The quality really took a nosedive with this one
>>219721357If they had just called it "Avatar: The Way of Water Part 2" no one would have had a problem with it.
>>219721543Do you think it was lazy writing or were there other problems too?
>Jim can't help put but whale propaganda in his flicksNuke the whales
>>219721357the quality is still there, it's the story that is lowest effort.
>>219721742The quality was never there to begin with.
>>219721566The only lazy writing imo was having the same ending as the last movie and not killing Spider, though he'll probably turn out to be important in future films so that part is forgivable. This movie's lukewarm critical reception is predominantly a marketing failure. Audiences thought it would be Avatar 3, but really it's Avatar 2.5
>>219721742What even happened with her, she got spooked away by grandma witch girl and that was it?
>>219721357Nah the funny thing is, it didn't. They're all consistent 6/10s the problem is nothing unexpected ever happens and its paint-by-numbers narrativelyThe movies only receive acclaim for the digital effects, but if you stop seeing it as an effects movie and see it as an animated movie, you realize everything else is defficient.3 was just a mashup of 1 and 2. Same location and characters as 2, and a hybrid of the final acts of 2 and 1The Sigourney space-jesus shit is total cancer thoughIt made no fucking sense that the na'vi were dunking on military airships at the start of the final fight, but then enemy na'vi with rocket launchers were somehow too difficult to overcomeAnd spicy latinx BPD na'vi was underutilized. In 4 they NEED to explore her perspective more and question whether Eywa is really benevolent or cynically using all living things like her own personal immune system.
>>219721357Cant believe I went to see the original in 2009/10 in theaters 4 separate times, a true cultural phenomenon. Now you couldn't pay me to see any of the sequels in a theater.
>>219722116Avatar 2 is easily 8/10
>>219722213>4 separate timesAs opposed to 4 times at the same time?
>>219721959varang will return in: avatar 4.
I watched 2 yesterday for the first time and it was awesome, better than 1Is 3 really not as good?Perhaps it's worth watching it immediately after if it is more like 2.5 and I'm in a forgiving Avatar mood?
>>219721357There have been two avatar pinball machines. This is the most recent one.pinballmap.com to find one near you
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>>219722669It's just more of the same shit from 2. The third act is IDENTICAL to the 2nd movie, and I'm sure some shots were taken directly from that movie too
>>219722768>I'm sure some shots were taken directly from that movie tooWhat, did they just clone the Playstation 2 hard drive?
>>219721357Moar like Fire & Ass amiright?
>>219721357If by nosedive you mean uptick then I agree
>>219721802>not killing Spider, though he'll probably turn out to be important in future filmsKill him anyway. This series is turning turning life and death into meaningless things since everyone just comes back. Kill Spider and have Eywa bring him back with her fungus magic. It was eye rolling to pretend Spider was gonna die, then make the stabbing sound, then oops Jake just stabbed the air hehe
>>219721357who the fuck likes these blue freak movies? Literally just gay fern gully. The humans in the first one were based though.
>>219722827Yes, this is how the movie startshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Ln-qyvX_I
>>219722669You need to wait at minimum three years between entries. These are not slop to just binge as fast as possible. They must be savored and ruminated on.
>>219722979>who the fuck likes these blue freak movies?Incels. Fatties. Virgins.
>>219723009grim
>>219722918The only one who's come back is Quaritch, and they are heavily, heavily implying that the clone isn't really him.
>>219722278could have been consecutive times, as in twice in one trip to the theater
>>219722768Cool, that was the best part of 2
>>219723158This is not how time works.
>>219723561Brother what are you babbling about, you can see the film, walk back to the ticket counter buy another ticket and see it again. Twice in one trip to the theater. What are you failing to understand.
>>219723921Nice try, timelet.
>>219723115>and they are heavily, heavily implying that the clone isn't really him.he straight up says he's not the same person as human Quaritch
>>219722116>And spicy latinx BPD na'viWTF?!
