard to believe that people still fall for that grifter
>>219474159gigger
>>219472553Fun, entertaining, apolitical, tolerably redditspeak, movie with peak visuals that isn't trying to subvert muh hegemony... sounds good.Sign me up.
>>219472553I heard there's an interracial couple in it.Won't be watching.
>>219474247Oh, you crawled here from another thread. Gonna cry aboutyour girlboss Prey once again?
>>219474061Calm down, schlomo
>>219474361Try not to bomb another children concert, Hasan.
>>219472553Wow. America is living under a fascist dictatorship, trans persons and latinx are being genocided and murdered by white christian extremists and this guy wants to avoid politics? tone deaf much?
>>219474247>grifterywnbaw
>>219474203Its surprisingly accurate. Those e-celebs for the right literally are release valves for you lil chuds. Without them the school shooting rate might triple.
Based. He did what James Gunn failed super hard at… or should I say super flopped hehehehe
>>219474570Someone should come up with release valve for leftists, because there was fifth tranny school shooting in a row.
>>219472553>My books are meaningless slop and that's a good thingUh okay?
>>219472553Sounds like another Chud victory
>>219474383>Try not to bomb another childrenYeah that's your job, moshe
did andy wier write the faggot buddy comedy part in his books too?
>>219474061>jews are dog shit. No one likes them. They're also fags and scumbags.FTFY kike.
>>219472553
>"I never put any politics or messaging in any of my stories at all.>My books are just purely to entertain.Faithful adaptations make kino after kino.
>>219474748Conservatives don't make movies though, every movie is made by liberals.
>>219472553>"I never put any politics or messaging in any of my stories at all. There's no deeper meaning; there isn't even any symbolism, even non-political. There's just no symbolism at all. My books are just purely to entertain."Avoiding even symbolism feels like he's scared of sincerity.
>Tips fedora.
>>219474918Liberals don't make movies, jews do
>>219472553>Jordan said. "If you're faithful to the source material, and you don't insult the intelligence of your audienceHis movie (Rogue Elements) has a 3.8 score on IMDB.
>>219475075Jewish liberals.
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>>219472553It's hilarious seeing libs and reddit fags short circuiting with cognitive dissonance because many of their arch enemies don't hate their favorite movie and because their heckin director did an entirely inoffensive interview with an entirely inoffensive YouTuber.Btw, Critical Drinker is solidly alt center if anything, fair, regularly conflicts with chuds, but consistently points out unnecessary or overt woke messaging, aka, "the message," which is obviously helpful to many or he wouldn't be as successful.
>>219475471>get woke go broke>*movie is a hit*>hmmm acktually the movie is secretly redpilled
>>219475471>alt centernot a thing
>>219475668I remember when the critical grifter made a review of Acolyte and he constantly paused the show to count how many female characters there were on screen.
>>219475758Based. Communists btfo.
>>219475801https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P48-nYPVIxE
>>219472553This explains why he dislikes Avatar, Cameron comitted the crime of putting a pro-environmentalist message in the movie.Conservatives can't create art.
>There's just no symbolism at all.This is literally impossible.
>>219474336>heard there's an interracial couple in it.Just got back from seeing it. Yup. Not subtle hinted at either was directly rubbed in your face. The worst part was that most of the humor/dialog was reddit as hell. If you can stomach that then it was decent overall.
>>219475471The book writer knows the movie isn't woke.The conservatives know the movie isn't woke.The libs:
>>219475668Tis tho. It means holding opinions that would conflict with the left and some that conflict with the the right, while also holding the odd opinion that would be considered "alt right" by the media and academia, but common sense to others. The term "centrist" doesn't really account for such a position so unless you have a better one, "Alt centrist" or maybe "far centrist" will suffice.
Troons from reddit whine about "non gendered pronouns" for Rocky.
>>219474570It's illiterate, you fucking moron.Where are you from? If there is a library in your town I recommend you spend more time there and less time here.
>>219473964Christians are allowed to do poor acting, while atheists are held to a higher standard? You are confusing likability with acting skills, or maybe to you likable left-wingers are automatically better at acting.
>>219473964>kosher rightleaningA lead character most people can imagine inviting over to hang out with is evil, but broken homes demand extra federal funding to rehab women, children, CPS, an d NGO-employing liberal arts?
>>219474061I like them and hate faggot smug atheists like you
>>219473964>director makes shameless propaganda movie>SEETHE >director makes non-propaganda movie>SEETHEI think you just want to be mad. Consider touching a gun barrel to your temple and pulling the trigger
The movie with two White leads is a box office hit, the audience and critics love it in a post-woke era.
Watched the film but went pee a few times so I might have missed it. Can anyone explain how the pilot and engineer died? I'm guessing suicide since they mentioned that they would eventually but wouldn't they stay awake to help Grace with his work?
>>219477659>mentionedTheir bodies didn't survive the extended coma thing for an unspecified reason
>>219472553Imagine even trying to pander to idiots like this Critical Drinker guy and his fanboy audience. And in such a blatant way too.
>>219472553This shit was worse than the message: It's pure redditslop.
>>219476382Those people don't subscribe to the "death of the author" theory in even its softest interpretation. For them, there cannot be anything in a text that the author did not explicitely and intentionally put there. They do not understand the art of interpretation, that a text has a dynamic of its own, and that readers are autonomous beings.Thus, if the author says "I didn't intend anything in the text to mean anything", that means no one is allowed to derive meaning from it. It really is that simple when you're dealing with brainlets like this.
>>219472553My biggest Issue with Andy Weir's stories is that in each one, multiple world super powers all collectively agree to help and work with each other right away. It's so implausible that in a way, it is non-political.
