media illiteracy: the character
>be chud>die for nothing kekWhat did Moore mean by this
>>219479860>um ackchually he had INTEGRITY! Because....um....because....well he wouldn't COMPROMISE his belief in...uuuuh...
>>219479860Why didn't he patent the mask and make billions? We still don't have this technology today
i unironically wish i had the discipline and fortitude to be Rorschach.
>>219480030How do most readers / viewers miss the fact Rorschach DID compromise his beliefs by begging Manhattan to kill him?
>>219480127Why was he triggered by Ozymandias' plan in the first place? How did it in any way conflict with his beliefs?
>>219479860bizarre.. i watched this yesterday. hes basically me
he's literally me bros...
>>219480030How is he any different than Batman?
>>219480185It killed innocents which in his Manichaean worldview meant the plan was evil even if it accomplished a greater good. There was no room for grey morality for Rorschach, hence why he literally sees the world through black & white with his mask.
>>219480317Batman has sex and isn't a nazi
>>219480317In this respect he isn't, Batman would definitely seek to bring Veidt to justice.
>>219480030>>219480185>there is good and there is evil and evil must be punished.He openly states what his beliefs are you retards.
>>219480325Except there is no reality where premeditated mass murder could ever be construed as 'good' or even good adjacent. There are issues which are 100% black and white, this is one of them.
>>219480462what if it saved billions of lives??
>>219480462It does if you adopt a consequentialist perspective (Ozymandias) instead of a deontological perspective (Rorschach)
>>219480563Sorry I don't speak r*ddit.
>>219480280Impossible. I didn't write this and I am him. Basically. And Literally.
>>219480526Don't respond to him he is fucking trolling. Of course a false flag attack to prevent ww3 and extinction is better than just extinction.
>>219480526>>219480563>>219480698>we must kill millions because billions might dieJust because something “might” happen doesn’t mean it will and if your first instinct to solve the problem is killing millions of people then you’re not morally grey, you’re just evil.
>>219479860Media illiteracy is just a newspeak word for there can only be one interpretation of something.Leftists love to destroy language.
>>219480426You’re arguing with someone who thinks killing everyone in New York to achieve Project Blue Beam would count as “good”. To simplify, you’re arguing with a stupid person.
I like characters like Rorschach, Juaquin's Joker, and Travis Bickle BECAUSE they're mental ill incel losers
>>219480563You can dress it up in 5 dollar words all day long, it won't make it correct. Mass murder remains an inherently evil thing to do in reality and reality adjacent fiction.
>>219479860We don't need to keep having this thread
>>219480823>NOOO THE AUTHOR'S INTENT IS IRRELEVANT!!! I GET TO DECIDE WHAT THIS FILM IS ABOUT!!Why are chuds like this??
>>219480563Btfo
>>219480989Death of the author faggot.
>>219479916>be hypocritical extremist with insane principles that you dont follow half of the time>die because of them
>>219480526True media illiteracy is not seeing why ozymandias is wrong. His action reduces humanity to a matter of numbers, and deprives it of autonomy and truth. It is an act of unspeakable evil, justified by an empty utilitarian view that deprives millions of not just their lives, but of their human dignity.What's interesting about rorsharch is that his psychosis seems to be built upon a profound misanthropy, but this misanthropy is one giant coping mechanism. In reality rorsharch doesn't hate humanity, he loves it desperately, and can't allow himself to give up on it despite himself. It's ozymandias that hates humanity, being a psychopath who sees human nature as a pesky side effect and necessary evil for society on earth to exist. He sees himself above it, as a god, until an actual god (dr Manhattan) humbles him by not affirming ozymandias' choice (nothing ever ends)Humans deserve the right to self determination, they are not ants to be tinkered with in an ant farm. Even if means that humanity might wipe itself out, it is wrong to take that from them
>>219480989Impact vs Intent.
>>219480317bruce would have lied to dr manhattan and exposed him later (dr ligma would have just killed him because he would know this would happen)
>>219481144>hypocritical extremist with insane principles that you dont follow half of the timeBut enough about Veidt.
Morals are gay.Unless you're doing it to sex up women.But also marriage is for poofs.I looksmax, therefore I am.
>>219481216half of the characters, really
>>219481146100%. I also made a similar point here >>219480944 . I don't know how often we need to go over this until it gets through people's head.
>>219480989If the author can't convey is intent or perhaps his work is perceived as the opposite thing then perhaps the author is either shit or his morality is retarded, then again, the author worships a snake god.
>>219479860>heh death of the author chud>nooooo not like that
>>219481162How do you lie to something that sees into the future?
>>219481314hes fucking batman thats how
>>219481306only chuds believe in this "death of the author" nonsense.
>>219480462>>219480840drowning the enemy army all at once is heroic. drowning them one by one is an alignment check.
>>219479860Peace founded on a lie will inevitably be exposed, he simply allowed that to occur sooner so peace can be founded on a truth or not at all instead
>>219481508nice deflection pol
>>219479860Rorschach tests are meant to be open to interpretation
>NOOOO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE DECEPTION TO ACHIEVE JUSTICE!!t. masked vigilante
>>219479860Why does his mask have to men fucking each other on it? Was he a fag?
