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>In the Star Wars prequel Episode I: it is shown that faster-than-light spacecraft already exists. This was a subtle way of showing how little technology has advanced over the course of a few decades.
>>219636679>>219636818In TNG a slightly younger Picard is just Patrick Stewart with hair. Not bald yet.In another episode of TNG with a much younger Picard, its a young kid who's bald so you know who he is.
>>219637278>these levels of cope
>>219637309What am I coping with?
disney has no talent thats why
>>219636679Who trained her in combat? Who trained her as a space ship mechanic? Who trained her as a space ship pilot?>gathering scrap for a living answers all of the above
>>219636679Kek that is funny.
>>219637381I knew Wookieepedia would answer at least one of these, she had a scavenged computer from an old Y-wing that had a flight simulator that she ran with dozens of different ships. That’s why she could fly in TFA.
>>219636679>I don’t buy the Mary Sue thing anyway. I find the term sexist in itself because it’s, ‘Mary Sue’. I don’t think there’s a thing called ‘Ryan Craig’>Ridley brought up how "everyone was saying that Luke had the exact same [capabilities]," and she also took issue with the entire notion of a Mary Sue, noting that it's an inherently gendered objection: "The Mary Sue thing in itself is sexist because it’s the name of a woman.
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>>219637813"tech bro", "ai bro", "finance bro" is probably fine to them though lol
>>219637638>she had a scavenged computer from an old Y-wing that had a flight simulator that she ran with dozens of different ships. That’s why she could fly in TFA.
>>219638112Was there ever a response to this?
>>219636679i hate women so god damn much.
>>219638155Same
>>219638112Yeah, for a movie that copied ANH to that extent you’d think they’d remember Luke had at least a token line for how he could fly and shoot well >>219638147Darth Vader goes there in a comic, everyone hates the sequel era so that’s probably the best it’s ever going to get
>>219636679She had more development than Luke though.
>>219637381Who trained Anakin to Build protocol droids and podracers? Who taught Anakin to pilot a starfighter? Who told him what the fuck a Jedi was?>Being a slave answers all of the above questions
>>219639047Who told you the prequels were good movies?
>>219639285Star Wars fans
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>>219639285A person wearing a dress with five o’clock shadow.
>>219636818>>219637278btfo
>>219639378
>>219642061banged this chick>>219639378banged these chicks
>>219636679Mary Sue/Gary Stu characters are not inherently bad. There is an appeal for an idealized perfect hero. The important part regardless of the type of character is to just make them in some way interesting or fun to watch.>>219637278Other media being shit doesn't excuse other shit media.>>219639047Yes, people who rightfully know the sequel movies are trash also know the prequels are trash too.>>219637813Her ignorance about writing tropes and desperate attempt to play the sex card aside it is unfair she gets the backlash just for being the actor for the character. It is not the actors who are at fault for their lines, characters, and the plot of the movie. It is the directors and writers. The characters just say, do and act how they are told to.
still unrefuted.
>>219639047Everyone knew it was extremely stupid for child slave anakin to build a protocol droid to help his slave mother do… protocol?
>>219643315Chuds deny that it was stupid, they literally claim that it makes perfect sense.
>>219643287Because it never happened.
>>219639285Chuds.
>>219643287it doesn't count as "unrefuted" when you actively ignore any and all refutations.
>>219639340>Star Wars fans
>>219643287>Anakin is actually a heckin' prophesized messiah born of a virgin!Shmi is not implied to be a virgin, just that she hadn't had sex with anyone in a required timeframe for Anakin's birth. It is later implied that Palpatine used The Force (lol) to impregnate ShmiThe entire point of the "prophecy" is that the Jedi were putting too much stock in it without properly understanding it>HE BUILT C3PO WHEN HE WAS A TODDLER!Protocol droids are mass-produced with components being pretty easy to find. Anakin's main job is being a slave for a salvager, identifying and repairing exactly these kinds of things for resale.Anakin is also not a toddler, he's 9 years old. A modern day 9 year old is completely capable of putting together a PC with a small bit of research - a 9 year old genius who's spent his entire life working with robots and putting them together would surely be capable of putting together old protocol droid parts to make a new one.>HE WON A WAR THE FIRST TIME HE FLEW A NABOO STARFIGHTERYeah everyone pointed out this was stupid. The movie still points out that the controls are fairly similar to his pod racer (it does make sense that most spaceships would have similar control interfaces) but even still he mainly relies on autopilot and nearly gets himself killed during the sequence.>MARY SUERey has never been shown to have any piloting experience. We don't even get a throwaway line about using a flight sim. Her only mechanical experience is scavenging parts and selling them - never actually building/repairing anything.She's somehow able to pilot the Millenium Falcon, an unusually-designed ship through extremely difficult terrain, out-fly several tie-fighters, and then use a single shot to kill two of them. Later on, she out-mechanics Han Solo, who has been piloting and repairing the ship for longer than Rey has been alive, despite having never been on the ship before and has no repairing experience.The prequels suck. The sequels are even worse.