>>219723974Okay, fuck you, smartass!
>>219722264Bait post. It's like a Disney movie, straight up.Each entry in the series is FINE and that's about all that can be said about them
>>219722979>who the fuck likes these blue freak movies?Jeets
>>2197213573 movies ofoh no, bad people are threatening the nice natives.and....the the nice natives have won, yay!If this is setting up an amazing overarching epic story then im out. it has less of a hook than a soap opera.
>>219721357Neytiri likes getting knotted by viperwolves
>>219723115>>219723974Nah they can't make up their minds.In 2, Spider gets captured and Quaritch tries to talk him into giving up what he knows, and he says he ISN'T Spider's father he just has his memories and knows he wasn't a good dad.In 3, Spider gets captured and Quaritch tries to talk him into giving up what he knows, and say she IS Spider's father and Spider says he's just a clone with his father's memories.So Quaritch at least seems to have changed his mind about who he is.Whichever way you slice it, the implications of the Avatar tech are insane. Why in the ever-loving fuck did any of the soldiers in 1 fight in their own bodies? Like, okay making a Na'vi avatar is more expensive, they only do it a few times- that's fine. But then wouldn't it be cheaper to make a human avatar or to let a person transfer their mind into a robot? The movies never really think about it because bringing Quaritch back was a studio decision and not a narrative one.In the 2nd movie, they're killing whales because their brian-juice stops ageing. Okay, but we know that avatars allow for effective immortality. Like sure, plenty of people are going to view it as "that's not me that's just a clone that thinks it's me" but biologically all atoms of our bodies are replaced in a space of about 7 years, so you can't really argue that there is something special that makes you uniquely you. Most people will settle for mind transference over halting ageing, especially since halting ageing doesn't mean you won't die from something else. The movies never think about it
>>219728370>why don't they just roll it out for everyone despite it being too expensive to roll out for everyone>also the clone is not you and it's possible that they become the opposite of everything you stood for in life, if Quaritch is any indication
>>219722669i think 3 is better than 2, but I'm not a big fan of 2You can tell Jimbo made these movies out of a single script, which he split in half and then bloated each with different subplots to justify a duologyIn the exchange, I believe Fire & ash fares out better
>>219721357Aside from the whole 'let's give Spider a USB port and allow him to breathe just because', it's a much better movie than 21 is still the best obviously
>>2197215662 and 3 were originally meant to be one movie and it showsThey split it up partly to give themselves more freedom because they had so much stuff written, but also to take in more money
>>219721357There was a reason why people grew to despise TESB over the decades.
>>219730866I thought Cameron hated guns?
>>219731171Hello, what is TESB
>>219731217Hates being shot.
>>219731217He just says that stuff to keep gun control types off his back. He loves guns, always has
>>219730552>>why don't they just roll it out for everyone despite it being too expensive to roll out for everyoneNo. Not what I said.Making Na'vi avatars is too expensive, that makes sense. But surely it is easier and cheaper to make robot avatars or human avatars instead. Surely the tech didn't just spring into existence one day. They backed up a colonel's brain onto a Na'vi avatar but they're not doing that with human avatars for anyone important to a mission? Fuck off outta here>also the clone is not you and it's possible that they become the opposite of everything you stood for in life, if Quaritch is any indicationOkay suppose instead of it being a clone, Quaritch just got genetically mutated into being a na'vi somehow. What, is he gonna kill himself? Learning to live with it and falling for some tall blue puss seems pretty plausible. You're making way too big of a deal about him changing over time and attributing it to a process we know nothing about
>>219721357>with this one
>>219721357Hoe do you nose dive when the orginal film's quality was abysmal?
>>219731217cameron loves scifitech and weapons. that's why in every movie we have shots like this.
>>219732323and this.
>>219732423and this.
>>219732323how does this series get away with so much ass and feet being shown?
>>219732937this entire movie series is basically about 'what if we all get na'vi gfs'.
>>219732937Feet aren't a sexual body part you deranged tranny
>>219721357I liked this one better than the Way of Water.
