What did "The Oracle" say to Cypher? Given that, from the start, the character was out to undermine everything, and then ended up failing to do so, what "advice" could have the cyber "Mother Abigail" have given the character, to facilitate the path of "The One" -- the former's only role in the whole cycle.Are we meant to believe that she told him to skew his aim with the "volt gun", the minutiae amount needed for the electricity to not hit a vital organ and outright kill "Tank"? That seems a tad difficult to suspend one's disbelief for... That the "The One" living on to accomplish what he did, hinged on that, one instance playing out as it did. Or is it that it was all pure chance, that the sixth iteration of "The One" got back to "The Source" all rested on "Tank" not dying / "Cypher's" poor aim...?I'm just curious because I've never come across this being discussed... Has there been an discussion on this? Did the Wachowskis ever clarify the "Cypher Paradox"...?
>>219564353Can someone explained how the Oracle was able to see the future outside of the Matrix in the real world? Isnt she just a program? How can a program have omnipotent magical powers?
>>219564437>how the Oracle was able to see the future outside of the Matrix in the real worldWhen did she do that?
>>219564437>How can a program have omnipotent magical powers?You're asking this when in Revolutions Nero was seen to have some power outside of the Matrix
why didn't they make Cypher the villain in the 4th movie? They could've had some bullshit plot where he really meant his consciousness getting uploaded and living forever. Better than the same tired anti-zionist machine plot
>>219564437they had rebooted the matrix 5 different times before neo, that is more than enough data to know human behavior + all the raw computational power they had to game theory the little variations that would occur with each version
>>219564748>You're asking this when in Revolutions Nero was seen to have some power outside of the MatrixI thought it was pretty self explanatory that was some type of wireless wifi hacking which made enough sense to me.
>>219565046>they had rebooted the matrix 5 different times before neo, that is more than enough data to know human behaviorIs that seriously the canon explanation? lmao
>>219565189the architect tells neo in 2 that they have glassed zion 5 different times, so the machines don't die in between, they only get smarter. once could easily infer that they would be smarter observing and manipulating plugged in humans every time
>>219564822>the 4th movieClearly, the Wachowski wanted to put and end to Warn-a-Brother badgering them to do sequels and games... And in this sense, he/she succeeded admirably. Any and all talk of "why didn't they...?" for that parody of a fourth film, is moot and ridiculous -- they clearly wanted to destroy what could have been the most fruitful licence since Star Wars, and likely because the HRT had re-wired their brains into a different existential state than what they were in in the 90s>they no longer "believed" as they did beforeYoung kikes are usually rather red pilled -- why they often foment and head a lot of civil unrest (70% of the black civil rights movement comprised Jews). However after a given age, most regress back to type and get hooked on blue Magen Dovid pills. This is what almost certainly happened to the Wachowskis--after they transitioned. That, and they got (and still are getting) so absurdly rich from the trilogy, that there was neither the muse nor motivation to produce something worthy of the rich tapestry that they wove a quarter-century prior... It's not easy to be creative, and even more difficult when it's on the coat tails of something as seminal as The Matrix was.
>>219565485>the machines don't die in betweenThat was a rather prescient analogy for modern-day A. I. algorithms, in how the code needs organic input from us, in order for it to "learn". Either the Wachowskis were versed in early A. I. research; were clued-in on it by sector pundits; or they just guess right.The biggest mistake they made, however, was the "batteries" premise for the "farms"... Had they gone with the originally intended "collective, organic SSD" -- allegedly, spurned due to fears that "the audience would not understand it" -- the film/s would be near-flawless. As it stands, however, the very subtext of "The Matrix" is fundamentally silly -- law of conservation of energy; super-intelligent A. I. cannot derive energy in a million other, and more efficient ways; the piddling energy from human bodies being enough etc. -- which reduces the balance of the films' appeal to their aesthetics and its standard-setting action scenes.
>>219564822Because Cypher is actually dead for real and the Meroviginan is the main antagonist of The Matrix Online. If you bothered to stick around with the MXO until the very end (nobody did and you shouldn't have) the situation before the 4th movie is that the Matrix is, itself, invaded by cyber trannies who are an ascended lifeform. Rather than fight three enemies (humans/zion, merv, and the cyborgs) the Architect just forcibly evicts all the Redpills and does a system reset. Then the humans, amongst finding the cyborgs themselves, cannot decide if they are their enemies or not so they split into two factions. Neo and Trinity are then resurrected using alien technology (established in the comic books) and the 4th Movie begins with Neo re-inserted as a bluepill.The Waschovis are done making Matrix films and unless Warner Brothers tries to do a spinoff series, it's over for real.
>>219564353in that world they have no free will but have the illusion of free will; which is kind of the problem with gnosticism because it's illusions all the way down to to the demiurge (the architect guy).