>>219636679just to remind you once again that developing a character means that their character comes clear, like they say things and do things that show what they're like. it doesn't mean the character changes. when they say that characters should have development it means things in the movie that show what the character is like. but because there are some really really dumb people who read about movies, there's a chorus of people mindlessly repeating that characters 'should change' 'in movies'. which is not required by anyone or anything actually. likewise a strong character is one that has a lot of consistency in their development. not one who is mentally resilient. but the same thing happened as well online
>>219644799chuds btfo again
The girl who played Young Rey is an insane Christian now
>>219644799It's because the majority of stories have characters who have flaws and work to overcome those flaws (even if indirectly) over the course of the story - even if it's as basic as "I'm afraid of cobwebs" and then they need to flip a switch behind some cobwebs to escape or whateverRey starts out with no flaws which makes it hard to connect with her
>>219644876holy fuck that looks twisted
>>219644876But dude is she hot
>>219643350No one knows what that word means anon.
>>219645309I dunno. I guess
>>219645937Nice. Damn shame about the Christianity thing though. I hear that her types and godless heathens such as myself don't get along.
>"Rey" in Spanish means "King," a reference to the King of Kings, as Rey is supposed to be a Jesus Allegory.
>>219644876I'll take it over the degeneracy of insane liberal women.
>>219643287>>219644511>People who still don't understand the term Mary Sue.Being competent is one aspect of the label, retards.
>>219636679You're helping a stealth astroturf thread everytime you're posting in here, some disneyshill trying to rehabilitate the sequels, as if it will ever happen. Good luck, marketer.
>>219645077that's called character growth or a character arc. it is one type of story but it is not a flaw when a movie does not have this. it is not a requirement to have it, in the way that is thought by people who have simply seen instances of the words 'lack of character development', interpreted this as a lack of change, and internalized lack of change as a movie failing. tony stark does not grow during the movie iron man and that's part of what was great about it, for example.
>>219647013flat arcs need to be likable. This is basically impossible when you introduce a new flat arc character to a franchise who is automagically better than every other character and immediately/automatically loved by other characters more than previous characters.
>>219647218i am not saying anything about rey, i am saying that if someone makes this criticism, they are saying that rey lacks an arc or lacks growth (true!). i am just letting everyone know that the words 'lacks development' means something else.
>>219647013A flat arc works when the character inspires change in others. For example, Goku is a prime example of a flat character arc. He does not change once, from all the way at the beginning of Dragon Ball, to the very end of Dragon Ball Super.However, what Goku does is use his character to change others - he turns villains into companions. Krillian, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, the Androids, Buu, Beerus and Whis, Hit, Fireza, etc.Rey has no internal character arc or external character arc, not in the first movie, at least. You could argue she influences Kylo.Tony Stark does have an arc, he goes from selling weapons to terrorists and philosophically defending it, to shutting down manufacturing and actually fighting the terrorists himself.
>>219636679Daisy Ridley is charismatic as hell.
>>219637278>In another episode of TNGThat was the movie with Tom Hardy, actually.The TV series trusted your intelligence to understand that a boy or a young man with hair could be Captain Picard when he was young. The movie decided dumb popcorn eaters wouldn't get it unless he was bald.
>>219648114For reference
>>219637813>>I don’t buy the Mary Sue thing anyway. I find the term sexist in itself because it’s, ‘Mary Sue’. I don’t think there’s a thing called ‘Ryan Craig’Jesus christ she's fucking stupid.
