Who would win in a fight?
>>219768557Voyager solo'd the Borg
>>219768575So? The borg are pussies. Picard beat them with nap time. Sisko poisoned the atmosphere of an entire planet to get one guy.
>>219768557Ship to ship? If Sisko is using the Defiant he cloaks and lets the others blow each other up, then finishes off the last one standing. If he's using DS9 he rapes them all at once
>>219768718Star Trek space combat is so stupid. They take ships capable of traveling interstellar distances with sensors that can pick out a single person on a planet of billions and put them within musket range of each other to fight.
>>219768786Only way they could fight each other without intercepting all of each others fire
Defiant, Enterprise and Voyager was made for Exploration, The Defiant was made for war
>>219768557Janeway would give the order to vaporize the others before she even knew that it was a fight.
>>219768557Kirk seduces Kira and Seven to sabotage DS9 and Voyager before punching out Archer & Picard.
>>219768557Well one of these is a station capable of going toe to toe with a whole fleet...
>>219768925She should have weaponized the orchid that made Tuvix. She hits their ships with a modified transporter beam full of orchid dust, it instantly turns the crews into fused beings, who can be compromised of up to six crewmen, unlike Tuvix' two. The remaining crew of Tuvix creatures would be incapable of resistance due to the shock of the transformations and easily dispatched.
>>219768786Come home, sci fi man.
>>219768993Which makes zero sense as a static position would just get pummeled from extreme ranges a space is very large. Babylon 5 showed this several times, the station was utterly defenseless against artillery which is why it had a massive interceptor squadron and point defense. The only reason it wasnt raped by the shadow is because they bluffed them. The only reason earth didnt blow it up is because they wanted to capture it as losing a station next to a important jump gate was unacceptable. Trek battles are just key jangling for the normies. They never make any sense and are the weakest part of the show.
>>219768575Picard had the option to genocide the Borg but didn't pull the trigger (the trigger that Janeway pulled)
>>219768925>>219769266Is Janeway really this bloodthirsty or is it just a community meme? I'm still halfway through TNG
>>219768557Picard would defuse the situation with DIPLOMACY
>>219768973Not if Riker gets there first.
>>219769425She's schizophrenic
>>219769425She murdered everyone in her timeline including the daughter of a crewmember who saw her as her grandmother to cut a few years off of their travel time and save two people. It didn't help the universe her galaxy planet or give them a leg up on some new threat. She did it for her ego. She is unironically evil.
>>219769596Damn, Obaa-san sounds based.
The borg were killed by the bad writers in TNG as they couldnt create any scenario in which the borg would lose lol Originally they had no queen because thats a stupid ass idea
>>219769425She is a woman, a middle age woman!!.
>>219770547Middle aged woman that appreciates coffee and genocide.
>>219768557Mano a mano (or womano) type fight, Kirk would win.
>>219768557Reminder only one of these captains murdered in cold blood.
>>219770664Mano a mano means hand to hand, not man to man.
>>219770702Looks slightly like a tranny, she made a good decision.
>>219768557Kirk, he knows karate
>>219768557It comes down to the ship. Enterprise vs Defiant. I think the Galaxy class would win, but then again, Defiant is a tough LITTLE ship
>>219768557Janeway, using Archer´s body as a club.
>>219768557Assuming "phazers" aren't used, Data can't be overpowered in a fight.
>>219768557The answer could not be more obvious.
>>219770790Indeed, he was a pretty fucked up guy.
Man, do I ever miss Star Trek: Legacy. Definitely a game that was ambitious in its goals but ultimately too damn rushed and the cruddy control scheme didn't help it either. Its under lock and key by licensing and Bethesda so there's no chance of it ever coming back in any capacity, but a game that let's you strictly engage in ship to ship combat with the voices of all the captains in the background just made for what could have been a really great experience had they just let it cook and not try to have it released on the date of the 50th anniversary of the show. Would kill to have another game like it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSh8y7WQXC8&t=8732s
>>219768557In space, Sisko sweeps. The rest of them get beat like a steel drum. No survivors. On the ground, Worf sweeps. Nobody can stand against him>W-what about Data?Is he bulletproof? Yeah, Robbie the Robot bites it first.
