It's a fucking masterpiece.
Crowe should have died
>>219634864and now purposefully ignored because of spacey. shame.
HUSH HUSH
>>219634864Still weird to me they did a straight noir film in the 90s but yeah it's good.
>>219634901The book has at least a dozen other characters that didn't make the movie (too many plotlines), and the characterizations for all the characters changed (there are no "good" characters in the book, even the Lana Turner lookalike whore with a heart of gold played by Kim Basinger in the film is blackmailing the fuck out of everyone she can). BUT, Crowe's character surviving and going off with said whore is in fact straight from the book. Personally I think the movie should have ended with Guy Pearce's character in the interrogation room and skipped the epilog.
>>219637116i've finished the book few months ago and i think the movie was better, it was more concise and had better endingnow The Big Nowhere, that was masterpiece
>>219634864I went to a screening of this some years ago where Eddie Muller did a Q&A with James Ellroy before the film. Ellroy is an anachronism: no cell phone, no email, no computers ... he literally writes by hand and has typists convert for his editor. Strange guy but he wrote an awesome novel about corruption and crime in LA. Btw he did say he didn't believe a single line reading in the film, which I can believe - the book is gritty and completely dark, not a single character with a redeeming trait in the whole thing. Still a great read for anyone interested in noir or crime fiction.
>>219634864>gentleman copsI loathe this. Hill Street Blues is responsible.
>>219637178I read the LA quartet over ten years ago when I was in high school and still have certain moments and dialogues etched into my brain. That rarely happened with the other shit I was reading at the time. Ellroy may be the greatest living American writer of any genre.
>>219634864Yes, it´s probably the best neo noir movie no contest. You can quote me on that and remember, it´s Smith, with an S.
Basinger prevented it from becoming true kinoRuined every scene she was in and her plot points were dumbShe sold the thing about the dress shop in Iowa or whatever but everything else was a fiascoLike I can't believe those were the best takes they got out of the bitch
>>219634978It's unironically time for Hollywood and the rest of us to forgive Spacey
>>219637361Bisbee, AZ. Which is where her and Crowe's character go at the end, of course.
>>219634864The real Lana Turner was a dish.
>>219637447he did nothing wrong because he only fucked with fags
>>219634864>>219635983>>219637344it's a shitty 90s action thriller with noir elements, it's far from any actual noir. please go back to r/truefilm
>>219634864Imagine if instead of "Rollo Tomasi" he chose the name "McLovin" instead
>>219637622Thank you.
>>219637552Yessir.
>>219637622Nah, it´s legit good. I´ve watched my share of classic noir and neo noir and L.A confidential is easily among the best.
>>219637344>Yes, it´s probably the best neo noir movieThat would be Chinatown.
>>219634864Basinger ruins it
>>219640514not wrong
>>219634864Not only that but it introduced me to a cool metal band as well
>>219637728WHY THE FUCK WOULD IT BE BETWEEN THAT AND MCLOVIN
Ellroy is so great man, every single piece of fiction he wrote is fantastic, one of my favorites writers. Even the movies managed to be really solid tributes to his work. Don't forget to read Read Sheet, it comes out in august.
>>219640723WEED IS TIGHT MANWEED IS TIGHT
>>219634864it's too cheesy
>>219641166Really? I thought it was pure absence of cheese.
>What made you want to become a cop?> ...... I don't remember.Bring back Spacey
>>219641166And thats a good thing.
>>219637447>forgive low-class showbiz peopleNah
>>219640914based ty
>>219637447#metoo #forgivespacey #believeallwomen
Keven Spacey really was such a good actor.
>>219641545Trollo Miscusi
>>219640914i'm completely lost at his current books chronology, apparently red sheet is supposed to be a part of two distinct series? what happened to his plans to just make l.a. quartet 2?
>>219634864It's not a bad movie, but I like it less now. Ignoring the fact that it muddled the book completely after a point, there's some dumb dialogue and bad ADR.
>>219634901Agreed.>>219637116>Crowe's character surviving and going off with said whore is in fact straight from the bookGenuinely surprised. Sounds like Ellroy missed a trick t.b.h.
>>219637622OK grandpa.