>>219643287All of that is shit. The prequels were garbage. The sequels were also garbage, but in different ways. No one is the hero here. The only good thing you can say about the prequels is that they were "genuinely" what George thought would make for good movies. He was categorically wrong and made three colossal stinkers. This may be conceivably better on some ideological level than the society-manipulating LGBQTT(@WEIWM!+_+ boardroom disasters that were the sequels, but it doesn't make them watchable films.>heroes on BOTH sides
>>219643287this only happened in your head
I don't believe Daisy or whatever her character's name was, I don't remember/give a shit, was a "mary sue". She WAS flat, bland, boring, and did nothing to really earn audience empathy or exultation in her victories. She was not offensive (in the first movie, i didn't watch the other two turds), but she wasn't very interesting either. Ironically the black guy was the most interesting character in the movie, even if I hated having to look at his weird nostril flaring gorilla face. I think he did a pretty good job in the role though, dumbass fish out of water stormtrooper trying to be something less shitty in life.
>>219644371Anakin also inherently has more leeway to be "perfect" compared to Rey because we know from the getgo that he's going to completely fail, get corrupted by Palpatine, and need to be rescued from himself by Luke after being the bad guy for three (and a half) movies. Rey is perfect from start to finish.
>>219643218>it is unfair she gets the backlash just for being the actor for the character. It is not the actors who are at fault for their lines, characters, and the plot of the movie. It is the directors and writers. The characters just say, do and act how they are told to.But she so vehemently defends the shitty characterization underlie her complicity with the writing. Look at Harrison Ford who fucking hates playing Han Solo aside from the big paycheck, so there's nothing stopping Ridley from saying "yeah they probably could've written her better, but I didn't have much say". But she doesn't, because she does and says what she's told by gisnep's legal team or else she'll be blacklisted from starring in mediocre dramas like "Sometimes I Think About Dying".
>>219648863They dropped the ball so hard with Finn, it's unreal. His actor turned out to be a psychotic hotep, but if they had a single director to plot out the entire trilogy then they could've done so much with a deserter of the New Order teaming up with the New Republic to prevent them from destabilizing the peace the Skywalkers had brought about.
>>219653080I wanted to see some sort of character conflict. Like he spent his whole life with the First Order, maybe have him struggle with years of propaganda to understand what the right thing to do is, or hesitate killing his brothers in arms.So many potential internal conflicts that could have occurred.Instead, he switched sides in the first ten minute, and was a perfect good guy for the rest of the trilogy.
>>219648168I never noticed the drawn in sideburn before
>>219653617HD was a mistake
>>219644876she annotates a difficult ancient text I'm literally going insane rn xisters
>>219643287I assume building c3po was about the equivalent of a kid building a gaming pc
>>219644511Luke in OT is diffenlty not a Gary su. He can’t do anything at the start.He is still a hero and OP, but we are shown his progression. The wooprat thing shows he’s been flying for years, and it’s not his first time in a star fighter.>>219643287Yeah this was pretty engrious and insulting. Especially the Naboo starfighter bit.
>>219637278Young Picard always has hair in the show, my Indian friend
Disney Star Wars is the worst franchise that has ever existed most of its stories are total garbage
>>219654362>Yeah this was pretty engrious and insulting. Especially the Naboo starfighter bit.Not really, you fucking retard.a 10 year old attaching scavenged parts on to a prebuild droid is plausible. It's not as if he invented the droid.He already had piloting experience from the podraces. However that was barely even a factor in the naboo battle. The ship was on auto pilot until r2 managed to turn it off. At which point anakin tried spinning, because that's a good trick and then promptly crash-lands in the trade federation ship hanger. Then while pushing random buttons accidentally shoots proton torpedoes into the main reactor. Nothing he did in that battle required any skills.
>>219644511See>>219644371
>>219636818If it works, why fix it.Its like complaining boats are still roughly the same shape for thousands of years
>>219639047>Who trained Anakin to Build protocol droids and podracersworking in a scrap yard since birth>Who taught Anakin to pilot a starfighternot too different from a pod racer in controls and still isn't very good at it>Who told him what the fuck a Jedi was?called a "legend", retard
If you care about Star Wars past the age of 12, you should kill yourself.