>>219564353Nothing, he understood the deeper Truth that the system was always controlling everything and Morpheus was full of shit. The subtext to the entire first movie is that Cypher had likely watched other men die, men who Morpheus convinced were the one. He lost faith because ultimately he was correct in that "The One" was some bullshit created by the machines. Any power Neo had was granted to him by the Oracle who was never a benevolent program who gave a shit about humanity, she just wanted to find a more efficient solution to the problem and possibly had an ego trip being more productive than the Architect. Essentially the master stroke behind her program is mastering the art of manipulation. The architect even states that the current iteration of the matrix works because of her discovery and manipulation which would mean that her entire procress and motivation is trying to find a solution to the minority of people who dont accept the illlusion of a choice being presented to them often by just recoding their brains and getting them to do what she wants them to do based on a grand mathematical equation which is basically spelling out, we let the humans 0.1% who reject the system leave the matrix and have their welfare city in the caves of earth while being abolsutely no threat to us while we continue to do whatever the fuck we want and harvest the rest of humanity for energy. This is the efficient solution because spending resources to wipe them out and reset the simulation isnt efficient. Essentially the Oracle is just a more advanced version of the architect and Cypher is the only one who saw through her entire bullshit and she likely used him for it as part of her plan.
>>219569532Also, because of the events of the MXO, some of which were not thought out well because Sony ran out of money, there's really no more road for the Matrix itself. The Matrix and Machine City/civilization on top of it is rolling into a war with cyborgs that it arguably cannot win without full human cooperation, and the humans themselves are divided between the true Zionists and cyborg enablers. The cyborg faction is still unknown because they are a mix of modified humans and machines grafted together. Neo, Agent Smith and Agent Wade (4th film) are examples of cyborgs or cyborg-compatible lifeforms.Basically, the Matrix has to actually stop being an oppressive machine or an outside force unrelated and unconcerned about humans comes in and steps on it. It is hard to make a film like this, the MXO tried with the Agents v. Military but it just became a C-list Metal Gear Solid in the end. There is probably no way to write a 5th and 6th Matrix film without Hideo Kojima.
>>219569669>there's really no more road for the Matrix itselfThere would have been had they done PREQUELS; of which they could have done, at very least, five iterations, for each of the previous "Neo" codes. Beyond that, they could have picked the paths of other, lesser characters, as they did in the comic -- story strands which would arguably be far richer than the "Super Jesus" route of "Neo".The fact that the Wachowski chose to do a slapstick sequel, over a prequel that the trilogy whet peoples' appetites for, in and of itself tells us that -- not unlike the foids at Disney, re. Star Wars -- she/he wanted to nail the Matrix coffin shut for aye.
>>219569659>NothingSo, Morpheus took Cypher to visit her, and she just... stared at him? Surely, she had to also manipulate Cyper in order to get the outcome that was eventually arrived at; and if she did so, do we assume she tasked him with killing Morpheus's crew?... Which then circles us back to whether Tank dodging death was orchestrated, or was it pure chance -- the latter being irreconcilable within the framework of a logic-base system... To say nothing of the notion that it only took six iterations for that fluke of flukes to manifest itself.>Cypher had likely watched other men die, men who Morpheus convinced were the oneI'm not sure that reconciles either, given that Morpheus repeatedly professes to have devoted his life to finding "The One" / Neo; which implies the he had not found him before. Moreover, had he 'found' a bunch of "Neos" prior, surely, his entire crew and beyond would have spoiled to have him committed... Certainly not followed him like a bunch of nogs did Jim Jones. Indeed, given how quickly his faith dissipated after Neo told him that he was just another "system of control", it's unlikely he would have persisted in his faith in "The One", had he discovered many before. Lastly, they would have died by the hands of agents very early in the piece, had "The One" not been who they thought he was.However, what will really curl your moustache is why there are so many dark-skinned "freed red pills" or "pure breeds" in Zion, when they had all lived either in jelly pods or underground for their entire their lives, and the generations before them, inside a world where they hadn't been sunlight for, perhaps, centuries...
>>219569039>they clearly wanted to destroy what could have been the most fruitful licence since Star WarsSorry, everything they made since Matrix 1 was disappointing at best. He didn't remember how to make a good movie just to intentionally make a bad one, it's just a bad movie.
Op pic looks like that Aussie show Mr Inbetween
>>219571166Beyond the action sequences and a few specific scenes, the sequel(s) could never have lived up to the 1999 film, and for the simple fact that the denouement that worked so well for the first film, could never again be revisited or emulated.However, most dismiss the two sequels because they see them as TWO films; when, by the Wachowskis' own words, were made as a single film that they were forced to prune and split into two, ~120-minute pieces -- resulting in the films losing a lot of their cadence. For all of the content presented in the trilogy to have had the equipollent impact that the first film had, they would have had to have released it all as a single, 6~7-hour film, with intermissions; or perhaps a television series (not viable back in the late 90s, as distinct from today).Irrespective, a stand-alone 'Reloaded' is objectively still in the top five action films ever made.>http://matrixresolutions.com/
>>219571485I have watched all three back to back, and I'm sorry, there's just no way the sequels even come close. The villains are nowhere near as compelling (even Agent Smith just feels like a generic computer virus), the designs are not as good, the effects are not as convincing, most of the set pieces are not as strong.Even the highway scene, despite being the high point of the sequels, suffers from this.The story is obviously nowhere close, I do like the reveal of the architect but the rest of the writing is poor even if you try to ignore Matrix 1 exists.The sequels are far from not just good Matrix movies, but good movies, and the fact that they should be one movie is not their greatest problem.Even if you disregard the sequels, nothing the Wachowsis made outside of Matrix movies were good. So I'll say again, they didn't remember how to make a good movie suddenly, Matrix 4 is just bad.