>>219772872He is bulletproof, Alfre Woodward shoots him repeatedly with a submachine gun in first contact and it has no effect on him.
>>219770735the lernt type gets stomped first by kirk
Man, do I ever miss Star Trek: Legacy. Definitely a game that was ambitious in its goals but ultimately too damn rushed and the cruddy control scheme didn't help it either. Its under lock and key by licensing and Bethesda so there's no chance of it ever coming back in any capacity, but a game that let's you strictly engage in ship to ship combat with the voices of all the captains in the background just made for what could have been a really great experience had they just let it cook and not try to have it released on the date of the 50th anniversary of the show. Would kill to have another game like it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSh8y7WQXC8&t=8732s [Open]
>>219768557If Janeway loses she just keeps going back in time until she wins
>>219769596>She murdered everyone in her timeline including the daughter of a crewmember who saw her as her grandmother to cut a few years off of their travel time and save two people.That's a bit of an oversimplification.
>>219768557Kirk would tl;dr Picard, Slay the Voyager lady's puss, and laugh the other two larpers out of the room.
>>219772842>>219772891>>219772942>>219772961Fuck, sorry everyone. Kept saying I was having connection issues. Didn't know I sperged this thread up like that.
You guys are arguing ships. What if they all had identical ships?
Janeway is Hilary Clinton, who is completely ruthless, so she wins.
>>219773173Then Kirk wins with Picard joining his side.
>>219773129It's happening all over 4chan apparently
>>219773768That’s why I voted for Hill dawg
>>219769425She is very inconsistently written which makes her seem bipolar over the course of the show.
>>219768557Picard or Janeway, no way the Defiant matches up to Galaxy class ships+
>>219768557vs. their default resources? Sisko has a Space Station, Defiant, multiple runabouts and magic wormhole aliens backing him up.
>>219774147The Defiant has cloaking and ablative armor. It can punch above its weight and take a beating..
Ship to Ship it's hard to pick anyone besides Kirk.Just the writing back in TOS was more nautical than berman trek's, so Kirk benefits from that.
>>219774147The Defiant was specifically designed to be way better at fighting than Galaxy class ships, it was designed solely for combat. The Galaxy class is a fancy cruise ship with guns strapped to it, the defiant is a battleship.
>>219768557What, they all have their respective ships? Probably Sisko. DS9 is more powerful than any starship and he has the Defiant to call on as well. And if we are talking end of series versions, Sisko is a god, so not really a fair match up.>>219774753Nah, The Defiant is OP but it doesn't match up to a galaxy class. It doesn't matter that the Enterprise-D is not strictly a warship, it's still more powerful. Without the station, Sisko loses to Picard.
>>219774753>>219774795The Defiant was designed to be cheap to produce. You can build multiple Defiants for the same resources as a single Galaxy. You can build an entire fleet of Defiants for the same resources that would only build a small squadron of other ships. That's the appeal.But if it's 1-to-1 then the Galaxy wins.
>>219774891This. People get the wrong idea and think the Defiant is the strongest ship because "it's the first purpose built warship made by Starfleet". That literally doesn't matter. Starfleet makes all of their ships powerful and able to fight in war. Defiant is just cheap and overpowered for it's size and cost. Galaxy class would still utterly fuck it up.
>>219768786Nah they fight from at least thousands of kilometers away. We as the audience just get a more understandable visual shown, or you could say that the viewscreen shows a representation to the bridge, but in any case the ships are not actually that close.
Honestly, if your ship has a deflector dish, you can commit so many war crimes by abusing physics through it.