>>219482159Everything is political, that example circles around to being right-wing (the belief that the world powers of today are not so nihilistic that they would want to save the world).
>>219482390It's actually a pretty strong lefty ideation.
>>219472553>The Critical Drinker, aka Will JordanIt speaks strongly to my sense of correctness that "the critical drinker" should have such a noncy-arsed real name. As you were.
>>219474629The shootings will probably continue until we're treated better.
>>219472553there is nothing interesting to grapple with though. there's moment-to-moment interest about what's going on in the story, but there's absolutely nothing left to think about once the movie is over
>>219474431this but unironically
redditslop and griftslop and didn't mario beat it to oblivion?
>>219482820yea it's weird this is being treated as a huge success when nobody is knew saw it and the budget with amazon marketing was probably 400mil
>>219482820>redditslop and griftslopSo basically the "right wing" equivalent of Everything Everywhere All At Once?
>>219472553> my movies are only for entertainment without any substance or conflict
>>219476664>you can be centrist and believe in alt-right hoaxeryyeah maybe if you're a fuckin moron and don't know what either of those things are
>>219474061Cool opinion, Ricky Gervais.
>>219476853It sounds like that's how it was in the book though?
>>219482542not in this geopolitical setup
>>219474061Shalom
>>219483151>substance and conflict can only be derived from woman moment, nigger moment, and capitalism bad
>>219481704At the risk of having Everyone mad at me, can I be somewhere in between? Obviously authors can put things into works unintentionally and things can gain more context over time but I think the author's interpretation of their own work (assuming they're not a grifter or something) should hold more weight than others.
>>219483363>You are straw! You are a man of straw, I say!
>>219482886>budget : 200m>box office : 425myou lost
>>219483215I don't like him either but he was right and honest about Hollywood being full of pedophiles.
>>219474918They do like Gibson and Eastwood. The issue is there isnt really that many giga rich conservatives in the entertainment industry. Very few producers will fund a right leaning movie/show, so it has to be all funded by that person.
>>219483412Nah, yours is a very sensible position to take, and actually quite common. Barely anyone takes a "hard" death-of-the-author stance nowadays, where nothing about the author's intent matters and you're not even allowed to ask what was actively put into the text. Academic literary analysis tends to do both approaches, usually, looking at the text without the context an author's biography provides, and then also looking at how an author's life or opinions have informed the text. The more approaches you have, the more fruitful the endeavour.
>>219483412For certain things I would agree you can take an author at their word to clear up character motivations or something. But every writer will always bleed their true world perspective onto the pages even if they try not to. If theyre a left winger trying to be in the mind of a right winger, their mind is in the prospective of a right winger from a left wingers pov. You have fags trying to say Lotr wasnt an inherently a catholic text. Tolkien did say this at first but changed his perspective, saying im catholic, so that effected how he wrote the book.But you also have authors who have a mental breakdown like the matrix directors who said it was always about tranny shit. Maybe it was who knows
>>219483363I don't have the DEI brainworm that you people have. Man does science is just the most boring possible trope in a scifi movie
>>219474092It managed to make you upset, thats something
>>219483300>yay lets all work together!>not leftylmao
Sometimes the amount of cynicism in this board becomes utterly disgustingYou faggots aren ever satisfied with anything, it's like you enjoy being angry all the timeIf it has a political message, its stupid because of said message, but if it doesnt have that, its meaningless slop? So what gives? I bet you niggers dont even know what you want to see for sure, you just come here to complain and take a shit on everything
>>219486515the movie was way too happy go lucky thoughbeit
>>219482159I'm pretty sure that if we faced a real world ending threat so obvious everyone can see it coming, the world would put aside their differences and work together until its done before going back to their petty conflictsAnd if you think otherwise, you are far too gone with the doomposting
>>219474159goddamn
>>219486515People will shit on anything new that comes out, but never ask them about their favorite movies or shows, they will refuse to give a clear answer because they know they will be bashed for it too, it's how this place works
>>219474092The left can't make men or likable women
>>219475010Does that matter?
>>219486552And? Is that supposed to be a bad thing? If anything it makes the movie better than the bleak shit we get lately
>>219486515>but if it doesnt have that, its meaningless slop?To be fair though, this might be the very first time the author himself comes out saying that his work is literally meaningless slop. In an interview with one of the worst grifters on youtube, nonetheless.
>>219486801Very true, we need more positivity in our culture, hope and shit.
>>219472553Wow, two morons agreeing with each other? What riveting news
>>219486801>everyone on earth is going to die>hehehe buddy comedy timeit's extremely schizoprhenic as a film
>>219486515The problem is that you can have a point or a message outside of a political one. He openly admits to making a story without any meaning he didn't even make a story where the purpose is don't worry or not everything needs to be grand he's just writing a book of symbols. He's admitting to somehow saying less then nothing.
how did rocky understand grace?
>>219490630Eridians remember everything. Once he heard a word from Grace he knew it forever
>>219491598how did he know what the word meant in his language tho
>>219486515nihilism and apathy are at all time highs
>>219490621>The problem is that you can have a point or a message outside of a political one.Yeah, except that grifters like this Drinker guy twist and turn any message you have into a "political" message and then condemn you for it. That's their whole shtick.Remember when they pretended that the Star Wars sequels had brought (left-wing) politics into the franchise by ... questioning war profiteering, I guess, while the originals having an allegory for the Vietkong help the heros fight the evil American Empire or the prequels retelling Hitler's rise to power and enacting a Reichskritallnacht against the jedi never were completely unpolitical?
>>219474061
>>219472553If it is apolitical, it means it is right aligned. Cancel this movie