>>219479860Seethe
>>219479860It is normal to hate pedophiles. This makes trannies seethe because they are pedophiles, jannies seethe because they are trannies, and mods seethe because they are redditer faggots who love trannies. Fuck pedosfuck tranniesfuck janniesfuck modsand most of allfuck jews
>>219479860Uh chud actually killing child rape-murderers is fascist as fuck. You're supposed to hate him like you hate your parents.
>>219480989Because Word of God vs Death of the Author. The author can say whatever they want about their work and what their intent was but authors can and will write things they didn't intend that line up with something else entirely. In Moore's case he tried to write a 'right wing nut job vigilante' and he says as much, but reality does not agree with Moore's diagnosis because Moore is a British socialist retard, so Rorschach ends up being a funny hero who kills convicts and rapists. Though I really do think a lot of this argument just boils down to trannies loving the Word of God argument because it aligns with their viewpoint that if they say they're a woman then no one should be allowed to disagree with them, not that they genyinely care if Rorschach is a fun character or is meant to be a parody of vigilante justice.
>>219482280>authors can and will write things they didn't intendholy cope
>>219481838Kek
>>219482332This reminds me of when Rings of Power came out and chuds claimed that the shot of Halbrand looking at a smithy and smiling to himself wasn't in the show intentionally. They actually thought that they accidentally filmed the actor walking past that set, the actor accidentally forgetting that he is not actually Sauron and accidentally smiling mischievously, and the editor then accidentally failing to cut this.
>>219481314He was blinded to the future, batman would gamble on such a ting, know it was happening or cause it like veidt did
DC screwed over Alan Moore but for many years he still signed comics, he is a pleasant person. In all the interviews you can watch online, he's softly spoken, funny and has many good opinions.It wasn't until DC harassed him and used his friend's brother's terminal illness against him that he truly flipped, had a few choice quotes that people still use today. This was around the time of the movie too. Alan Moore said he specifically didn't like a type of movie fan, that harassed him and acted like Rorschach. And people took this to mean, he didn't understand the heroism or Rorschach. He does. He just also understands there is more to it. So lacking this context people accuse Moore of not getting Rorschach.Rorschach is explicitly a hypocrite. His moral objectivism isn't as black and white, it's very political. E.g. he was a huge Truman fan and justified Truman's use of the bomb with the same justification as Ozymandias' plan. Of course one might argue if that was necessary or talk about the war. His first journal entry literally says he won't save people front destruction because all the politicians and whores deserve it. He fundamentally doesn't care or believe that Comedian raped Silk Spectre, in part because of his own hatred towards women, because of his mother being a whore. So is he a morally absolute person? No, he justified various things because of his politics. If anything, he seems singularly driven by this mystery despite any other untold horrible things going on. And that's the point, he hyper focuses, is hypocritical, is biased. He's what happens if someone tries to be a hero and punish evil. He both justifies people's destruction whilst also claiming to have principles, which usually involves singular drives in certain cases.The problem with the movie is, it loses a lot of nuance. While the movie looks similar visually, it tends to glorifies the story rather than criticise. Which is why stuff like Rorschach becomes messy.
>>219483045>words words wordsnot gonna read your lefty manifesto
>>219483184Bait used to be believable
>>219483184It's crazy how much right wing discourse is literally just pretending not to understand things, making discourse impossible. No wonder you love israelis so much.
I wish I had the courage to stand up for what I really believed in like Rorschach. I often have to compromise or bend my morals because it is more expediant to do so
Rorschach is right
>>219480089The mask was made from fabric technogy in a Viedt dress. He repurposed it for his mask.
>>219481137>>219480989Wasn't it yhe leftist academics who came up with death of the author to begin with? They never do like playing by their own rules.
>>219486629About?
>>219486817women
Only liberal faggot retards think Rorschach was a bad person
Isn't the world a better place now all morality is subjective?
Alan Moore regretted writing the Killing Joke and Watchmen and now considers it cringe he doesnt understand why grown men still get excited about Capeshit and he is right geek culture infantilizes people and prevents them from becoming real men
>>219489915morality was always subjective dummy, god isn't real
>>219480989If I make a piece of media where the main character repeatedly saves lives by shooting crazed-knife-wielding-stabbers and every other character praises the man for shooting the stabbers, people would be correct to take away a pro-gun message from that media, even if I were to later say "YOU'RE INTERPRETING IT WRONG I AM ACTUALLY ANTI-GUN AND THE MORALLY CORRECT THING TO DO WOULD BE TO LET THOSE GUYS STAB EVERYONE"
>>219479860>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU MUST SUPPORT THE GENOCIDE CHUD!11!!
Society wouldn't work if we all agreed to be like Rorschach, which is probably a good thing, but then we also lose the momentum for becoming an advanced race where lying to ourselves is no longer necessary. Hrm...
Very ironic considering how the real world turned out to the opposite of what Veidtfags believe. War is happening all over the world because we didn't tell the truth hard enough.
>>219480840>Mass murder remains an inherently evil thing to dowhat if the victims were Indian?
>>219481268Some people get enjoyment out of deliberately misinterpreting things, knowing that it will lead to an argument because that inevitable argument is the only time they get to interact with people
>>219491171>Nothing ever ends, Adrian>shadow shows the midnight clock hasn't changed
>>219480377>white male billionaire who beats up minorities for fun isn't a nazik