>>219734395Do y'all ever wonder where they get the feathers from for that headdress and their arrows when all of the flying animals on Pandora are reptilian?
>>219734702they are actually scales.but I also remember seeing feathered birds in the first movie.
>>219722116Were you honestly expecting for spider to get infected with a neural parasite and become half navi and did you furthermore expect jake to seriously consider killing his adopted son? Like what other movies do that?
>>219735865
>>219721357A bunch of lame looking gay blue retards cannot sustain a film series. The psycho fire tribe should have been the default from the start.
>>219735865Biologically it does not make sense for leaves to evolve to look like feathers. This is just an art book cope to patch the hole I identified.There's loads of biological mistakes like that in these movies.Another would be that in the 1st one they had those hammerhead rhino things, where they literally used their heads as hammers. Hammerhead sharks evolved that way because their eyes are on the protrusions and it gives them a better field of view. There's no evolutionary reason that an animal would develop a hammerhead for hitting things, it's silly.Then the whole fact that na'vi are basically mammalian. Fire clan girl even specifically mentions breastfeeding in relation to Eywa. The whole think of them basically looking humanoid was fine, but it's silly that they have nipples and breasts exactly like humans, because even on Earth humans are the only species that have breasts even when not lactatingThen so many dumb little things like those lizards that fucking spin around when startled etc. It's not a well thought out biosphere.
>>219735927That's like asking >were you expecting this character to say this exact string of words!?!?!Saying a movie didn't surprise me doesn't mean I'm capable of precognition, it means the broad strokes of the movie are very typical and never had me excited.Every fucking movie is the humans are greedy and evil, the na'vi are inherently good because they're connected to nature (with the one exception literally being evil because they are no longer connected to nature), some characters will be put outside of their comfort zone and learn another way of life, and in the final act the humans will fight the na'vi and the na'vi will call on nature itself to help them and then win.I even explicitly told you what I think would make for an interesting sequel:>And spicy latinx BPD na'vi was underutilized. In 4 they NEED to explore her perspective more and question whether Eywa is really benevolent or cynically using all living things like her own personal immune system.
>>219736284I don't think it makes biological sense for 14 foot tall humanoids to evolve to have blue skin, glow in the dark freckles and 4 fingers on each hand either, but here we are.
>>219738187bodied those freaks
>>219736662Take a look at the state of the world right now and you tell me with a straight face that humans aren't greedy violent retards for the most part. Besides it's not ALL of them, a chunk of humans live with the Na'vi in peace.
>>219736284I think when it comes to world building cameron probably goes a lot farther than most filmmakers. they actually build all of the props, costumes and weapons for real before digitizing them and had actual biologists come up with the creatures and plants. but at the end of they these are scifi fantasy movies and the designs first and foremost have to serve the story.the na'vi look the way they do because cameron wants them to look sexy.
>>219738187You can have some contrivances to get your foot in the door. I'm not nitpicking for the sake of it, it's fine if the premise is "there's these 14ft tall blue humanoids" alright, fine, because that's the hook. It's the things around that that don't make sense, which suggests no one gave it much thought, and if they didn't give it much thought why should I appreciate it?As I said from the beginning, there are feathers on na'vi objects but we don't see an animal or plant that produces feathers outside of an art book that was very clearly trying to patch the hole. There are feathers because the na'vi are injuns and real life injuns had feather adornments, that's as far as the thinking went.As a creative, you do not want to be out-thought by your audience, it makes you look lazy or like you lack imagination.>>219738431>had actual biologists come up with the creatures and plantsI don't find this to be a credible claim. The animals and plants that deviate from direct one to one equivalents of Earth things always have glaring evolutionary problems. As I mentioned before, the fucking lizards that shoot into the air and spin around and around from a fan on their head. What a stupid fucking thing to evolve that would be. Could you imagine how difficult it would be to avoid a predator if you were being spun around by your fucking head?And the whales are another one I just remembered. They go out of their way to establish that the whales have armor on their top half, so the hunters have to get them to expose their belly. But...why? The whales have human-level intelligence and are seemingly the apex predator in the waters, why in the fuck would they need any armor? Let alone armour only on their top side? That's the sort of thing a prey animal that is usually attacked from above would evolve to have>the na'vi look the way they do I haven't once taken an issue with this.
