>non musicians think jazz drum practice means spamming blast beats until your hands bleed
based musician OP
I don't think about jazz drum practice at all
In a real jazz program you would already have enough rebound control to where speed wouldn't be an issue.The instructors might help you work on dynamic at that point, but you probably shouldn't be struggling.
>>219591120You're forgetting the part where he breaks into a 300BPM death metal drum solo in the middle of a jazz song
>>219591181Hehe, pretty good, but can he play Enter Sandman?
>>219591241Unironically there are Metallica songs he probably wouldn't be able to play.
>>219591282Sort of agree, really depends though. Lars' album tracks are absolutely frankensteined. Bob Rock famously had to use a slave board on the black album to fit the guitars and vocals because drums alone were taking up the the main console. Those songs are many different takes and many different channels taped together, but I have seen him do okay live.
>>219591396Lars not being able to play Metallica songs doesn't mean your average jazz drummer could lolUnless they're really practiced with the double kick.
>>219591472>Unless they're really practiced with the double kick.I'm not sure what you mean. Like for instance, he can't recreate the double kick pattern on One live because it was a studio creation. I've seen Portnoy play it live for Lars and Lars almost looked confused, not that I suck off Portnoy. I suppose there could be some good live fast doubles out there of Lars but I'm not going to look for them.I agree of course that jazz chops =/= metal chops.
Few things are more lame and boring than /mu/ fags discussing time signatures and technique. Totally soulless.
>>219591586>I've seen Portnoy play it live for Lars and Lars almost looked confusedKek I need the link
>>219591650Soul is a technique.
>>219591738https://youtu.be/_kAmCyRIJLI?si=tiKgDKdnpFzJWTnY
>>219591650>technique? Rudiments? Fuck that!
>>219591282There are Metallica songs that even Lars can't play.
>>219591924Every Metallica song.
adam neely already btfo'd this hackneyed "sports" filmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFYBVGdB7MU
>>219590897Trad jazz drumming is boring as shit.
>>219591845Kek nothing he played was even that crazy. Someone who's been drumming professionally for 40 years should be able to play that.
>>219591282absolutely untrue. i would love for you to show a single track that would be even remotely challenging to a Berkley drummer
>>219591994https://youtu.be/qbwFMZTFrmU
>>219591941
>>219591902That shit is for Asian nerds.
>>219592078>The origin of snare drum rudiments can be traced back to fourteenth century Swiss mercenariesIs Switzerland in Asia?
>>219591973If you'll notice, even Portnoy was a little sloppy. No one accused either of being technique masters. Somebody with better control shouldn't have a problem. The new Rush drummer, for instance. https://youtu.be/Zae4Vo6Mx8I?si=9ql7RcNJjCx7wmGC>>219591994The public doesn't really know much about the state of the craft or where drumming is at; Berkley drumming, gospel chops, linear fills, etc.
>>219592129Don’t care. Technique autism is for incel fags.
>>219592165sounds like youre just an anti-intellectual communist retard to me and it frustrates you that you dont understand it while others do.
>>219592188>"what did the drummer get on his IQ test?">drool
>>219592188Blah blah blah. Go jerk off over your discordant math rock garbage back on /mu/
>>219590897that's literally a sports movie. replace drumming with any sport and nothing would change. it even has the obligatory career ending injury scene
>>219592042this is all piss easy to any drummer. only thing is a jazz drummer might need maybe like 30 minutes to get used to a double pedal and he could easily play this crap. could probably play it more clean than lars considering even this studio recording is sloppy as fuck
>>219591396>Bob Rock famously had to use a slave board on the black album to fit the guitars and vocals because drums alone were taking up the the main console. in english, doc?
>>219592232Do you play drums?Followup question: do you play metal drums?
>>219592220why do you think that advanced technique has to equal some math rock wankery? it could also just be some smooth as butter brushwork that sounds quite listenablehttps://youtu.be/WGdr93tnNMk?si=qvBURxnkfcaiONl_&t=35
Same energy itt
>>219592188I'm a commie and I've been defending technique this whole time. >>219592165A lot of people use technique as some sort of opposition to feel, but its really just the language of communicating feel. You can sit there with your arms crossed hating it, or you can just input the new data and watch your ideas become easier to realize.