>>219774452When resolving conflict there's the right way, the wrong way, and the janeway
OG enterprise because Scotty can bullshit up literally anything
>>219768874Enterprise and Voyager were also stocked with weapons for hostile encounter scenarios such as conflict with the Romulans or Cardassians
>>219768557In a brawl between Captains? Sisko and Kirk team up to beat up the other three
>>219768557In a brawl between Captains? Sisko and Kirk would be the final two but not before teaming up to beat up everyone else
>>219768557>captainkirk>shipvoyager>crewds9but tng is my favorite series.
>>219768557Janeway and it isn't even close. Kirk would give her a slight bit of trouble tho.
>>219775023>the ships are not actually that close>>219768852
>>219776723Yep. "Warcimes is Bestcrime" Janeway is Kirk without the inner cconscience. While Picard was wringing his panties over introducing a computer virus to the Borg, Janeway blew up the Unimatrix. Give Janeway an assault fleet of 10 Sovereigns and she'll conquer the Alpha Quadrant.
I guess the first issue is: Which side would Worf be on? If he chooses between Picard or Sisko, one of them gets an advantage.
>>219769425I'm 3 seasons in and she has threatened or attempted to activate ship's self destruct sequence several times. So did Kirk and Picard, but they didn't kill Tuvix.
>>219768557Hand-to-hand or ship-to-ship? Because I’m pretty sure Kirk could body any two of the others at the same time in a fistfight.
It boils down to Kirk vs Janeway vs Sisko. Janeway has done somethings I don't see the others doing like arming the Borg with new nanite weapons or killing Tuvix. Likewise, Sisko drew the Romulans into the Dominion via a falseflag and poisoned a Maqius colony world. Kirk, is well Kirk, he doesn't believe in a no win scenario.
>>219774039Damn.Well anyway, go play Star Trek: Legacy.
>>219772872>Worf sweeps. Nobody can stand against himlol, lmao even
>>219778715DUKAT SWEEPS!!!
What kind of fight? Physical, fists? Sisko would be the first one to go apeshit on everyone. He'd drop Picard like a ton of bricks before he knew what hit him. But he couldn't take Kirk. Kirk beat a fucking GORN. No rampaging apenigger can match a man who knows how to fight.If we're talking starship tactics, Janeway because she'd be the only one to just pick self destruct as her first move and take out everyone in a 30 parsec radius
>>219771191Correct.
>>219778897Kek
>>219768557Captain Shaw.
>>219771191If the crew is getting in on the fight, Seven of Nine is still plenty strong and can end Data with some nanoprobes.
>>219778897AND ARCHER IS SLAMMING DOWN FROM THE RAFFTERS!! I used to think Archer and Janeway were the worst but after Section 31, Discovery, and everything else I owe them an apology
>>219775023Aside from the visuals, we also constantly get maneuver callouts that just don't make sense unless they're fighting at close range. Attack Pattern Delta means diddly at 100,000 kilometers separation. We also don't get the maneuvers that would make sense at range.
>>219769266Prove that women are less violent and less cruel!Oh wait..
>>219780255this, these ships are like a hundred meters long and the maneuvers (and visuals) suggest they are fighting at distances of like a kilometer, sometimes less
It's not about the physical weaponry.It's ultimately about whichever crew has the more resourceful science/engineering officers that could make up on-the-fly solutions to defeating the enemy.I've only seen TNG and DS9 but between them TNG would win, even if it was the Enterprise vs the DS9 station.DS9 crew is better at subterfuge but I think TNG would be able to successfully neutralize it.
Odo would solo all the crews
>>219772872Spock for sure knows some anti-robot Vulcan Five Finger Death Punch™Even if he doesn't he would invent one using Vulcan Logic.
>>219778952Archer is lowkey the best captain. He's chronologically the first, the guy out there making the mistakes so that Starfleet will later know how to approach things.Archer is also the one who gets his ideals forged in the fires of early exploration, in a way other captains don't. He starts out thinking there should be no weapons on Starfleet ships because they are to be peaceful explorers, and by the end of the third season he openly admits that was fucking retardedly naive, he should have had every gun he could fit, AND he was conducting space piracy to steal warp cores for the greater good. And he still comes out of it all with the decision that the Federation should be created and united. Neither cynic nor stupidly idealistic, but "idealistically realistic" and a balance.