>>219740811I know, I just wanted to be a snarky cunt. I'm sorry.
>>219738431Where are his nipples
>>219721959She died on the way back to her home planet
>>219721606Fuck you, whales are fucking great.But like... if they can clone Na'vi, cant they just clone whales and make the brain goo without hunting them?
>>219721959Literally this: >>219722373Criminally underutilized though. A branch of the na'vi that question how much their world-god really gives a fuck and believe they would be stronger if they weren't reliant on a deity to look after them is kind of interesting.They really did nothing with it. After the montage of her using human weapons, she's just a side-character for the rest of the movie, not even getting many lines, and then she's a jobber in the final battle and she runs away.Absolute waste.
>>219721959Yes, she got spooked and flew away because a girl yelled "BRAT!" at her
>>219741551She's not a jobber. She kicked ass and defeated Neytiri. It can't be helped that Kiri did something completely impossible that shocked her to the bone. You'd run away too if some teenager suddenly developed super powers that could easily mind rape you and you don't understand anything about.
>>219742695>she's not a jobber, she was totally winning until she lost to the good guys and ran away pissing her pants!!!Literal definition of a fucking jobber, my man. If the bad guy doesn't start with the upperhand, how is anyone supposed to cheer when the good guy defeats them? You're a fucking idiot.
I want to see Lyle fight Quaritch to the death next movie. The man has gone off mission too much. Needs to be put down. Can't even get his bro a cute psycho wife. Leaves his fellow recom hanging.
>>219742791>he man has gone off mission too muchCan anyone explain to me why the mission in 2 was to find Jake Sully in the first place?At the start of the movie he was the leader of the insurgency, and then he fucked off into retirement. What was the fucking point of trying to hunt him down?In the 3rd one I think they realized it was something of a plot hole and made it feel more as if he was getting court martialled and executed, but there was no mention of that at all in 2.
>>219742772kek, no. Quaritch is the jobber. He only exists to get beaten by Jake again and again. Varang won all her fights except the last surprise. You have been misinformed.
they're all garbage propaganda... "white military men and corporations are evil", but these noble savages over here are much better. it's retarded. if you want a good movie that explores those themes just watch dances with wolves. at least it presents some of the Indians as war like, and kind of crazy.
>>219742899They needed the Recoms to get passed the defense mechanism of Eywa's animals always attacking the human forces. It took almost a third of the movie for them to finally drive Jake into hiding and it's not like he told them his plans. As far as they are concerned, he's the boogeyman that can show back up at any time and hit them again. The Recoms only exist at all to kill Jake. When Jake is dead/captured, the Recoms life is done essentially. And it would be a symbolic victory, showing the humans have fully conquered the Na'vi with Jake dead, and they have no other Toruk Makto that could lead them anywhere near as well nor connect with Eywa. Yes, they went over all of this in part 2 and it's the same thing in part 3. It doesn't need to be repeated over and over.
>>219743005lol retard
>>219743005Yeah real historical events are such garbage propaganda
>>219743832Muslims do that shit every day and claim God wants them to. Fuck off with your cherry picking bullshit commie.
>>219721357The problem is, this is the first of atleast 3 movies to come out, and we as an audience have no fucking idea where the plot it going. Is Eywa an alien quantum computer. Is the war a slow attrition battle that humans will inevitably win because the Navi can't breach their fortified city? What's the endgame beside this being some kind of generational saga that never ends?