>>219643301The book is very different.>Buzz Meeks is killed at the very beginning by Dudley, who makes off with Mickey Cohen's heroin>Stensland ends up working in a sandwich shop, then committing an armed robbery and sentenced to the gas chamber>the guy killed in the Nite Owl with Susan Lefferts is Duke Cathcart, a pimp>Thomas Exley, Ed's brother, is the one that got killed by a purse snatcher>Preston is alive and friends with Raymond Dieterling, a Walt Disneyesque guy>Inez Soto hooks up with Ed, then leaves him because he uses everyone, and befriends Dieterling and Preston>the Fleur de Lis porn is cut and pasted with drawn in blood, and looks like dismemberments>they mirror a real serial killer from the past>the serial killer was helped by one of Dieterling's twin sons, and Preston killed the son (I think the main killer got arrested and gassed)>plot twist, wrong son>that comes out, and Preston, Dieterling, and Soto all commit suicide>Bud becomes friends with a child hooker named Kathy Janeway, then she gets killed>the Nite Owl (and the assassinations) was done by Abe Titelbaum and Johnny Stompanato with some third mook>Jack gets killed during a riot/escape situation on a prison trainThere's a lot more weird shit as well that would have been impossible to jam in one movie.
>>219634978nobody worth a damn honestly gives a shit about sex crimes. just don't get fucked. Its not that hard.
>>219640914>In 1962, Ellroy began to attend Fairfax High School, a predominantly Jewish high school. While in high school, he began to engage in a variety of outrageous acts, many anti-Semitic in nature. He joined the American Nazi Party, purchased Nazi paraphernalia, sang the Horst-Wessel-Lied at school, mailed Nazi pamphlets to girls he liked, openly criticized John F. Kennedy, and ironically advocated for the reinstatement of slavery. His "Crazy Man Act", as Ellroy describes it, was a plea for attention and got him beaten up and eventually expelled from Fairfax High School in 11th grade, after ranting about Nazism in his English class. Based Ellroy
>>219641818Technically since Perfidia it's all part of the L.A. Quintet series. >Perfidia (2014)>This Storm (2019)>Widespread Panic (2021) [Fred Otash #1]>The Enchanters (2023) [Fred Otash #2]>Red Sheet (2026) [Fred Otash #3]>Untitled Final Book (TBA)
>>219637344Ahem
>>219637447I have forgiven the spaceman years ago
>>219640914When will we get Dick Contino Blues the movie
>>219645818I remember Patton Oswalt talking about Ellroy doing a showing of Daddy-O. Oswalt was snickering because he kept thinking of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnHOQ2YZ58
>>219640409Agreed, Chinatown, The Long Goodbye, or Le Samourai>>219645619Nowhere close
>>219637197Ellroys mutha was murdered in los Angeles in the 50s or 60s and the crime was never solved. He was also a homeless schizo pervert before he became a writer
>>219634978was it rape?
>>219646555>The Long GoodbyeIt had the perfect Marlowe actor, but the movie itself is a pretty bizarre and disjointed version of the book. Enjoyable, but nowhere close to LA Confidential and The Driver.
>>219646978Long Goodbye is a noir satire. You have to know the classic noir movies to know how it breaks/bends all its rules.
guy pearce is gay as fuck, he wanted it
>>219634864kevin spacey raped me when i was a boy
>>219634864I don't like it
>mfw I got to watch this in my 12th grade film class still one of my favorite films over a decade later. Second only to Chinatown when it comes to neo-noirs
>>219648214While I'm sure American Beauty felt like that, it was just a pretentious and shitty movie.
>>219646978The Long Goodbye might be too unique to be the best example of the genre but LA Confidential as best neo-noir can't be true when Chinatown exists. LA Confidential retreads the same ground without the same emotional depth, relying more on action sequences. I don't know The Driver though, I will check that out.
>>219634864what I don't understand is that the blonde lady knew it was capatain the whole time and buzz meeks and didn't say anything?
>>219648590She didn't know shit. She was just fucking people for money and blackmail fuel.Stensland and Meeks had their own thing going over heroin (loosely connected to the book, Meeks stole heroin from the Mickey Cohen/Jack Dragna summit), and Stensland killed Meeks.Dudley was killing Cohen's lieutenants and consolodating power, and he heard about the heroin, so he killed Stensland (and probably interrogated him beforehand to find out where it was).None of this crossed over into Lynn's purview.
>>219648830That's how you interpret the film. In my viewing, the blonde knew everything all along. Why else would Maximus, who hates men that hit women, beat the piss out of her?
>>219649182He was pushed to that point by her betrayal and forced to become what he hated. Also>MaximusWhat a terrible movie.>ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?Correct.