>>219592351yes, but i dont play metal drums. im a jazz drummer. there is definitely metal drumming that is challenging to jazz drummers, but to claim that fucking ulrichslop would be even remotely difficult, especially to a berklee drummer, is laughable. i would definitely struggle with some shit like this, for instancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZhlXCQEqHc
>>219592310They had to plug in another smaller mixing board to the main mixing dest because lars' drums took up 32 tracks
>>219590897Ok, but was he rushing or was he dragging?
>>219592427>I don't play metal drums I can tell.>to claim that fucking ulrichslop would be even remotely difficult,Lars wrote great parts for 80s metallica. There is no drum beat more iconic in metal than One. He's a terrible drummer, but the parts he wrote were legendary.>i would definitely struggle with some shit like thisWTF that's so much easier than Dyers Eve lol. It's like all in 4 too lol
>>219592355I used to play a lot of acoustic shows with thunder rods and such, but I never could quite cotton to the sound of brushwork. Luckily my brother stole my brushes.
>>219592355I fully admit to being dumb when it comes to jazz. Stuff like what you linked always just sounds like coffee shop or bookstore background music to me.
>>219592529>but the parts he wrote were legendary.Really what matters is they were able to work with it to make something greater than the parts, like inverse Dream Theater; top-flight musicians that can't write a song to save their lives.
>>219592600Nah, the parts themselves were great. At least in the 80s. After that he just gave up.
>>219592427>behold the arctopusBased. Now post the version without drums.
>>219592618I dunno, Load and Reload are my favorite Metallica albums, for me they've never topped Hero Of The Day from a pure songcraft standpoint. Lars facilitated, he was always at his best with a wet fat standalone kick here and there. I guess I like the punctuated Lars.
>>219590897industrial drummer reporting in.your drum patterns are lifeless, cheap, and easily done by drum machines.you'll never sound as good and at the end of the day your music is so over processed in modern mixing DAWs that it is more robotic than literal ones and zeroes in a machine.stay mad.
>>219592716To each their own. I think Lars doing anything outside of thrash was complete garbage. I think his best drum part ever was maybe Disposable Heroes.
>>219592737Too bad you can't improvise on the fly
>>219592737>music is so over processed in modern mixing DAWs that it is more robotic than literal ones and zeroes in a machineHave you considered the fact that that sounds like garbage?
I’ve always found drum solos more obnoxious than impressive.
>>219592427Math rock can be pleasant, too. https://youtu.be/bikIdnMf2gs?si=XA5-EC474noiCss1
>>219592853I'm a drummer and I agree. I have no reason to listen to a drum solo instead of a song with a cool drum part.
>>219592537sure, thats fine, but its just the claim that caring about technique means you have to be some ridiculous soulless math rock faggot just pushing as much bullshit into the music as possible for good boy points is a stupid way to think about music. good technique just means efficiency and versatility allowing for greater degree of expression. what it ultimately sounds like is another thing.>>219592875i agree, i love math rock, but im just addressing the anon who claims that caring about technique means you only jerk off to soulless unmusical shit like jacob collier or something.
>>219592427What's up with the jazz superiority complex? No, a jazz drummer can't just instantly become a good thrash metal drummer because they play jazz.
>>219592937never said anything about that. MY ONLY POINT is to claim that a fucking berklee drummer cant play fucking metallica of all bands is ridiculous. i have huge respect for great metal drummers, its just that i dont have any respect for lars and his terrible fucking playing. shocker, i know.
>>219592853>>219592903they can be, for sure. the good ones are few and far in between the shittier ones. might not be to you guys' taste but i love this solo here by eric harland the legendhttps://youtu.be/vCoR0CYxJVU?si=fp0hXBG8p2eqBA7h
>>219593058Thrash metal drumming is completely different from jazz drumming. If you've never even used a double bass pedal you don't stand a chance trying to play Metallica. 80s Metallica, that is. Any braindead retard can play the 90s stuff.