>>219769425She's badly written which makes her character seem inconsistent.An honest shame, VOY may be the most "missed potential" show in all of /tv/, it certainly is in all of Star Trek.
>>219782883I know they had buried the hatchet on this, but Mulgrew hated that they had brought Jeri Ryan aboard for sex appeal, and yet Janeway's almost maternal interactions with Seven helped both characters along.
>>219769425It's not a meme at all. She is written extremely inconsistently between episodes and her interpretations of starfleet morals and the prime directive flipflop all across the board. It makes her seem genuinely schizophrenic though the reality is just too many writers and script ideas not checking their work.
>>219783287Considering they are lost on the opposite side of the galaxy on an odyssey that would take decades, it makes a strange kind of sense for her adherence to Starfleet regs to wane with her sense of hope.
>>219783312>waneMaybe, but we're talking back and forth like a ping pong table.
>>219770702>tuvix>murderlol
>>219782818It's always fascinating to watch people miss the point so hard that they come out with the completely opposite conclusion to the one the narrative is clearly driving at, like the Kreiafags who think she's a takedown of Star Wars morality rather than of people who think Star Wars' morality needs to be taken down, or drooling subnormals like yourself who don't recognise Archer's detour into militarism is supposed to exemplify the fact the character is so moved by the horror of events that he's compromising his ideals and that this is a problem he needs to rectify, not something to be lauded and embraced.
reposting
>>219770702Well that's not completely true.There was really no justification for Picard murdering his time double.Despite being an "enlightened", nonreligious future, the whole of Trek seems to display a continual abhorrence for any form of life outside some arbitrary "natural order", like merged consciousnesses, clones, temporal duplicates, and ghosts.
>>219768557I think we all know the answer to that one, OP.
>>219784255Last night I had the strangest dream. I sailed away to China in a little rowboat to findja and you said you had to get your laundry clean. Didn't want no-one to hold you, what does that mean?
if they are all on an equally capable ship with their respective crews its between janeway and sisko
>>219769425Janeway is fine
>>219768557What a dumb fucking thread.There's hundreds of years difference between enterprise, TOS and TNG/DS9/Voyager era. And Sisko commands a space station.
>>219786783And yet you were unable to answer the question. Curious!
>>219768786it's a television entertainment programme crewman
>>219769425She's not actually bloodthirsty but since her scenarios are typically born of desperation she tends to be ruthless. Sisko is the actual murderhobo schizo protag.
>>219768557>who would win in a fight?If we're talking captains, Sisko was wrestling captain at the academy so I'd put my money on him. He's also part god.If it's crew and ship combat, Picard would win, they have the best crew and armament. I guess DS9 would have more firepower because it's a space station, but the Enterprise D is could probably disable them somehow and win.
>>219787557>I guess DS9 would have more firepower because it's a space stationIts firepower is really shit actually. It's mostly defenseless and has to rely on ships guarding it.
Janeway wins, no question about it. Her ship is the fastest, has the best tech, and her crew is the most desperate.
>>219787669Which captain has the most kills?
>>219774560>writing back in TOS was more nauticalGood point. Kirk's battles even in the movies are more like submarine vs destroyer than battleships whaling away at each other like most other trek battles.
>>219790328Picard, if you count him commanding the Borg Cube at Wolf 359.
>>219790459What if we're not counting that? Who has the most kills as a Starfleet captain?
>>219768557Archer
>>219768557Basedway would obliterate them all without mercy.
>>219790266Honestly I think her crew is the most incompetent. Except for the doctor, maybe.
>>219791110Seven is also highly competent, but it's not like she got her skills from Starfleet.It does make sense though. Voyager was supposed to be a small research vessel. Not exactly a job for the best of the best. And half the crew were terrorists from the sticks. This is also true for the DS9 cast though. Starfleet didn't exactly send the A-team. It's a backwater station at the edge of Federation space for adventurers and people with dead-end careers.