>>219742772So then is literally every villain a jobber? Varang won until the very end, it wasn't like she was taking Ls throughout the runtime
>>219744036>bullshit It's real, it happened.But it's difficult for a rightist to find it objectionable, because they wish they could sit in the corner and watch it happen. To them, child rape is a good and Patriotic thing and shows important American values like being dominant and unafraid to take what you want. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>219721357It's better than 2
How the fuck have you people already seen the third one?
>>219721357which is crazy because way of water elevated the franchise to unexpected hights.
>>219745384It's out on digital now. It can be seen in good quality for free.
>>219722719They still make new pinball machines? It's been decades since I've seen one out in the wild.
>>219721357It makes sense when you discover that this was written as part of the same screenplay as the second one. He realised it was too long and split it in half, likely adding extra bullshit (like the rehashed third act) to expand the runtime.
>>219721606>T. Hiroshi Nakamura
>>219741493Jim said in a Q and A that there is an unrevealed reason as to why scientists can't replicate or synthesize amrita (the whale brain juice)
>>219721357This franchise gets so much undeserved hate it’s crazy. Lotr and Dune have the same grievances and plotlines, yet they get none of the hate
>>219749630>Lotr and Dune have the same grievances and plotlinesThis is what avatards ACTUALLY believe
>A1: 9/10>A2: 6.5/10>A3: 7.5/10
>>219749645They literally do though?
Its quite literally the same story told over and over again>explore new world>body gets issues>small fight>build up to big fight>big fight>nature pulls a clutch>good guy winsI don't know how you can get billions to remake the same exact thing
Avatar 1: jungle biomeAvatar 2: water biomeAvatar 3 FIRE & ASH: water biome
>>219749742Lotr managed to make the same movie three times, Cameron must have been inspired by them
>>219749742They at least give you something new and creative and fantastical. An alien world with alien animals and sci-fi tech that feels plausible. I am more perplexed by the huge success of the Fast and Furious movies. Now that is straight ip lobotomy material.
So there's like 100 people ITT in on the joke that Avatar 3 is already out, ok.
I miss Varang so much. Holy shit. Quaritch too.
>>219750021>Avatar 3 is already out No one has seen it, it was box office POISON
>>219749761Star Wars managed to make the same movie NINE times! And everyone loves it so much they won't shut up about it
>>219721357Its pretty high quality cinema.
>>219731171Truth Nuke.
>>219750042Nothing will compare to the waiting Neygods had to endure between avatar 1 and 2
>>219750922WHAT IS TESBANSWER ME
>>219743832>Wikipedia
>>219721357
>>219751636Submissive cat
>>219721357>The quality really took a nosedive with this oneAvatar 2 was already the worst and most boring movie ever made. There's no way in hell 3 is much worse than that.Note to cameron: WATER IS NOT INTERESTING. WATER IS BORING. STOP MAKING MOVIES ABOUT WATER.
>>219749630Dune has real actors you retard.Any "movie" where all characters are CGI monsters is infantile trash for mentally retarded children.
>>219751718no need to be redundant retard-kun
>>219751718Avatar's actors were more real than Dunc's thoughever. And Dunc is just a slop reboot of a remake of an adaption. Avatar is at least original.
Avatar 2 was just boring, the ocean makes everything slow and uninteresting as fuck.
Avatar 2 was so fascinating, the ocean makes everything wonderful and interesting as fuck.
Avatar 2 was mid, the ocean makes everything look neutral and non-partisan as fuck.
I love Tuktirey so much it hurts, bros. Sullys stick together! Sullys never quit!
>>219754812What did Esmeralda Vanderflööp mean by this?
>>219754812looking forward to seeing teen Tuk in avatar 4 and adult Tuk (skydemon genocider) in avatar 5
>>219721357>hey let's just make Avatar 2 again no one's gonna notice
>>219732323Bad guys walking in hunchback like orcs from lord of the rings was stupid as fuck
>>219738187>>219738249> I don't think it makes biological sense for 14 foot tall humanoids to evolve to have blue skin, glow in the dark freckles and 4 fingers on each hand either, but here we are.If you actually watched the movies, All they are missing is an extra pair of arms and they fit in their ecosystem. But they don’t have them because of some bullshit reason you’re about to reply to me.