>>219593102Well that's definitely a drum solo
>>219590897Jazz is improv. Jazz orchestra is an oxymoron. The movie was a criticism of higher education trying to generate genuine insight from rote repetition of insights from previous centuries.
>>219593367>Jazz is improvWrong. You can absolutely write a jazz song and play it as written. Jazz isn't improv any more than classical is.
>>219591902Dude doesn't even play ghost notes. He's like a came man banging on rocks as hard as possible.
>>219593741Not being able to play ghost notes is bad but it's totally fine to not write them in your songs desu
>>219593425Being able to write a “jazz song” does not mean jazz isn’t improv. White people lost their minds over jazz back in the day because they thought niggers were composing sheet music in their heads on the fly, most jazz musicians can’t read or write, much less sheet music. It was all repetition and improvisation.
>>219594316You're aware that classical musicians improvised, right?
>>219590897I thought you just did heroin
I think drum practice means annoying your parents and making a noisy racket.
>>219594483My dad's a Neil Peart fan luckily
>>219594383Original ones?Yes.
>>219594383>jazz isnt all improvisation because… other musicians improvisedWhat the heck.
>>219593741he cant even play his own songshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnnEPD6pg7A
>>219592149>>219593104Billy Cobham.
>>219595685Is a composed song that sounds like jazz not jazz?
>>219595889...is a drummer.
>>219595984i just wanted to make sure he was mentioned. a great combo of speed, power and precision
>>219595925No.
>>219596175He's a jazz fusion drummer, why are you bringing him up in a conversation about metal drumming?
>>219596213whiplash is not a metal drummer movie.
>>219596211Then what is it?
>>219596213i dont understand the idea that a guy with chops like that couldnt play thrash metal if he tried. i also dont understand the point of a drummer outside of jazz in the modern era, especially in modern metal
>>219596263...you replied to a post about metal drumming
>>219594316>most jazz musicians can’t read or write, much less sheet musicSource: My ass
>>219596292>i dont understand the idea that a guy with chops like that couldnt play thrash metal if he triedWell he's 80 now so he probably is just too old for it. But back in his prime I'm sure he could, if he dedicated a few years to it. He wouldn't be able to to up to a metal band and in a week become Dave Lombardo, is my point.>i also dont understand the point of a drummer outside of jazz in the modern eraJesus Christ why are you jazzfags so pretentious? Why have a drummer in a metal band? Is this a joke?>especially in modern metalDo you actually listen to modern metal or are you just getting mad at some strawman you have in your head?
>>219596478no like all im saying is like if everything is gonna be triggered and there's this like obsession over getting metronomic tempo, like uh, why not just use a midi you know. rings of saturn didnt use a bass player for a while if i recall
>>219596583>if everything is gonna be triggered and there's this like obsession over getting metronomic tempo, like uh, why not just use a midi you knowBecause not all bands quantize their drums?
>>219596651well clue me in on some modern shit then because my lexicon for metal is dated
>>219596289Shit.
>>219596747Well I mean it totally depends what kind of music you like lol. Blood Incantation definitely doesn't.
>>219596807Anon there are certain things you can never improvise. You could never improvise Mahler's 9th symphony. Doesn't mean improvisation is bad, but there's musical territory you can never arrive at by improvising. And there will always be more mistakes while improvising.
>>219596861>Blood Incantationi can dig it. sounds like mastodon
>>219596924Anon you’re just starting with a faulty premise by trying to compare jazz to actual music.
>>219597015Yeah I don't think Mastodon quantizes their drums either. Doesn't sound like it.
>>219597055this thread is such a shitshow lmao
>>219597327i like it
Buddy Rich never practiced. He played drums his entire childhood in vaudeville and was just a natural.
What is with all the whiplash threads all of a sudden
>>219591120Should you be leading or should you be dragging?
>>219597819Stupid overrated movie
>>219590897"Jazz" is Chazelle's code for "white boi cool"