>>219647704>He does not change onceI wouldn't say that, there's some change but its extremely slight. He's fundamentally the same person for most of the series but still makes some discoveries and self-acceptances about himself but it just doesn't come up or become relevant for the story relative to how he changes others.
>>219655350>appeal to trivialityfuck off cunt, you should kill yourself for just trying to abandon all pop culture to faggots
>>219643287people hated all of that. the people who apparently don't hate that are the little zooms who first watched star wars movies all in one binge-watch sitting, and probably began with episode 1.
>>219636679Rey's victories aren't earned because Rey's character isn't as well developed as Luke's. JJ imitated the form of Luke but he never managed to copy his spirit.
>>219655556ooofoff by 1
>>219636679It actually made sense that she would dress sort of the same out of unconscious fear that her parents might not recognize her as easily. What made no sense is her suddenly deciding in TLJ that she cared about her parents being famous which she never did in TFA.
>>219657013What made no sense was that she knew how to swim and speak wookie
>>219657105Yeah swimming was dumb, I could maybe buy that she learned a bunch of languages off a scavenged translator or something.
>>219644511Bullshit, female Luke played by Marcia Hamill would have been a nerd waifu since 1977Biggs would be her boyfriend leaving her for the academy
>>219636818If you think this works as a comeback you're retarded
>>219639047>Who taught Anakin to pilot a starfighter?That one's not too much of a stretch. He's sitting up front with the pilot on Amidala's ship for much of the return journey, and the autopilot handles takeoff for him. Pretty much all he does in the battle is spin and get shot.
>>219644876>Studying your foundational religious text is insane!
>>219636679>the audience is retarded so we better show a bald old man as a bald young man because how will they know it's the same guy if they're not both baldYou can be mad, but are they wrong?
>>219643287People hated that he was born of a virgin, the whole force impregnation shit is a giant joke, they hated child Anakin I'LL TRY SPINNING, it's god awful. Building C3P0 out of junk is the only thing marginally acceptable, except for how it's supposed to be helping his (slave) mother and 3P0 is fucking useless at everything except protocol and languages so... how? Speaking of which the entire plot about LEAVING HIS MOTHER IN SLAVERY for a fucking decade paints him as a retard and the jedi order as a whole as corrupt and immoral. Which at this point I guess they are.
>>219648863I do actually believe that the intended from the start that she be Sheev's granddaughter, and that this was the reason for her exceptional talent.But they made the mistake of nobody drawing attention to the fact that she was incredibly powerful, so she came across as a Mary Sue.This is basically the same twist as KotOR 1, but at least there all the characters are astonished, with misgivings, at how quickly you are picking up skills as a Jedi.
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>>219644876protestants are kind of weird
>>219659904Nothing weird about reading, popelicker
>>219660788you arent supposed to mark the Bible
>>219636679Slop Wars
>>219644876Korean vibes. Pretty cute.
>>219659899so, it refers exclusively to jewish dudes in glasses. got it.
>>219655350Yeah, we stopped watching that shit and now Disney is panicking
>>219659899lol
>>219639047>Being a slave answers all of the above questionsyes because the guy who owned him had a electronic store
>>219636818IT WAS HER TURN, CHUDS
>>219644876What ? no, star wars 9 was released like 2 years ago
>>219636679her character made no fucking sense. it was a non-character.
>>219660913Based and redpilled.
>>219660913a chud is a cannibalistic humanoid underground dweller and the only nigga i seen pop out the ground recently was a hasidic so jew + ground = chud
>>219643315She was a prostitute. They kept robots for translating conversations with clients without them feeling ashamed.
>>219652914>there's nothing stopping Ridley from saying "yeah they probably could've written her better, but I didn't have much say"the non-disparagement clause in her contract would stop her from saying that. She, being a nobody, would be forbidden in contact from saying or even acknowledging anything negative about her character or the movies. hamil and ford clearly didnt have such clauses, as for one, disney needed them more than they needed disney.
>>219655150Im going to give you a job designing boats. 150k a year plus benefits. Now, if you just copy older boat designs I’m going to fire you and you’ll be sued. Your job is to find some way to improve boat design. Either reducing costs or increasing sales. Good luck.