>>219749770We got the same alien blue smurfs for 3 movies and the same whales for 2 movies. The same giant orange dragon for 2 movies and the same blue dragons for 3 movies. The same horses for 2 movies. No horse army for 3 LMAO for some reason
>>219756947I just have fingers crossed that she's more like Neytiri in manners and not like Lo'ak being an angsty teenager saying bro cuz a lot. She will be young Neytiri 2.0
>>219721543Problem is that it's not a continuation or conclusion of tWoW. It's just a repeat. With a less conclusive ending at that.>>219721566The problem was Cameron's autism. He had too much shit for just one film, so he made 2 films. But he didn't have enough story for 2 films, so he just told the same story twice with different details
>>219745873Indeed they do!Now more of them end up in private collections then arcades and bars, but there are still a far amount in public spaces depending on where you live.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WvncWPm_40
>>219721357I don’t believe these are the highest grossing films ever. I’ve literally never met anyone who’s talked or cared about them.
>>219758272hubba hubba
>>219758272Neytiri is a goddess no matter what Outfit she wears
>>219758272>here we observe the native Neytiri creature. Its skin color changes with its emotions. It grows redder the angrier it gets and blacker the more suffering it endures.
>>219721357Literally the only issue was not releasing 3 quickly. If they had released 2 and 3 within a year and and trailers to show that 3 is not the ending but a part 2 of part 2, audience expections would be different. It would not feel like a retread because they essentially are the same movie.. just part 1 and 2. Spacing Fire and Ash so far out and calling it Fire and Ash was a mistake. I really hope this doesn't mean reduced budgets for 4 and 5.. They are so close to a singular vision from a good director we have these days. There is nothing else like it.
>>219758272What's up, cutie?
>>219761152SILENCE SCOUN!
>>219761527>Check this out
Bump the runtime up by like 15 minutes and you can merge second and third movie without any losses.
>>219761993The second and third movies should have each been four hours long.
>>219761883was the 15 minute gangbang scene really necessary? It doesn't even help her free Jake
>>219763540It was to me
this series died because it took too long to make and by that time video game graphics have reached the same quality as the films
>>219750046Literally more people went and saw Avatar 3 than Barbie or Oppenheimer though, and those movies were considered box-office phenomenons.
>>219721606It was fine for one movie. It would've been cool if each movie was about a different resource humans are trying to get that brings them into conflict with a different tribe, or alliance in the case of the fire guys.
>>219759073Neytiri suffering must end
>>219766425Someone finally says it
>>219764537this. I enjoyed the first movie, but by the second it felt like I was watching a ps3 cutscene, and I could never shake the feeling. It made the whole movie come off laughably cheap, as the script was a nosedive in quality from the movie before it, and that was already a prototypical marvel movie essentially. The whole thing comes out flat and safe, like a project from Ubisoft; who unironically made a more gripping environment with their shovelware Avatar game.
Insanely aggressive desperate mangkwan Neyney breeding sex
Insanely sweet cute wind trader Tuktirey soothing cuddles
>>219769213I like this>>219769110But I want this
>>219769992Jake did both
>>219761148>I really hope this doesn't mean reduced budgets for 4 and 5.. They are so close to a singular vision from a good director we have these days. There is nothing else like it.They are slop. Avatar movies are so generic they could have been made by AI.
>>219770569They're the only original films out right now and the only films that carry a taste of the 90s-00s with them. Everything else is remakes, reboots, decades late sequels made by someone else, or garbage uncreative slop since modern directors don't understand how movies were made before. Avatar 3 was the only reason to go to a cinema and pay their expensive ticket prices in the last four years.
>>219770569nah
>>219770708True
>>219770708>Everything else is remakes, reboots, decades late sequels made by someone elseNot to be a party pooper but 2 is pretty much those things, except actually good
